Blue Frog / Blue Security?
Kyle :o)
sent me a link to this website: http://www.bluesecurity.com Seems like a
novel idea. Just curious if anyone uses it or has any knowledge besides the
little I've found online.
--
Kyle :o)
Reply address is fake. Don't ask for the real one, a troll named Lookout
sent enough spam and viruses that I shut it down.
Mara
wrote:
>Anybody use a program/system called Blue Frog and Blue Security? A friend
>sent me a link to this website: http://www.bluesecurity.com Seems like a
>novel idea. Just curious if anyone uses it or has any knowledge besides the
>little I've found online.
They spam.
http://makeashorterlink.com/?M22423DEC
Also see:
http://makeashorterlink.com/?I34425DEC
and this nanae thread:
http://makeashorterlink.com/?E65442DEC
"Just say NO. And tell your friend that, too."
--
Personally, I've removed Kadaitcha from my systems with a very simple rule:
gits aren't allowed to peer with us. --MD, nanae
Mike Easter
> Anybody use a program/system called Blue Frog and Blue Security? A
> friend sent me a link to this website: http://www.bluesecurity.com
> Seems like a novel idea. Just curious if anyone uses it or has any
> knowledge besides the little I've found online.
Bad idea. Bad premise. Bad execution. I don't trust its integrity and
I don't trust its methodology. There are better ways to report spam.
Snurled googleup of 34 message thread http://snipurl.com/ov86 starting
at
Newsgroups: alt.spam
Subject: Blue Frog
Date: Tue, 07 Mar 2006 17:43:37 +0800
Message-ID: <f8lq02hgm5v7moqaa...@4ax.com>
From one of my posts to that thread:
Blue Security tells lies in its faq^0:
- you will be protected from spam
- spammers maximize their profits by cleansing their lists
Blue Security steals its name from a registered^1 safe and lock company
in La Jolla, CA
Blue Security steals its Blue Poison Dart Frog (Dendrobates azureus)
logo from Azureus^2 the BitTorrent app outfit.
BlueFrog users report^3 to the BS forum about their spam increasing
misfortunes since participating -- Dino Rubio, spiderdeet, whitehorse
Blue Security is simply a profit oriented venture promoted by direct
marketers and affiliates with the same shabby business practices as
spammers and other direct marketers.
^2 http://azureus.sourceforge.net/ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Azureus
^1 http://kepler.ss.ca.gov/corpdata/ShowAllList?QueryCorpNumber=C1906836
^0 http://www.bluesecurity.com/blue-frog/products/faq.asp
^3
http://community.bluesecurity.com/webx?1...@433.5hosaPQdhwZ.0@.3c4a0b9a/0
--
Mike Easter
Kyle :o)
Easter <Mi...@ster.invalid> first attempted to communicate with pen, but the
writing was small, so next used sidewalk chalk, but the rain washed it away,
and then switched to spray paint and stencils but the cans exploded, so
placed fingers to keyboard for this:
>
> Bad idea. Bad premise. Bad execution. I don't trust its integrity
> and I don't trust its methodology. There are better ways to report
> spam.
Okay so now my friend is panicked and asked me what to do since she gave
away 3 of her e-mail addresses to them. I told her remove the program.
Anything else she can do?
Mara
wrote:
>In news:44372293$0$15990$892e...@authen.yellow.readfreenews.net, Mike
After she removes the program, she should probably drop/cancel those addresses
and get new ones.
"Better that, than what's probably headed her way."
Kyle :o)
<g...@awaynow.becauseIsaidso.com> first attempted to communicate with pen, but
away, and then switched to spray paint and stencils but the cans exploded,
so placed fingers to keyboard for this:
>
> addresses and get new ones.
>
> "Better that, than what's probably headed her way."
Yea I said the same thing. She tried to find a way to opt out of their
program but no luck. They allow you in, but won't let you out. I told her
to keep tabs on the spam and report anything marked bluesecurity as spam and
report it to her ISP since she gave out her ISP-based e-mail.
Thanks everyone. Close call for me. Not so lucky for my friend :(
Mara
wrote:
>In news:sk9e32tnoln0tjtq4...@4ax.com, Mara
Ask her to call her ISP. It's usually standard that you get more than one
address from your host. Mine gives three free e-mail addresses, for example.
Even if all the addresses she gave them were ISP-based e-mail and she doesn't
have any more coming, she should call them anyway. They can still give her
another one, the charge would be small, and it would be well worth it. It's a
lot easier solution than having to deal with a buttload of crap. And after she
does that, tell her that if she *ever* needs to register anywhere else online
for a program or whatever, so set up a drop box someplace where it can be
terminated immediately after she gets the info she needs. She uses the box, then
closes that account.
"A caution a day keeps the spammers away."
>
>Thanks everyone. Close call for me. Not so lucky for my friend :(
>
--
qar...@gmail.com
Blue Security is a legit business. They have very reputable investor
and a solid management team. They even got Prof. Swire, Clinton's
administration chief privacy advisor on their board. See
http://biz.yahoo.com/bw/060308/20060308005501.html?.v=1 for more
details.
Blue Frog seems to be impacting spammers. Brian McWilliams, a well
known reporter covering the spam world for several years, has recently
reported that a leading spam sending software now complied with Blue
Security's "do-not-spam" registry . See
http://spamkings.oreilly.com/archives/2006/03/spamware_vendor_1.html
Because Blue Security takes a very aggressive approach to spam, some
spammers really hate it, and do their best to harm their reputation.
You seemed to fall victim to one of those spammers in this forum. If
you want to see more examples, see "Spammers get mad" here
http://community.bluesecurity.com/webx?1...@365.qBEMa0aeiVe.1@.3c3e88bc!discloc=.3c4e726e
.
Interestingly, one of the people who answered you referred to a
well-known Joe Job carried on blue security by spammers. In case you
are not familiar with the term, a Joe Job is an incident of spamming
designed to tarnish the reputation of an innocent third party.
Blue also recently integrated its service with FireTrust's Mailwasher
(see
http://www.webhosting.info/news/1/blue-security-and-firetrust-join-forces-to-fight-spam_0406069843.htm
). Firetrust is one of the most respected anti-spam organizations in
the world. Just search Google for "anti-spam" and they come up ranked
#4. Would you think they would work with anyone as shabby as the other
posters want you to believe Blue Security is?
One last interesting thing worth mentioning in the "answers" you got.
Blue Security is headquartered in Delaware, not California. Therefore,
they did not "steal" their name from anyone in California. You can look
them us at https://sos-res.state.de.us/tin/GINameSearch.jsp
It is enough spammers fill your mailbox with lies. You don't have to
listen to their lies here as well.
Regards,
Quick Arrow.
PS You can always remove any protected email from the registry. Login
to the members' site of Blue Security, select your Protected Emails and
click "Remove Email".
Mike Easter
> Blue Security is a legit business. They have very reputable investor
> and a solid management team.
Being a profit motivated business doesn't mean that they should be
trusted or that anyone should invest an email address with them.
> Brian McWilliams, a well
> known reporter covering the spam world for several years, has recently
> reported that a leading spam sending software now complied with Blue
> Security's "do-not-spam" registry .
Brian McWilliams' article is about the bulk mailing software Send-Safe.
Bulkmailers are used by spammers and other bulk email marketers. Some
bulk emailers remove or listwash and some do not.
The direct marketers would like for everyone to believe in remove
process. Some direct marketers don't email anyone who asks to be
removed. Some spamming direct marketers don't pay any attention to
removes. Some spammers use remove requests to put those addresses on
other lists and keep the addresses on some lists. Trusting direct
marketers and cohorts of direct markers such as Blue Security is putting
your trust in the wrong people.
Brian McWilliams' closing words in the article are:
"On the other hand, I doubt this integration will do much to improve
Blue Security's standing among some leading anti-spammers. The whole
notion of remove lists is anathema to ardent supporters of opt-in email.
Blue Security, they might argue, is ultimately just providing a free
list-washing service to spammers."
http://spamkings.oreilly.com/archives/2006/03/spamware_vendor_1.html
> Blue also recently integrated its service with FireTrust's Mailwasher
FireTrust's MW is notorious for telling lies to its users by encouraging
abusive bogus bouncing to aid those bulkmailers who are listwashers.
The genuine users of MW know enough to ignore the recommendations of the
developers of MW and properly turn off the bogus bouncing feature in
spite of the lies and abusive default configuration of MW out of the
box.
There are all kinds of spammers, which include listwashing spammers and
others who do all kinds of nefarious dealmaking with lists. Blue
Security is involving itself with the motley crowd of spammers who
listwash, spammers who don't listwash, and spammers who buy and sell
lists of antispammers and listwashees and spammers who spam listwashees
as well as antispammers and non-listwashed.
--
Mike Easter
qar...@gmail.com
Those of us living in the United States do not enjoy an "opt-in email".
As you know, the CAN-SPAM Act allows anybody to send spam as long as
they respect "opt-out" requests. Blue automates exercising one's
"opt-out" right. This is right and proper (and already works to some
extent).
If you don't like the law, then start a movement to change the law. It
will be really good if you succeed. In the mean while, please don't
harm the efforts of 350,000 people to use the law to stop spam.
Regards,
Quick Arrow.
Mike Easter
> Blue automates exercising
> one's "opt-out" right. This is right and proper (and already works to
> some extent).
It is interesting that you say that. Blue Security, or BS for short,
believes that the spam you receive which is CANSPAM compliant is not
actually spam.
From the BS faq: http://www.bluesecurity.com/blue-frog/products/faq.asp
^1 What does Blue specifically consider to be spam?
BS believes that Blue Frog users should accept unsolicited mail if it
is compliant with the US CANSPAM act, so presumably they would ask their
direct marketing friends to remove the bluefroggers from the
noncompliant lists while moving them to CANSPAM compliant lists.
And, the spamvertisers who are inclined to listwash or listswap or
listmove can do so, while the spamvertisers who are not inclined to wash
will not do so.
So, then bluefroggers will be moved from some lists to others. The net
effect of being a bluefrogger will be to profit BS and get more spam and
get moved around on spamvertiser lists -- since it is spamvertisers that
BS commiserates with and cooperates with and bargains with and
apparently provides bluefrogger addresses to .
^1 All unsolicited illegal messages under the CANSPAM Act of 2003,
including messages
Sent to a harvested address
Sent via a zombie
With false or misleading header information
With deceptive subject lines
Without an opt-out mechanism
--
Mike Easter
qar...@gmail.com
you read their FAQ, you know they do not charge spammers anything to be
compliant.
Blue plans to make money by selling a corporate membership in the "do
not spam" registry to companies. If the registry does not work, then
Blue has no business. Therefore, it is in Blue's best interest to
reduce spam to people registered.
And why do you think Blue has any friends in the spammer world? All
spammers hate them. When a spammer gets tons "opt-out" requests from
the Blue community, his web site is busy handling those requests. In
the meanwhile, he is not making any money from his victims. This
doesn't sound like a very "friendly" approach to me.
Don't you think you should be more careful with your words? Don't you
think making wild accusations is bad for your reputation? Perhaps Blue
does not work. I am not sure either. But saying they are cheating their
users and work with criminals is taking it a bit too far.
Or perhaps what you meant to say is "The net effect of listening to
Mike Easter will be to profit Mike Easter and get more spam -- since it
is spamvertisers that Mike Easter commiserates with and cooperates with
and bargains with and apparently provides addresses to"
Mara
On 8 Apr 2006 09:18:58 -0700, qar...@gmail.com wrote:
>Kyle,
>
>Blue Security is a legit business. They have very reputable investor
>and a solid management team. They even got Prof. Swire, Clinton's
>administration chief privacy advisor on their board.
Oh, BOY. Does *that ever inspire "confidence."
>Blue Frog seems to be impacting spammers. Brian McWilliams, a well
>known
liar, is what he is.
http://makeashorterlink.com/?O1CD12DEC
>Because Blue Security takes a very aggressive approach to spam, some
>spammers really hate it, and do their best to harm their reputation.
>You seemed to fall victim to one of those spammers in this forum. If
>you want to see more examples, see "Spammers get mad" here
On their own website. Who'da thunk it. Duh.
>Blue also recently integrated its service with FireTrust's Mailwasher
0+0=0.
http://makeashorterlink.com/?Q5DD13DEC
>). Firetrust is
http://www.rhyolite.com/anti-spam/you-might-be.html
>It is enough spammers fill your mailbox with lies. You don't have to
>listen to their lies here as well.
The get the hell out of 24HSHD, Google-groups user. If it was so good, why are
you hiding behind google groups , luser?
I'll ask you the same thing Michael Greb did:
"What is your possition at "Blue Security"? How are you paid? By the
post? By the thread?"
It didn't work in alt.spam, and if there's any intelligence left in 24HSHD, it
won't work here, either.
Thread here:
http://makeashorterlink.com/?K20E22DEC
"Christ, it's like shooting fish in a barrel."
dail...@yahoo.com
I cynically installed Blue Frog about a month ago and I have noticed a
sharp 90%+ drop in spam to my POP addresses since then.
I only get 2 or 3 out of 10 or 20 before BF. I find myself thinking
that there is something wrong. Oh no! Where is my daily spam? I feel
the urge to press the delete key for no reason.
Besides the spam lists, what else is there? I can not trust them to
handle every one of my incoming business emails. If I can join a
quarter million people to slap around a spammer, that, in itself, is a
pleasure.
JD
Mara
>I could be hopelessly naive,
No, just a newbie. And a cluebie. Maybe. Let's see:
Last post to this thread before you showed up was April 8;
You show up in here now, April 25, touting Blue Frog as the bestest ever FUSSP;
You're posting from google groups;
Google shows you as having made a whopping total of three posts to usenet, each
touting Blue Frog, with this nic/address, and a sum total of 34 posts under your
actual name (if that's in fact what it is.)
http://www.rhyolite.com/anti-spam/you-might-be.html
http://www.claws-and-paws.com/fussp.html
http://makeashorterlink.com/?W2375240D
http://makeashorterlink.com/?Q2475240D
http://makeashorterlink.com/?C6572640D
Want more? I've got LOTS. So does google. :)
"If the shill/sock fits, wear it. Blue Frog is *abuse.*"
--
<AB> . o O (Years from now, when the aliens are sifting through our
fossilized remnants, they're going to come to one inescapable
conclusion)
<AB> . o O (The Earth was populated by dorks.)
Whiskers
> On 25 Apr 2006 11:45:04 -0700, dail...@yahoo.com wrote:
>
>>I could be hopelessly naive,
>
> No, just a newbie. And a cluebie. Maybe. Let's see:
snip
Henceforth let us refer to 'dead amphibians' in this context rather than
add to the exposure of commercial products ;))
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-- Whiskers
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