gangle was NETCOPPED!!!!!!!!!
cat daddy
A person or persons posting in this newsgroup has NETCOPPED gangle and
had his Giganews account put on hold for posting "off-topic".
THIS IS ABSURD; a more grievous injury and ABUSE than *any* in the recent
discussions. This group is un-chartered and un-moderated and NOTHING is
off-topic here.
This FRIVOLOUS complaint by COWARDS must not be allowed to stand or ALL
in this newsgroup are at risk from these 'NET ABUSERS.
This has happened before and gangle was cleared and his account
re-instated.
Please address your complaints of this VIOLATION of gangle's rights to the
following:
Tim Yaeger tya...@staff.texas.net tr...@staff.texas.net
,ab...@giganews.com, and sup...@giganews.com :
Please include that the 'Net abusers who filed this frivolous complaint be
reported to *their* ISP for disciplinary action.
Thanks!
chuckie
what are the other ones? I hesitate to send to someone unless I know who or
what they are...please illuminate me...TIA...
--
Chuckie wonders...
If wishes were horses, then all
men would ride...
If wishes were bulls, then we'd
all be knee deep in it, instead of
passing it around...wouldn't we???
cat daddy <furball@.myhouse.com> wrote in message
news:Jh8N3.6$h93....@news3.giganews.com...
@hotnospammail.com Miggsee
Miggsee
@hotnospammail.com Miggsee
HTH,
Miggsee
chuckie <chu...@email.com> wrote in message
news:s0a5u5...@corp.supernews.com...
| My two cents: email sent to giganews on gangle's behalf. Hope it helps,
| what are the other ones? I hesitate to send to someone unless I know who
or
| what they are...please illuminate me...TIA...
|
| --
| Chuckie wonders...
| If wishes were horses, then all
| men would ride...
| If wishes were bulls, then we'd
| all be knee deep in it, instead of
| passing it around...wouldn't we???
cblack
posted it to the group as well -
This thread popped up here soon after I posted, otherwise I would not have
repeated the thread.
This is getting pretty lame....it never ceases to amaze me how some people
can be so self-righteous, and never once consider their own feet of clay.
To the individual responsible for this report: Because of your action in
this matter, I have lost all the tremendous respect I once held for you.
You asked recently "You have no idea who I am do you"? The answer, sad to
say is, yes - and now I know what you are too.
Carol
Amber
Do you have proof on who was responsible?
cblack wrote in message ...
Claybraker
the zone wrote in message ...
:I would also fault Giganews for this. It seems that they should
:investigate the matter FIRST before even considering putting his
:account on hold. That way they would be able to realize that the
:complaint is without merit, and he would never have had the
:inconvenience of having his account suspended in the first place.
:
:This also just goes to show how much of a problem there is with "rogue
:netcopping." I think that all of these rogue netcops out there are a
:much worse problem than the so-called abuse that they are supposed to
:be complaining about.
:
I think you just made Oxford's point in spades. IIRC, this recent pissing
contest started when cat daddy net copped someone for posting a link to an ATSR
type discussion board. It was a single post, to this group only. Cat daddy
crowed about netcopping the site and getting it taken down. It seems cat daddy
decided it was *off topic* for this group. He, and Henrietta, and Maryanne Kehoe
(Olive Loaf) have decided what is permitted on any given newsgroup. The rest of
us are only allowed access to this medium at their pleasure.
cat daddy
allied yourself with and shares your opinions on postings here.
Wake up, man! You are playing both sides of the fence. The persons who
'Netcopped gangle was *not* the people you so readily accuse of Spamcopping.
What have *you* done to correct this injustice? I dare say your opinions
have helped provoke this incident. Take some responsibility and do something
about it.
the zone wrote in message ...
>I would also fault Giganews for this. It seems that they should
>investigate the matter FIRST before even considering putting his
>account on hold. That way they would be able to realize that the
>complaint is without merit, and he would never have had the
>inconvenience of having his account suspended in the first place.
>
>This also just goes to show how much of a problem there is with "rogue
>netcopping." I think that all of these rogue netcops out there are a
>much worse problem than the so-called abuse that they are supposed to
>be complaining about.
>
>On Wed, 13 Oct 1999 18:08:07 -0500, "cat daddy" <furball@.myhouse.com>
>decided to intimate:
cat daddy
site here. His provider determined it was indeed a TOS violation.
What *you* read into it is your problem.
Claybraker wrote in message ...
>
>the zone wrote in message ...
>:I would also fault Giganews for this. It seems that they should
>:investigate the matter FIRST before even considering putting his
>:account on hold. That way they would be able to realize that the
>:complaint is without merit, and he would never have had the
>:inconvenience of having his account suspended in the first place.
>:
>:This also just goes to show how much of a problem there is with "rogue
>:netcopping." I think that all of these rogue netcops out there are a
>:much worse problem than the so-called abuse that they are supposed to
>:be complaining about.
someone
abuse for every little thing this is bound to happen... Sorry though.
Juan Perez
--
Juan
Miggsee <miggsee @ hot no spam mail. com> wrote in message
news:9B8N3.686$9%5.1...@dfw-read.news.verio.net...
> 4 mails sent
> Miggsee
> cat daddy <furball@.myhouse.com> wrote in message
> news:Jh8N3.6$h93....@news3.giganews.com...
> | To the Group:
> | A person or persons posting in this newsgroup has NETCOPPED
gangle and
> | had his Giganews account put on hold for posting "off-topic".
cat daddy
But, ponder this and see who might have an *agenda* against gangle.
Oxford Systems wrote in message <7u1omp$hhg$1...@nntp3.atl.mindspring.net>...
<snip>
>If you want to quibble with the technical advice I give on this group feel
>free to do so. After all, technical advice is this groups reason for being.
>Not net copping. Not mustard and tractors. Not musical interludes. They are
>all as off topic as any spam and are really no more than spam themselves.
>They just aren't commercial spam.
>
>See the point? See the agenda?
>
>
Amber wrote in message ...
Claybraker
infraction, without doing any research. Abuse Admins are very busy, and don't
have the time to check out every complaint. Often, they'll pull the plug on an
account with only one report. It's up to those who make the complaints to do a
little research, get their facts straight first, before doing a netcop. There is
nothing wrong with reporting spam, I do it all the time, but it's a real good
idea to do a little research, and use a little judgement before you fire off
that report. Again, I've gotta put in a plug for Jeremy's search engine at
http://www.exit109.com/~jeremy/news/deja.html
What you did was no different than whomever netcopped gangle. Hypocrite.
cat daddy wrote in message <1naN3.326$7I4....@news5.giganews.com>...
: I asked this individual's provider to *warn* him that he was Spamming his
:>
:>
:>
:
:
Karla Lucas
Karla
cat daddy wrote:
>
> To the Group:
> A person or persons posting in this newsgroup has NETCOPPED gangle and
> had his Giganews account put on hold for posting "off-topic".
> THIS IS ABSURD; a more grievous injury and ABUSE than *any* in the recent
> discussions. This group is un-chartered and un-moderated and NOTHING is
> off-topic here.
> snipped>
cat daddy
this one. I am sorry. But, it is not the same as 'copping gangle and you
know it.
I will use your link in the future. But, my crimes as a Spamcop, forger,
USENET God, and poet who is fucking insane have NOTHING to do with this
situation.
Unless of course you are providing an excuse and defense for Oxford
Systems behaviour in this NG.
Claybraker
is or is not on topic here. If he netcopped gangle, post proof, and I'll be the
first to flame his ass royally. Or STFU. Baseless conjecture only obfuscates the
issue. Right now, your credibility is on a par with "I did not have sex with
that woman." You've admitted to netcopping for one post, that *you* considered
off topic. Hypocrite.
cat daddy wrote in message <6HaN3.339$7I4....@news5.giganews.com>...
: Only gangle can provide proof if Giganews provides him with it.
:>
:>
:>
:
:
@hotnospammail.com Miggsee
Juan Perez <juan234@ spamrot.nn.com> wrote in message
news:ZAaN3.529$zz....@newsfeed.slurp.net...
| Four mails sent on behalf of gangle's reinstatement.
| --
| Juan
|
| Miggsee <miggsee @ hot no spam mail. com> wrote in message
| news:9B8N3.686$9%5.1...@dfw-read.news.verio.net...
| > 4 mails sent
| > Miggsee
| > cat daddy <furball@.myhouse.com> wrote in message
| > news:Jh8N3.6$h93....@news3.giganews.com...
| > | A person or persons posting in this newsgroup has NETCOPPED
| gangle and
| > | had his Giganews account put on hold for posting "off-topic".
| > | THIS IS ABSURD; a more grievous injury and ABUSE than *any*
| in the
| > recent
| > | discussions. This group is un-chartered and un-moderated and
| NOTHING is
| > | off-topic here.
cat daddy
I cannot help you. So, I'm a hypocrite by your definition. Fine.
"Baseless" conjecture?? I suppose it *could* have been a random unknown
assailant. Never really is though.
But, don't let me keep you from your other stalking activities.
Claybraker wrote in message ...
>Nope, I don't see it. Oxford's point is that *no one* has the right to say
what
>is or is not on topic here. If he netcopped gangle, post proof, and I'll be
the
>first to flame his ass royally. Or STFU. Baseless conjecture only
obfuscates the
>issue. Right now, your credibility is on a par with "I did not have sex
with
>that woman." You've admitted to netcopping for one post, that *you*
considered
>off topic. Hypocrite.
>
>cat daddy wrote in message <6HaN3.339$7I4....@news5.giganews.com>...
>: Only gangle can provide proof if Giganews provides him with it.
<snip>
Sausage Noes
the service providers to not request an explanation for non-EMP posts as
well. I sent mail to the addresses you provided from my admin account (just
in case it might help). Hope the vindictive bastard (whomever it is) gets
his due. I'd love to know for sure who it was.
--
Bobby Allen
Spam away. If you NEED my 'real' addy, ask.
Insurance costs should be raised for low-performance drivers, not
high-performance cars.
Sausage Noes
quite his style. I just don't (want to) see that kind of vindictiveness in
OS. There's a line between Usenet & RL, and I believe he sees it.
--
Bobby Allen
Spam away. If you NEED my 'real' addy, ask.
Insurance costs should be raised for low-performance drivers, not
high-performance cars.
dollface <doll...@mailandnews.com> wrote in message
news:8E5EECFE2dollf...@207.150.72.26...
> Except him. He wants everyone to adhere to his rules. It
> ain't gonna happen.
>
> Claybraker felt the need to share:
>
> >Oxford's point is that *no one* has the right to say what is
> >or is not on topic here.
>
>
> --
> Smith and Wesson: The original point-and-click interface.
PJ
Dollface's post.)
Oxford is the one trying to control this group, to set the rules.
Open your eyes!!!! No one has that right... least of all someone
with an attitude and ego like his!
PJ
--
Push me, I'll excel...
push me too far and I'll knock you on your *.
dollface wrote in message
<8E5EECFE2dollf...@207.150.72.26>...
:Except him. He wants everyone to adhere to his rules. It
cat daddy
visited his site and it was full of banner ads. Not really non-commercial,
and I vaguely recall he had stuff for sale. I didn't try to see if the help
was free with no strings attached.
I don't use SpamCop in these instances even if I bother with them. My
standard message is, " Please inform your user to not post this to USENET".
Kind of wussy sounding..........
But, if we can call a truce over this particular issue, I am willing.
Claybraker wrote in message ...
>Otay, admitting you might have screwed up goes a long way towards defusing
this
>situation. Bob knows I've fscked up more than my fair share. I won't
condone all
>of Oxford's posts, but I won't condemn them either. First Amendment, Free
Speech
>and all that stuff. Us Libertarians are big on that.
>
>cat daddy wrote in message ...
>: I do a Deja search on most questionable SPAMMERS. Maybe I fsucked up on
>:this one. I am sorry. But, it is not the same as 'copping gangle and you
>:know it.
>: I will use your link in the future. But, my crimes as a Spamcop,
forger,
>:USENET God, and poet who is fucking insane have NOTHING to do with this
>:situation.
>:
>: Unless of course you are providing an excuse and defense for Oxford
>:Systems behaviour in this NG.
>:
>:Claybraker wrote in message ...
>:>That excuse don't cut it, cat daddy. You netcopped someone for a single
>:>infraction, without doing any research. Abuse Admins are very busy, and
>:don't
>:>have the time to check out every complaint. Often, they'll pull the plug
on
>:an
>:>account with only one report. It's up to those who make the complaints to
>:do a
>:>little research, get their facts straight first, before doing a netcop.
>:There is
>:>nothing wrong with reporting spam, I do it all the time, but it's a real
>:good
>:>idea to do a little research, and use a little judgement before you fire
>:off
>:>that report. Again, I've gotta put in a plug for Jeremy's search engine
at
>:>http://www.exit109.com/~jeremy/news/deja.html
>:>
>:>What you did was no different than whomever netcopped gangle. Hypocrite.
>:>
>:>cat daddy wrote in message <1naN3.326$7I4....@news5.giganews.com>...
>:>: I asked this individual's provider to *warn* him that he was Spamming
>:his
>:>:site here. His provider determined it was indeed a TOS violation.
>:>:
>:>:What *you* read into it is your problem.
>:>:
>:>:Claybraker wrote in message ...
><snip>
>
>
CanadianMolson
pulled this one. 4 emails sent.
craz...@my-deja.com
mustard, to avenge him self in not time..
Carlo Razzeto
In article <Jh8N3.6$h93....@news3.giganews.com>,
"cat daddy" <furball@.myhouse.com> wrote:
> To the Group:
> A person or persons posting in this newsgroup has NETCOPPED gangle
and
> had his Giganews account put on hold for posting "off-topic".
> THIS IS ABSURD; a more grievous injury and ABUSE than *any* in the
recent
> discussions. This group is un-chartered and un-moderated and NOTHING
is
> off-topic here.
> This FRIVOLOUS complaint by COWARDS must not be allowed to stand or
ALL
> in this newsgroup are at risk from these 'NET ABUSERS.
> This has happened before and gangle was cleared and his account
> re-instated.
>
> Please address your complaints of this VIOLATION of gangle's rights to
the
> following:
>
> Tim Yaeger tya...@staff.texas.net tr...@staff.texas.net
> ,ab...@giganews.com, and sup...@giganews.com :
>
> Please include that the 'Net abusers who filed this frivolous
complaint be
> reported to *their* ISP for disciplinary action.
>
> Thanks!
>
>
Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
Before you buy.
dollface
Claybraker
dollface
if that's how you'd define one. His posts indicate that he is
totally against free speech...except when it comes to his own.
Claybraker felt the need to share:
>Otay, admitting you might have screwed up goes a long way
>towards defusing this situation. Bob knows I've fscked up
>more than my fair share. I won't condone all of
>posts, but I won't condemn them either. First Amendment, Free
>Speech and all that stuff. Us Libertarians are big on that.
^v^ batgirl ^v^
that off my chest. Letters sent; fingers crossed.
--
'The problem with the gene pool is that there's no lifeguard'
~~~
'cut the crap' to reply by mail (if you must)
--
cat daddy wrote in message ...
>To the Group:
> A person or persons posting in this newsgroup has NETCOPPED gangle and
>had his Giganews account put on hold for posting "off-topic".
<.......>
NightStrike
It's be bad to anger the abuse dept.
On Thu, 14 Oct 1999 00:34:53 GMT, "CanadianMolson"
<Don't_Spam_Can...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>What a fu***ing joke. I'd like to meet the little punk that
>pulled this one. 4 emails sent.
<snip>
CanadianMolson
outburst people, the whole thing just ticked me off.
NightStrike <night...@nospamhome.com> wrote in message
news:a10FONHtvyc0Fk...@4ax.com...
JohnK
John
> A person or persons posting in this newsgroup has NETCOPPED gangle and
> had his Giganews account put on hold for posting "off-topic".
someone
What have I got. BULLSHIT>
> ain't gonna happen.
>
>
> >or is not on topic here.
>
>
someone
> >: I asked this individual's provider to *warn* him that he was Spamming
> his
> >:site here. His provider determined it was indeed a TOS violation.
> >:
> >:What *you* read into it is your problem.
> >:
> >:Claybraker wrote in message ...
someone
JohnK <jo...@nospamkitson.karoo.co.uk> wrote in message
news:7u3nl7$lac$1...@newsreader3.core.theplanet.net...
> All 4 emailed.
> John
> cat daddy <furball@.myhouse.com> wrote in message
PuppyKatt
--
If at first you don't succeed...blame someone else and seek counselling.
**************************************************************************
cat daddy wrote in message ...
Karla Lucas
starts posting again soon! :-)
Karla
CanadianMolson
mouth.
someone <sh...@owc.net> wrote in message
news:yydN3.1170$Jd2....@ord-read.news.verio.net...
PuppyKatt
well-respected poster in the 24hoursupport.helpdesk newsgroup has been
temporarily suspended for posting off-topic matters here. I have no idea
who made this abuse report, but I would like to inform you that it is
completely unfounded.
24hoursupport.helpdesk is an unmoderated, uncensored newsgroup
consisting of people frome around the world. Contrary to popular belief,
our support is not limited to computer hardware and software problems,
althoug more that two-thirds of the posts are, indeed, computer-related.
We offer all kinds of support here, including moral and emotional.
We do not allow binaries or spam here, because it is both contrary to usenet
policy, ISP policies, and because there are plenty of newsgroups dedicated
to advertising, that we don't need any Get Rich Quick postings here, which
is the composition of the majority of the spam that hits this group.
Some of us post jokes, some refer others to various web sites, and
some of us even call each other long distance to chat, even though very few
of us have even met. We all have our off-moments, and the rest of us offer
support to whomever is having a rough time. Sometimes listening to soft
music from your computer while reading mail or news, or while web-surfing is
more comfortable, and healthier, than drinking, etc. Gangle has never, to
my knowledge, posted music, pictures, or any other forms of binaries on this
newsgroup. He posts this stuff in the appropriate binary groups, and then
composes a post to the 24hoursupport.helpdesk to tell anyone who is
interested what he has posted, and where to find it. He munges his e-mail
address, and has never asked anyone here for theirs, and he has never asked
for payment for his time and efforts.
Please reconsider your decision and activate gangle's account as soon
as possible. Also, because I do not know who reported this malicious abuse
report, I cannot contact their ISP to report them for abuse, which he/she is
clearly guilty of. Therefore, I trust you to contact this person's ISP, wit
a copy of the abuse report he/she sent you, and any/all letters to you in
support of gangle. Clearly, the wrong account has been cancelled.
Yours very sincerely, <puppykatt>
--
If at first you don't succeed...blame someone else and seek counselling.
**************************************************************************
cat daddy wrote in message ...
>To the Group:
> A person or persons posting in this newsgroup has NETCOPPED gangle and
>had his Giganews account put on hold for posting "off-topic". <snip>
-= Hawk =-
>ADHERE. These are the rules you make. I came to this newsgroup to learn.
>What have I got. BULLSHIT>
Certainly not a clue... Buy a book, RTFM, Click "HELP" if you want to learn
something.
--
In my dreams the world is black
and blood clots in pools around
the corpses that litter the street
and little children with knives
lie in wait outside your door.
someone
> A person or persons posting in this newsgroup has NETCOPPED gangle and
> had his Giganews account put on hold for posting "off-topic".
Oxford Systems
cat daddy <furball@.myhouse.com> wrote in message
news:Jh8N3.6$h93....@news3.giganews.com...
> To the Group:
> A person or persons posting in this newsgroup has NETCOPPED gangle and
> had his Giganews account put on hold for posting "off-topic".
Well, hmmm....since you are such a wannabe netcop, perhaps YOU did it to try
and start something. Would be in keeping with your character.
> THIS IS ABSURD; a more grievous injury and ABUSE than *any* in the
recent
> discussions. This group is un-chartered and un-moderated and NOTHING is
> off-topic here.
Remember those words the next time you get all high and mighty and fire off
an abuse complaint.
> This FRIVOLOUS complaint by COWARDS must not be allowed to stand or ALL
> in this newsgroup are at risk from these 'NET ABUSERS.
Own up to it then.
> This has happened before and gangle was cleared and his account
> re-instated.
It happened before? How many time are you gonna netcop Gangle?
>
> Please address your complaints of this VIOLATION of gangle's rights to the
> following:
>
> Tim Yaeger tya...@staff.texas.net tr...@staff.texas.net
> ,ab...@giganews.com, and sup...@giganews.com :
>
> Please include that the 'Net abusers who filed this frivolous complaint be
> reported to *their* ISP for disciplinary action.
How nice!!! You get to "netcop" and it's fine. Your defense is that the
"news servers and ISP's make the decision, not me". Hmmm...I smell hypocrisy
here.
Oxford Systems
actions with "I only make the complaint. It is up to the ISP or news service
to decide whether to do anything".
As is often the case, ISP's and news services do not really investigate.
They do not really have the time. The expedient thing to do for many of them
is to simply shut down the account.
This is obviously what happened here. I hope that others will see that
point.
the zone <zone...@nospam.hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:fR4FOIvflBnd9z+Cm7i5no=bX...@4ax.com...
> I would also fault Giganews for this. It seems that they should
> investigate the matter FIRST before even considering putting his
> account on hold. That way they would be able to realize that the
> complaint is without merit, and he would never have had the
> inconvenience of having his account suspended in the first place.
>
> This also just goes to show how much of a problem there is with "rogue
> netcopping." I think that all of these rogue netcops out there are a
> much worse problem than the so-called abuse that they are supposed to
> be complaining about.
>
> On Wed, 13 Oct 1999 18:08:07 -0500, "cat daddy" <furball@.myhouse.com>
> decided to intimate:
Oxford Systems
would I want to be one myself?
Oxford Systems
Claybraker <wsl...@nospambellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:IJbN3.942$w07....@news2.atl...
> Nope, I don't see it. Oxford's point is that *no one* has the right to say
what
> is or is not on topic here. If he netcopped gangle, post proof, and I'll
be the
> first to flame his ass royally. Or STFU. Baseless conjecture only
obfuscates the
> issue. Right now, your credibility is on a par with "I did not have sex
with
> that woman." You've admitted to netcopping for one post, that *you*
considered
> off topic. Hypocrite.
>
> cat daddy wrote in message <6HaN3.339$7I4....@news5.giganews.com>...
> : Only gangle can provide proof if Giganews provides him with it.
> :But, ponder this and see who might have an *agenda* against gangle.
> :
> :Oxford Systems wrote in message
<7u1omp$hhg$1...@nntp3.atl.mindspring.net>...
> :<snip>
> :>If you want to quibble with the technical advice I give on this group
feel
> :>free to do so. After all, technical advice is this groups reason for
being.
> :>Not net copping. Not mustard and tractors. Not musical interludes. They
are
> :>all as off topic as any spam and are really no more than spam
themselves.
> :>They just aren't commercial spam.
> :>
> :>See the point? See the agenda?
> :>
> :>
> :
> :
> :Amber wrote in message ...
> :>Carol,
> :>Do you have proof on who was responsible?
> :>
> :>cblack wrote in message ...
> :>>Sorry - am running hours behind on the posts here - and sent my letter
and
> :>>posted it to the group as well -
> :>>This thread popped up here soon after I posted, otherwise I would not
have
> :>>repeated the thread.
> :>>
> :>>This is getting pretty lame....it never ceases to amaze me how some
people
> :>>can be so self-righteous, and never once consider their own feet of
clay.
> :>>
> :>>To the individual responsible for this report: Because of your action
in
> :>>this matter, I have lost all the tremendous respect I once held for
you.
> :>>You asked recently "You have no idea who I am do you"? The answer, sad
to
> :>>say is, yes - and now I know what you are too.
> :>>
> :>>Carol
> :>
> :>
> :>
> :
> :
>
>
Oxford Systems
What has been the one thing I have been arguing about on this group? Come
on! Think!
Netcopping and trigger finger abuse complaints. That's it.
I don't post messages in reply to Gangles music or mustard. I don't argue
with him over these posts. (Why should I?) The point was that these posts
take up bandwidth just like any other and that was in reply to Dollfaces
argument that one reason for abuse complaints was to help people that pay
for access by the minute.
Think!
PJ <n...@blumontana.com> wrote in message
news:20cN3.1118$s12....@news.uswest.net...
> (I did not get Claybraker's post, so I am piggy backing on
> Dollface's post.)
> Oxford is the one trying to control this group, to set the rules.
> Open your eyes!!!! No one has that right... least of all someone
> with an attitude and ego like his!
> PJ
> --
> Push me, I'll excel...
> push me too far and I'll knock you on your *.
> dollface wrote in message
> <8E5EECFE2dollf...@207.150.72.26>...
> :Except him. He wants everyone to adhere to his rules. It
> :ain't gonna happen.
> :
> :Claybraker felt the need to share:
> :
> :>Oxford's point is that *no one* has the right to say what is
> :>or is not on topic here.
> :
> :
> :--
Oxford Systems
If we want to throw around wild accusations, I can join that party (and in
response to CD above did just that).
But as I have said several times, I have no problem with Gangle. Never have.
Sausage Noes <stretc...@excitespam.spamcom> wrote in message
news:N6cN3.2581$0G2.1...@typ12.nn.bcandid.com...
> Even if that's so (I feel differently), I don't think (truly hope) that's
> quite his style. I just don't (want to) see that kind of vindictiveness in
> OS. There's a line between Usenet & RL, and I believe he sees it.
> --
> Bobby Allen
> Spam away. If you NEED my 'real' addy, ask.
> Insurance costs should be raised for low-performance drivers, not
> high-performance cars.
>
> dollface <doll...@mailandnews.com> wrote in message
> news:8E5EECFE2dollf...@207.150.72.26...
Oxford Systems
What better way to churn animosity towards the person you love to hate than
to netcop Gangle and then accuse someone else?
Just as murderers usually know their victims and rapists usually know their
victims, so you know Gangle. Hmmmmm....
cat daddy <furball@.myhouse.com> wrote in message
news:sWbN3.16$h93....@news3.giganews.com...
> If you cannot understand the difference between off-topic and Spam,
then
> I cannot help you. So, I'm a hypocrite by your definition. Fine.
> "Baseless" conjecture?? I suppose it *could* have been a random unknown
> assailant. Never really is though.
> But, don't let me keep you from your other stalking activities.
>
> Claybraker wrote in message ...
> >Nope, I don't see it. Oxford's point is that *no one* has the right to
say
> what
> >is or is not on topic here. If he netcopped gangle, post proof, and I'll
be
> the
> >first to flame his ass royally. Or STFU. Baseless conjecture only
> obfuscates the
> >issue. Right now, your credibility is on a par with "I did not have sex
> with
> >that woman." You've admitted to netcopping for one post, that *you*
> considered
> >off topic. Hypocrite.
> >
> >cat daddy wrote in message <6HaN3.339$7I4....@news5.giganews.com>...
> >: Only gangle can provide proof if Giganews provides him with it.
> <snip>
>
>
Oxford Systems
>
> the zone wrote in message ...
> :investigate the matter FIRST before even considering putting his
> :account on hold. That way they would be able to realize that the
> :complaint is without merit, and he would never have had the
> :inconvenience of having his account suspended in the first place.
> :
> :This also just goes to show how much of a problem there is with "rogue
> :netcopping." I think that all of these rogue netcops out there are a
> :much worse problem than the so-called abuse that they are supposed to
> :be complaining about.
> I think you just made Oxford's point in spades. IIRC, this recent pissing
> contest started when cat daddy net copped someone for posting a link to an
ATSR
> type discussion board. It was a single post, to this group only. Cat daddy
> crowed about netcopping the site and getting it taken down. It seems cat
daddy
> decided it was *off topic* for this group. He, and Henrietta, and Maryanne
Kehoe
> (Olive Loaf) have decided what is permitted on any given newsgroup. The
rest of
> us are only allowed access to this medium at their pleasure.
Exactly!
Oxford Systems
I am not the one netcopping folks left and right. You are.
So who is for free speech and who is against it?
dollface <doll...@mailandnews.com> wrote in message
news:8E5EEA2A2dollf...@207.150.72.26...
> You just contradicted yourself. He is the anti-Libertarian,
> if that's how you'd define one. His posts indicate that he is
> totally against free speech...except when it comes to his own.
>
> Claybraker felt the need to share:
>
> >Otay, admitting you might have screwed up goes a long way
> >towards defusing this situation. Bob knows I've fscked up
> >more than my fair share. I won't condone all of
> >posts, but I won't condemn them either. First Amendment, Free
> >Speech and all that stuff. Us Libertarians are big on that.
>
>
Oxford Systems
Great way to stir up support eh? Netcop Gangle and then point a finger at
me. If I was gonna netcop someone, don't you know it would be YOU!?
cat daddy <furball@.myhouse.com> wrote in message
news:IeaN3.10$h93....@news3.giganews.com...
> Yes, and the "rogue netcop" seems to be the person you most recently
> allied yourself with and shares your opinions on postings here.
>
> Wake up, man! You are playing both sides of the fence. The persons who
> 'Netcopped gangle was *not* the people you so readily accuse of
Spamcopping.
>
> What have *you* done to correct this injustice? I dare say your
opinions
> have helped provoke this incident. Take some responsibility and do
something
> about it.
>
> the zone wrote in message ...
> >I would also fault Giganews for this. It seems that they should
> >investigate the matter FIRST before even considering putting his
> >account on hold. That way they would be able to realize that the
> >complaint is without merit, and he would never have had the
> >inconvenience of having his account suspended in the first place.
> >
> >This also just goes to show how much of a problem there is with "rogue
> >netcopping." I think that all of these rogue netcops out there are a
> >much worse problem than the so-called abuse that they are supposed to
> >be complaining about.
> >
-= Hawk =-
>Cut it out! Really???????
This remind anyone of Brad?
Claybraker
netcopped anyone for *off topic* posts. At least, I don't think so. I'll issue
the same challenge I issued to cat daddy- post proof, or STFU. All I've seen so
far is baseless conjecture, and wild-assed accusations. Post proof. If Alan
netcopped someone for off-topic posts, his credibility is toast. If you still
persist in accusing Alan of netcopping gangle, without proof, your credibility
is toast.
Post proof.
dollface wrote in message <8E5EEA2A2dollf...@207.150.72.26>...
:You just contradicted yourself. He is the anti-Libertarian,
-= Hawk =-
<oxford-...@nospam.mindspring.com> scribbled:
>Ummm....wrongo Dollface.
>
>I am not the one netcopping folks left and right. You are.
>
>
>So who is for free speech and who is against it?
I'm all for free beer... that usually leads to free, if blurry, speech.
Dust
really doesnt give a shit what others think, supports this other view. I
dont give a shit anymore what some of you think of me. Lots of posters seem
to have trouble standing on their own two feet in my observance, and need to
encourage what appears to be this wolfpack mentality and they do it
incessantly. It doesnt appear to be hidden from anyone, sept maybe from the
one who does it! Actually in comparison to the natural world its more like
Hyenas! I take special note and respect for those who absolutely dont join
in, but, as for me, I have been reading this crap and accusation all day and
dont think I would or could say I believed in "anything" if I didnt say
something. Now if I refused to have even followed it, I figure I would have
a way out, but in conscience, I dont. Tell it like it is, but dont count on
others to be coming to your aid when you are so offensive.
Dusty
Oxford Systems <oxford-...@nospam.mindspring.com> wrote in message
news:7u44pk$ehd$1...@nntp4.atl.mindspring.net...
> Actually, I think it was YOU cat daddy.
>
> What better way to churn animosity towards the person you love to hate
than
> to netcop Gangle and then accuse someone else?
>
> Just as murderers usually know their victims and rapists usually know
their
> victims, so you know Gangle. Hmmmmm....
>
>
> cat daddy <furball@.myhouse.com> wrote in message
Tom MacIntyre
wrote:
>This was my thoughts exactly. I think its about time that somebody who
>really doesnt give a shit what others think, supports this other view. I
>dont give a shit anymore what some of you think of me. Lots of posters seem
>to have trouble standing on their own two feet in my observance, and need to
>encourage what appears to be this wolfpack mentality and they do it
>incessantly. It doesnt appear to be hidden from anyone, sept maybe from the
>one who does it! Actually in comparison to the natural world its more like
>Hyenas! I take special note and respect for those who absolutely dont join
>in, but, as for me, I have been reading this crap and accusation all day and
>dont think I would or could say I believed in "anything" if I didnt say
>something. Now if I refused to have even followed it, I figure I would have
>a way out, but in conscience, I dont. Tell it like it is, but dont count on
>others to be coming to your aid when you are so offensive.
>
>Dusty
>
I post here only a little, lurk/read a lot. I don't know all the
facts/personalities, BUT...IF there isn't room on a group like this
for some humour/diversion/etc, then what's the use? Are we a stodgy
bunch of old fuddy-duddies bent on staying the true course no matter
what, or are we human beings? I've spent a lot of time on a lot of
electronics/technical/music newsgroups, and there's always room for
some humour and diversion, and there's always someone who'll gently
but firmly lead the thread back to its origin rather than go running
crying to some paper-tiger, power-tripping netcops. Hopefully this was
on-topic; like many, my work depends upon my ability to use the
internet, and I wouldn't want some malcontent messing with my
livelihood.
Tom
noonehereatall.com
OS has shown NO interest in gangle whatsoever throughout the entire
loooooooooooong flame thread here. And since the beginning his messages have
remained consistant.
I know I'm gonna get flamed for this point of view and anyone who has
watched this group for a while knows it as well.
OS has been very controlled throughout this and many other flamewars (small)
in this ng and I can hardly see him playing by cd's rules.
I don't however, think that cd is necessarily the one responsible for the
demise of gangle as he had been in verbal battle more than a few times in
the past couple of weeks.
Dust <odust...@hotmail.net> wrote in message
news:BpiN3.2787$0G2.1...@typ12.nn.bcandid.com...
> This was my thoughts exactly. I think its about time that somebody who
> really doesnt give a shit what others think, supports this other view. I
> dont give a shit anymore what some of you think of me. Lots of posters
seem
> to have trouble standing on their own two feet in my observance, and need
to
> encourage what appears to be this wolfpack mentality and they do it
> incessantly. It doesnt appear to be hidden from anyone, sept maybe from
the
> one who does it! Actually in comparison to the natural world its more
like
> Hyenas! I take special note and respect for those who absolutely dont
join
> in, but, as for me, I have been reading this crap and accusation all day
and
> dont think I would or could say I believed in "anything" if I didnt say
> something. Now if I refused to have even followed it, I figure I would
have
> a way out, but in conscience, I dont. Tell it like it is, but dont count
on
> others to be coming to your aid when you are so offensive.
>
> Dusty
>
>
>
Taroya
I keep what I want, and throw the rest away. Just like any other newsgroup.
Taroya
<eewwww...I *hate* mustard!>
someone wrote:
> ADHERE. These are the rules you make. I came to this newsgroup to learn.
> What have I got. BULLSHIT>
> dollface <doll...@mailandnews.com> wrote in message
> news:8E5EECFE2dollf...@207.150.72.26...
> > Except him. He wants everyone to adhere to his rules. It
> > ain't gonna happen.
> >
> > Claybraker felt the need to share:
> >
> > >Oxford's point is that *no one* has the right to say what is
> > >or is not on topic here.
> >
> >
PJ
make them.
PJ
--
Push me, I'll excel...
push me too far and I'll knock you on your *.
Oxford Systems wrote in message
<7u44gu$6tp$1...@nntp4.atl.mindspring.net>...
:LOL!!!! You are so far wrong it is really hard to believe.
^v^ batgirl ^v^
insinuation and 'STFU' comment really necessary? Can we at least try to
raise the bar on the level of civility this discussion is maintained at?
--
'The problem with the gene pool is that there's no lifeguard'
~~~
'cut the crap' to reply by mail (if you must)
--
Claybraker wrote in message ...
^v^ batgirl ^v^
may not be 'topical', but it won't hurt to take a quick look at someones
posting history before firing off an abuse report over what may just be
stupidity. I have a question, though, if someone had previously been TOS'ed
for spamming, wouldn't they then sign on at a different ISP with a new user
name, which would make the post appear to come from a total newbie because
there would be no history associated with the new username?? (Jeez, I'm
getting a headache!)
ps - thanx for the link; it's much faster than the search on the deja
site!
--
'The problem with the gene pool is that there's no lifeguard'
~~~
'cut the crap' to reply by mail (if you must)
--
Claybraker wrote in message ...
>That excuse don't cut it, cat daddy. You netcopped someone for a single
>infraction, without doing any research. Abuse Admins are very busy, and
don't
>have the time to check out every complaint. Often, they'll pull the plug on
an
>account with only one report. It's up to those who make the complaints to
do a
>little research, get their facts straight first, before doing a netcop.
There is
>nothing wrong with reporting spam, I do it all the time, but it's a real
good
>idea to do a little research, and use a little judgement before you fire
off
>that report. Again, I've gotta put in a plug for Jeremy's search engine at
>http://www.exit109.com/~jeremy/news/deja.html
>
>What you did was no different than whomever netcopped gangle. Hypocrite.
Dust
accusing OS.
Whats really at the root of this whole thing?. I havent even seen that
mentioned yet (for what it is).
The fact is, the off topic stuff prompted someone, or possibly several
people to make a complaint. And my point with that is.... whoever,
whichever individual, prompted it, ought to assume responsibility FOR it.
If for nothing else to put a stop to this kind of crap that ensues and
detracts from everyone that needs help on this particular day. By its
nature, whether it is defensible in any respect (the off topic stuff), the
fact still remains with what is it that initiated the whole bru ha ha.
Without it, there is nothing else.
It seems to me there are several people who read this group, who never say a
word. And I can see why. The chances of being intimidated are very high.
You see it every day. I see a propensity by a few, to project some pretty
snarly attitudes at even the slightest opportunity, even the rude sigs imply
it, toward any unknown that even dares to open their mouth for help. I
never have, personally, been one to control my tongue...even when it was
very much needed, but I did for a while here, even when in "desparate" need
for help with my computer,... before I ever asked for help here, after
seeing what I percieved as the desire for "some" to feed their egos at the
expense of the weaker, the innocent and/or the ignorant. It didnt take me
much lurking to see that, and I very nervoussly typed out that first request
and I am by no means a wallflower.
Dusty
noonehereatall.com <explosiv...@home.com> wrote in message
news:HhkN3.2195$AX.8...@news1.rdc1.ab.home.com...
> > > > Claybraker wrote in message ...
> > > > >Nope, I don't see it. Oxford's point is that *no one* has the right
> to
> > > say
> > > > what
Claybraker
what is, and is not *on topic* and who has the right to determine that, it's a
bit arrogant of me to tell anyone to STFU. I was wrong, and am willing to accept
valid contrusctive criticism. I apologize for that comment. The *Head up the
Fourth Point of Contact* was a valid point, and it remains.
^v^ batgirl ^v^ wrote in message ...
: Nothing wrong with your point, but were the 'head up the butt'
:insinuation and 'STFU' comment really necessary? Can we at least try to
:raise the bar on the level of civility this discussion is maintained at?
:
:--
:'The problem with the gene pool is that there's no lifeguard'
:~~~
:'cut the crap' to reply by mail (if you must)
:--
:Claybraker wrote in message ...
:>Nope, you've got your head up your fourth point of contact. Oxford hasn't
:
:
:
Claybraker
a posting history will show the newsgroups in alphabetical order. If there is a
vague chance the post could be on topic in the groups shown, I let it slide.
Just my opinion, but spam isn't as big a threat as the binary flooding from
those with fast uploads. news:alt.binaries.misc is a warez group these days, and
the retention on the warez groups is measured in hours for most news servers.
Connection speeds have outdistanced the storage capacity at most ISP's, it may
be a while before things catch up.
If you aren't aware of it, some of the biggest spam-cancellers on Usenet started
because of spam flooding in the binary groups, mostly the sex groups. Howard,
Rick, etc. got fed up with the porno web sites spamming groups they were
downloading pictures from.
^v^ batgirl ^v^ wrote in message ...
: Again, there _is_ a difference between a 'spam' post, and a post which
:may not be 'topical', but it won't hurt to take a quick look at someones
:posting history before firing off an abuse report over what may just be
:stupidity. I have a question, though, if someone had previously been TOS'ed
:for spamming, wouldn't they then sign on at a different ISP with a new user
:name, which would make the post appear to come from a total newbie because
:there would be no history associated with the new username?? (Jeez, I'm
:getting a headache!)
:
: ps - thanx for the link; it's much faster than the search on the deja
:site!
:
:--
:'The problem with the gene pool is that there's no lifeguard'
:~~~
:'cut the crap' to reply by mail (if you must)
:--
:Claybraker wrote in message ...
:>That excuse don't cut it, cat daddy. You netcopped someone for a single
:
:
:
Zarathustra
-- NB: u kno what 2 do 2 email me
noonehereatall.com
this whole thing has gotten out of hand from a fair bit of posting by TROLLS
and TROLL HUNTERS both. THere is obviously a very long standing battle
between OS and cd I believe that OS is willing to settle it out through
personal emails but cd is not willing to do the same.
I don't think that the one(s) responsible are going to be standup about it
as I personally believe whoever did is a TROLL and will hide in cowardice
and let the rest go to hell on their own.
If you remember when I first came in here you will realize that I am also no
wallflower, but I am rapidly becoming more cautious in my postings from
watching the responses and from getting some of the responses.
oh well if this were life it would matter but it aint so it dont.
hope to continue seeing you in here Dusty, you are wise.
Dust <odust...@hotmail.net> wrote in message
news:55oN3.3401$0G2.1...@typ12.nn.bcandid.com...
Dust
Dusty
Claybraker <wsl...@nospambellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:nGoN3.2225$fD1....@news1.atl...
> Well, the STFU was out of line. Since a lot of this conversation has to do
with
> what is, and is not *on topic* and who has the right to determine that,
it's a
> bit arrogant of me to tell anyone to STFU. I was wrong, and am willing to
accept
> valid contrusctive criticism. I apologize for that comment. The *Head up
the
> Fourth Point of Contact* was a valid point, and it remains.
>
> ^v^ batgirl ^v^ wrote in message ...
> : Nothing wrong with your point, but were the 'head up the butt'
> :insinuation and 'STFU' comment really necessary? Can we at least try to
> :raise the bar on the level of civility this discussion is maintained at?
> :
> :--
> :'The problem with the gene pool is that there's no lifeguard'
> :~~~
> :'cut the crap' to reply by mail (if you must)
> :--