how do I setup a new newsgroup ?
Maurice Byrne
Any help would be appreciated .
Mo
Dublin
Liam Flannery
"Maurice Byrne" <mau...@eircom.net> wrote in message
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jools
Maurice Byrne
people to air there views. A web site will follow very shortly. Is it easy
to setup ?
"Liam Flannery" <wood...@eircom.net> wrote in message
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Brian H
|| no seriously there is a new newsgroup I need to setup for a large
|| number of people to air there views. A web site will follow very
|| shortly. Is it easy to setup ?
sounds like you want a chat room, why not create a MSN community ?
Maurice Byrne
days. the dawn is coming ?
Cynthia Nollner
http://www.faqs.org/ and this one. http://makeashorterlink.com/?G36825201
This question has been asked forever. www.google.com
Cynthia
Rôgêr
intended subject matter is, I'm sure there's groups that already deal
with it in some way. After all, there are ~100,000 groups, give or take
a few thousand.
Danny
"-= Hawk =-" <ha...@Spam-Me-Not.cfl.rr.com> wrote in message
news:p9rvfussh1lepmf0vodsl4rtp90elurc2d@news-server...
> On Fri, 7 Jun 2002 00:09:31 +0100, "Maurice Byrne" <mau...@eircom.net>
> scribbled:
>
> >no seriously there is a new newsgroup I need to setup for a large number
of
> >people to air there views. A web site will follow very shortly. Is it
easy
> >to setup ?
>
> 1) Scattered among a myriad of groups.
> or
> 2) To move conversation from a general group that it's overwhelming.
>
> Newsgroups are NOT created for:
> 1) Web page support
> 2) The hope that someone might want to use it someday.
>
> Since you were incapable of finding the information on how to create
> a newsgroup, there's only 242,000 references to be found on Google,
> you're not ready in any way to attempt to start a new group.
Surely the point of this newsgroup is to provide help for everyone and
anyone who asks for it, as long as it's a reasonable query?
As opposed to telling them how stupid they are for not finding it elsewhere?
>
> You'll want to add a message board system to your web site.
>
Ah yes, good old ubb or cgi, or whatever myriad of message board
scripts/databases etc are available.
And you suggest the above method for someone who can't start a newsgroup?
Brian H
|| "-= Hawk =-" <ha...@Spam-Me-Not.cfl.rr.com> wrote in message
|| news:p9rvfussh1lepmf0vodsl4rtp90elurc2d@news-server...
||| On Fri, 7 Jun 2002 00:09:31 +0100, "Maurice Byrne"
||| <mau...@eircom.net> scribbled:
|||
|||| no seriously there is a new newsgroup I need to setup for a large
|||| number of people to air there views. A web site will follow very
|||| shortly. Is it easy to setup ?
|||
||| Newsgroups are created for existing interest that's either:
||| 1) Scattered among a myriad of groups.
||| or
||| 2) To move conversation from a general group that it's overwhelming.
|||
||| Newsgroups are NOT created for:
||| 1) Web page support
||| 2) The hope that someone might want to use it someday.
|||
||| Since you were incapable of finding the information on how to create
||| a newsgroup, there's only 242,000 references to be found on Google,
||| you're not ready in any way to attempt to start a new group.
||
|| Surely the point of this newsgroup is to provide help for everyone
|| and anyone who asks for it, as long as it's a reasonable query?
|| As opposed to telling them how stupid they are for not finding it
|| elsewhere?
Yes, but we all have moments when we are fed up with the same questions being
asked by people who think that a newsgroup is another form of chat room. They
can't be bothered to use the Find option to see if they can find an answer from
the thousands of previous requests. And they certainly can't be bothered to
enter some details in the Tools | Newsgroups box to see if there are any hits on
ng's that they can go visit in the category they are looking for.
The majority of people can't be bothered to learn how to use their software, or
are just too lazy to bother cos its easier to place a question here and let
someone else do the work for them.
If they don't know the basics, how can they be expected to run sites, ng's or
whatever else they have in mind to enlighten the world with.
How many people have you seen make simple requests here that dont even know what
a search engine is or how to use it?
||
|||
||| You'll want to add a message board system to your web site.
|||
||
|| Ah yes, good old ubb or cgi, or whatever myriad of message board
|| scripts/databases etc are available.
|| And you suggest the above method for someone who can't start a
|| newsgroup?
If they are clever enough to run a web site, then they are clever enough to know
about these things no ??
Danny
"Brian H" <No-...@No.Spam.For.Me> wrote in message
news:wYTL8.42811$g63.7...@news11-gui.server.ntli.net...
Not everyone knows how to use the wonderful little tricks our PCs can
provide. Don't get me wrong, some are bone-idle lazy, but not all. Some
actually, *gulp*, need our help.
> If they don't know the basics, how can they be expected to run sites, ng's
or
> whatever else they have in mind to enlighten the world with.
By getting help. Which brings us back to square one...
> How many people have you seen make simple requests here that dont even
know what
> a search engine is or how to use it?
I see your logic, but concessions surely need to be made.
I admit that answering the same questions day in and day out wouldn't be the
most rewarding practice, but by criticising it you're question the basics of
the beauty of the web. That is that new people will come on, having received
a wide-eyed idea from someone who believes the person, because they own a
PC, is the individual to ask, and ask the same questions that others have
previously; but that should not concern you. After all, if you see a
question asked for the 80th time, just ignore it. Someone, somewhere will
answer it making the repetive nature of request after request seem that
little less awful. It's your choice whether or not to pay any attention to
it, is it not?
What I'm saying/ranting is: maybe cut people some slack.
>
> ||
> |||
> ||| You'll want to add a message board system to your web site.
> |||
> ||
> || Ah yes, good old ubb or cgi, or whatever myriad of message board
> || scripts/databases etc are available.
> || And you suggest the above method for someone who can't start a
> || newsgroup?
>
> If they are clever enough to run a web site, then they are clever enough
to know
> about these things no ??
>
>
But they haven't set up a website yet. They, apparently, are still to learn,
well, it seems, everything. Hence the purpose of their post.
Danny
?
>
> Any help would be appreciated .
>
All you need is to send a properly composed control message to alt.config,
for example, which contains the syntax that usenet will pick up (hopefully)
and then spread to newsservers.
The principle is that you're supposed to send a proposal which will then be,
in many cases, shot down in flames. If a miracle occurs and the proposal is
backed by ng residents then the subsequent control message will be far more
likely to succeed.
Setting up a newsgroup isn't like having it on your own PC and being a
server to remote users who'll access it - once it's suggested and taken up,
it's no longer your 'property'. In reality, it never was. It'll go to the
newsservers and you'll have no control over it unless you wish it to be
moderated, but that's a whole other story.
Just go to Google.com and stick in the words without quotations: "newsgroup
control proposal message" and see what it comes up with.
HarleyDude®
wrote
Ya gotta just love the lurkers with no sense of humor. That's 2
notch's in your pistola today.
How does one go about trying to explain this to cluebies. Would it go
something like this:
The reason that people generally get a hard time for asking this
question is because they have no business trying to develop a group
without first understanding the basic principals of usenet. How does
one learn the principals? By participating and learning skills. By
doing research and making on-line friends that can support their
effort.
Why would one come "busting" into a group that they have never read
before and start asking how to "start a newsgroup"? It makes no sense
whatsoever. None. It even, for the most part, shows that they haven't
been in any groups - had they been a participant in another group,
you can be assured that the question would have been asked there.
So why does one feel that they belong on usenet instead of starting
something like a Yahoo group? Is that such a bad thing for a start up
group? It's instant, you can advertise the group to gather supporters,
develop a plan, make it private, discuss FAQ's etc. There is no
justification needed for a Yahoo club as when petitioning for a new
usenet group. It gives the "new group" time to become. It can always
move over to usenet once there is enough support and knowledge.
So, that's my basic explanation without investing any real thought
into it. Do you think that cluebies would start to get the picture
from this or should there be pictures also?
HD
--
Ride slower than your guardian angel can fly
Danny
> On Fri, 7 Jun 2002 02:45:31 +0100, "Danny" <danny__grant///@hotmail.com>
> scribbled:
>
> >
> >"Maurice Byrne" <mau...@eircom.net> wrote in message
> >news:9ORL8.2556$b5.2...@news.indigo.ie...
> >> sorry for the question but I cannot find out hou to setup a new
newsgroup
> >?
> >>
> >> Any help would be appreciated .
> >>
> >
> >All you need is to send a properly composed control message to
alt.config,
>
How is this wrong? From what I've found a properly structured control
message is all that is needed. Or is it *not* to alt.config?
And why 'bzzzzt'? - 'honk' works better I find.
>
> >for example, which contains the syntax that usenet will pick up
(hopefully)
> >and then spread to newsservers.
>
> Bzzzt, wrong, it MUST also include the required header fields.
Which is part of the syntax - covers the structure of the message, including
the headers.
Which therefore ain't wrong.
Or are you just being excessively pedantic?
>
> >The principle is that you're supposed to send a proposal which will then
be,
> >in many cases, shot down in flames. If a miracle occurs and the proposal
is
> >backed by ng residents then the subsequent control message will be far
more
> >likely to succeed.
>
> Bzzzt, wrong the support of the regular readers of alt.config has
> no bearing on the success or failure of a group.
I know, but the 'help' of the alt.config is more likely to lead a proposer
to construct a more effective control message.
If someone proposes a ng which is a total mess, likely in this poster's
case, then alt.config's kind-hearted souls like yourself can give pointers.
Or is that beyond your jurisdiction?
>
> >Setting up a newsgroup isn't like having it on your own PC and being a
> >server to remote users who'll access it - once it's suggested and taken
up,
> >it's no longer your 'property'. In reality, it never was. It'll go to the
> >newsservers and you'll have no control over it unless you wish it to be
> >moderated, but that's a whole other story.
> >
> >Just go to Google.com and stick in the words without quotations:
"newsgroup
> >control proposal message" and see what it comes up with.
> >
>
> --
> 'What Profiteth It A Kingdom If The Oxen Be Deflated?'
> Riddles II, v3
> - T. Pratchett
Danny
> On Fri, 7 Jun 2002 02:09:35 +0100, "Danny" <danny__grant///@hotmail.com>
> scribbled:
>
> >
> >"-= Hawk =-" <ha...@Spam-Me-Not.cfl.rr.com> wrote in message
> >news:p9rvfussh1lepmf0vodsl4rtp90elurc2d@news-server...
> >> On Fri, 7 Jun 2002 00:09:31 +0100, "Maurice Byrne" <mau...@eircom.net>
> >> scribbled:
> >>
> >> >no seriously there is a new newsgroup I need to setup for a large
number
> >of
> >> >people to air there views. A web site will follow very shortly. Is it
> >easy
> >> >to setup ?
> >>
> >> Newsgroups are created for existing interest that's either:
> >> 1) Scattered among a myriad of groups.
> >> or
> >> 2) To move conversation from a general group that it's overwhelming.
> >>
> >> Newsgroups are NOT created for:
> >> 1) Web page support
> >> 2) The hope that someone might want to use it someday.
> >>
> >> Since you were incapable of finding the information on how to create
> >> a newsgroup, there's only 242,000 references to be found on Google,
> >> you're not ready in any way to attempt to start a new group.
> >
> >Surely the point of this newsgroup is to provide help for everyone and
> >anyone who asks for it, as long as it's a reasonable query?
> >As opposed to telling them how stupid they are for not finding it
elsewhere?
>
> ass, the OP stated: "I cannot find out hou to setup a new
> newsgroup" this means he tried and failed to find the information
> no one this clueless should even think of creating a new group.
Can't disagree with that.
>
> >> You'll want to add a message board system to your web site.
> >>
> >
> >Ah yes, good old ubb or cgi, or whatever myriad of message board
> >scripts/databases etc are available.
> >And you suggest the above method for someone who can't start a newsgroup?
>
> Yes, there are a number of free 'click this, enter text here, poof you've
> got a message board' sites around the internet, there are also yahoo
> groups there are MSN clubs all point, click, done.
>
True.
Danny
"HarleyDude®" <biteme.spamme...@spamgourmet.com> wrote in message
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> On Fri, 7 Jun 2002 02:23:59 +0100, "Brian H" <No-...@No.Spam.For.Me>
> wrote
>
>
> Ya gotta just love the lurkers with no sense of humor. That's 2
> notch's in your pistola today.
>
> How does one go about trying to explain this to cluebies. Would it go
> something like this:
>
> The reason that people generally get a hard time for asking this
> question is because they have no business trying to develop a group
> without first understanding the basic principals of usenet. How does
> one learn the principals? By participating and learning skills. By
> doing research and making on-line friends that can support their
> effort.
>
> Why would one come "busting" into a group that they have never read
> before and start asking how to "start a newsgroup"? It makes no sense
> whatsoever. None. It even, for the most part, shows that they haven't
> been in any groups - had they been a participant in another group,
> you can be assured that the question would have been asked there.
Fair enough, but it's not just this topic everyone's getting in a tizzy
over - it seems to be the concept of any repeated question.
>
> So why does one feel that they belong on usenet instead of starting
> something like a Yahoo group? Is that such a bad thing for a start up
> group? It's instant, you can advertise the group to gather supporters,
> develop a plan, make it private, discuss FAQ's etc. There is no
> justification needed for a Yahoo club as when petitioning for a new
> usenet group. It gives the "new group" time to become. It can always
> move over to usenet once there is enough support and knowledge.
Indeed - but if a 'cluebie' is guided in the direction of newsgroups by
others who think they're helping, they're obviously not going to know about
yahoo groups.
Unless informed. But this is mere conjecture.
>
> So, that's my basic explanation without investing any real thought
> into it. Do you think that cluebies would start to get the picture
> from this or should there be pictures also?
I'd throw in animations as well as the odd neon light.
Danny
"@}-}--}-------Rosee >" <<!!GigAntiCBoSomS!!@Nip..com> wrote in message
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> This is a list of posts concerning "creating new newsgroups".
I don't know why you're telling me - I'm well aware the question's been
asked numerous times.
>
> Go here:
>
> http://groups.google.com/advanced_group_search
>
> and insert the "Message ID" in the appropriate box and you'll come up with
> more information than you know what to do with.....
>
> As you can see, it has been asked and answered in this newsgroup ad
> nauseum.....;o/
Without meaning to sound arrogant (Though I suspect I inevitably will)
you've missed the point I was trying to make.
No offence or nuffink ;)
>
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> "Danny" <danny__grant///@hotmail.com> chiseled in stone, the following
> words news:u9UL8.3104$994.2...@newsfep1-win.server.ntli.net:
>
> > "Brian H" wrote...
> >> after some thought, Danny threw all caution to the wind and said:
>
> >> || "-= Hawk =-" wrote...
>
> >> ||| On Fri, 7 Jun 2002 00:09:31 +0100, "Maurice Byrne" scribbled:
> --
> @}-}--}------------Rosee "Gimme back my bullet!"
> www.givemeals.com www.freedonation.com www.hungersite.com
> "This (TINT) is whatever I want it to be you bigfooted
> belligerent bowlegged babblative babuina ." ~Zigi~
Warren Piece 舶安
<mau...@eircom.net> scrawled this message for all to see:
There are over 100,000 groups, hundreds of which are empty!
Take over one of those & use it.........
--
Windoze "When are we going to crash today?"
HarleyDude®
<danny__grant///@hotmail.com> wrote
>
>"HarleyDudeŽ" <biteme.spamme...@spamgourmet.com> wrote in message
>news:l740gussgafss4dv3...@4ax.com...
>> On Fri, 7 Jun 2002 02:23:59 +0100, "Brian H" <No-...@No.Spam.For.Me>
>> wrote
>> Why would one come "busting" into a group that they have never read
>> before and start asking how to "start a newsgroup"? It makes no sense
>> whatsoever. None. It even, for the most part, shows that they haven't
>> been in any groups - had they been a participant in another group,
>> you can be assured that the question would have been asked there.
>
>Fair enough, but it's not just this topic everyone's getting in a tizzy
>over - it seems to be the concept of any repeated question.
>
That is an unfair statement that people in this group do not deserve.
It is especially unfair coming from someone who has minimal posts.
"Everyone" is NOT getting in a "tizzy" over just "any repeated
question". You seem to be missing/losing the "concept" of *this*
thread.
Maybe you should spend more time lurking/participating in the group
and then you would see the generous help provided by volunteers for
the repeated questions. Don't pull one subject out of the air and come
charging in on your white horse claiming everyone has a problem with
repeated questions. Maybe you missed my point as to why people don't
spend a lot of time explaining how to start a newsgroup. If you have
better answers, then post them.
Until you spend hours upon hours everyday in this group, remotely
trying to assist people with the thousands of different problems that
occur, I don't think you have much room to bitch about anything.
HAND
Brian H
|| "HarleyDude®" <biteme.spamme...@spamgourmet.com> wrote in
|| message news:l740gussgafss4dv3...@4ax.com...
||| On Fri, 7 Jun 2002 02:23:59 +0100, "Brian H" <No-
||| Sp...@No.Spam.For.Me> wrote
Someone posts the following message, how would you respond.
1. I can't get my e-mail to work
2. My system keeps crashing, any ideas
3. How do I set up a newsgroup
How soon will it be before you start giving curt replies.
Someone posts the following message
1. I can't get my e-mail to work, Win98se, IE6 OE6
2. My system keeps crashing when I run program 'xyz', Win98se, any ideas
3. How do I set up a newsgroup for twitching (bird watching), I can't find any
newsgroups that come into this category.
I bet your responses vary dramatically from the first set to the second set of
questions
Danny
"@}-}--}-------Rosee >" <<!!GigAntiCBoSomS!!@Nip..com> wrote in message
>
> >
> > "Rosee" wrote...
> >> This is a list of posts concerning "creating new newsgroups".
> >
> > I don't know why you're telling me - I'm well aware the question's
> > been asked numerous times.
>
> original poster.
Eh, I did help the original poster actually.
>
> So if you knew this question had been asked numerous times, why didn't you
> take the time to compile the list and HELP the original poster? At least
I didn't take to compile the list because I felt like answering the question
directly.
So sorry.
> *I* came into the thread with needed links and I think if the original
> poster will follow my links, he will be answered.
>
> >> Go here:
> >>
> >> http://groups.google.com/advanced_group_search
> >>
> >> and insert the "Message ID" in the appropriate box and you'll come up
> >> with more information than you know what to do with.....
> >>
> >> As you can see, it has been asked and answered in this newsgroup ad
> >> nauseum.....;o/
>
> > Without meaning to sound arrogant (Though I suspect I inevitably will)
> > you've missed the point I was trying to make.
> > No offence or nuffink ;)
>
> No I haven't missed the point. *I* HELPED the original poster, by
At least 2 hours after I did.
> responding to your queries and YOU didn't help him with your response to
> Brian H....and I shan't schnippen the post.
Stop sniping.
> >> "Danny" chiseled in stone, the following words:
Danny
"HarleyDude®" <biteme.spamme...@spamgourmet.com> wrote in message
news:4371gu433ugp14smp...@4ax.com...> >"HarleyDude®" <biteme.spamme...@spamgourmet.com> wrote in
message
> >news:l740gussgafss4dv3...@4ax.com...
> >> On Fri, 7 Jun 2002 02:23:59 +0100, "Brian H" <No-...@No.Spam.For.Me>
> >> wrote
> >> Why would one come "busting" into a group that they have never read
> >> before and start asking how to "start a newsgroup"? It makes no sense
> >> whatsoever. None. It even, for the most part, shows that they haven't
> >> been in any groups - had they been a participant in another group,
> >> you can be assured that the question would have been asked there.
> >
> >Fair enough, but it's not just this topic everyone's getting in a tizzy
> >over - it seems to be the concept of any repeated question.
> >
>
> That is an unfair statement that people in this group do not deserve.
Don't turn this into a melodramatic moral crusade for goodness' sake.
This is only a newsgroup.
> It is especially unfair coming from someone who has minimal posts.
Maybe because I changed my handle 3 months ago. My posts here go back a lot
further.
> "Everyone" is NOT getting in a "tizzy" over just "any repeated
Sounds to me like that's exactly what is happening. Or is it just yourself?
> question". You seem to be missing/losing the "concept" of *this*
> thread.
I do?
>
> Maybe you should spend more time lurking/participating in the group
> and then you would see the generous help provided by volunteers for
> the repeated questions. Don't pull one subject out of the air and come
> charging in on your white horse claiming everyone has a problem with
> repeated questions.
'Charging in on my white horse'
Maybe you missed my point as to why people don't
> spend a lot of time explaining how to start a newsgroup.
If you're doing a job professionally would you moan if a task came in
repeatedly?
You could elevate it, or whatever. Moaning to your boss that people are
giving you the same problems isn't really going to get you anywhere unless
the organisation makes moves to remedy these issues.
Why does this newsgroup not have a charter?
If you have
> better answers, then post them.
I added my help here, whether it's better or not is up to you.
>
> Until you spend hours upon hours everyday in this group, remotely
> trying to assist people with the thousands of different problems that
> occur, I don't think you have much room to bitch about anything.
>
I'm 'bitching'?
Honestly, you'd think this was genuinely important...
Danny
I'm not saying I think you're all a bunch of pedantics for moaning about
this, nor am I saying that these repeated requestions would give me joy
either.
Just that it seems more productive to introduce a charter which gives a
whole host of tips. A FAQ, if you like which covers common technical issues
and links to useful sites.
If people still come on and seem to ignore this then I'd concur with you.
If you guys were professional you wouldn't be able to complain.
Brian H
How many people have you seen ask if there is a FAQ ??
regardless of if there is one or not
Brian H
||
|| If you're doing a job professionally would you moan if a task came in
|| repeatedly?
Not if I was getting paid to do the job!!
professionally or in a professional manner ?
Danny
> after some thought, Danny threw all caution to the wind and said:
> .
> ||
> || If you're doing a job professionally would you moan if a task came in
> || repeatedly?
>
> Not if I was getting paid to do the job!!
Ok, getting somewhere.
>
> professionally or in a professional manner ?
>
Professionally - as a job.
Danny
Danny
> On Fri, 7 Jun 2002 15:43:49 +0100, "Danny" <danny__grant///@hotmail.com>
> scribbled:
>
> >Don't get me wrong here:
> >I'm not saying I think you're all a bunch of pedantics for moaning about
> >this, nor am I saying that these repeated requestions would give me joy
> >either.
> >Just that it seems more productive to introduce a charter which gives a
> >whole host of tips. A FAQ, if you like which covers common technical
issues
> >and links to useful sites.
>
> group before posting, it's fact, a FAQ won't help.
Been tried before? Oh well, that's that one out the window.
>
> >If people still come on and seem to ignore this then I'd concur with you.
>
> Years of observation by many regulars already bears this out to be true.
I'll take your word for it because while I've been here a lot in the past
I'm not an explicit regular, persay.
>
> >If you guys were professional you wouldn't be able to complain.
>
> If I were getting paid I wouldn't care, but I'm not.
>
In this case, and I can see everyone's up in arms over this (Ok, maybe not
that *that* bad), but why don't you simply *ignore* the repetitive
questions?
Leave them to someone else who might not have answered it before?
Brian H
|| "Brian H" <No-...@No.Spam.For.Me> wrote in message
|| news:DL3M8.4331$L66.5...@news6-win.server.ntlworld.com...
||| after some thought, Danny threw all caution to the wind and said:
||||||
||||| Don't get me wrong here:
||||| I'm not saying I think you're all a bunch of pedantics for moaning
||||| about this, nor am I saying that these repeated requestions would
||||| give me joy either.
||||| Just that it seems more productive to introduce a charter which
||||| gives a whole host of tips. A FAQ, if you like which covers common
----^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
||||| technical issues and links to useful sites.
||||| If people still come on and seem to ignore this then I'd concur
||||| with you. If you guys were professional you wouldn't be able to
||||| complain.
|||
||| How many people have you seen ask if there is a FAQ ??
||| regardless of if there is one or not
|||
||| I've not noticed any occasions, which really isn't what I'm
||| getting at.
But you appear to suggest it, see your comment above
Danny
No, I'm saying it would be like a standard post which would be the first one
on the group, and would *seriously* suggest it be read.
No one would necessarily ask for it because it would be there, in shiny
lights right in front of them.
But -=Hawk=- says it's been tried before so fair dues.
Danny
> On Fri, 7 Jun 2002 17:29:41 +0100, "Danny" <danny__grant///@hotmail.com>
> scribbled:
>
> >
> >"-= Hawk =-" <ha...@Spam-Me-Not.cfl.rr.com> wrote in message
> >news:egi1gu099lt7r53vjcb9eb75gcu5grj0og@news-server...
> >> On Fri, 7 Jun 2002 15:43:49 +0100, "Danny"
<danny__grant///@hotmail.com>
> >> scribbled:
> >>
> >> >Don't get me wrong here:
> >> >I'm not saying I think you're all a bunch of pedantics for moaning
about
> >> >this, nor am I saying that these repeated requestions would give me
joy
> >> >either.
> >> >Just that it seems more productive to introduce a charter which gives
a
> >> >whole host of tips. A FAQ, if you like which covers common technical
> >issues
> >> >and links to useful sites.
> >>
> >> FAQs have been tried more times than I can count, no one reads the
> >> group before posting, it's fact, a FAQ won't help.
> >
> >Been tried before? Oh well, that's that one out the window.
>
>
> >> >If people still come on and seem to ignore this then I'd concur with
you.
> >>
> >> Years of observation by many regulars already bears this out to be
true.
> >
> >I'll take your word for it because while I've been here a lot in the past
> >I'm not an explicit regular, persay.
> >
> >>
> >> >If you guys were professional you wouldn't be able to complain.
> >>
> >> If I were getting paid I wouldn't care, but I'm not.
> >>
> >
> >In this case, and I can see everyone's up in arms over this (Ok, maybe
not
> >that *that* bad), but why don't you simply *ignore* the repetitive
> >questions?
>
So, you volunteer for this service, complain (Or at the very least
personally get pissed off with without perhaps voicing your dissapproval)
about repetitve questions yet continue to answer them.
I don't whether I admire your persistence in pursuit of duty or mirth at the
paradoxical nature of the situation.
>
> >Leave them to someone else who might not have answered it before?
>
> So they can get it completely wrong?
>
Oh your faith in your fellow regulars is overwhelming.
Danny
> On Fri, 7 Jun 2002 18:10:48 +0100, "Danny" <danny__grant///@hotmail.com>
> question nor does anything on usenet ever truly piss me off.
When one separates usenet from 'real-life' it's quite apparent that there's
absolute nothing on usenet to get worked up about anyway.
>
> >about repetitve questions yet continue to answer them.
> >I don't whether I admire your persistence in pursuit of duty or mirth at
the
> >paradoxical nature of the situation.
>
> Le me know what you decide.
If that wasn't dripping with sarcasm I'd be tempted to choose one.
But it's not really important, is it?
>
> >> >Leave them to someone else who might not have answered it before?
> >>
> >> So they can get it completely wrong?
> >>
> >
> >Oh your faith in your fellow regulars is overwhelming.
>
> I doubt there's a 'fellow regular' who hasn't answered the 'How do I
create
> a new group' question.
>
The flaw with this whole debate is that it's actually decidely
uninteresting.
Norman
answered this question. Stop being superior and remember that some
people are new to this group and others. I teach people to drive, I
don't start this process by pouring scorn on their inability to do it,
before I have begun to teach them. Bear that in mind next time you
want to be supercilious.
Norm
On Fri, 07 Jun 2002 17:41:50 GMT, -= Hawk =-
<ha...@Spam-Me-Not.cfl.rr.com> wrote:
>On Fri, 7 Jun 2002 18:10:48 +0100, "Danny" <danny__grant///@hotmail.com>
>I haven't complained about the repetitive posts of the same
>question nor does anything on usenet ever truly piss me off.
>
>>about repetitve questions yet continue to answer them.
>>I don't whether I admire your persistence in pursuit of duty or mirth at the
>>paradoxical nature of the situation.
>
>Le me know what you decide.
>
>>> >Leave them to someone else who might not have answered it before?
>>>
>>> So they can get it completely wrong?
>>>
>>
>>Oh your faith in your fellow regulars is overwhelming.
>
Danny
"Jimchip" <jim...@localhost.localdomain> wrote in message
news:5bbM8.1266$Pv2...@newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net...
> On Fri, 7 Jun 2002 19:25:57 +0100, Danny wrote:
> >
> > When one separates usenet from 'real-life' it's quite apparent that
there's
> > absolute nothing on usenet to get worked up about anyway.
>
previous
> handle- I'm sure I killfiled you before.
>
On this newsgroup? Highly unlikely as all my previous posts here have either
been queries obligingly answered by various members, or responses to other
techie queries. I ain't provided an 'opinionated' post here before which is
more that 99% likely the cause of most kill-files.
Then again, you might as well kill-file me now anyway because you inevitably
will regardless.
I've only ever kf'd one person, and that was extreme. Kill-filing is the
most absurd practice.
Danny
"Jimchip" <jim...@localhost.localdomain> wrote in message
> On Sat, 8 Jun 2002 03:32:58 +0100, Danny wrote:
> >
> > "Jimchip" <jim...@localhost.localdomain> wrote in message
> > news:5bbM8.1266$Pv2...@newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net...
> >> On Fri, 7 Jun 2002 19:25:57 +0100, Danny wrote:
> >> >
> >> > When one separates usenet from 'real-life' it's quite apparent that
> > there's
> >> > absolute nothing on usenet to get worked up about anyway.
> >>
> >> Why is Usenet not a part of my real life?
I distinctly recognise that usenet and the Internet isn't something that I
really carry about with me away from my PC.
Do you?
I would like to know your
> > previous
> >> handle- I'm sure I killfiled you before.
> >>
> >
> > On this newsgroup? Highly unlikely as all my previous posts here have
either
> > been queries obligingly answered by various members, or responses to
other
> > techie queries. I ain't provided an 'opinionated' post here before which
is
> > more that 99% likely the cause of most kill-files.
>
> You were using the fact that you changed your 'handle' to imply your
> previous experience...
Nope, there was nothing bad about my previous experience - I was using a
handle inspired by a movie, and had for 3 years. When I moved to broadband I
decided to start using my real name for some reason.
>
> > Then again, you might as well kill-file me now anyway because you
inevitably
> > will regardless.
>
> Might as well- you don't respond to direct questions like Why is Usenet
not
> a part of my real life? in response to your phrase " When one separates
> usenet from 'real-life'".
And that's your basis for kill-filing - if someone fails to answer a
question which they actually saw as slightly rhetorical?
Well, as you'll see above, I have now.
>
> > I've only ever kf'd one person, and that was extreme. Kill-filing is the
> > most absurd practice.
> >
> >
>
>
> --
> Jim jimchip 'at' spamcop.net
> Contrary to popular belief, Barnum's great discovery was not
> how easy it was to deceive the public, but rather, how much
> the public enjoyed being deceived.
Danny
"Jimchip" <jim...@localhost.localdomain> wrote in message
> On Sat, 8 Jun 2002 03:35:45 +0100, Danny wrote:
> >
> > "Jimchip" <jim...@localhost.localdomain> wrote in message
> >> On Fri, 7 Jun 2002 15:38:34 +0100, Danny wrote:
> >> >
> >> > Don't turn this into a melodramatic moral crusade for goodness' sake.
> >> > This is only a newsgroup.
> >> >
> >> >> It is especially unfair coming from someone who has minimal posts.
> >> >
> >> > Maybe because I changed my handle 3 months ago. My posts here go back
a
> > lot
> >> > further.
> >>
> >> killfile already and now I know- You trollingly nymshifted.
> >>
> >
> > So anyone who speaks out with opinion gets kill-filed by you - tolerant,
> > aren't you?
>
> I haven't killfiled you yet under your current nym. And it's not 'anyone
> who speaks out with opinion'- It's your ignorant opinions that might be a
> waste of time.
Those 'ignorant opinions' being?
Go on, do tell, I'm dying to hear.
Especially after Hawk kindly informed me of enlightening facts which I took
on board happily.
>
> > Irony being that troll in this sense is to post with intent to incite
> > argument. That was never my intention at all and I think it's pretty
> > obvious.
>
> You're not listening...
>
Right back at you.
I detect you're simply attempting an argument here.
Danny
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"Jimchip" <jim...@localhost.localdomain> wrote in message
news:VtgM8.1940$Pv2....@newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net...
> On Sat, 8 Jun 2002 04:52:48 +0100, Danny wrote:
> >
> > "Jimchip" <jim...@localhost.localdomain> wrote in message
> > news:KceM8.1649$Pv2...@newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net...
> >> On Sat, 8 Jun 2002 03:32:58 +0100, Danny wrote:
> >> >
> >> > "Jimchip" <jim...@localhost.localdomain> wrote in message
> >> > news:5bbM8.1266$Pv2...@newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net...
> >> >> On Fri, 7 Jun 2002 19:25:57 +0100, Danny wrote:
> >> >> >
> >> >> > When one separates usenet from 'real-life' it's quite apparent
that
> >> > there's
> >> >> > absolute nothing on usenet to get worked up about anyway.
> >> >>
> >> >> Why is Usenet not a part of my real life?
> >
> > I distinctly recognise that usenet and the Internet isn't something that
I
> > really carry about with me away from my PC.
>
> So 'real-life' is away from your PC and when you are working with your PC
> and communicating with Usenet that is 'fake-life'?
Not even vaguely what I said. 'real life' is worth being concerned about.
>
>
> > Do you?
>
> Do I recognize that you have false dichotomies?
>
Dunno, I'm in 2 minds about that.
Danny
"Jimchip" <jim...@localhost.localdomain> wrote in message
> Surely the point of this newsgroup is to provide help for everyone and
> anyone who asks for it, as long as it's a reasonable query?
> As opposed to telling them how stupid they are for not finding it
> elsewhere?
This is an ignorant opinion how? Looks like a question to me.
>
> Ah yes, good old ubb or cgi, or whatever myriad of message board
> scripts/databases etc are available.
> And you suggest the above method for someone who can't start a newsgroup?
What's the problem above?
>
> Message-ID: <u9UL8.3104$994.2...@newsfep1-win.server.ntli.net>
> I admit that answering the same questions day in and day out wouldn't be
> the most rewarding practice, but by criticising it you're question the
> basics of the beauty of the web. That is that new people will come on,
> having received a wide-eyed idea from someone who believes the person,
> because they own a PC, is the individual to ask, and ask the same
questions
> that others have previously; but that should not concern you. After all,
if
> you see a question asked for the 80th time, just ignore it. Someone,
> somewhere will answer it making the repetive nature of request after
request
> seem that little less awful. It's your choice whether or not to pay any
> attention to it, is it not?
It's advice and suggestions, not an opinion.
>
> What I'm saying/ranting is: maybe cut people some slack.
Words fail me.
>
> But they haven't set up a website yet. They, apparently, are still to
learn,
> well, it seems, everything. Hence the purpose of their post.
>
>
> Message-ID: <AHVL8.3329$994.2...@newsfep1-win.server.ntli.net>
> Fair enough, but it's not just this topic everyone's getting in a tizzy
> over - it seems to be the concept of any repeated question.
>
> Message-ID: <Az3M8.982$iK5....@news8-gui.server.ntli.net>
> Don't turn this into a melodramatic moral crusade for goodness' sake.
> This is only a newsgroup.
>
> > It is especially unfair coming from someone who has minimal posts.
Right, and this *isn't* an ignorant opinion?
>
> Maybe because I changed my handle 3 months ago. My posts here go back a
> lot
> further.
>
> > "Everyone" is NOT getting in a "tizzy" over just "any repeated.
>
> Sounds to me like that's exactly what is happening. Or is it just
> yourself?
>
> If you're doing a job professionally would you moan if a task came in
> repeatedly?
> You could elevate it, or whatever. Moaning to your boss that people are
> giving you the same problems isn't really going to get you anywhere unless
> the organisation makes moves to remedy these issues.
> Why does this newsgroup not have a charter?
>
> I'm 'bitching'?
> Honestly, you'd think this was genuinely important...
>
> Message-ID: <vE3M8.997$iK5....@news8-gui.server.ntli.net>
> Don't get me wrong here:
> I'm not saying I think you're all a bunch of pedantics for moaning about
> this, nor am I saying that these repeated requestions would give me joy
> either.
> Just that it seems more productive to introduce a charter which gives a
> whole host of tips. A FAQ, if you like which covers common technical
> issues
> and links to useful sites.
> If people still come on and seem to ignore this then I'd concur with you.
> If you guys were professional you wouldn't be able to complain.
>
>
> Message-ID: <UL5M8.2085$zy5.3...@news11-gui.server.ntli.net>
> No, I'm saying it would be like a standard post which would be the first
> one
> on the group, and would *seriously* suggest it be read.
> No one would necessarily ask for it because it would be there, in shiny
> lights right in front of them.
> But -=Hawk=- says it's been tried before so fair dues.
>
> Message-ID: <Mb5M8.1105$iK5....@news8-gui.server.ntli.net>
> In this case, and I can see everyone's up in arms over this (Ok, maybe not
> that *that* bad), but why don't you simply *ignore* the repetitive
> questions?
> Leave them to someone else who might not have answered it before?
>
> Message-ID: <LU6M8.1492$iK5....@news8-gui.server.ntli.net>
> When one separates usenet from 'real-life' it's quite apparent that
> there's
> absolute nothing on usenet to get worked up about anyway.
>
> Message-ID: <j1eM8.8602$L66.1...@news6-win.server.ntlworld.com>
> I've only ever kf'd one person, and that was extreme. Kill-filing is the
> most absurd practice.
>
> Message-ID: <SeUL8.3120$994.2...@newsfep1-win.server.ntli.net>
> All you need is to send a properly composed control message to alt.config,
> for example, which contains the syntax that usenet will pick up
> (hopefully)
> and then spread to newsservers.
> The principle is that you're supposed to send a proposal which will then
> be,
> in many cases, shot down in flames. If a miracle occurs and the proposal
> is
> backed by ng residents then the subsequent control message will be far
> more
> likely to succeed.
>
>
> > Especially after Hawk kindly informed me of enlightening facts which I
took
> > on board happily.
> >
> >>
> >> > Irony being that troll in this sense is to post with intent to incite
> >> > argument. That was never my intention at all and I think it's pretty
> >> > obvious.
> >>
> >> You're not listening...
> >>
> >
> > Right back at you.
> > I detect you're simply attempting an argument here.
>
> I'm not attempting anything.
>
Goodness sake, half of these aren't even opinions, never mind 'ignorant'
ones. You sir need to lighten up.
Get outside, breathe in fresh air.
Danny
"Jimchip" <jim...@localhost.localdomain> wrote in message
> On Sat, 8 Jun 2002 16:08:17 +0100, Danny wrote:
> >> >
> >> > Those 'ignorant opinions' being?
> >> > Go on, do tell, I'm dying to hear.
> >>
> >> Message-ID: <cJTL8.42724$g63.7...@news11-gui.server.ntli.net>
> >> Surely the point of this newsgroup is to provide help for everyone and
> >> anyone who asks for it, as long as it's a reasonable query?
> >> As opposed to telling them how stupid they are for not finding it
> >> elsewhere?
> >
> > This is an ignorant opinion how? Looks like a question to me.
>
question-
> It's a rhetorical statement of your wrong opinion.
>
>
The first part is a question, the second part supplements and justifies it.
> >>
> >> Ah yes, good old ubb or cgi, or whatever myriad of message board
> >> scripts/databases etc are available.
> >> And you suggest the above method for someone who can't start a
newsgroup?
> >
> > What's the problem above?
>
> In the context of the original question the answer you are disagreeing
with
> was correct. Set up the website first, go through the trouble to get chat
> running...Yes, all things hard for a newbie but at least they are not
> burdening Usenet with another clueless newbie group.
>
The above is not a disagreement - it's enquiry. It's asking why such a
complex solution has been chosen, which was then answered and clarified.
> >
> >>
> >> Message-ID: <u9UL8.3104$994.2...@newsfep1-win.server.ntli.net>
> >> I admit that answering the same questions day in and day out wouldn't
be
> >> the most rewarding practice, but by criticising it you're question the
> >> basics of the beauty of the web. That is that new people will come on,
> >> having received a wide-eyed idea from someone who believes the person,
> >> because they own a PC, is the individual to ask, and ask the same
> > questions
> >> that others have previously; but that should not concern you. After
all,
> > if
> >> you see a question asked for the 80th time, just ignore it. Someone,
> >> somewhere will answer it making the repetive nature of request after
> > request
> >> seem that little less awful. It's your choice whether or not to pay any
> >> attention to it, is it not?
> >
> > It's advice and suggestions, not an opinion.
>
> Semantics. The statement above betrays the 'ignorant' part of
> 'ignorant opinions'
>
In your highly valued opinion, that is. If anyone, my dear friend, is guilty
of semantics it appears to be you.
> >
> >>
> >> What I'm saying/ranting is: maybe cut people some slack.
> >
> > Words fail me.
> >
> >>
> >> But they haven't set up a website yet. They, apparently, are still to
> > learn,
> >> well, it seems, everything. Hence the purpose of their post.
> >>
>
> The purpose of their post was to try to find an easy way to setup a vanity
> newsgroup for their current (most likely, short-term) interest. They need
to
> be disabused of that goal.
The irony of all this is the person has been answered and helped, and we're
all still debating a fairly redundant subject.
>
>
> >>
> >> Message-ID: <AHVL8.3329$994.2...@newsfep1-win.server.ntli.net>
> >> Fair enough, but it's not just this topic everyone's getting in a tizzy
> >> over - it seems to be the concept of any repeated question.
> >>
> >> Message-ID: <Az3M8.982$iK5....@news8-gui.server.ntli.net>
> >> Don't turn this into a melodramatic moral crusade for goodness' sake.
> >> This is only a newsgroup.
> >>
> >> > It is especially unfair coming from someone who has minimal posts.
> >
> >
> > Right, and this *isn't* an ignorant opinion?
>
> What's 'this'?
The above line. 'it is especially...'
Like I say my posts go back longer, but, of course, you already knew that,
didn't you?
>
> <snip of stuff not responded to>
>
> >
> > Goodness sake, half of these aren't even opinions, never mind 'ignorant'
> > ones. You sir need to lighten up.
> > Get outside, breathe in fresh air.
>
> The bottom line is that you are posting to the 24HS.HD with ignorant
> opinions along the line of "Hey, none of this is important so what's the
big
> deal"
Maybe I came across as a touch arrogant in that respect, and I apologise for
doing so, but you seem to be putting me down for making points, 'ignorant'
or otherwise, most of which have been answered and clarified anyway.
>"Get a real-life you people" as if you somehow see 'beyond' this and
> are somehow above it.
I never said anything like that - I said that when I separate 'real-life'
and usenet I realise usenet isn't that important. Doesn't mean I'm debunking
it and saying 'get a life looooser'. I'm certainly not condemning it and
saying I'm 'above' it at all.
If you want to convince yourself I'm berating you, fine.
>Quit telling me and others to get a 'real-life' like
> you think you have- If I got a life like you I don't think I would handle
> the IQ drop as well as you seem to.
>
Now you're stooping to blatant insults - is that how you see fit to continue
a debate?
Look - I'm not trying to make an enemy of anyone, and I'm only to happy to
answer your points here, but I sense you want to keep this one going where
there simply is no point. If you agree; we'll amicably agree to disagree,
chalk this down to experience and be on our merry way.
Danny
"Jimchip" <jim...@localhost.localdomain> wrote in message
> On Sat, 8 Jun 2002 19:14:06 +0100, Danny wrote:
> >
> > "Jimchip" <jim...@localhost.localdomain> wrote in message
> > news:BEpM8.3167$Pv2....@newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net...
> >> On Sat, 8 Jun 2002 16:08:17 +0100, Danny wrote:
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Those 'ignorant opinions' being?
> >> >> > Go on, do tell, I'm dying to hear.
> >> >>
> >> >> Message-ID: <cJTL8.42724$g63.7...@news11-gui.server.ntli.net>
> >> >> Surely the point of this newsgroup is to provide help for everyone
and
> >> >> anyone who asks for it, as long as it's a reasonable query?
> >> >> As opposed to telling them how stupid they are for not finding it
> >> >> elsewhere?
> >> >
> >> > This is an ignorant opinion how? Looks like a question to me.
> >>
> >> Just because you put a question mark at the end doesn't make it a
> > question-
> >> It's a rhetorical statement of your wrong opinion.
> >>
> >>
> >
> > The first part is a question, the second part supplements and justifies
it.
>
> "Surely the point of this newsgroup is to provide help for everyone and
>
> >
> >> >>
> >> >> Ah yes, good old ubb or cgi, or whatever myriad of message board
> >> >> scripts/databases etc are available.
> >> >> And you suggest the above method for someone who can't start a
> > newsgroup?
> >> >
> >> > What's the problem above?
> >>
> >> In the context of the original question the answer you are disagreeing
> > with
> >> was correct. Set up the website first, go through the trouble to get
chat
> >> running...Yes, all things hard for a newbie but at least they are not
> >> burdening Usenet with another clueless newbie group.
> >>
> >
> > The above is not a disagreement - it's enquiry. It's asking why such a
> > complex solution has been chosen, which was then answered and clarified.
>
> wrong. You are not simply asking questions- You're are trying one of the
> oldest and lamest rhetorical tricks- Appear to be asking a question whilst
> rendering an opinion. You feel that you are covering yourself- Either you
> will get your point across or you can claim to have been just asking a
> question.
> >I admit that answering the same questions day in and day out wouldn't
> > be
> >> >> the most rewarding practice, but by criticising it you're question
the
> >> >> basics of the beauty of the web.
>
> talking about with respect to that issue, my dear friend.
>
> >
> >> >
> >> >>
> >> >> What I'm saying/ranting is: maybe cut people some slack.
> >> >
> >> > Words fail me.
> >> >
> >> >>
> >> >> But they haven't set up a website yet. They, apparently, are still
to
> >> > learn,
> >> >> well, it seems, everything. Hence the purpose of their post.
> >> >>
> >>
> >> The purpose of their post was to try to find an easy way to setup a
vanity
> >> newsgroup for their current (most likely, short-term) interest. They
need
> > to
> >> be disabused of that goal.
> >
> > The irony of all this is the person has been answered and helped, and
we're
> > all still debating a fairly redundant subject.
>
> disjointed from 'real-life', not worth the effort to think about. By
> re-stating that attitude time and again you are denigrating the people who
> spend time posting and who do think it is 'real' and not merely a
> 'redundant' exercise. When you post with that attitude you are going to
get
> called on it.
>
> >>
> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> Message-ID: <AHVL8.3329$994.2...@newsfep1-win.server.ntli.net>
> >> >> Fair enough, but it's not just this topic everyone's getting in a
tizzy
> >> >> over - it seems to be the concept of any repeated question.
> >> >>
> >> >> Message-ID: <Az3M8.982$iK5....@news8-gui.server.ntli.net>
> >> >> Don't turn this into a melodramatic moral crusade for goodness'
sake.
> >> >> This is only a newsgroup.
> >> >>
> >> >> > It is especially unfair coming from someone who has minimal posts.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Right, and this *isn't* an ignorant opinion?
> >>
> >> What's 'this'?
> >
> > The above line. 'it is especially...'
>
Was it, oh well.
>and you know my opinion on that re: trollingly
> nymshifting in order to escape kill-files. That's an ignorant opinion?
>
> > Like I say my posts go back longer, but, of course, you already knew
that,
> > didn't you?
>
> You never coughed up your previous 'handle'.
>
> >>
> >> <snip of stuff not responded to>
> >>
> >> >
> >> > Goodness sake, half of these aren't even opinions, never mind
'ignorant'
> >> > ones. You sir need to lighten up.
> >> > Get outside, breathe in fresh air.
> >>
> >> The bottom line is that you are posting to the 24HS.HD with ignorant
> >> opinions along the line of "Hey, none of this is important so what's
the
> > big
> >> deal"
> >
> > Maybe I came across as a touch arrogant in that respect, and I apologise
for
> > doing so, but you seem to be putting me down for making points,
'ignorant'
> > or otherwise, most of which have been answered and clarified anyway.
>
> Apology accepted on behalf of myself.
>
> Just because you learned something doesn't make the originals less
ignorant-
> All those quotes are from less than 24 hours ago- 'Ignorance' does not
equal
> 'stupidity'. And you say "but you seem to be putting me down for making
> points"--see, that's not asking questions.
>
> >>"Get a real-life you people" as if you somehow see 'beyond' this and
> >> are somehow above it.
> >
> > I never said anything like that - I said that when I separate
'real-life'
> > and usenet I realise usenet isn't that important.
>
> What part about a person reading and posting to usenet is not
'real'?-Don't
> bother to answer, we are ending this discussion...
>
>
> >Doesn't mean I'm debunking
> > it and saying 'get a life looooser'. I'm certainly not condemning it and
> > saying I'm 'above' it at all.
> > If you want to convince yourself I'm berating you, fine.
>
> I don't have the particular mental illness you are implying.
>
>
> >>Quit telling me and others to get a 'real-life' like
> >> you think you have- If I got a life like you I don't think I would
handle
> >> the IQ drop as well as you seem to.
> >>
> >
> > Now you're stooping to blatant insults - is that how you see fit to
continue
> > a debate?
>
> It's pretty damn dumb to tell others they need to get outside more often,
> that what they spend their time doing is not 'real', that it is somehow
> separated from 'real-life'. Maybe it's not an IQ problem...
>
> >
> > Look - I'm not trying to make an enemy of anyone, and I'm only to happy
to
> > answer your points here, but I sense you want to keep this one going
where
> > there simply is no point. If you agree; we'll amicably agree to
disagree,
> > chalk this down to experience and be on our merry way.
>
> I'm done. I have no hard feelings. Your score file isn't up to -9999, yet.
>
I have no hard feelings either.
Incidentally, humour me for a moment if you would and tell me what you meant
by the final comment. I think I know, just want to verify.
Brian H
(bloody great big snip)
could you do the same please, or let it go
thanks
Brian H
|| I scrolled through the thing looking for inline replies. :)
||
He was wearing my poor mouse out, did you see the pic of it that I posted in
alt.binaries.cores :-)
Brian H
|||
|| Not yet but I was going to wander over there...
|| I thought that was supposed to be a 'secret' place...
||
Oops :-(
Danny
"Jimchip" <jim...@localhost.localdomain> wrote in message
> On Sat, 8 Jun 2002 21:02:14 +0100, Danny wrote:
> >
> > "Jimchip" <jim...@localhost.localdomain> wrote in message
> >
yet.
> >>
> >
> > I have no hard feelings either.
> > Incidentally, humour me for a moment if you would and tell me what you
meant
> > by the final comment. I think I know, just want to verify.
>
>
> My newsreader is set to add -1111 to the score of a poster when I press
the
> 'K' key. When the score hits -9999 any messages are totally killed by
> default- They don't even show in the articles subject list.
>
So what's my score then?
Danny
"Brian H" <No-...@No.Spam.For.Me> wrote in message
news:MttM8.4312$tm.7...@news6-win.server.ntlworld.com...
Danny
"Jimchip" <jim...@localhost.localdomain> wrote in message
> On Sat, 8 Jun 2002 22:04:27 +0100, Danny wrote:
> >
> > "Jimchip" <jim...@localhost.localdomain> wrote in message
> > news:HLtM8.2996$k85....@newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net...
> >> On Sat, 8 Jun 2002 21:02:14 +0100, Danny wrote:
> >> >
> >> > "Jimchip" <jim...@localhost.localdomain> wrote in message
> >> >
> >> >> I'm done. I have no hard feelings. Your score file isn't up
to -9999,
> > yet.
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> > I have no hard feelings either.
> >> > Incidentally, humour me for a moment if you would and tell me what
you
> > meant
> >> > by the final comment. I think I know, just want to verify.
> >>
> >> D-7777 256:[Danny ] Re: how do I setup a new newsgroup ?
> >>
> >> My newsreader is set to add -1111 to the score of a poster when I press
> > the
> >> 'K' key. When the score hits -9999 any messages are totally killed by
> >> default- They don't even show in the articles subject list.
> >>
> >
> > So what's my score then?
>
> D-7777 256:[Danny ] Re: how do I setup a new newsgroup ?
>
Does this mean that no matter what I say, in 3 posts you'll have kill-filed
me?
Or do you choose the posts yourself?
Danny
"Jimchip" <jim...@localhost.localdomain> wrote in message
> awhile ;)
Welll I've never been kf'd before to my knowledge, and I don't intend to
start now.
How many people do you kf? Because I've never done it before bar one extreme
example, and I'd like never to do it again.
Actually, I must have formatted since because I have 0 kf's now. It'll stay
that way.
>
> > Or do you choose the posts yourself?
>
> Who else would choose the posts? ;)
I was meaning that as soon as you set a 'k' against me, that every
subsequent post would put me one closer to kf, or that you simply take a
look at what I say, then decide, 'yup, I'll put that one on the tally'.
>
> You got a -1111 every time I called up one of your messages (that I posted
> the messageID's to earlier).
>
That's not fair!
Danny
"Jimchip" <jim...@localhost.localdomain> wrote in message
Maybe not but what I say has a bearing on the potential for it. Therefore I
have an influence which appears to be a pretty major one.
>
> > How many people do you kf? Because I've never done it before bar one
extreme
> > example, and I'd like never to do it again.
>
> It's not good to KF some posters- It's good to keep track of what they are
> doing.
So you *do* make a habit of KF'ing some people? That's something I will
never do - I think it's a bit perverse to the point of the web - freedom of
speech.
I can't KF someone in person, so why should I do to them in text?
>
> > Actually, I must have formatted since because I have 0 kf's now. It'll
stay
> > that way.
> >
> >>
> >> > Or do you choose the posts yourself?
> >>
> >> Who else would choose the posts? ;)
> >
> > I was meaning that as soon as you set a 'k' against me, that every
> > subsequent post would put me one closer to kf, or that you simply take a
> > look at what I say, then decide, 'yup, I'll put that one on the tally'.
>
> I press the keyboard "K"...it's a manual, not automatic.
What news client do you use?
>
> >>
> >> You got a -1111 every time I called up one of your messages (that I
posted
> >> the messageID's to earlier).
> >>
> >
> > That's not fair!
>
> LOL! You made me laugh...+1111. Your only at -6666 now.
>
> D-6666 74:[Danny ]
>
Oh great - for every entertaining post I provide I improve in your KF tally
(!)
Should I start juggling?
Danny
"Jimchip" <jim...@localhost.localdomain> wrote in message
> On Sun, 9 Jun 2002 02:16:05 +0100, Danny wrote:
> >
> > "Jimchip" <jim...@localhost.localdomain> wrote in message
>
> >> >> >> >> killed by default- They don't even show in the articles
subject
> >> >> >> >>list.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > So what's my score then?
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> D-7777 256:[Danny ] Re: how do I setup a new newsgroup
?
> >> >> >> ^^^^
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Does this mean that no matter what I say, in 3 posts you'll have
> >> >> > kill-filed me?
> >> >>
> >> >> Actually, it would only take you two more but you've been at -7777
for
> >> >> awhile ;)
> >> >
> >> > Welll I've never been kf'd before to my knowledge, and I don't intend
to
> >> > start now.
> >>
> >> It's not up to you.
> >
> > Maybe not but what I say has a bearing on the potential for it.
Therefore I
> > have an influence which appears to be a pretty major one.
>
> definite bearing.
Quite.
>
> >
> >>
> >> > How many people do you kf? Because I've never done it before bar one
> > extreme
> >> > example, and I'd like never to do it again.
> >>
> >> It's not good to KF some posters- It's good to keep track of what they
are
> >> doing.
> >
> > So you *do* make a habit of KF'ing some people? That's something I will
> > never do - I think it's a bit perverse to the point of the web - freedom
of
> > speech.
>
> Freedom of speech is the right to speak, not the right to be heard. You
may
> find that a poster has nothing worthwile to say (e.g. a spammer) and you
put
> them in the bozo bin so you never have to see their crap again. And this
> isn't the web (*sigh*).
Depends on how you look at it. It's, on the majority of traffic, transported
on the Internet hardswareso you could say it's one and the same as the web
especially how the 'under the hood' activity is so transparent to the user,
thanks, or not, to good old Microsoft.
Or you could view it as being a separate network from the Internet for a
different purpose to surfing and requiring a newsclient..
Point of view I suppose.
>
> > I can't KF someone in person, so why should I do to them in text?
>
> I am sure there are people you choose not to listen to. And it is a very
> human act just to walk away or find something else to do when you don't
want
> to listen to someone.
But there *are* distinct differences to the way 'in person' conduct occurs
compared to usenet.
Like that person may harass you and annoy you in person, but on the web you
can escape them pretty easy, and they really can't harm you at all.
>
> >> > Actually, I must have formatted since because I have 0 kf's now.
It'll
> >> > stay that way.
> >> >>
> >> >> > Or do you choose the posts yourself?
> >> >>
> >> >> Who else would choose the posts? ;)
> >> >
> >> > I was meaning that as soon as you set a 'k' against me, that every
> >> > subsequent post would put me one closer to kf, or that you simply
take a
> >> > look at what I say, then decide, 'yup, I'll put that one on the
tally'.
> >>
> >> I press the keyboard "K"...it's a manual, not automatic.
> >
> > What news client do you use?
>
> slrn. You can read the headers to messages in order to see what a poster's
> newsreader is.
>
> >> >>
> >> >> You got a -1111 every time I called up one of your messages (that I
> >> >> posted the messageID's to earlier).
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> > That's not fair!
> >>
> >> LOL! You made me laugh...+1111. Your only at -6666 now.
> >>
> >> D-6666 74:[Danny ]
> >
> > Oh great - for every entertaining post I provide I improve in your KF
tally
> > (!)
> > Should I start juggling?
>
> No.
Why not? I'm quite good.
>But I can see the *maybe* you're not a bad sort.
No I'm not - I don't microwave goldfish, eat hamsters, or chew the heads off
bats. And as yet I've no fixation for donkeys.
(Very British humour there, it's an acquired taste)
>But I will keep you at
> -6666 just so I don't have to run up the scale again :)
>
I'd personally prefer 666 but that's just me ;)