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Rocky
Aug 6, 2012, 7:56:08 PM8/6/12
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It has been a long time since I've received a legitimate e-mail with one of
my yahoo e-mail addresses.
Before, when my e-mail was on AT&T's Server there was a way to return an
e-mail to all the SPAMERS but I don't see how to do that now.
What I am thinking of doing is forwarding the e-mail to a bogus e-mail
address and then that should bounce it back too.
Any input?
TIA
Rocky
my yahoo e-mail addresses.
Before, when my e-mail was on AT&T's Server there was a way to return an
e-mail to all the SPAMERS but I don't see how to do that now.
What I am thinking of doing is forwarding the e-mail to a bogus e-mail
address and then that should bounce it back too.
Any input?
TIA
Rocky
Beauregard T. Shagnasty
Aug 6, 2012, 8:21:01 PM8/6/12
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Rocky wrote:
> It has been a long time since I've received a legitimate e-mail with one
> of my yahoo e-mail addresses.
>
> Before, when my e-mail was on AT&T's Server there was a way to return an
> e-mail to all the SPAMERS but I don't see how to do that now.
Don't do that. Spammers routinely use FROM addresses of legitimate people,
> It has been a long time since I've received a legitimate e-mail with one
> of my yahoo e-mail addresses.
>
> Before, when my e-mail was on AT&T's Server there was a way to return an
> e-mail to all the SPAMERS but I don't see how to do that now.
so all you will be doing is further annoying an innocent victim.
> What I am thinking of doing is forwarding the e-mail to a bogus e-mail
> address and then that should bounce it back too.
addresses. Forget about bouncing spam. Just delete it.
--
-bts
-This space for rent, but the price is high
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Rocky
Aug 6, 2012, 9:15:16 PM8/6/12
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"Evan Platt" <ev...@theobvious.espphotography.com.invalid> wrote in message
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I certainly can not do anything to stop the sending of SPAM but I still
think there is something I can do to stop receiving all e-mail and I just
thought of an idea.
I'm going to see what it takes to fill my e-mail address up to the brim so I
can't receive anymore e-mail. Now, I wonder where I would go to find that
out because I can not find anything on my e-mail capacity.
FYI the place I'm trying to find my e-mail capacity at is
http://mail.yahoo.com
TIA
Rocky
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VanguardLH
Aug 6, 2012, 9:59:36 PM8/6/12
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"Rocky" wrote:
> It has been a long time since I've received a legitimate e-mail with
> one of my yahoo e-mail addresses.
So if all e-mails are spam through your Yahoo accounts, why do you still
> It has been a long time since I've received a legitimate e-mail with
> one of my yahoo e-mail addresses.
have them? Why are you spewing out your Yahoo e-mail address to
everyone that asks?
If you want to keep the Yahoo accounts but just keep them in reserve and
not use them then don't poll them to get that spam through them.
However, a free Yahoo Mail account will expire if left idle.
Configuring it to forward e-mails doesn't alter the account being idle.
Idle is measured as to how long between logins. You need to login once
in awhile to keep the free account from expiring. But that doesn't mean
you have to accept any e-mails at that account. Define a filter that
looks for some string being absent in the Subject header and deletes an
e-mail. Then define another filter that looks for the string to be in
the Subject header and, if present, deletes the e-mail. Either the
string will or won't be in the Subject, no other choices, so one of the
filters will fire to delete the received e-mail. Deleted items get
purged about once a week so your account won't fill up (but then you
don't care since you're not actually using the account).
Learn to use aliases (not forwarding services) to hide your true e-mail
address. You can start by reading around at spamgourmet.com.
Sneakemail is good, too, except they decided to stop providing a limited
free service a few years ago. There's SpamMotel but I don't care for
them. If you have a Yahoo Plus account then you can use it to define
aliases (but there might be limits, like how many you can define whereas
SpamGourmet is unlimited and self-expiring unless you specify
otherwise). Give a self-expiring alias to someone you definitely don't
trust, like someplace that requires you to register to login to get some
coupons you want. Use aliases with just about everyone that asks you
for an e-mail address. Make sure you give a UNIQUE alias to each
recipient so you can track who abuses an alias with spam. You can let
the alias expire, renew it, or kill it if it gets abused. I don't care
how well known is the recipient. It could be IBM, Sears, Intel, or
whomever. First give them an alias. After 6 months, or longer, when
you don't see the alias get abused then decide if you want to update
your account with them to give your true e-mail address. Using aliases
is a lot easier than having to create new temporary free e-mail accounts
at Hotmail, Yahoo, Gmail, or wherever. Plus with SpamGourmet, you can
create them on-the-fly without having to visit your SpamGourmet account
to create them.
> Before, when my e-mail was on AT&T's Server there was a way to return
> an e-mail to all the SPAMERS but I don't see how to do that now.
innocent the spammer pretended was their e-mail address. Once the
e-mail session between sending and receiving e-mail servers is over,
there is no proof as to the sender. The receiving server knows who
connected to it (the sending server) and can tell it at that time if it
rejects the e-mail. After that, there is NOTHING in the e-mail that
guarantees who was the sender. That means you or your e-mail provider,
after delivery into your mailbox, won't know for sure who sent that
e-mail. You or it relies on fields identifying the sender which the
sender inserted into that e-mail. That's like relying on a con artist
to tell you his real name. Uh huh.
Earthlink had the same bogus bounce feature. I don't know if they still
provide that option since a few of us participants at SpamCop got
Earthlink reported on that blacklist for their deliberately known
misdirected backscatter. As I recall, it had to be enabled by their
customers in their accounts and it was the LAST method used to handle
spam because it was the sloppiest method.
If I ever get your blind and misdirected backscatter (fake bounces), I
will report you to the public blacklists and to your e-mail provider as
a spam source. You and others like you sending fake bounces are as bad
as the spammers (not in volume but in action).
> What I am thinking of doing is forwarding the e-mail to a bogus e-mail
> address and then that should bounce it back too.
account doesn't exist, and with a properly configuring receiving e-mail
server, it will check if the username has an account with that server.
The receiving mail server will then reject the e-mail transaction. That
means YOUR sending server gets the rejection and YOU will get the NDR.
If the receiving mail server is misconfigured to accept all e-mails and
then, sometime AFTER the e-mail session it had with the sending mail
server, decides if it can deliver the e-mail. If it is then
undeliverable, all it has are the return-path header that the *sender*
put in their e-mail. So the bounce goes back to where the *sender*
claimed was their e-mail address. That's how spammers can use
misconfigured mail servers to bounce their spam from bogus
(non-existent) accounts out to where the spammer claimed was their
e-mail address which is really the secondary victim targeted by the
spammer or simply to another invalid e-mail address so the bounce will
itself get rejected.
Stop trying to generate backscatter. It is considered spam and
reportable to your e-mail provider, to your ISP, and to the public
blacklists for your fake bounces that hit innocents. You obviously
don't know how the e-mail system works. Your fake bounces won't hit any
spammer. Your fake bounces may, though, hit innocents where then *YOU*
are the spammer.
Also of note is that if you ever did manage to hit a spammer, why would
you think that would hurt them? Gee, let's see, they're sending e-mails
to unknown e-mail addresses. They don't know for sure that the e-mail
addresses are valid. But, gee, you're totally willing to tell the
spammer that yours is valid. Which do you think is most important to a
spammer: sending millions of their turds to unknown e-mail addresses or
having those boobs that do get their spam identify to the spammer that
they hit a valid e-mail address? Spammers very much want to get lists
of e-mail addresses that have proven legitimate. And you're going to
help them update their active/valid list. Uh huh, real smart.
Here's a canned reply I wrote up awhile ago:
The bounce feature in any e-mail client is stupid and irresponsible
primarily because ignorant users will actually believe the software
author is providing an appropriate feature and that it will somehow
avoid further spam. Spammers do not use their own e-mail address.
Instead they use a bogus one (which may be a valid e-mail address for
some user) or they use one that they've already stolen and is often
included in the recipient list of e-mail addresses. Spammers change
their e-mails every time they spew so blocking on the one they used last
time won't eliminate getting their crap when they next spew. Spammers
rely on the ignorance of e-mail users that believe using blacklists
and/or bouncing by the sender's claimed e-mail address has any effect on
reducing received spam.
- Blocking by the sender's e-mail will NOT eliminate spam in your
mailbox. The spammer's e-mail address changes at their will.
- Bouncing based on the return-path headers in an e-mail will NEVER hit
the spammer. Only boobs think the spammer will identify themself.
YOU are not connected during the mail session between the sending and
receiving mail servers so you have absolutely no means to guarantee of
knowing from the return-path headers (e.g., From or Reply-To) as to who
sent you a spam mail. The sender can put anything they want in there.
Even mail servers that first accept a message, end the mail session with
the sending mail host, and then check afterward if the e-mail address is
valid or not and then try to send a *new* message back to the sender
will get it wrong. If a valid IP address of the sender is included in a
Received header, that does NOT provide you with an e-mail address to
which you can bounce back their spam. You cannot rely on the
return-path headers to guarantee identifying the true sender. These
bounces are sent blind!
The spammer isn't going to identify themself to receive that bounce. Now
consider that only aren't you the receiving mail server but you are even
further removed from the mail session between the sending and receiving
mail hosts. There is nothing in your e-mail client that can absolutely
guarantee who is the sender of the spam you got in your Inbox, so
bouncing it anywhere means wasting bandwidth for you to send the bounce,
disk space and bandwidtch by your mail server to attempt to deliver your
bounce, disk space and CPU cycles for the receiving mail host to accept
your bogus bounce mail, and some innocent getting slapped with your
misdirected bounce (which, by the way, can be reported to blacklists as
backscatter and get you blacklisted).
Think about it for all of 10 seconds, if even that long. Would you like
to be the victim of a "mail bombing" because some spammer usurped your
e-mail address, sends out a million copies of their crap with you
identified as the sender, and then all those boobs using e-mail clients
with a bounce option end up filling your mailbox with all their
misdirected bounces?
Any e-mail client that provides a bounce option are irresponsible
software authors. Ignorant users sending misdirected bounces are
irresponsible e-mail users. Have a read at:
http://spamlinks.net/prevent-secure-backscatter-fake.htm
http://spamlinks.net/prevent-secure-backscatter.htm
Warning: If you send me backscatter, like misdirected bounces which to
me are unsolicited and hence spam, I will report you to blacklists, like
at SpamCop, for your irresponsible and ignorant use of flawed anti-spam
schemes. If you punish me with your backscatter, I will punish you! I'm
not the only one with this attitude. There are plenty of spam reporters
out there and they will report you, too. It is not up to the rest of us
to placate your sensitivity for your spam problem by being your victim.
Get a responsible anti-spam solution.
Beauregard T. Shagnasty
Aug 6, 2012, 10:24:00 PM8/6/12
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Rocky wrote:
> I certainly can not do anything to stop the sending of SPAM but I still
> think there is something I can do to stop receiving all e-mail and I
> just thought of an idea.
<blink!>
> I certainly can not do anything to stop the sending of SPAM but I still
> think there is something I can do to stop receiving all e-mail and I
> just thought of an idea.
> I'm going to see what it takes to fill my e-mail address up to the brim
> so I can't receive anymore e-mail. Now, I wonder where I would go to
> find that out because I can not find anything on my e-mail capacity.
the FROM addresses. Remember those innocent victims? Don't do this.
If you don't receive any legitimate email at this address, why don't you
simply ignore the address? Or, delete it.
Mike Easter
Aug 7, 2012, 12:12:30 AM8/7/12
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Rocky wrote:
> It has been a long time since I've received a legitimate e-mail with one of
> my yahoo e-mail addresses.
Do you use yahoo webmail or an email client POPing the yahoo account?
> It has been a long time since I've received a legitimate e-mail with one of
> my yahoo e-mail addresses.
> Before, when my e-mail was on AT&T's Server there was a way to return an
> e-mail to all the SPAMERS but I don't see how to do that now.
which sends an email to the From which is not at all returning spam to
its source generator.
The only thing close to returning spam to its source is when a server
refuses to accept for delivery a mail which has spammish characteristics
based on its source IP or other features. Any mail which is accepted by
the server for delivery to your inbox cannot be 'returned' to its
sourcing IP, there can only be a 'correspondence' with the email From
which is bogus in the case of spam, and the bogus From address is most
often a real address just like spam recipient addresses.
> What I am thinking of doing is forwarding the e-mail to a bogus e-mail
> address and then that should bounce it back too.
If you have no use for the account you should disable/cancel it
permanently.
Unlike some mail accounts which allow you to whitelist your contacts and
allow everything else to go into suspect and ultimately discarded like
spam, yahoo doesn't do/offer that whitelist only feature.
And yahoo's mailbox capacity is unlimited.
> Any input?
I recently acquired a test yahoo account and almost all of the
unsolicited mail is being put into the spam folder.
That is, there is nothing wrong with my virgin yahoo account. If you
have a spam-magnet yahoo address that is of no use to you, you should
discard it and do a better job of creating and protecting your email
addresses in the future.
--
Mike Easter
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Beauregard T. Shagnasty
Aug 7, 2012, 6:58:32 AM8/7/12
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Sqwertz wrote:
> Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote:
>> If you would accomplish that, then all this spam will get bounced back
>> to the FROM addresses. Remember those innocent victims? Don't do this.
>
> So now it's the receivers responsibility to accept the email so that it
> doesn't bounce or get returned as undeliverable?
You've missed the point.
> That's bullshit. There's already going to be hundreds, thousands,
> hundreds of thousands, of bounced email going back ot the originating
> address anyway. It's not the spam recipients moral responsibility to
> reduce that load by one lousy bounce. It is the victim's responsibility
> to filter it out (if they choose to continue using the compromised email
> address).
It is the spam recipient's responsibility to not *increase* bounces by
sending spam to innocent FROM addresses (the victims I was referring to)
who are likely already getting enough/too much in the way of bounces.
Remember, the spammers don't get any of the bounces.
> Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote:
>> If you would accomplish that, then all this spam will get bounced back
>> to the FROM addresses. Remember those innocent victims? Don't do this.
>
> doesn't bounce or get returned as undeliverable?
You've missed the point.
> That's bullshit. There's already going to be hundreds, thousands,
> hundreds of thousands, of bounced email going back ot the originating
> address anyway. It's not the spam recipients moral responsibility to
> reduce that load by one lousy bounce. It is the victim's responsibility
> to filter it out (if they choose to continue using the compromised email
> address).
It is the spam recipient's responsibility to not *increase* bounces by
sending spam to innocent FROM addresses (the victims I was referring to)
who are likely already getting enough/too much in the way of bounces.
Remember, the spammers don't get any of the bounces.
Rocky
Aug 7, 2012, 6:38:27 PM8/7/12
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"Mike Easter" <Mi...@ster.invalid> wrote in message
news:a8bita...@mid.individual.net...
> Rocky wrote:
>> It has been a long time since I've received a legitimate e-mail with one
>> of
>> my yahoo e-mail addresses.
>
> Do you use yahoo webmail or an email client POPing the yahoo account?
Since att.net moved all their e-mail address to yahoo.com I have been using
>> It has been a long time since I've received a legitimate e-mail with one
>> of
>> my yahoo e-mail addresses.
>
> Do you use yahoo webmail or an email client POPing the yahoo account?
a pop3 client and I noticed that if you setup a new yahoo e-mail account
today you can not use it with a pop3 client.
Oh, I have also seen that I can use mail.yahoo.com to move all that shit
e-mail to a SPAM folder but it just keeps comming in and yahoo doesn't seem
to be doing anything to help stop them. And on top of that, if they move
e-mail to the SPAM folder themselves they delete it in 30 days. If I move
it to the SPAM folder it seems to stay there for months and I don't know why
that is.
>> Before, when my e-mail was on AT&T's Server there was a way to return an
>> e-mail to all the SPAMERS but I don't see how to do that now.
>
> That is not correct. Yahoo and some others have a 'vacation' function
> which sends an email to the From which is not at all returning spam to its
> source generator.
> The only thing close to returning spam to its source is when a server
> refuses to accept for delivery a mail which has spammish characteristics
> based on its source IP or other features. Any mail which is accepted by
> the server for delivery to your inbox cannot be 'returned' to its sourcing
> IP, there can only be a 'correspondence' with the email From which is
> bogus in the case of spam, and the bogus From address is most often a real
> address just like spam recipient addresses.
>
>> What I am thinking of doing is forwarding the e-mail to a bogus e-mail
>> address and then that should bounce it back too.
>
> Bad idea for the reasons described above.
>
> If you have no use for the account you should disable/cancel it
> permanently.
until I re-route those to another e-mail I can't cancel it.
> Unlike some mail accounts which allow you to whitelist your contacts and
> allow everything else to go into suspect and ultimately discarded like
> spam, yahoo doesn't do/offer that whitelist only feature.
>
> And yahoo's mailbox capacity is unlimited.
>> Any input?
>
> I recently acquired a test yahoo account and almost all of the unsolicited
> mail is being put into the spam folder.
after that happened I turned off their automatic SPAM checking.
> That is, there is nothing wrong with my virgin yahoo account. If you have
> a spam-magnet yahoo address that is of no use to you, you should discard
> it and do a better job of creating and protecting your email addresses in
> the future.
around because I have two e-mail accounts I use for newsgroups and only this
one gets a shit load of SPAM. And the SPAM seems to get a lot worse right
after I use that place.
VanguardLH
Aug 7, 2012, 8:43:25 PM8/7/12
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"Rocky" wrote:
> "Mike Easter" wrote ...
service level to get POP access. I don't know what your ISP (AT&T) is
doing for contracting with Yahoo for e-mail services. It sounds like
you went to Yahoo to create a new e-mail address instead of using the
e-mail service from AT&T (that contracts with Yahoo for that e-mail
service). Anyone can get a new free Yahoo Mail account, even those
that are ATT customers, but if they get it outside of their ISP then
they're just getting the same freebie accounts that everyone else gets
- and that means no POP access.
There used to be a trick that you could get a free Yahoo Mail account
(in the USA) but switch its regional settings to Asia. The Asia region
for Yahoo still provided POP access to the e-mail accounts (which also
meant you could use the forwarding and aliasing services, too).
However, I can't see those same regional settings anymore. I had my
account (USA) switched to the Asia region and was able to get POP
access for awhile but Yahoo caught onto that (since it was published
lots of places in Interet) and killed that access so my Asia-regioned
account would no longer permit POP access (it was okay, then it got
flaky, and now it doesn't work at all).
If your ISP (ATT) is contracting with Yahoo for e-mail services, you
have to use your ISP's e-mail service (via Yahoo) to get POP access.
You going out to independently getting a Yahoo account will, like for
the rest of us, result in getting a freebie account and that does NOT
include the POP access, forwarding, or aliasing features.
It is unclear why you are now using your own freebie Yahoo Mail
account. Are you no longer an ATT customer which means you lost
availability to their e-mail service that was contracted with Yahoo?
If so, you're in the same boat with everyone else that gets a freebie
Yahoo Mail account: very few regions permit POP access to freebie
accounts (I don't know if any do anymore).
> Oh, I have also seen that I can use mail.yahoo.com to move all that
> shit e-mail to a SPAM folder but it just keeps comming in and yahoo
> doesn't seem to be doing anything to help stop them.
Did you check that spam filtering was enabled on your Yahoo account?
I've gotten extremely few spam e-mails but then I haven't published my
e-mail address anywhere for the last couple of years (I occasionally
get update inquiries from headhunters that find my old resumes) as it
is, for now, just a reserved account (that I have to remind myself via
calendar to login every 4-6 months to keep the otherwise idle account
from expiring).
> And on top of that, if they move e-mail to the SPAM folder themselves
> they delete it in 30 days. If I move it to the SPAM folder it seems
> to stay there for months and I don't know why that is.
You moving it does not initiate a spam update to them. You've moved an
item from one folder to another. Did you report the spam to them?
Even that's not going to remove the spam item. YOU moved it there
(manually or by rule) so it's your responsibility to do the cleanup.
http://help.yahoo.com/kb/index?page=content&id=SLN3518&actp=search&viewlocale=en_US&searchid=1344385187149&locale=en_US&y=PROD_MAIL_ML
So why haven't you configured the expiration for your Spam folder? I
don't know why items would remain for longer than a month since that's
the longest interval they let you configure. You might also want to
ensure that you never show images by default in spam mails (to avoid
web beacons) and the option "Automatically move spam to Spam folder" is
enabled.
>> Yahoo and some others have a 'vacation' function which sends an email
>> to the From which is not at all returning spam to its source
>> generator.
>
> Oh yeah. I forgot about that and I have set that up for another two
> months.
The max interval for which you can configure their auto-responder is 6
months minus a day. Then their auto-responder is disabled and you'll
have to reconfigure it for another 6 months. The auto-responder works
on the From header. Oh, you really thought spammers use their true
e-mail address? Uh huh. Enjoy getting misdirected auto-response
e-mails from other users that do the same thing when the spammer
pretends he owns your e-mail address. I've seen users wonder why they
suddenly get 3000 NDRs or auto-response messages who never sent the
e-mails that would generate them.
>> If you have no use for the account you should disable/cancel it
>> permanently.
>
> Unfortunately, I use that e-mail address with about 3 legitimate
> places and until I re-route those to another e-mail I can't cancel
> it.
Then define a rule that looks for those senders (by their name or
e-mail address) and leaves them in your Inbox; i.e., create a "Keep -
Safe Sender" rule. Yahoo doesn't provide for a Safe Sender whitelist
feature so you have to do it by a rule. They have a blacklist but no
whitelist. Add another rule that then trashes all other e-mails.
Again, Yahoo doesn't make an easy rule to discard all other e-mails,
like letting you define a negative rule (delete all e-mails UNLESS from
known good senders). So the trash rule would look for a string in the
Subject header that is likely never to appear, like
"!any#test@@string+%+long#enough.not.likely-to==appear*in?subject:hdr".
That will eliminate your Yahoo Mail account's disk quota from getting
consumed which would render it effectively disabled (no more e-mails
can be received) since the Trash folder gets emptied occasionally. The
only e-mails left in your Inbox are the ones you allowed via your Safe
Sender or whitelist rule.
> Yes, that is true but it also put a legitamate e-mail in the SPAM
> folder and after that happened I turned off their automatic SPAM
> checking.
But if you define your own whitelist rule then e-mails from those known
good senders won't end up in the Spam folder. This is how, for
example, I create an opt-in account. In Hotmail, I can set that
account to exclusive mode so only senders in my contacts list will have
their e-mails remain in the Inbox. All other e-mails get trashed. No
such feature with Yahoo Mail (or even with my ISP's e-mail service).
So I have to define a whitelist rule. Everytime I register with a
forum or subscribe to a newsletter, I add their domain or e-mail
address to my whitelist rule to keep their e-mails in my Inbox. All
other e-mails get trashed by another rule. If I haven't opted them
into my account, their e-mails don't get delivered to (or stay in) my
Inbox.
> I'm wondering if one of the places I gave that e-mail address to
> passed it around because I have two e-mail accounts I use for
> newsgroups and only this one gets a shit load of SPAM. And the SPAM
> seems to get a lot worse right after I use that place.
See my other reply which mentions using an aliasing service to hide
your true e-mail address.
> "Mike Easter" wrote ...
>
>> Do you use yahoo webmail or an email client POPing the yahoo account?
>
> Since att.net moved all their e-mail address to yahoo.com I have been
> using a pop3 client and I noticed that if you setup a new yahoo
> e-mail account today you can not use it with a pop3 client.
Free accounts do not get POP access. You have to pay for their Plus
>> Do you use yahoo webmail or an email client POPing the yahoo account?
>
> Since att.net moved all their e-mail address to yahoo.com I have been
> using a pop3 client and I noticed that if you setup a new yahoo
> e-mail account today you can not use it with a pop3 client.
service level to get POP access. I don't know what your ISP (AT&T) is
doing for contracting with Yahoo for e-mail services. It sounds like
you went to Yahoo to create a new e-mail address instead of using the
e-mail service from AT&T (that contracts with Yahoo for that e-mail
service). Anyone can get a new free Yahoo Mail account, even those
that are ATT customers, but if they get it outside of their ISP then
they're just getting the same freebie accounts that everyone else gets
- and that means no POP access.
There used to be a trick that you could get a free Yahoo Mail account
(in the USA) but switch its regional settings to Asia. The Asia region
for Yahoo still provided POP access to the e-mail accounts (which also
meant you could use the forwarding and aliasing services, too).
However, I can't see those same regional settings anymore. I had my
account (USA) switched to the Asia region and was able to get POP
access for awhile but Yahoo caught onto that (since it was published
lots of places in Interet) and killed that access so my Asia-regioned
account would no longer permit POP access (it was okay, then it got
flaky, and now it doesn't work at all).
If your ISP (ATT) is contracting with Yahoo for e-mail services, you
have to use your ISP's e-mail service (via Yahoo) to get POP access.
You going out to independently getting a Yahoo account will, like for
the rest of us, result in getting a freebie account and that does NOT
include the POP access, forwarding, or aliasing features.
It is unclear why you are now using your own freebie Yahoo Mail
account. Are you no longer an ATT customer which means you lost
availability to their e-mail service that was contracted with Yahoo?
If so, you're in the same boat with everyone else that gets a freebie
Yahoo Mail account: very few regions permit POP access to freebie
accounts (I don't know if any do anymore).
> Oh, I have also seen that I can use mail.yahoo.com to move all that
> shit e-mail to a SPAM folder but it just keeps comming in and yahoo
> doesn't seem to be doing anything to help stop them.
I've gotten extremely few spam e-mails but then I haven't published my
e-mail address anywhere for the last couple of years (I occasionally
get update inquiries from headhunters that find my old resumes) as it
is, for now, just a reserved account (that I have to remind myself via
calendar to login every 4-6 months to keep the otherwise idle account
from expiring).
> And on top of that, if they move e-mail to the SPAM folder themselves
> they delete it in 30 days. If I move it to the SPAM folder it seems
> to stay there for months and I don't know why that is.
item from one folder to another. Did you report the spam to them?
Even that's not going to remove the spam item. YOU moved it there
(manually or by rule) so it's your responsibility to do the cleanup.
http://help.yahoo.com/kb/index?page=content&id=SLN3518&actp=search&viewlocale=en_US&searchid=1344385187149&locale=en_US&y=PROD_MAIL_ML
So why haven't you configured the expiration for your Spam folder? I
don't know why items would remain for longer than a month since that's
the longest interval they let you configure. You might also want to
ensure that you never show images by default in spam mails (to avoid
web beacons) and the option "Automatically move spam to Spam folder" is
enabled.
>> Yahoo and some others have a 'vacation' function which sends an email
>> to the From which is not at all returning spam to its source
>> generator.
>
> Oh yeah. I forgot about that and I have set that up for another two
> months.
months minus a day. Then their auto-responder is disabled and you'll
have to reconfigure it for another 6 months. The auto-responder works
on the From header. Oh, you really thought spammers use their true
e-mail address? Uh huh. Enjoy getting misdirected auto-response
e-mails from other users that do the same thing when the spammer
pretends he owns your e-mail address. I've seen users wonder why they
suddenly get 3000 NDRs or auto-response messages who never sent the
e-mails that would generate them.
>> If you have no use for the account you should disable/cancel it
>> permanently.
>
> Unfortunately, I use that e-mail address with about 3 legitimate
> places and until I re-route those to another e-mail I can't cancel
> it.
e-mail address) and leaves them in your Inbox; i.e., create a "Keep -
Safe Sender" rule. Yahoo doesn't provide for a Safe Sender whitelist
feature so you have to do it by a rule. They have a blacklist but no
whitelist. Add another rule that then trashes all other e-mails.
Again, Yahoo doesn't make an easy rule to discard all other e-mails,
like letting you define a negative rule (delete all e-mails UNLESS from
known good senders). So the trash rule would look for a string in the
Subject header that is likely never to appear, like
"!any#test@@string+%+long#enough.not.likely-to==appear*in?subject:hdr".
That will eliminate your Yahoo Mail account's disk quota from getting
consumed which would render it effectively disabled (no more e-mails
can be received) since the Trash folder gets emptied occasionally. The
only e-mails left in your Inbox are the ones you allowed via your Safe
Sender or whitelist rule.
> Yes, that is true but it also put a legitamate e-mail in the SPAM
> folder and after that happened I turned off their automatic SPAM
> checking.
good senders won't end up in the Spam folder. This is how, for
example, I create an opt-in account. In Hotmail, I can set that
account to exclusive mode so only senders in my contacts list will have
their e-mails remain in the Inbox. All other e-mails get trashed. No
such feature with Yahoo Mail (or even with my ISP's e-mail service).
So I have to define a whitelist rule. Everytime I register with a
forum or subscribe to a newsletter, I add their domain or e-mail
address to my whitelist rule to keep their e-mails in my Inbox. All
other e-mails get trashed by another rule. If I haven't opted them
into my account, their e-mails don't get delivered to (or stay in) my
Inbox.
> I'm wondering if one of the places I gave that e-mail address to
> passed it around because I have two e-mail accounts I use for
> newsgroups and only this one gets a shit load of SPAM. And the SPAM
> seems to get a lot worse right after I use that place.
your true e-mail address.
Rocky
Aug 7, 2012, 9:04:53 PM8/7/12
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"VanguardLH" <V...@nguard.LH> wrote in message
news:jvscn8$5b1$1...@news.albasani.net...
> "Rocky" wrote:
>
>> "Mike Easter" wrote ...
>>
>>> Do you use yahoo webmail or an email client POPing the yahoo account?
>>
>> Since att.net moved all their e-mail address to yahoo.com I have been
>> using a pop3 client and I noticed that if you setup a new yahoo
>> e-mail account today you can not use it with a pop3 client.
>
> Free accounts do not get POP access. You have to pay for their Plus
> service level to get POP access. I don't know what your ISP (AT&T) is
> doing for contracting with Yahoo for e-mail services. It sounds like
> you went to Yahoo to create a new e-mail address instead of using the
> e-mail service from AT&T (that contracts with Yahoo for that e-mail
> service). Anyone can get a new free Yahoo Mail account, even those
> that are ATT customers, but if they get it outside of their ISP then
> they're just getting the same freebie accounts that everyone else gets
> - and that means no POP access.
This is just a quick reply to part of your post.
>
>> "Mike Easter" wrote ...
>>
>>> Do you use yahoo webmail or an email client POPing the yahoo account?
>>
>> Since att.net moved all their e-mail address to yahoo.com I have been
>> using a pop3 client and I noticed that if you setup a new yahoo
>> e-mail account today you can not use it with a pop3 client.
>
> Free accounts do not get POP access. You have to pay for their Plus
> service level to get POP access. I don't know what your ISP (AT&T) is
> doing for contracting with Yahoo for e-mail services. It sounds like
> you went to Yahoo to create a new e-mail address instead of using the
> e-mail service from AT&T (that contracts with Yahoo for that e-mail
> service). Anyone can get a new free Yahoo Mail account, even those
> that are ATT customers, but if they get it outside of their ISP then
> they're just getting the same freebie accounts that everyone else gets
> - and that means no POP access.
When AT&T Worldnet closed up shop they moved all 6 of my att.net e-mail
addresses over to yahoo.com. I lost a lot of the things I used to be able
to do with those e-mail addresses like setup up personal web pages but I
still have all 6 of my att.net e-mail addresses and I can still use pop3
e-mail access. The cool thing is, I don't have to pay for dial up service
to keep those 6 e-mail addresses and haven't had dial up internet for a long
time.
Rocky
VanguardLH
Aug 7, 2012, 9:26:27 PM8/7/12
to
create you an opt-in account so only known good senders will show up in
your Inbox. You can keep those exclusive-mode Yahoo accounts without
getting any other e-mails, including spam, until you get those good
senders migrated to your other e-mail addresses.
Ben Myers
Aug 8, 2012, 10:44:37 AM8/8/12
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"Rocky" <woo...@att.net> wrote in message news:qIKdnUO_07QOxL3N...@giganews.com...
A lot of spam is produced automatically by hijacked computers with forged
return addresses without the user's knowledge. A significant amount of these
probably do get bounced, so adding yours might not even be noticed.
According to Yahoo, just marking messages as spam essentially reports them
as such.
http://help.yahoo.com/kb/index?page=content&y=PROD_MAIL_ML&locale=en_US&id=SLN3402&impressions=true
Ben
return addresses without the user's knowledge. A significant amount of these
probably do get bounced, so adding yours might not even be noticed.
According to Yahoo, just marking messages as spam essentially reports them
as such.
http://help.yahoo.com/kb/index?page=content&y=PROD_MAIL_ML&locale=en_US&id=SLN3402&impressions=true
Ben
Rocky
Aug 8, 2012, 6:32:42 PM8/8/12
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"Ben Myers" <benj...@REMOVEmindspring.com> wrote in message
news:oKGdnely2rDF5r_N...@earthlink.com...
Thanks and I've gone back to using their site to mark messages as SPAM but I
sure wish there was an easier way to flag messages without flagging all of
them.
Rocky
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