PC/WiFi
OldGringo38
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> disadvantages of using WiFi on a home PC?
Advantages Or Disadvantages Of Wifi
Many people believe that WIFI has transformed the world of technology by
quite a huge leap. While there are many benefits of it, we also need to
take a look at the disadvantages that come with such technology. Then
you can decide for yourself what the value is and take precautions when
you need to.
The convenience of being able to get an internet connection when you
weren’t able to before is the biggest advantage. The ability to use a
WIFI card to access the internet on your laptop while on the go saves
people a great deal of time. It allows them to do work and even to have
entertainment when they are away from home. With WI-FI you can access
the internet in locations where you never were able to do before.
Yet it can be expensive to pay for WIFI service including those wireless
cards. Sometimes they will offer you a low price or a slow connection
though. You will have to pay more if you want faster service. That is
definitely a sore spot with many people because they feel it is just a
money making operation on the behalf of the providers.
You do have to make sure you are within range of the receiver though or
you won’t be able to fully access the internet. You may have a very weak
connection and need to move around some to find the right place to get
the strongest signal possible. This can be a lot of guess work and
trying to figure out where you are best going to benefit from WIFI.
You may have to update your electronic devices though in order to take
advantage of WIFI offers. There are USB plug ins and adaptors though so
try them out before you go buy a whole new laptop. Still, the additional
investment isn’t something that most people feel good about in order to
access this. The good news is that the cost is decreasing all the time
so you can get these items cheaper now than in the past.
You will find that these WIFI adaptors are very simple to configure and
to get operating. This is good news because most of us just want to be
able to turn on the computer and have access. We don’t want to deal with
the complex elements of it that go on behind the scenes. In the old days
we simply used wired cable but of course this doesn't give you the
freedom to walk around as we get when we have a WLAN in place. I'm sure
we have all been in an office where there are cables going to all the
computers and looks a bit of a mess one of the great advantages of
having a wireless network less wire and less messa from cables.
On the downside though you have the issue of people out there using WIFI
for their own benefit that can be harmful to you. They try to find
networks that aren’t secure and this allows them to gain access to your
personal information. Security should be a priority to protect your
network when you are setting up a wireless network. If you have somebody
else putting this in place in your building you want to make sure that
they have encryption enabled this will help to protect your data and
keep your information secure. Some people are out there driving around
just trying to see where they can gain such access. It really is scary,
and there is very little chance that these criminals will get caught.
A friend of mine who is a little bit worried a couple of things when
setting up his network he had already bought a wi-fi router device and
this particular solution was able to encrypt his information and as I
told him all wireless networks can be set up in this way that your data
is protected when transferring from your PC. It's amazing the amount of
people out there that still think that this will not work for fact is
that it does work very easily.
http://mobile.ie/wireless/boosting-wireless-lan-signals/advantages-or-disadvantages-of-wifi.php#
******
I've been connected wirelessly for four years now - I wouldn't connect
to the Internet any other way!
A router, a requirement, is an extra physical barrier to keep the bad
guys out of your machine! :)
HTH
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Mike Easter
> What are some of the disadvantages of using WiFi on a home PC?
>
Sometimes a learning curve if everything doesn't 'just work' out of the
box; there are some strange stories troubleshooting first time networkers.
--
Mike Easter
Gregory Shearman is aka General Greg She-Man
> What are some of the disadvantages of using WiFi on a home PC?
>
None! I use Cricket's wireless on this laptop, and I can be anywhere in
the US and connect wirelessly to the Internet. I do banking and connect
to work remotely with no problems using wireless.
richard
> What are some of the disadvantages of using WiFi on a home PC?
very few if you secure the system.
Jenn
yep .. my son showed me one day how that's done. He was taking networking
and internet security at vo-tech and took me for a ride in our neighborhood
with his laptop and showed me all of the unsecured networks. He went
nextdoor and told our neighbor that his was unsecure and the next day my son
couldn't find it available anymore LOL
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Jenn (from Oklahoma)
OldGringo38
Two Cents To The ~BD~ Post:
> On 23/01/2010 23:33, OldGringo38 wrote:
>> disadvantages of using WiFi on a home PC?
>
>
> Advantages Or Disadvantages Of Wifi
>
OldGringo38
OldGringo38
~BD~
> In The Beginning God Created The Heavens And Earth, Then I Added My
> Two Cents To The ~BD~ Post:
>> On 23/01/2010 23:33, OldGringo38 wrote:
>>> disadvantages of using WiFi on a home PC?
>>
>>
>> Advantages Or Disadvantages Of Wifi
>>
> Thank You
>
You are welcome! ;)
For home-users - no problem as far as I'm concerned!
FYI - My son, an RAF Helicopter pilot until 12 months ago, advised me
that neither the USAF (he was with them for 4 years in Albuquerque, NM)
OR the Royal Air Force allow their own computers to be connected wirelessly!
The navy, when afloat, do! :)
OldGringo38
> On Sat, 23 Jan 2010 17:33:50 -0600, OldGringo38 wrote:
>
>> What are some of the disadvantages of using WiFi on a home PC?
>
> very few if you secure the system.
have a couple of issues and when I talk to AT&T/Yahoo tech support
they first up blame the WiFi. One of the issues is when I check
multiple email accounts at AT&T/Yahoo the first goes ok and the
second will timeout. The other issue is when surfing I frequently
get a server not found error, and on try again, bingo it's there.
That said, I use TB as email client and when it checks the multiple
accounts at AT&T/Yahoo automatically periodically all seems to go
well, only when I tell TB to check all accounts dose it hang.
Checking each account individually seems to work ok. I use FF as
default browser however I experience the same type problem on IE8,
Chrome, Safari, and Opera. It's either server not found, or on some
sites long delays when loading the page. I have 6mb DSL and when
running a speed test it seems to zip right along. Virtually no
overhead to my first stop.
Mike Easter
> AT&T 2Wire gateway. It's just that I
> have a couple of issues and when I talk to AT&T/Yahoo tech support they
> first up blame the WiFi.
There's a problem there - between you and tech. A long time ago, a very
nice and knowledgeable tech person (those were the good old days) who
was in support of TimeWarner's cable support helped me to understand
something.
The provider is not 'in charge' of supporting your network. Under some
circumstances, in order to get any tech support out of a provider, you
have to 'disassemble' your network and connect one computer to the
broadband modem and work on your troubleshooting.
Only then is the tech person 'forced' to deal with whatever is your
issue. When you are looking at your computer that the tech is
troubleshooting and the computer is related to its wirelessness and a
router and its whims and then the modem, the tech's cookbook doesn't
cover your local network and its potential problems.
That tech person was willing to spend a little of his time to teach me a
few things about troubleshooting a network because the troubleshooting I
had done before calling him helped him make his insight helpful to me.
--
Mike Easter
Gregory Shearman is aka General Greg She-Man
A "home-user" secure wireless network can be hacked, if someone with
some expertise wanted to come after it. There are tools out there like
Aircrack and others to get the information needed to crack the
encryption key and hack the network.
Gregory Shearman is aka General Greg She-Man
Maybe, you need to post to alt.internet.wireless. They should be able to
give you somethings to look at that may help you.
Mike Easter
> A "home-user" secure wireless network can be hacked, if someone with
> some expertise wanted to come after it. There are tools out there like
> Aircrack and others to get the information needed to crack the
> encryption key and hack the network.
>
> http://www.speedguide.net/read_articles.php?id=2724
That article concedes that WPA with a decent passphrase is going to take
a very serious adversary with a lot of resources. I don't think it is
practical in a real life situation.
Someone would have to setup camp in range and work on it. As I look out
my windows, I wonder how that is going to come about. Is my closest
next door neighbor going to work on cracking my WPA? I don't think so.
I know my next door neighbors.
But, the concept that WEP is really really weak and almost fun to crack
is an important concept to take home from that article.
"I've got a good idea. The crossword puzzle is boring this morning.
Let's go crack somebody's WEP. I'll bring a thermos of coffee."
"I don't think we'll need a thermos; just a disposable cup with a lid."
--
Mike Easter
richard
To tech support, it's always the fault of something they have no control
over. In your case, the wifi router. I've had similar experiences and I'm
on verizon wireless? With nothing in between?
One time I get email just fine, the next I don't. Wait a few minutes, it
works. I just chalk it up to traffic. After all, the system can only handle
so much before it bogs down and whines.
As an example of bogging down the system, years ago well before the
internet, a cincinnati radio station was giving away a million dollars. At
one point, when it was time to call in to get a chance to register, just
dialing the first 3 digits of the number got you a busy signal. So the
phone company came up with an exchange just for the radio stations and
their contest lines.
skeeter
"OldGringo38" <NoE...@ThisOldHouse.Con> wrote in message
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speed would be different. routers are pretty easy to hook up but i would be
sure to set the routers password. it's all done online.
it's really not that easy to crack psk wpa, wpa2 once its set to your
password. i'm almost certain that even if they use your bandwidth, if your
firewall is decent, thats all you're gonna lose. some disagree but its easy
to research
Gregory Shearman is aka General Greg She-Man
Like I said, if someone with some expertise wanted to crack a wireless
network, come after it, it can be done. I am not talking about the next
door neighbor, that can hardly turn on a computer.
OldGringo38
> What are some of the disadvantages of using WiFi on a home PC?
>
Mara
On Sat, 23 Jan 2010 18:31:20 -0800, Evan Platt
<ev...@theobvious.espphotography.com> wrote:
>On Sat, 23 Jan 2010 16:55:46 -0700, richard <mem...@newsguy.com>
>wrote:
>
>>On Sat, 23 Jan 2010 17:33:50 -0600, OldGringo38 wrote:
>>
>>> What are some of the disadvantages of using WiFi on a home PC?
>>
>>very few if you secure the system.
>
>Game time. Fill in the blanks:
>
>Taking computer advice from RtS is like:
Eating razor blades while catching ebola, after being run over by a steamroller.
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duckstandard
Gregory Shearman is aka General Greg She-Man wrote:
With WPA,though the weakest link, is as weak as the passphrase.
Today you can get both a wireles card and a router for about $40 bucks
duckstandard
I am not a big fan of this but our 'local' police department(s) had
people out in our neighborhoods with handheld devices that told them
of wep wpa or totally unsecured networks.
They went to houses that they thought had the mostly unencrypted
signals and told them of 'whatever' element.
They warned of whatever people could be doing accessing their
networks.
-
Before that there was mostly totally unsecured home networks, that
everybody could could see and use.
But now, it's mostly WPA encrypted networks.
(except last christmas) lotta people obviously got new computers, got
high speed internet, and new routers
duckstandard
Two things I think are involved, wpa, and a good-passphrase.
chuckcar
news:s6cnl5d2s1s1k858c...@4ax.com:
> On Sat, 23 Jan 2010 16:55:46 -0700, richard <mem...@newsguy.com>
> wrote:
>
> Game time. Fill in the blanks:
>
> Taking computer advice from RtS is like:
> <Blank>
Believing any part of a post by Evan Platt.
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chuckcar
news:hjg10p$1a2$1...@news.eternal-september.org:
> What are some of the disadvantages of using WiFi on a home PC?
>
Aside from the other posts - most of which are actually helpful for a
change - the fact that it uses a frequency that is largely used because
it *doesn't* penetrate solid objects. A problem in an object which is
supported by them. Namely a house.
Jenn
"duckstandard" <duck...@lavabit.com> wrote in message
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>> yep .. my son showed me one day how that's done. He was taking
>> networking
>> and internet security at vo-tech and took me for a ride in our
>> neighborhood
>> with his laptop and showed me all of the unsecured networks. He went
>> nextdoor and told our neighbor that his was unsecure and the next day my
>> son
>> couldn't find it available anymore LOL
>>
>> --
>> Jenn (from Oklahoma)
>
> I am not a big fan of this but our 'local' police department(s) had
> people out in our neighborhoods with handheld devices that told them
> of wep wpa or totally unsecured networks.
<snip>
> But now, it's mostly WPA encrypted networks.
>
> (except last christmas) lotta people obviously got new computers, got
> high speed internet, and new routers
that is a good idea ... needless to say my son set up our encryption on our
network.
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Jenn (from Oklahoma)
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> What are some of the disadvantages of using WiFi on a home PC?
>
G00gle still banning you?
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> On Sun, 24 Jan 2010 15:24:01 +0000 (UTC), chuckcar
><ch...@nil.car>wrote:
> Aside from this chucktard post, the others have been helpful. In
> reality wifi bands of 2.4, 3.6, and 5 ghz do penetrate solid objects.
> 5 ghz not as well as 3.6 or 2.4 but the fact remains they do. I've
> detected the broadcast SSID of wireless access points while inside my
> home as far away as a couple blocks.
> For broadband wireless services from CDMA2000 and GSM 3G providers
> like Verizon and ATT frequencies use 800mhz, 850mhz, 1.9ghz. TMoble,
> .17 and 2.1ghz. All the frequencies are well capable of passing
> through structural objects.
My laptop works just fine out in the barn, which is a good 200
yards from the house.
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Respondant
That's odd. I seem to be able to pick up my wireless signal while sitting
outside by my pond in the summer. As the crow flies, that means it travels
around 250 feet through three walls, aluminum siding, and the glass on my
sun porch. All of which were "solid objects" the last time I checked.
freemont
More content for your growing know-it-all file:
"It [WiFi] uses a frequency that is largely used because it doesn't
penetrate solid objects."
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freemont
> Meat Plow mumbled in 24hoursupport.helpdesk:
>> On Sun, 24 Jan 2010 15:24:01 +0000 (UTC), chuckcar
>><ch...@nil.car>wrote:
>
>>>OldGringo38 <NoE...@ThisOldHouse.Con> wrote in
>>>news:hjg10p$1a2$1...@news.eternal-september.org:
>>>
>>>> What are some of the disadvantages of using WiFi on a home PC?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>Aside from the other posts - most of which are actually helpful for a
>>>change - the fact that it uses a frequency that is largely used because
>>>it *doesn't* penetrate solid objects. A problem in an object which is
>>>supported by them. Namely a house.
>
>> Aside from this chucktard post, the others have been helpful. In
>> reality wifi bands of 2.4, 3.6, and 5 ghz do penetrate solid objects. 5
>> ghz not as well as 3.6 or 2.4 but the fact remains they do. I've
>> detected the broadcast SSID of wireless access points while inside my
>> home as far away as a couple blocks.
>
>> For broadband wireless services from CDMA2000 and GSM 3G providers like
>> Verizon and ATT frequencies use 800mhz, 850mhz, 1.9ghz. TMoble, .17 and
>> 2.1ghz. All the frequencies are well capable of passing through
>> structural objects.
>
> My laptop works just fine out in the barn, which is a good 200 yards
> from the house.
I'm sorry, but you're wrong. It's impossible for your setup to work.
Chuckcar said so, and Chuckcar knows everything. Your laptop does NOT
work out in the barn.
So stop spreading lies. Now!
OldGringo38
Two Cents To The (William Regal) Post:
> How is the muslim conversion coming?
>
> I see you are still Unclean.
>
> I also see you do not know the answer to the question...LMAO!
>
>
>
> "�n�hw��f"<snuh...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:Xns9D0A63491CDF4...@216.196.97.142...
> OldGringo38<NoE...@ThisOldHouse.Con> clouded the waters of pure
> thought with news:hjg10p$1a2$1...@news.eternal-september.org:
>
>> What are some of the disadvantages of using WiFi on a home PC?
>>
>
> G00gle still banning you?
>
> :(
>
Respondant
> On Sun, 24 Jan 2010 12:23:40 -0500, "Respondant"
> <Respo...@nonemail.not> wrote:
>
>> That's odd. I seem to be able to pick up my wireless signal while
>> sitting outside by my pond in the summer. As the crow flies, that
>> means it travels around 250 feet through three walls, aluminum
>> siding, and the glass on my sun porch. All of which were "solid
>> objects" the last time I checked.
>
> This is where chucktard disappears. Just like he did when he stated -
> what, no hard drive lasts beyond 5 years. And a half a dozen people
> told him they had hard drives well beyond that time, he called them
> all liars.
Awww. Not even a backpeddle this time? BTW? Wasn't it you who suggested
that he and RtS may be one and the same? Cuz I'm thinkin' you may well be
correct.
Even if not, they are surely cut from the same cloth;
Step 1: Say something st00pid
Step 2: Be proven incorrect
Step 2a: (optional) Backpeddle
Step 3: Drop the thread.
thund3rstruck
> On Sun, 24 Jan 2010 15:24:01 +0000 (UTC), chuckcar <ch...@nil.car>
> wrote:
>
>> change - the fact that it uses a frequency that is largely used because
>> it *doesn't* penetrate solid objects. A problem in an object which is
>> supported by them. Namely a house.
>
> at one extreme end of my house, works at the opposite extreme end of
> my house.
Mine goes thru 3 walls to get to me.
n0i
OldGringo38
> OldGringo38 <NoE...@ThisOldHouse.Con> clouded the waters of pure
> thought with news:hjg10p$1a2$1...@news.eternal-september.org:
>
>> What are some of the disadvantages of using WiFi on a home PC?
>>
>
> G00gle still banning you?
>
> :(
>
information supplied here is worth a lot more than some of the
ambiguous rambling on Google, and I have to read less easing the
strain on my eyes. Now put that in your Bong and smoke it.
�n�hw��f
news:hjhrt6$20f$1...@news.eternal-september.org:
WEP or WPA? One is slightly more secure.
�n�hw��f
> , In The Beginning God Created The Heavens And Earth, Then I Added
> My Two Cents To The (William Regal) Post:
>> How is the muslim conversion coming?
>>
>> I see you are still Unclean.
>>
>> I also see you do not know the answer to the question...LMAO!
>>
>>
>>
>> "�n�hw��f"<snuh...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> news:Xns9D0A63491CDF4...@216.196.97.142...
>> OldGringo38<NoE...@ThisOldHouse.Con> clouded the waters of pure
>> thought with news:hjg10p$1a2$1...@news.eternal-september.org:
>>
>>> What are some of the disadvantages of using WiFi on a home PC?
>>>
>>
>> G00gle still banning you?
>>
>> :(
>>
> I have no access to Google on WiFi <g> Smart Ass.
>
Nice reacharound.
Jenn
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> "Jenn" <no...@noway.com> clouded the waters of pure thought with
> news:hjhrt6$20f$1...@news.eternal-september.org:
>>>
>>> (except last christmas) lotta people obviously got new computers,
>>> got high speed internet, and new routers
>>
>>
>>
>> that is a good idea ... needless to say my son set up our
>> encryption on our network.
>
> WEP or WPA? One is slightly more secure.
>
I'll have to ask him when I see him ... he's a busy bee these days.
--
Jenn (from Oklahoma)
thund3rstruck
<snip>
> Or maybe chucktard is defective. One of the two.
I can imagine how that tech support call/return auth would go...lol
n0i
Jordon
Really? I wonder how I can connect to my neighbors WiFi
through three walls and at least 50 feet?
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skeeter
"Jordon" <jor...@REMOVETHISsamiamnot.com> wrote in message
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if its not secured...real easy. i pick up 9 wireless routers in my
neighborhood. some secure some not. i went to down the street and still
picked them up as well as mine.
Jordon
>
> "Jordon" <jor...@REMOVETHISsamiamnot.com> wrote in message
> news:hjkh9e$k7s$1...@news.eternal-september.org...
>> chuckcar wrote:
>>> OldGringo38<NoE...@ThisOldHouse.Con> wrote in
>>>> What are some of the disadvantages of using WiFi on a home PC?
>>> Aside from the other posts - most of which are actually helpful for a
>>> change - the fact that it uses a frequency that is largely used because
>>> it *doesn't* penetrate solid objects. A problem in an object which is
>>> supported by them. Namely a house.
>> Really? I wonder how I can connect to my neighbors WiFi
>> through three walls and at least 50 feet?
> if its not secured...real easy. i pick up 9 wireless routers in my
> neighborhood. some secure some not. i went to down the street and still
> picked them up as well as mine.
You should probably read what it was that I was responding to.
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joevan
Yeah me too. I guess his walls must be quite thin. But then the many
other ones not next door keep coming up and some of them are blocks
away. Gee they all have paper thin walls?
OldGringo38
at the other end of the block can read my signal as well as me hers.
Both 54Mb with excellent signal.