BD Mariners Visa and employment issues

[Tareq nabik]

Please help to resolve these issues with BDMariners.

Best regards
Tareq

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Subject: RE: [BDMariners] Employment of Bangladeshi Seafarers
From: <mis...@en-tech.com>
Date: Fri, August 29, 2014 6:21 pm
To: bdmar...@googlegroups.com

Dear All
Thanks for the separate thread on BDMariners Employment issues. I like
the idea of creating a small central committee which can take ownership
of pursuing the solution globally. Then we need to create a regional or
individual smaller committee in every possible geological region like
(USA, Australia, Canada, UAE, Singapore, where ever we are). I will
initiate a awareness campaign in USA to all Juldians starting on the
6th, sept; from there we will select volunteers so that we can pursue
required action plan to State Department and if needed to us congress.
But we need clear understanding of the Visa problem or discrimination
issues. We may have to bring official from BDMariners association,Marine
academy or shipping ministry in case we are successful in arranging a
face to face meeting. I think this should be done in Australia, UK,UAE,
where ever the visa is biased against BDMariners.

But as I said we need clear understanding of the problem, we are willing
to contribute in resolving some of the issues BDMariners are facing.

Best regards
Tareq 23rd.
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Subject: RE: [BDMariners] Employment of Bangladeshi Seafarers
From: "Dilwar Ali" <minal...@optusnet.com.au>
Date: Fri, August 29, 2014 8:33 am
To: <bdmar...@googlegroups.com>

Salam

I have just returned home after two weeks of overseas assignment, had no
internet/email/FB there.

Found massive number of postings and will have no opportunity to read
them.

I am very impressed that industry heavy weights like Salauddin Sir (1),
Capt FR Ch Sir (1) and Janab Zahedur Rahman Sir and other pioneers have
joined this forum.

We are emotionally attached with our beloved BMA and cannot see its
death. I have received half a dozen private emails (CV) from BMA
graduates to assist them with job, though I am out of marine sector for
over 25 years. It is utterly painful to read plight of these cadets
having brilliant background looking for work.

We are very special species. The word “Impossible” is absent in our
mariners dictionary.

I may suggest followings action plan, moving forward:

1. BMA to remain as an independent entity managed exclusively by
merchant navy officers, insulated from any political influence and
affiliated with WMU, Malmo only.
2. There should be no other institution in the vicinity that can
impair its environment, image and beauty.
3. Current BMA infrastructure, training facilities and course
contents to upgrade
4. No increase of yearly intake in BMA for at least next 5
years
5. Structured transition of all non-BMA institutions to become
Seamen training centers. No officer training institution (Other than
BMA) to be established in Bangladesh. BMA can be expanded as required.
6. Overseas mariners funded, fully equipped “Research, marketing
& employment centre” to set up in S’pore.( I do not suggest this to
be in BMA or anywhere in Bangladesh as the info could be misused, slow
internet etc)
7. Office staff PD to be developed, will post monthly KPI in
above forum
8. All Bangladeshi mariners to post job ads, potential employers
contacts. Etc in confidence.
9. All unemployed BMA graduates to register for placement.
10. Al l mariners forums, alumni, meetings, gatherings, reunions etc
to have “employment opportunity” agenda in their activities and
output conveyed to above S’pore office
11. All Bangladeshi mariners working at senior levels( Manager,
superintendent, surveyor level and above) to influence, recommend BMA
graduates and communicate with S’pore office in confidence

Kind regards

Dilwar Ali (6th batch Engr)
Melbourne

(My apology if my inbox already contain above suggestions)
Please note undermentioned email from Anis(30) as I have completed
above text and just about to dispatch. I urge all mariners to display
slightest bit of sympathy.

From: bdmar...@googlegroups.com [mailto:bdmar...@googlegroups.com]
On Behalf Of Anisur Rahman
Sent: 29 August 2014 21:39
To: bdmar...@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [BDMariners] Employment of Bangladeshi Seafarers


Dear Baten Sir
Asalamualikum . Thank you very much for bringing up the topic and
focusing on our priority.
With down trend in global economy and for other associated reasons, the
no of Bangladesh registered vessels have reduced remarkably and
continuing ( last I know the number has reduced from 74 to 43).
Since I am associated with a shipping company in Bangladesh , everyday I
least meet 2 -3 young mariners ( cadets, 4th engr, 3rd off) who acquired
their minimum qualification (passed out from academy /got their coc) 6
-8 months back and still unemployed. Sometimes they cry, they beg for a
job (even ready to join at hand to mouth salary ) . I also get calls
from guardians, crying and requesting to help them out by providing
jobs to their child.
Sometimes I feel helpless, I feel like cry, I feel sorrow , I feel like
shout to the people who produced so many mariners without even thinking
how they will be consumed in the market, what is the market demand and
what steps had been taken to generate employment before graduating them
.
It has become something like population growth in Bangladesh where no
body knows how to control or best utilization of man power ( in a very
raw way- a rickshaw puller giving birth to so many children without
thinking of their future).
I also remember the job scarcity when we passed out and how we suffered
- is it not anyway connected to government policy ? Is there any one who
should take the resposibility not to apprise the government of present
shipping market and adjust cadet intake accordingly ?
I think I have become very much emotional in expressing my feelings
which I should not.
It is not my intention to hurt any one any way but to raise our
awareness on the issue which is going to affect the community very
shortly.
I look forward to my senoirs who knows how to handle this kind of crisis
and hope they will come forward with suggestions, employment
opportunities to help these young kids.
Kind Regards
Anis (30th).

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[Al Beruny Mir]

Tarik,

 

Rule of law is the answer, we never had it, don't have it now....don't see how we shall ever have it. 

 

If visa problem goes off, thousands of fake seafarers will be sent abroad by the corrupt recruiting agents

.

Some of distingushed writers of the BD mariners are writing from abroad, giving ideas to cure our sick maritime industry; who are they?

 

During their time as B.S.C bosses they did everything possible to restrict our career; they performed poorly while chairing highest positions, left BSC when nothing left of it!  Now they bring all the solutions on earth.

 

As we speak few hundred direct and indirect(?!) fresh cadets tiotoeing the lanes of Dhaka and Chittagong, seeking for their first ship to launch their dream-career; their poor parents who already had paid 10-18 lakhs taka to the manning syndicates, are desperately considering to sell off their paddy lands to meet the endless greed of these recruiting agents.

 

No one brings up this issue, only beating around the bushes.

 

BD-Mariners group has a code of conduct in place! can't write what ever we want to write and it's not good to make things complicated when few good souls really took a good initiative to unite all fellow mariners, direct and indirect!

 

Yours Beruny

 

 

 

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[Tareq nabik]

Beruny

I understand your frustration. Teaching Bengali to follow the law is above your's and mine's pay grade. But if there is any way we can contribute and make little change that will be a big success. I strongly believe that we must keep our differences and frustration aside and get engage. Even this simple conversion may help. I will like to help this community if I can. Bellow is a clear plan from Asad of 32st batch. I am sure something we can do to help.

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Good day.

Honorable seniors and leaders of our esteemed community please consider below in your great leadership for solving the current unemployment issue

 

1.       To convinced the manning agency to offer some discount to their principal for the officers employed per, for each cadet recruitment.

2.       No agency fees for cadet recruitment to be charged to owner/ ship management company- can be recommended to manning agencies. Ship owners would be interested to recruit Bangladeshi Cadet.

3.       Establishing a short course training institute at Dhaka, a remote campus of Marine Academy, this institute would certainly shake up the existing Private Marine Institutes earnings. Alternately the management of this institute can be handed over to BMMOA for operation,  faculty and training.

4.       Establish a manning agency under BMMOA (non profit organization), the earnings from the agency is to be spent for the development of maritime society, a part from there can be contributed to build up ‘Emergency Fund”. Ship owners would be more than happy to recruiting from this professional organization.

5.       I do remember one good recommendation from Syed Nofel (36^th Probably) to recruit one cadet for each Senior officer recruitment, while Maersk had a recent recruitment drive in Dhaka and Maersk Selected 25 Management level officers. However, it didn’t work finally (probably).

 

 

VISA Issue:

1.        Most of the Bangladeshi Sea Farer need to have Visa to be obtained at the country of residence, and one of the reasons- the CDC issued by the Shipping Office is not ILO Ratified presently/ some recent update might be there.

2.       It is possible to join ports like UK, Ireland and Danish with a ILO Ratified CDC/ Any Bangladeshi Sea Farer holding a Liberian CDC could join on those ports.

3.       For Bangladeshi Sea Farer Shore leave is banned in UAE (Since 2008), Singapore (Since 2002/ March), etc. In Singapore if any Bangladeshi Sea farer is on board – the ship has to drop anchor and do Immigration clearance prior sailing. I had to s/off on this issue as it interact with the crew rest hours. Ship owner doesn’t want this, specially for a particular nationality on board.

4.       Issuing Visa in Bangladesh doesn’t happen over the night, it takes almost 10 working days for EU states and UK, for Asian countries the time frame is less.

5.       Embassy almost avoid to issue long term multiple visa. Routing through shchengen states is not possible, if the sea farer not having schengen visa, same as UK.

6.       Obtaining LOI (Letter of Introduction) for visa application-  most operators appoint agent basis on port of call, by the time LOI received, visa application submitted and visa received, ship almost left the port. Embassy doesn’t really care at all the personal requirement, they follow their own rules.

7.       Almost all embassy now a days used a 3^rd party(Travel agent or VFS Global)  for application processing, UK application appointment date is to be received through web now, it requires one month preparation if any one schedule to join UK with Visa, best to have a ILO Ratified CDC- no visa required, in this case.

8.       Joining in tanker is very uncertain with respect to visa issue if the required visa not in hand well before, as most tankers are employed on spot charter.

9.       Our competitor nationalities could obtain visa much faster than us, causing our nationals not to be employed or less employment.

10.   Some countries like Morocco not allowing Bangladeshi Sea Farer for shore leave (except medical ground), not sure about joining process for country like this.

 

 

Thanks and best regards,

K.M.Asaduzzaman (31^st)

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[Al Beruny Mir]

Deart Tarik,

 

Looks like there are positive and constructive ideas evolving within.

 

Beruny

[taufiqul islam]

Good day dostora,

Beruny

Onek kichu na bole o Shob kichui Bujhiecho! That is your damn good quality .But at the end I agree with tarek. small small deeds can be a matters some time. Dostora valo theko.

taufiq

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On Tue, 9/2/14, Tareq nabik <nabi...@gmail.com> wrote:

Subject: Re: BD Mariners Visa and employment issues
To: 23rd-...@googlegroups.com
Date: Tuesday, September 2, 2014, 10:29 AM

.Some of distingushed writers of the BD

[inamul bhuiyan]

Beruny,

You are precisely correct; I had had lengthy discussion about those creatures

in UK, so did Masud in BD  describing how the spirit of Academy was gradually lost because of

those BSC SPD people.

I'll keep on reminding them directly and indirectly; situation is irreversible. 

Lots of CROCODILE TEARS; prepare something rough for their  REAR.

My anger is agitating beyond my control; 

Remember Beruny how that sadist commented when we got our bonds signed from

the Megistrate. But some of us still engaged in S£$king.

Only positive side is few guys disappointed and found own way are in the best position

now; they do not even bother to keep those silly Bus£$$%ds in their mind.

Complete f^&&ing waste of time.

- inam

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[Capt Jafar Mazumder]

Hi All,

Sorry I am late to see lots of correspondence. I am really happy to see my batch mates are  doing really well and most of us succeeded on their own perseverance and conviction. Inam agree it is waste of time now. Our people missed that opportunity to do good for our community while they were holding top positions(busy with filling their own pockets). Now the opportunity is shrinking and we are being out placed by bureaucrats, Navy, Politicians etc. I learnt from my short tenure in DG, policies/decisions come from top and once it is taken, very difficult to change. Still we can contribute from our own positions, but as per my opinion it will have little or no effect. I have not given up hopes - keep trying dosos.

Rgds,

Jafar

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