|Clemens sitution just got stranger||G-Man||1/9/99 12:00 AM|
I was just talking to a friend of mine in Boston and he said that the Red
Sox have asked for MLB to investigate possible tampering in the Clemens
situation from 1996, saying the Jays talked to Clemens before his contract
was up and they will be looking for compensation. It could get really ugly
if the Jays are guilty and they could have to give up cash and a player, not
looking too good. Let's hope this is just Boston's media taking things out
of control again. Look at the article he included in an email to me:
Red Sox are owed in Clemens case
There has always been a smell to the way Roger Clemens left Boston for
Clemens and his agents, the Hendricks brothers, made a deal with Blue Jays
The most embarrassing part for baseball is that Paul Beeston, now the No. 2
The Red Sox have asked the league to investigate the matter fully, and they
Just this past Monday, the National Hockey League had the guts to fine the
''A lot of shredders are working full-time around the league this week,''
The first thing Selig should do is make Beeston and Blue Jays GM Gord Ash
In the spring of '96, Clemens had said he owed everything he had to the Red
However, the odor started to surface in the last week Clemens was in a
But here is the most telling part. After several teams, including the Blue
The Clemens group knew there was no way Boston would agree to the illegal
And that is tampering.
To start with, Boston should be compensated in full for whatever Selig
The Clemens contract should be voided. Toronto should be fined. Beeston and
Major League Baseball will try to duck this responsibility because it is so
But the Red Sox should keep pressing and go to court, if necessary, to
You can bet the shredders are working in Toronto this weekend
|Clemens sitution just got stranger||Ryan Day||1/10/99 12:00 AM|
G-Man (chis...@nbnet.nb.ca) wrote:
> Red Sox are owed in Clemens case
> There has always been a smell to the way Roger Clemens left Boston forWhat, McDonough doesn't believe in deoderant or something?
> Clemens and his agents, the Hendricks brothers, made a deal with Blue JaysUhm, no it didn't -- it just doesn't have anything to do with the
rules. Selig just said that side agreements aren't going to be enforced
by the league -- nothing about them being wrong.
The letter, kept secret for two yearsThat's more of the letter than I've heard of. Does McDonough
actually have a copy of the letter, or is he trying out his psychic powers?
Well, if McDonough says the Jays tampered, then hey, throw 'em out
of the league. Who needs due process or anything...
> The first thing Selig should do is make Beeston and Blue Jays GM Gord AshGee, here's a radical idea: How 'bout Boston comes up with some
proof that goes beyond McDonough's ridiculous innuendo before Toronto has
to come up with any sort of defence.
> In the spring of '96, Clemens had said he owed everything he had to the RedWow. A player changes his mind/lies/doubletalks. Damn, this guy
has a nose for news. Woodward and Bernstein, move over. (for that
matter, Hunter S. Thompson, move over... though for a slightly different
> However, the odor started to surface in the last week Clemens was in aWhat common sense is that? Maybe he just made up his mind that he
didn't want to play for Boston.
> But here is the most telling part. After several teams, including the BlueSo Roger Clemens is a doubletalking swine. We knew that already.
> The Clemens group knew there was no way Boston would agree to the illegalWTF???!!! An "unfair advantage?" Unless the Red Sox are not in
possession of pens with which to sign documents, the Jays didn't exactly
have any sort of advantage there. They were willing to go to greater
lengths to get Roger Clemens to pitch for them. That's it.
And where is he drawing this tampering thing? It's not like the
contract was signed the day after the season -- it was, as I recall,
December, which is more than enough time to come to an agreement like that.
> And that is tampering.
> To start with, Boston should be compensated in full for whatever SeligBud Selig is supposed to judge talent? Sure, I can go with that...
> Major League Baseball will try to duck this responsibility because it is soUhm, see, MLB doesn't have any obligation to do anything.
Assuming MLB rules aren't *completely* alien to this planet, there's the
little matter of innocent until proven guilty - let the Sox try to make
this gibberish stand up in court before the Jays have to waste time
> But the Red Sox should keep pressing and go to court, if necessary, toThis is one of the most ludicrous, stupendously horrible pieces of
tripe I have ever read. The man makes Richard Griffin look like Oscar
Wilde. Leaving aside for a moment the fact that he writes like an
illiterate heroin addict, I'd hope that he has a good lawyer -- this piece
is downright libellous. (at least under Canadian Law... dunno about US laws)
This is one of the things that makes me wonder why I want to be
professionally associated with these people.
|Clemens sitution just got stranger||Hack Crack||1/10/99 12:00 AM|
G-Man wrote in message <778s01$jtf$1...@garnet.nbnet.nb.ca>...
|Clemens sitution just got stranger||scott....@dlcwest.com||1/10/99 12:00 AM|
What exactly does the existance of a side agreement have to do with
Its rediculus, did clemens talk about a trade to Toronto in his last year in
The tuth is that Toronto getting Clemens was huge shock to the baseball world,
If there was any tampering here, it would have been Texas or Houston
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|Clemens sitution just got stranger||azathoth||1/10/99 12:00 AM|
> The first thing Selig should do is make Beeston and Blue Jays GM Gord AshThis is waaaaaaaaaaaaaaay out of line. McDonough doesn't offer one shred
of solid evidence for his speculation, and in any event, whatever
transpired doesn't come close to falling in the category of a criminal
case, so his insistence on lie detector tests and phone records is so
invasive, it borders on fascism.
|Clemens sitution just got stranger||Scott E. Kuehner||1/10/99 12:00 AM|
G-Man <chis...@nbnet.nb.ca> wrote in message
The Jays might have to give up a player? OK, let's give 'em Clemens.
|Clemens sitution just got stranger||Steve Sterling||1/10/99 12:00 AM|
>Say it aint so.
But you also have to realize that McDonough is an idiot. I've always found
|Clemens sitution just got stranger, or McDoughnot need a pill||scott....@dlcwest.com||1/11/99 12:00 AM|
What he is saying is pure parinoia.
Mr McDoughnut, you should talk to your doctor, several great new antipsycotics
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|Clemens sitution just got stranger||Sheldon Rowan||1/11/99 12:00 AM|
>But you also have to realize that McDonough is an idiot. I've always foundThe statement that McDonough is an idiot is vastly understated. I have
read every article Will has written pertaining to Clemens and the Blue
Jays and it is clear that he is spiteful, malicious, and supremely stupid.
But it isn't completely personal; he rarely has said anything nice about
the Red Sox either. While many Sox fans in Boston are pissed off at Roger
Clemens, the majority support him and have tremendous respect for his
accomplishments. Then again, you wouldn't know that if you believed what
McDonough wrote. I wouldn't worry about this article and many other ASBTB
contributors have already demonstrated the flaws in his arguments. Geez,
what a creep, eh?
|Clemens sitution just got stranger||T, Knox||1/11/99 12:00 AM|
Sheldon Rowan wrote in message <77c2as$jqr$1...@news.fas.harvard.edu>...
ever wonder how pissed Boston fans and their related writers would be if
|Clemens sitution just got stranger||Dave Till||1/11/99 12:00 AM|
In article <7nfm2.77027$c8.37...@hme2.newscontent-01.sprint.ca>,
As I recall, the Jays weren't exactly a model team in the Jimy
|Clemens sitution just got stranger||Steve Sterling||1/11/99 12:00 AM|
>>>What is going on here, for years the Jays were a model team no
|Clemens sitution just got stranger||Dave Till||1/12/99 12:00 AM|
In article <H9Am2.78619$c8.38...@hme2.newscontent-01.sprint.ca>,
Unless my memory is playing tricks on me, Gillick gained complete
|Clemens sitution just got stranger||ron.j...@ccrs.nrcan.gc.ca||1/13/99 12:00 AM|
In article <77g2fl$s...@angel.uunet.ca>,
Bavasi resigned after the 1982 season. (He didn't know he had offered to
> He and Paul Beeston were named vice presidents, with Beeston in charge
The Jays always had an unusual front office structure. Gillick was
I don't think Gillick ever had complete contol of anything. Probably