Testers needed for TiddlyFox, a TiddlyWiki extension for Firefox

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Testers needed for TiddlyFox, a TiddlyWiki extension for Firefox Jeremy Ruston 8/27/12 2:18 PM
Firefox 15, which is currently in beta but scheduled to be released on
August 28th, finally disables the trick that TiddlyWiki uses for
saving changes to itself (see [1]). From a general security
perspective, this is probably a good thing - especially if you've
watched a less computer-literate friend or relative deal with random
yes/no dialogue boxes; that familiar confirmation dialogue isn't much
protection.

So, I've started work on a little Firefox extension called "TiddlyFox"
that can save files on behalf of TiddlyWiki.

TiddlyFox stays in the background until you load a TiddlyWiki 2.x.x
document from a file: URL. It then patches the TiddlyWiki document on
the fly to have it invoke the extension to save files on it's behalf.

I've tested the extension on Firefox 14 (the current version) and the
beta of Firefox 15.

To install the extension, navigate to [2] in Firefox. You should be
prompted to install the plugin. Then, if you navigate to a TiddlyWiki
document on a file: URI you should get an alert notifying you that
TiddlyFox has patched the document. Save changes should then work in
the normal way.

Right now, the extension is very basic, without a full user interface.
The plan is to add a proper confirmation dialogue, and to extend it
with functionality something like TiddlySnip for clipping bits of web
pages into a TiddlyWiki document. It will also work with TiddlyWiki5
(it doesn't yet).

I'd be very grateful for any testing, and ping me here with any
feedback or questions.

Best wishes

Jeremy.

[1] https://github.com/TiddlyWiki/tiddlywiki/issues/101
[2] https://github.com/Jermolene/TiddlyWiki5/raw/master/tiddlyfox/extension/tiddlyfox.xpi

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Re: Testers needed for TiddlyFox, a TiddlyWiki extension for Firefox julien23 8/27/12 11:44 PM
finally disables the trick that TiddlyWiki uses for
saving changes to itself
TW used to be very easy to use from whatever browser or computer : self contained, no extension needed ...
It all started to mess from FF4 and its to security restrictions...
I hope TW5 will give us back our beloved self contained, no extension needed TW ...


with functionality something like TiddlySnip
rebirth of TiddlySnip is indeed welcome !

Thanks all developpers

Julien

Le lundi 27 août 2012 23:18:30 UTC+2, Jeremy Ruston a écrit :
Re: Testers needed for TiddlyFox, a TiddlyWiki extension for Firefox Jeremy Ruston 8/27/12 11:49 PM
It is definitely frustrating to have to start using an extension. On the upside, it does enable some other useful stuff (like the possibility of TiddlySnip-like functionality).

The extension is so small that I plan to distribute it embedded within TW5 itself. So, if you've got a TW file but don't have TiddlyFox installed, you'll be able to right click and save a special like within TiddlyWiki in order to extract and save the extension.

Best wishes

Jeremy


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Re: Testers needed for TiddlyFox, a TiddlyWiki extension for Firefox julien23 8/28/12 12:02 AM
Hi Jeremy

For example LoadTiddlersPlugin is broken with lan folders
Can you please keep in mind load and save to local folders while writing your extension ?

I can't force me customers or employee to use FF.
Other browsers will be supported with dedicated extensions as well ?

thanks

Julien

Le mardi 28 août 2012 08:49:49 UTC+2, Jeremy Ruston a écrit :
Re: [twdev] Re: Testers needed for TiddlyFox, a TiddlyWiki extension for Firefox Jeremy Ruston 8/28/12 1:31 AM


For example LoadTiddlersPlugin is broken with lan folders
Can you please keep in mind load and save to local folders while writing your extension ?

At the moment TiddlyFox only implements the file operations required for saving changes. In particular, the implementation will currently only load the main HTML file.


I can't force me customers or employee to use FF.
Other browsers will be supported with dedicated extensions as well ?

It doesn't look like this approach will work in Safari or Chrome due to their more stringent security rules. I've yet to investigate IE add-ons.

In TW5 there is a fallback standards compliant save-in-browser function that means that you will always be able to save changes, albeit clunkily. Other options with a more convenient user experience include installing node.js (which is a clean one-click install these days).

Best wishes

Jeremy

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Re: Testers needed for TiddlyFox, a TiddlyWiki extension for Firefox PMario 8/29/12 7:56 AM
Just did a test with vanilla TW 2.6.5, FF15.0 on ubuntu 12.04.

Saving from a file TW just works out of the box.

-m
Re: Testers needed for TiddlyFox, a TiddlyWiki extension for Firefox PMario 8/29/12 8:24 AM
Tested with win7 64bit, FF15
Saving a vanilla TW 2.6.5 works out of the box.

Installed the TiddlyFox addOn
Got a message as TW loads.
Saving seems to work too.

-m
Re: [twdev] Re: Testers needed for TiddlyFox, a TiddlyWiki extension for Firefox Jeremy Ruston 8/29/12 9:13 AM
Do you mean that in your testing TW5 doesn't need to use TiddlyFox in
order to save changes on Firefox 15 under Ubuntu?

Best wishes

Jeremy

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Re: [twdev] Re: Testers needed for TiddlyFox, a TiddlyWiki extension for Firefox Jeremy Ruston 8/29/12 2:04 PM
> Do you mean that in your testing TW5 doesn't need to use TiddlyFox in
> order to save changes on Firefox 15 under Ubuntu?

It appears that if one updates from an earlier version of Firefox then
any permissions granted (and remembered) to let TiddlyWiki save
changes will continue to apply. It remembers the URIs of all the
TiddlyWiki's that have had permission granted.

So, can you retest with a TiddlyWiki file that has been newly renamed
to a unique name?

Many thanks,

Jeremy

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> Best wishes
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> On 29 Aug 2012, at 15:56, PMario <pmar...@gmail.com> wrote:
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>> Just did a test with vanilla TW 2.6.5, FF15.0 on ubuntu 12.04.
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>> Saving from a file TW just works out of the box.
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Re: Testers needed for TiddlyFox, a TiddlyWiki extension for Firefox PMario 8/29/12 4:26 PM
On Aug 29, 11:04 pm, Jeremy Ruston <jeremy.rus...@gmail.com> wrote:
> So, can you retest with a TiddlyWiki file that has been newly renamed
> to a unique name?
right.
I did rename the file and saving didn't work
Activated TiddlyFox and it did save.

I think the "activating TiddlyFox dialog" should be removed, imo it's
just distracting. If I do open a TW, I want to be able to save.

thx for the fix :)
-m
Re: [twdev] Re: Testers needed for TiddlyFox, a TiddlyWiki extension for Firefox Jeremy Ruston 8/30/12 1:37 AM
> I think the "activating TiddlyFox dialog" should be removed, imo it's
> just distracting. If I do open a TW, I want to be able to save.

The idea is that the alert will turn into a proper confirmation
dialogue along with a "remember this setting for next time" checkbox.
In other words, just like the existing experience on Firefox.

Best wishes

Jeremy



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Re: Testers needed for TiddlyFox, a TiddlyWiki extension for Firefox Jon 8/30/12 12:56 PM

 
So, I've started work on a little Firefox extension called "TiddlyFox"
that can save files on behalf of TiddlyWiki.

 TiddlyFox works properly for me and makes TWs saveable after the Firefox 15 upgrade. Thanks for this!

It's a shame Mozilla went this way. One of the beauties of TW was that it could be shared by attaching a single file or sharing a single file in Dropbox. For the less computer-literate, having to also install an add-on is going to steepen the curve significantly.

Related: Firefox has released a major upgrade for Android. MUCH improved functionality, and apparently the ability to use add-ons. It renders TiddliWikis far better than its predecessor and looks like it might be better than Dolphin or AndTidWiki...except that, guess what? The ability to save a TW has been lost....

--Jon

Re: Testers needed for TiddlyFox, a TiddlyWiki extension for Firefox whatever 8/31/12 10:19 AM
Yeah, the popup is annoying, especially when you have five wikis open
in the browser when it loads. I tested it on two comps, both Waterfox
15 and Win 7 64-bit and it works okay.
w
Re: Testers needed for TiddlyFox, a TiddlyWiki extension for Firefox midpeter444 9/2/12 7:22 AM
Hi Jeremy,

Thanks for doing the TiddlyFox plugin.  Here are my results:

I'm on Ubuntu (Xubuntu) 11.10, using Firefox 15 and I tested a newly downloaded 2.6.5 TW.

First I downloaded and installed your TiddlyFox plugin.  I was able to save my previous 2.6.4 TW (which was already and still working due to being in the prefs.js file) and a new 2.6.5 - both worked, but requiring you to click the TiddlyFox dialog box.

Next, I disabled the TiddlyFox plugin and then edited by $HOME/.mozilla/xy_random/prefs.js file like so:

user_pref("capability.principal.codebase.p83.granted", "UniversalXPConnect");
user_pref("capability.principal.codebase.p83.id", "file:///home/midpeter444/spideroak/wiki/my-new-wiki.html");
user_pref("capability.principal.codebase.p83.subjectName", "");


and that also works to save the new 2.6.5 wiki without the TiddlyFox plugin.

It's nice to have two ways to solve this.  I will probably go with the manual editing step to avoid the dialog popup.  I will have to solve this on my Windows work computer in a few days when I get in the office again.

-Michael
Re: Testers needed for TiddlyFox, a TiddlyWiki extension for Firefox Jeremy Ruston 9/2/12 11:04 AM
Hi Michael

Many thanks for the feedback. I'm working on adding auto-updating to
TiddlyFox. The plan is also to add a checkbox to prevent the dialogue
box from appearing a second time for a given file.

Best wishes

Jeremy
Re: Testers needed for TiddlyFox, a TiddlyWiki extension for Firefox Duarte Farrajota Ramos 9/4/12 6:52 AM
Hi everyone just to report that I have tested TiddlyFox on Palemoon Portable 15 (http://www.palemoon.org/ a Firefox based browser) and your extension seems to work flawlessly.

Thanks for the quick development of this addon (oh and looking forward to Tiddlywiki 5 ;) )

My Tiddlywikis saved on my external HDD can now save correctly
Re: Testers needed for TiddlyFox, a TiddlyWiki extension for Firefox Stephan Hradek 9/5/12 12:57 PM
I tried the plugin and it seems to work. But it doesn't work perfectly. I wanted to use the importExport package from TiddlyTools.com and this one doesn't work fully. It's impossible to browse the filesystem and it's also impossible to read files. So I downgraded to FF 14 :(

I also tried the "prefs.js-Trick" and it absolutely did not work with FF15 (on WinDOS 7 btw.).
Re: Testers needed for TiddlyFox, a TiddlyWiki extension for Firefox Lyall 9/5/12 4:38 PM
Thanks. Seems to work  :)
Tested on Firefox 15, linux, 64 bit.
Re: Testers needed for TiddlyFox, a TiddlyWiki extension for Firefox Jeremy Ruston 9/9/12 4:08 AM
I've just uploaded a new revision of TiddlyFox that incorporates a fix
for problems running under Windows XP. Please update to the new
version and report any issues,

Many thanks,

Jeremy
Re: Testers needed for TiddlyFox, a TiddlyWiki extension for Firefox okido 9/9/12 7:17 AM
Used FFPortable 15.0 on WIN7 Starter, after installing tiddlyfox saving a TW works.
TiddlySnip 1.21 works on 15.0 without tiddlyfox installed.

Okido

Op maandag 27 augustus 2012 23:18:30 UTC+2 schreef Jeremy Ruston het volgende:
Re: Testers needed for TiddlyFox, a TiddlyWiki extension for Firefox Stephan Hradek 9/9/12 10:14 PM
I've downloaded (2nd link in your first post correct?) and tried on Win7 with FF15 Portable and I get the message that UniversalXPconnect was not allowed when trying to browse for a plugin using the ImportExport Package from TiddlyTools. See Attachment.

Am Sonntag, 9. September 2012 16:17:26 UTC+2 schrieb okido:
Re: Testers needed for TiddlyFox, a TiddlyWiki extension for Firefox Eric Shulman 9/9/12 10:40 PM
On Sep 9, 10:14 pm, Stephan Hradek <stephan.hra...@googlemail.com>
wrote:
> I've downloaded (2nd link in your first post correct?) and tried on Win7
> with FF15 Portable and I get the message that UniversalXPconnect was not
> allowed when trying to browse for a plugin using the ImportExport Package
> from TiddlyTools. See Attachment.

The TiddlyTools ImportTiddlersPlugin does it's own file I/O handling.
As a result, TiddlyFox has no effect on the plugin behavior.
Unfortunately, FF15 no longer supports PrivilegeManager functions
needed to obtain UniversalXPConnect access (to read the local file
system info).  I need to investigate and experiment a bit to find a
solution, and then re-write portions of the ImportTiddlersPlugin code
(and other plugins that do similar file I/O) accordingly.  Regretably,
this will take a bit of time, as I am currently working on other
tasks.  I'll post a follow up when I have more news...

-e
Re: Testers needed for TiddlyFox, a TiddlyWiki extension for Firefox Stephan Hradek 9/10/12 12:14 AM
:( But many, many thanks for your reply and all your work.
Re: Testers needed for TiddlyFox, a TiddlyWiki extension for Firefox Jack Pommer 9/10/12 2:24 PM
Just loaded the extension and it works well.  Each time I open a wiki I get the message "TiddlyFox: Enabling TiddlyWiki file saving capability," but if I click OK, the wiki saves just as it should.
Re: Testers needed for TiddlyFox, a TiddlyWiki extension for Firefox Alice 9/14/12 7:09 AM
Installed TiddlyFox 1.0Alpha2 on a windows 7 machine running Firefox 15.0.1, but I seem unable to get my TiddlyWikis (all of them version 2.2.4) to save. I don't get an error message, but I don't get the small pop-up about patching the wikis either. Is there anything else I need to do but download/enable the plugin? Just opening one of my tiddly wikis does not seem to be enough.

They still work properly in my current IE version, just not in Firefox.

-Alice
Re: Testers needed for TiddlyFox, a TiddlyWiki extension for Firefox Jeremy Ruston 9/14/12 9:39 AM
Hi Alice

> Installed TiddlyFox 1.0Alpha2 on a windows 7 machine running Firefox 15.0.1,
> but I seem unable to get my TiddlyWikis (all of them version 2.2.4) to save.
> I don't get an error message, but I don't get the small pop-up about
> patching the wikis either. Is there anything else I need to do but
> download/enable the plugin? Just opening one of my tiddly wikis does not
> seem to be enough.

Installing the plugin and then opening a TiddlyWiki document from a
file:// URI should be enough.

Conceivably one of your other Firefox extensions might be interfering
with things, so it may be worth trying again with all other extensions
disabled.

I don't have a copy of TiddlyWiki 2.2.4 to hand (it's not in the
archive: http://tiddlywiki.com/archive/), so there might also be
something peculiar about that version that trips up TiddlyFox. Perhaps
you could also try a test with a freshly downloaded copy of TiddlyWiki
from tiddlywiki.com?

Good luck,

Cheers

Jeremy

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Re: Testers needed for TiddlyFox, a TiddlyWiki extension for Firefox Alice 9/14/12 12:49 PM
Hey Jeremy,

I tried it with all other plugins disabled (I only had firebug on), but it is still not working with 2.2.4 - however the newest tiddly wiki version does work even with Firebug enabled. I guess I have to stop being lazy and update to the newer versions more often :)

Thanks for your time, so glad it is working again.

~ Alice


(ps - if you like I can upload a 2.2.4 wiki somewhere. Since it is so outdated though it may be a waste of time checking it out.)



Am Freitag, 14. September 2012 18:39:48 UTC+2 schrieb Jeremy Ruston:
Re: Testers needed for TiddlyFox, a TiddlyWiki extension for Firefox Jeremy Ruston 9/15/12 9:25 AM
Hi Muck

Does it work with a fresh TiddlyWiki downloaded from tiddlywiki.com?

I'll prepare a new version of the extension with better debugging info
to make it easier to figure out what's going wrong.

Best wishes

Jeremy

On Sat, Sep 15, 2012 at 12:09 AM, muck <jerun...@gmail.com> wrote:
> No Joy
> The plugin pops up a message saying it's working with my twiki and clicking
> save no longer complains about permissions.
> BUT
> No content is saved to either the original file or a backup.
> Opening wiki using file:// protocol.
>
> FF 15.0.1
> TiddlyWiki 2.6.5
> Windows 7
Re: Testers needed for TiddlyFox, a TiddlyWiki extension for Firefox Angelo Borsotti 9/16/12 5:48 AM
The is a long discussion ongoing on this problem in Firefox, see: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=546848

Lots of complaints, and some proposals to solve the issue.
Someone mentioned Tiddlywiki there. It would be appropriate to see there the complaints of the developers of
Tiddlywiki too.
Re: Testers needed for TiddlyFox, a TiddlyWiki extension for Firefox Jeremy Ruston 9/16/12 12:03 PM
Hi Alice,

I've posted an update to the extension which should work with version
2.2.4 TiddlyWiki documents. You'll need to download it direct from
GitHub:

https://github.com/Jermolene/TiddlyWiki5/raw/master/tiddlyfox/extension/tiddlyfox.xpi

Let me know how you get on,

Best wishes

Jeremy
Re: Testers needed for TiddlyFox, a TiddlyWiki extension for Firefox Alice 9/19/12 12:41 AM
Hi Jeremy,

I tested the new version and it solved the problem with the 2.2.4 Wikis. Thanks a lot for the great work :)

Regards,
Alice
Re: Testers needed for TiddlyFox, a TiddlyWiki extension for Firefox Ash 9/19/12 8:31 AM
It's a crying shame and, for me at least, really spoils the whole point of TiddlyWiki. It no longer works out of the box and I can't use them on whatever computer I want without installing something extra first.

Has anyone reached out to the Mozilla devs to get a way to have this restriction lifted a little? Do they know they have unintentionally ruined a really useful "app"?

While I understand the security concerns, there must be a way to allow TiddlyWikis to work out of the box. Perhaps the browser could allow a file to write to itself instead of the whole filesystem. Perhaps WHATWG or the HTML5 working groups? Can anyone with knowledge of the mozilla/standards process submit a patch that would remedy this and be accepted?

TiddlyWiki of old was ahead of its times and it's really frustrating that browser improvements are actually putting one of the most innovative uses of JavaScript back 10 years!

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In Frustration.

On Tuesday, August 28, 2012 7:49:49 AM UTC+1, Jeremy Ruston wrote:
It is definitely frustrating to have to start using an extension. On the upside, it does enable some other useful stuff (like the possibility of TiddlySnip-like functionality).

The extension is so small that I plan to distribute it embedded within TW5 itself. So, if you've got a TW file but don't have TiddlyFox installed, you'll be able to right click and save a special like within TiddlyWiki in order to extract and save the extension.

Best wishes

Jeremy


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On 28 Aug 2012, at 07:44, julien23 <jbou...@capsule-ea.fr> wrote:

finally disables the trick that TiddlyWiki uses for
saving changes to itself
TW used to be very easy to use from whatever browser or computer : self contained, no extension needed ...
It all started to mess from FF4 and its to security restrictions...
I hope TW5 will give us back our beloved self contained, no extension needed TW ...

with functionality something like TiddlySnip
rebirth of TiddlySnip is indeed welcome !

Thanks all developpers

Julien

Le lundi 27 août 2012 23:18:30 UTC+2, Jeremy Ruston a écrit :
Firefox 15, which is currently in beta but scheduled to be released on
August 28th, finally disables the trick that TiddlyWiki uses for
saving changes to itself (see [1]). From a general security
perspective, this is probably a good thing - especially if you've
watched a less computer-literate friend or relative deal with random
yes/no dialogue boxes; that familiar confirmation dialogue isn't much
protection.

So, I've started work on a little Firefox extension called "TiddlyFox"
that can save files on behalf of TiddlyWiki.

TiddlyFox stays in the background until you load a TiddlyWiki 2.x.x
document from a file: URL. It then patches the TiddlyWiki document on
the fly to have it invoke the extension to save files on it's behalf.

I've tested the extension on Firefox 14 (the current version) and the
beta of Firefox 15.

To install the extension, navigate to [2] in Firefox. You should be
prompted to install the plugin. Then, if you navigate to a TiddlyWiki
document on a file: URI you should get an alert notifying you that
TiddlyFox has patched the document. Save changes should then work in
the normal way.

Right now, the extension is very basic, without a full user interface.
The plan is to add a proper confirmation dialogue, and to extend it
with functionality something like TiddlySnip for clipping bits of web
pages into a TiddlyWiki document. It will also work with TiddlyWiki5
(it doesn't yet).

I'd be very grateful for any testing, and ping me here with any
feedback or questions.

Best wishes

Jeremy.

[1] https://github.com/TiddlyWiki/tiddlywiki/issues/101
[2] https://github.com/Jermolene/TiddlyWiki5/raw/master/tiddlyfox/extension/tiddlyfox.xpi

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Re: Testers needed for TiddlyFox, a TiddlyWiki extension for Firefox Andy97 9/21/12 5:08 PM
Hi,
This can work in FF 15. However, automatic backup file is wrong.

An error occurs when the Chinese characters in the file
Become unable to do identify the characters. The original file is completely correct.

XP SP3, empty.htm 2.6.6

Thanks
Andy
Re: Testers needed for TiddlyFox, a TiddlyWiki extension for Firefox TonyM 9/23/12 10:12 PM
Jeremy,

This is largely working as advertised but as Andy97 posts we have in effect lost our backups. I use Lessbackups Plugin (http://mptw.tiddlyspot.com/#LessBackupsPlugin) to keep periodical backups. However during backup it always saves the tiiddlywiki by removing any extended character through all my tiddlers to � (Diamond with a ? in it).

Save, Save as (From Back stage http://www.tiddlytools.com/#SaveAsPluginInfo) are not causing this behavior.But "Save As" seems to have triggered an inability to save the tiddlywiki (Restart FF fixes this - Updates lost).

I also have http://www.minormania.com/tiddlylock/tiddlylock.html installed.

I am using the updated extension https://github.com/Jermolene/TiddlyWiki5/raw/master/tiddlyfox/extension/tiddlyfox.xpi

Just ask if I can help any more.

Thanks
Tony
Re: Testers needed for TiddlyFox, a TiddlyWiki extension for Firefox Jack Pommer 9/24/12 10:14 PM
Re: Testers needed for TiddlyFox, a TiddlyWiki extension for Firefox Jeremy Ruston 9/26/12 5:28 AM
Hi Tony, Andy

Thanks for letting me know about the problem with unicode characters
in backup pathnames, I'll look into it as soon as I can.

Best wishes

Jeremy
Re: Testers needed for TiddlyFox, a TiddlyWiki extension for Firefox Yakov 9/29/12 5:33 PM
Hello Jeremy,

I've got four points about TiddlyFox:

* seems that it works correctly for me (FF 15, Win 7 x64, TW with cyrillics)
* enable/disable TiddlyFox dialogue pops up each time I load a TW -- would be nice if it will be possible to select "don't ask for this TiddlyWiki again"
* more technical issue: see [1]
* finally, the problem with FF15 is also present in Android, so if you can make the extension available in FF for Android, it will be very helpful

Best regards,
Yakov.


вторник, 28 августа 2012 г., 1:18:30 UTC+4 пользователь Jeremy Ruston написал:
Re: Testers needed for TiddlyFox, a TiddlyWiki extension for Firefox Jeremy Ruston 10/1/12 8:53 AM
Hi Yakov


> * seems that it works correctly for me (FF 15, Win 7 x64, TW with cyrillics)

Great, glad to hear it.

> * enable/disable TiddlyFox dialogue pops up each time I load a TW -- would
> be nice if it will be possible to select "don't ask for this TiddlyWiki
> again"

Yes, that's my number 1 outstanding feature

> * more technical issue: see [1]

Yes, I am also planning to support importing, but there's quite a bit
of work involved.


> * finally, the problem with FF15 is also present in Android, so if you can
> make the extension available in FF for Android, it will be very helpful

I don't have any experience of Firefox on Android, and don't know
whether it supports the necessary file APIs.

I had a quick look through the material linked from here:

https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Extensions/Firefox_on_Android

I've updated TiddlyFox to mark it as compatible with Firefox for
Android. I'd be very surprised if it worked properly, but do give it a
go and let me know how you get on,

Best wishes

Jeremy
Re: Testers needed for TiddlyFox, a TiddlyWiki extension for Firefox Yakov 10/3/12 9:45 AM
Hi Jeremy,


> I don't have any experience of Firefox on Android, and don't know 
> whether it supports the necessary file APIs. 

It supported at least in previous versions (saving worked).

> I had a quick look through the material linked from here: 

> https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Extensions/Firefox_on_Android

> I've updated TiddlyFox to mark it as compatible with Firefox for
> Android. I'd be very surprised if it worked properly, but do give it a
> go and let me know how you get on,

Seems that something is wrong: TiddlyFox is not found among extensions for Android [1] and desktop version of plugin is not installed if I try it (from desktop extensions site). Installation sais (translating from Russian): "TiddlyFox extension for Firefox can't be installed as it is not compatible with Firefox 15.0.1".

Re: Testers needed for TiddlyFox, a TiddlyWiki extension for Firefox Jeremy Ruston 10/3/12 9:58 AM

It supported at least in previous versions (saving worked).

Terrific, that seems hopeful.

> I had a quick look through the material linked from here: 

> https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Extensions/Firefox_on_Android

> I've updated TiddlyFox to mark it as compatible with Firefox for
> Android. I'd be very surprised if it worked properly, but do give it a
> go and let me know how you get on,

Seems that something is wrong: TiddlyFox is not found among extensions for Android [1] and desktop version of plugin is not

No, I'm afraid this update won't hit AMO for a few days, and in the meantime you'll have been directed to the old version. Are you able to install the XPI direct from GitHub?

Best wishes

Jeremy

installed if I try it (from desktop extensions site). Installation sais (translating from Russian): "TiddlyFox extension for Firefox can't be installed as it is not compatible with Firefox 15.0.1".

Re: Testers needed for TiddlyFox, a TiddlyWiki extension for Firefox Yakov 10/3/12 10:14 AM
No, I'm afraid this update won't hit AMO for a few days, and in the meantime you'll have been directed to the old version. Are you able to install the XPI direct from GitHub?

Not sure what XPI is.. I can go to GitHub but if something needs some sort of compiling in Android, I'm not sure. 
Re: [twdev] Re: Testers needed for TiddlyFox, a TiddlyWiki extension for Firefox Jeremy Ruston 10/3/12 11:01 AM
> Not sure what XPI is.. I can go to GitHub but if something needs some sort
> of compiling in Android, I'm not sure.

The master copy of the extension is stored at:

https://github.com/TiddlyWiki/TiddlyFox/raw/master/tiddlyfox.xpi

On desktop Firefox, you can install TiddlyFox by pasting that URL into
the address bar and pressing enter. Of course, it may not be so easy
on Mobile Firefox...

Many thanks,

Jeremy

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Re: [twdev] Re: Testers needed for TiddlyFox, a TiddlyWiki extension for Firefox Yakov 10/3/12 11:12 AM
Ah, that's a file type of FF extension. Ok, going through the link did download and install the plugin (it is even displayed in the plugin manager). However, if I open a TiddlyWiki, it doesn't even ask if I want to enable saving, and saving doesn't work. May be it doesn't recognize a TW..

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Re: [twdev] Re: Testers needed for TiddlyFox, a TiddlyWiki extension for Firefox Yakov 10/3/12 11:44 AM
By the way, the same story with Aurora (17).


среда, 3 октября 2012 г., 22:01:24 UTC+4 пользователь Jeremy Ruston написал:
> Not sure what XPI is.. I can go to GitHub but if something needs some sort
Re: [twdev] Re: Testers needed for TiddlyFox, a TiddlyWiki extension for Firefox Jeremy Ruston 10/5/12 10:12 AM
> Ah, that's a file type of FF extension. Ok, going through the link did
> download and install the plugin (it is even displayed in the plugin
> manager). However, if I open a TiddlyWiki, it doesn't even ask if I want to
> enable saving, and saving doesn't work. May be it doesn't recognize a TW..

That does seem very hopeful. Accordingly, last night I downloaded the
Android Emulator on my Mac, with a view to trying out Mobile Firefox
for myself. Unfortunately, the emulator is excruciatingly slow and
crashy, and I didn't get further than successfully installing Mobile
Firefox. I'll keep bashing away at it.

Best wishes

Jeremy
Re: [twdev] Re: Testers needed for TiddlyFox, a TiddlyWiki extension for Firefox Yakov 10/7/12 11:33 AM
Thanks Jeremy, your help is very much appreciated. Best regards, Yakov.

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Re: Testers needed for TiddlyFox, a TiddlyWiki extension for Firefox Måns 10/12/12 12:58 AM
Hi Jeremy

It seems that the TiddlyFox-extention doesn't solve saving, when a TW is opened in the sidebar in FF 15.0.1 (and 16.0.1).
Could this be implemented/solved somehow ??

Cheers Måns Mårtensson

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Re: Testers needed for TiddlyFox, a TiddlyWiki extension for Firefox Mark S. 10/12/12 9:47 AM
On my FF15 system, I have about a dozen sets like this in pref.js :

  user_pref("capability.principal.codebase.p28.granted", "UniversalXPConnect");
  user_pref("capability.principal.codebase.p28.id", "file://");
  user_pref("capability.principal.codebase.p28.subjectName", "");

Can someone explain what the "p" values means?

Note that none of these specify a specific file.

I seem to be able to SAVE new TW files without Tiddly fox and without having to change anything in the prefs file. None of the TW files that I have been using are listed in the prefs.js. I'm wondering if the "file://" means that any local file can be written to. For me its been mostly importing that has been impacted by FF15.

If not this setting, then there must be some other magic setting that will allow you to save ... because its doing it on my system.

Thanks,
Mark



On Sunday, September 2, 2012 6:22:25 AM UTC-8, midpeter444 wrote:
Hi Jeremy,

Thanks for doing the TiddlyFox plugin.  Here are my results:

I'm on Ubuntu (Xubuntu) 11.10, using Firefox 15 and I tested a newly downloaded 2.6.5 TW.

First I downloaded and installed your TiddlyFox plugin.  I was able to save my previous 2.6.4 TW (which was already and still working due to being in the prefs.js file) and a new 2.6.5 - both worked, but requiring you to click the TiddlyFox dialog box.

Next, I disabled the TiddlyFox plugin and then edited by $HOME/.mozilla/xy_random/prefs.js file like so:

user_pref("capability.principal.codebase.p83.granted", "UniversalXPConnect");
user_pref("capability.principal.codebase.p83.id", "file:///home/midpeter444/spideroak/wiki/my-new-wiki.html");
user_pref("capability.principal.codebase.p83.subjectName", "");


and that also works to save the new 2.6.5 wiki without the TiddlyFox plugin.

It's nice to have two ways to solve this.  I will probably go with the manual editing step to avoid the dialog popup.  I will have to solve this on my Windows work computer in a few days when I get in the office again.

-Michael
Re: Testers needed for TiddlyFox, a TiddlyWiki extension for Firefox James Haydon 10/16/12 9:02 AM
Hi Jeremy,

You mentioned a checkbox appearing a second time. Does this extension (or Firefox) currently display the dialogue box on each launch? Is there a way to prevent this, pending your update that will disable it?

Thanks, and great work on getting Firefox to save properly!
James

On Monday, September 3, 2012 4:04:06 AM UTC+10, Jeremy Ruston wrote:
Hi Michael

Many thanks for the feedback. I'm working on adding auto-updating to
TiddlyFox. The plan is also to add a checkbox to prevent the dialogue
box from appearing a second time for a given file.

Best wishes

Jeremy
Re: [twdev] Re: Testers needed for TiddlyFox, a TiddlyWiki extension for Firefox Jeremy Ruston 10/18/12 12:56 AM
You mentioned a checkbox appearing a second time. Does this extension (or Firefox) currently display the dialogue box on each launch? Is there a way to prevent this, pending your update that will disable it?

No, I'm afraid there's no workaround until I update the extension - hopefully soon!

Best wishes

Jeremy

 

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Re: [twdev] Re: Testers needed for TiddlyFox, a TiddlyWiki extension for Firefox Marc 10/24/12 6:47 AM
Just to add my experience, I didn't notice any issues with FF 15 or 16 on an existing TiddlyWiki. I only noticed issues when I tried to save a new one, and found this thread.

I checked prefs.js and had a number of entries (as above) for "file://" as well as one for my specific file on a mapped network drive, file://h:/ ... etc.

I installed TiddlyFox from the official Mozilla site, and now I can save both files normally.

Looking forward to an update so I don't need the dialog box every time. Thanks for your continuing work on this.

- Marc
Re: Testers needed for TiddlyFox, a TiddlyWiki extension for Firefox Matt Curcio 11/7/12 7:16 PM
Greeetings All,
I have been an avid fan of tiddlywikis for 3-4 yrs now and use them quite often.  But I am really dismayed by the fact that I cant get older TW to work on my 'new' system.  I recetnly moved to a AMD 64 bit processor and hence  Ubuntu 12.04 LTS with FF 16.0.2 and all hell has broken lose.  I can't get many things to work.

I have installed the tiddlyfox extension and that went well and then downloaded the latest and greatest TW and again all is fine BUT I cannot import my tiddlys into my new TW.  I even went to the java. preferences and no go...  I just read that I may need to put the TW in the same dirs!?! 
Really Fussss-trated!

Any other suggestions,
Matt
Re: Testers needed for TiddlyFox, a TiddlyWiki extension for Firefox Jeremy Ruston 11/8/12 5:42 AM
Hi Matt

I'm sorry to hear of your frustration. It sounds like the problem is indeed that TW2.6.7 on Firefox can only import from TiddlyWiki files in the same folder. This problem is fixed in the upcoming version 2.7.0, but in the meantime your best bet is to temporarily move or copy the files into the same folder.

Best wishes

Jeremy
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Re: Testers needed for TiddlyFox, a TiddlyWiki extension for Firefox Hugues Bonnin 11/27/12 8:30 AM
I discovered for the first time today that I couldn't save anymore my TiddlyWikis (I'm not very serious in FF versions updates...). I confess I was a little bit in panic ! TiddlyWiki is my "paper saver" since april 09 !! But after identification of the problem, and installation of your solution TiddlyFox, the "return to save mode" was magic ! Thanks a lot ! You saved my (professional) life !


Le lundi 27 août 2012 23:18:30 UTC+2, Jeremy Ruston a écrit :
Firefox 15, which is currently in beta but scheduled to be released on
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Re: Testers needed for TiddlyFox, a TiddlyWiki extension for Firefox Michel de Greef 12/14/12 5:17 PM
Running on Debian Testing (CrunchBang Waldorf) 64 bits and therefore use IceWeasel (17.0.1) rather than FF. TiddlyWiki version
version = 2.6.5 ("October 6, 2011"). TiddlyWiki is using LessbackupsPlugin 3.0.1a,



I have used TiddlyWiki a number of years on a daily basis with very few problems, but not this time it seems!

I downloaded and installed your TiddlyFox plugin.  I was able not able  to save my TiddlyWiki!  Message is "Cannot save changes.. Browser does not support saving...".


Next, I disabled the TiddlyFox plugin and then edited by $HOME/.mozilla/xy_random/
prefs.js file like so:

user_pref("capability.principal.codebase.p83.granted", "UniversalXPConnect");
user_pref("capability.principal.codebase.p83.id", "file:///home/michel/documents/MyTiddlyWiki/MyTiddlyWiki.html");
user_pref("capability.principal.codebase.p83.subjectName", "");

And that did not work any better!

I am about to give up and choose and install a server for my notes, as I do use the wiki on a near constant basis!

Thanks for what has been a great product.  I do understand that the Mozilla/Debian/Iceweasel people have concerns about security, but that should not mean deleting facilities, rather ought to be  perhaps requiring a manual intervention or action.  But, hey, they are the powers that be!  :)

Thanks for any help you may be able to give and let me know if any other info might be helpful! and thank you very much for what has been to me a very helpful and useful software.

Michel

On Tuesday, 28 August 2012 05:18:30 UTC+8, Jeremy Ruston wrote:
...


I'd be very grateful for any testing, and ping me here with any
feedback or questions.
...
Re: Testers needed for TiddlyFox, a TiddlyWiki extension for Firefox Jeremy Ruston 12/14/12 10:30 PM
Hi Michel

I'm sorry you've been having problems. Conceivably there is some issue preventing TiddlyFox from working on IceWeasel, but it's like to be resolvable - we've recently managed to get it working in Firefox for Android.

Are you able to save changes with TiddlyFox if you use a new, fresh TiddlyWiki from tiddlywiki.com?

Best wishes

Jeremy
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Re: Testers needed for TiddlyFox, a TiddlyWiki extension for Firefox Vajra Natha 12/17/12 7:55 AM
Hi! Just tried to use my tiddlywiki today & it won't save. My firafox must have updated itself recently. I'm using 17.0.1 I downloaded TiddlyFox but it doesn't seem to make any difference. My OS is debian stable.

This is a bit of a disaster for me as I use
tiddlywiki for almost everything!


Re: Testers needed for TiddlyFox, a TiddlyWiki extension for Firefox Paul Flint 12/17/12 8:16 AM

Greetings,

I just experienced the horror of upgrading to Firefox 17 and discovering that tiddlyfox breaks at that point.  I did the following under Linux:
 wget http://tiddlywiki.com/
 mv index.html index_2012-12-17.html
 firefox index_2012-12-17.html

With tiddlyfox installed, I was able to write to the file.  Now comes the fun part, back-filling to this new version.

Regards,

Flint
Re: Testers needed for TiddlyFox, a TiddlyWiki extension for Firefox Vajra Natha 12/17/12 10:51 AM
I've fixed this by the way - upgrading TW from 2.1.3 to 2.6.6
Re: [twdev] Re: Testers needed for TiddlyFox, a TiddlyWiki extension for Firefox Matt Curcio 12/20/12 9:18 AM
Hi all,
I cannot get my imports from 2.3.3 to 2.6.6 to work at all.  I get a Netscape security issue pop. I am not sure that I find TW worth it if I can upgrade from version to version.
M

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Re: [twdev] Re: Testers needed for TiddlyFox, a TiddlyWiki extension for Firefox Jeremy Ruston 12/23/12 5:58 AM
Hi all,
I cannot get my imports from 2.3.3 to 2.6.6 to work at all.  I get a Netscape security issue pop. I am not sure that I find TW worth it if I can upgrade from version to version.

Hi Matt

I'm sorry you've been having problems. I'd suggest trying the new TiddlyWiki beta at http://tiddlywiki.com/beta, along with the latest version of TiddlyFox from:


Best wishes

Jeremy

 
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I've fixed this by the way - upgrading TW from 2.1.3 to 2.6.6


On Monday, 17 December 2012 16:55:34 UTC+1, Vajra Natha wrote:
Hi! Just tried to use my tiddlywiki today & it won't save. My firafox must have updated itself recently. I'm using 17.0.1 I downloaded TiddlyFox but it doesn't seem to make any difference. My OS is debian stable.

This is a bit of a disaster for me as I use
tiddlywiki for almost everything!


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Re: [twdev] Re: Testers needed for TiddlyFox, a TiddlyWiki extension for Firefox Paul Flint 12/23/12 8:28 AM
Greetings Jeremy,

I intend to re-check my ability to get linux firefox 17 to work with:
var version = {title: "TiddlyWiki", major: 2, minor: 7, revision: 0, date: new Date("December 15, 2012"), extensions: {}};

using tiddlyfox.

In the meanwile, note that I sent you a conventional email that contained the following observation:

As a fan and a user of Tiddlywikis for quite a while, the closing of the privilegeManager functions in aparently all browsers is
a real problem for me.  Several observations:

With file based tiddlers:
- Tiddlyfox works with Microsoft Internet Explorer.
- Chrome and rekonq seem to be most uncooperative
 - Firefox 16 and above do not appear to work with your Tiddlyfox plugin (I am reconfirming this :^).

The positive observation I deliver is that all of these use cases still work perfectly when you use a ziddly-wiki.
Ziddly wiki is a Zope II implemenation for server side tiddly wiki use.  
This is old and abandoned, but actually works, writes tiddly wikis consistently.

This issue is a distraction for all of us.  If you have time to guide me I would be happy to help.

Thanks for the years of tiddling and...

Kindest Regards,

Flint

Re: [twdev] Re: Testers needed for TiddlyFox, a TiddlyWiki extension for Firefox Jeremy Ruston 12/24/12 4:39 AM
I intend to re-check my ability to get linux firefox 17 to work with:
var version = {title: "TiddlyWiki", major: 2, minor: 7, revision: 0, date: new Date("December 15, 2012"), extensions: {}};

using tiddlyfox.

In the meanwile, note that I sent you a conventional email that contained the following observation:

Thank you, I'm afraid I've been in email bankruptcy recently...
 

As a fan and a user of Tiddlywikis for quite a while, the closing of the privilegeManager functions in aparently all browsers is
a real problem for me.  Several observations:

With file based tiddlers:
- Tiddlyfox works with Microsoft Internet Explorer.

Is that a typo? As far as I know the ActiveX file control that TiddlyWiki uses for saving is still present in modern desktop versions of IE. However, it's never been a satisfactory solution as it is limited to handling pure ASCII text, and the workarounds that TiddlyWiki uses to work with it's UTF-8 content are brittle and compromise the design on other browsers too.
 
- Chrome and rekonq seem to be most uncooperative

Some people report no problems with using TiddlySaver.jar on Chrome, but it evidently rather depends on having a working Java run time environment.
 
 - Firefox 16 and above do not appear to work with your Tiddlyfox plugin (I am reconfirming this :^).

Correction, TiddlyFox does definitely work on Firefox 16 and 17, not only for me on my OS X machine, but other users have also reported success, too. There's something going wrong in your environment that we need to debug, but TiddlyFox is basically sound.
 

The positive observation I deliver is that all of these use cases still work perfectly when you use a ziddly-wiki.
Ziddly wiki is a Zope II implemenation for server side tiddly wiki use.  
This is old and abandoned, but actually works, writes tiddly wikis consistently.

Well, ZiddlyWiki is really very old in TiddlyWiki terms, and I wouldn't recommend using it.
 

This issue is a distraction for all of us.  If you have time to guide me I would be happy to help.

My perspective is that we've enjoyed a few years where the browser has been usable on it's own as a general purpose computing environment -- by which I mean the ability to do useful work with standalone HTML files stored locally. But it's now clear that browser makers are valuing "security" above all else, and are all in their own way steadily eroding the (dangerous) standalone capabilities of browsers. That sounds bad, but in fact it is eclipsed by a much bigger trend, that of using smartphones and tablets instead of desktop computers. These devices have never supported general purpose computing in the browser.

While there are some strong use cases for a read-only TiddlyWiki (eg documentation distribution), obviously the real value of the thing comes from the ability to save changes. In TiddlyWiki5 we have a range of options:

- TiddlyFox will continue to be supported in desktop and mobile versions of Firefox
- TW5 can be hosted on TiddlyWeb or TiddlySpaec
- TW5 can be run as a node.js app (in the same manner as ZiddlyWiki) to which one navigates in the browser, and uses just like a conventional web app
- TW5 can be hosted on a cloud service like Dropbox, and then changes saved using the cloud service APIs
- TW5 has a lowest common denominator "download to save" option that allows changes to be saved on almost any standards compliant browser. The technique is rather manual and inconvenient, but it means that users have an "in extremis" way of saving changes when out and about. I think this is very significant: I think many users are happy to customise their "home" browser with things like TiddlyFox, but still value the ability to walk up to any browser with a USB port and do useful work

More than that, there is a big trend towards environments that allow HTML5 apps like TW5 to be directly executed in a number of ways:

- App.js merges node.js APIs with a built in browser allowing apps to be packaged as a desktop app - http://appjs.org
- Node-Webkit packs WebKit with node.js into a desktop app - https://github.com/rogerwang/node-webkit 
- Windows 8 supports HTML/JavaScript apps with privileged file system access

There are going to be more and more of these, frequently equipped with the node.js APIs that TW5 already uses.

So, I think the future of TW5 will still be based around the single file edition as the lowest common denominator, but that it will be packaged up in a variety of ways so that you'll be able to have a good experience on Android, iOS, Windows etc.

In terms of your offer to help, there are a number of explorations and investigations that would be valuable - for instance, I don't think anyone is looking at Windows 8 JS apps, or node-webkit. I'm corresponding with the developer of TWEdit with a view to adapting it for TW5. If there's any areas of particular interest for you I may be able to make more helpful suggestions,

Best wishes

Jeremy



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Re: Testers needed for TiddlyFox, a TiddlyWiki extension for Firefox Yakov 1/2/13 9:52 AM
Hi Jeremy,

first, I'd like to mention that no changes in TiddlyFox is needed to support loadRemoteFile in FireFox. In SharedTiddlersPlugin, I applied the same fixes that Eric introduced in tw 2.7.0 to httpReq, and including now works (the new version of STP is not published yet, though).

Second, I've seen you mentioned some problems with your email, so perhaps my response about backups in Android got lost too. For this case, here it is:

I can confirm that the backups has encoding problems. I tested FF beta 18.0 (current build, the number is not shown somewhy) in Android 2.3.6 and got texts like "A>1@0BL C65 =0?8A0==>5," etc instead of initial texts in Russian.

Quite the same story with FF beta 18.0 in Android 4.0.3. I didn't get the suggestion by FrD, though. FF doesn't give me an option of ISO-8859-15, so I can't reproduce this.

Best regards,
Yakov.

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Hi Yakov


> * seems that it works correctly for me (FF 15, Win 7 x64, TW with cyrillics)

Great, glad to hear it.

> * enable/disable TiddlyFox dialogue pops up each time I load a TW -- would
> be nice if it will be possible to select "don't ask for this TiddlyWiki
> again"

Yes, that's my number 1 outstanding feature

> * more technical issue: see [1]

Yes, I am also planning to support importing, but there's quite a bit
of work involved.


> * finally, the problem with FF15 is also present in Android, so if you can
> make the extension available in FF for Android, it will be very helpful

I don't have any experience of Firefox on Android, and don't know
whether it supports the necessary file APIs.

I had a quick look through the material linked from here:

https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Extensions/Firefox_on_Android

I've updated TiddlyFox to mark it as compatible with Firefox for
Android. I'd be very surprised if it worked properly, but do give it a
go and let me know how you get on,

Best wishes

Jeremy

> Best regards,
> Yakov.
>
> [1] https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/tiddlywikidev/zCOiEDAvk4M ,
> after @Jeremy
>
> вторник, 28 августа 2012 г., 1:18:30 UTC+4 пользователь Jeremy Ruston
> написал:
>>
>> Firefox 15, which is currently in beta but scheduled to be released on
>> August 28th, finally disables the trick that TiddlyWiki uses for
>> saving changes to itself (see [1]). From a general security
>> perspective, this is probably a good thing - especially if you've
>> watched a less computer-literate friend or relative deal with random
>> yes/no dialogue boxes; that familiar confirmation dialogue isn't much
>> protection.
>>
>> So, I've started work on a little Firefox extension called "TiddlyFox"
>> that can save files on behalf of TiddlyWiki.
>>
>> TiddlyFox stays in the background until you load a TiddlyWiki 2.x.x
>> document from a file: URL. It then patches the TiddlyWiki document on
>> the fly to have it invoke the extension to save files on it's behalf.
>>
>> I've tested the extension on Firefox 14 (the current version) and the
>> beta of Firefox 15.
>>
>> To install the extension, navigate to [2] in Firefox. You should be
>> prompted to install the plugin. Then, if you navigate to a TiddlyWiki
>> document on a file: URI you should get an alert notifying you that
>> TiddlyFox has patched the document. Save changes should then work in
>> the normal way.
>>
>> Right now, the extension is very basic, without a full user interface.
>> The plan is to add a proper confirmation dialogue, and to extend it
>> with functionality something like TiddlySnip for clipping bits of web
>> pages into a TiddlyWiki document. It will also work with TiddlyWiki5
>> (it doesn't yet).
>>
>> I'd be very grateful for any testing, and ping me here with any
>> feedback or questions.
>>
>> Best wishes
>>
>> Jeremy.
>>
>> [1] https://github.com/TiddlyWiki/tiddlywiki/issues/101
>> [2]
>> https://github.com/Jermolene/TiddlyWiki5/raw/master/tiddlyfox/extension/tiddlyfox.xpi
>>
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Re: Testers needed for TiddlyFox, a TiddlyWiki extension for Firefox Rocky Luo 2/17/13 6:43 PM
Hi,
I'm using Firefox 18 at Ubuntu 12.04 LTS, my locale is zh_CN.UTF-8 
I put the html file in purely english path (without any chines echaracters in the file path),
but i've a lot chinese characters in tiddlers of that html file.
Filefox can load and display all correctly, until I use TW to save the changes.

The extension broke my file after I safe changes and refresh the page.
All the Chinese characters turned out to be some strange code, and the tiddywiki scripts won't load any more.
And it will also brake the last backup file. Is that a kind of encoding issue?

Please look into this... thank you for you time.
Re: Testers needed for TiddlyFox, a TiddlyWiki extension for Firefox Nikhil VJ 2/26/13 7:29 AM
Hi Jeremy, thanks for all the work you've done on this.. Tiddlywiki is priceless to me; I've been using it on and off since 2009. I'm using Firefox 19 on Ubuntu 10.04, located in India. Installed the Tiddlyfox extension and it's working fine.
One triviality: every time I reload the tab, I get a popup which says:

TiddlyFox: Enabling TiddlyWiki file saving capability for:
file:///media/REALM%202/Good%20causes/Swaraj%20University/daily%20log.html

After a couple of sessions it can get intrusive. Can you include a preference in the extension to turn off the reminder? Or to make it something like the regular "Downloads completed" alert that comes up and goes off again in the bottom right? As it's only an FYI alert, not a decision-making prompt.

Thanks,
Nikhil
Pune, India
Re: Testers needed for TiddlyFox, a TiddlyWiki extension for Firefox Nikhil VJ 2/26/13 7:51 AM
Hi Jeremy,
Thank you so much for the work you've done so far. I've been using Tiddlywiki on and off since 2009 and it's priceless to me.
I'm on Ubuntu 10.04 and Firefox 19.0 (just updated). Installed the tiddlyox extension, restarted browser and it's working well; I'm able to save changes to my tiddlywiki file now (not sure which version it is, but I'd downloaded it around september 2012)

One triviality: Everytime the tab is reloaded, I get this popup titled "[Javascript Application]":

TiddlyFox: Enabling TiddlyWiki file saving capability for:
file:///media/REALM%202/Good%20causes/Swaraj%20University/daily%20log.html
There's a cancel and an OK button but both have the same, ie, no effect. It's just an FYI alert. So could you program the extension to make this resemble the less intrusive "downloads completed" alert that swims up in the bottom right? Or include a preference to turn off these alerts? Or not repeat alerts for the same file?

Thanks again
Re: Testers needed for TiddlyFox, a TiddlyWiki extension for Firefox Jeremy Ruston 2/26/13 7:57 AM
Hi Nikhil

Thanks for the kind words, much appreciated.

The latest version of TiddlyFox has been updated to only prompt once for each TiddlyWiki document. It hasn't yet made it through to the Mozilla Addons site, so you'll need to install it by pasting this address into Firefox:


Let me know how you get on,

Best wishes

Jeremy

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Re: Testers needed for TiddlyFox, a TiddlyWiki extension for Firefox Yakov 2/26/13 9:02 AM
Hi Jeremy,

вторник, 26 февраля 2013 г., 19:57:27 UTC+4 пользователь Jeremy Ruston написал:
Hi Nikhil

Thanks for the kind words, much appreciated.

The latest version of TiddlyFox has been updated to only prompt once for each TiddlyWiki document. It hasn't yet made it through to the Mozilla Addons site, so you'll need to install it by pasting this address into Firefox:


that link didn't work for me (404 error), probably that should be https://github.com/TiddlyWiki/TiddlyFox/blob/master/tiddlyfox.xpi (though, with this one I succeeded only by downloading the extension and installing it from the local file system).

By the way, approving each document only once is great, pity that the version in the FireFox extensions repository is not updated yet.

Best regards,
Yakov.
Re: [twdev] Re: Testers needed for TiddlyFox, a TiddlyWiki extension for Firefox Jeremy Ruston 2/26/13 9:20 AM
Thanks Yakov, my mistake.

(The latest version of TiddlyFox has been rejected by AMO because it stores preferences in LocalStorage rather than Firefox's preferences API. I'll produce an update as soon as I can).

Best wishes

Jeremy

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Re: [twdev] Re: Testers needed for TiddlyFox, a TiddlyWiki extension for Firefox Yakov 3/13/13 4:35 PM
Hi Jeremy,

I think I have bad news. Today I edited couple of my TWs (fortunately minor ones) via FF (with TiddlyFox) and they got badly corrupted. Those wikis contain text in cyrillics, and seem to be wrongly encoded. Auto-decoding via some online survice shows that the encoding is partially CP1163, partially ISO-8859-1 (and sometimes even that is not 100% correct). Fortunately, I've restored everything via decoding.

Both TW are 2.6.5, one of the has only one plugin (which sets persistent options), the other has some more. FireFox v19.0, win7 x64. Not sure about TiddlyFox version, but the file creation date in downloads is 3.03.2013 which looks like the latest time I updated TF. The bug is reproducable: I copy a TW, open in FF, save, reload -- and here it is, with corrupted data. For convenience, here's two copies of those wikis, before and after saving.

Best regards,
Yakov.

вторник, 26 февраля 2013 г., 21:20:55 UTC+4 пользователь Jeremy Ruston написал:
Re: [twdev] Re: Testers needed for TiddlyFox, a TiddlyWiki extension for Firefox Chris Dent 3/14/13 4:42 AM
On Wed, 13 Mar 2013, Yakov wrote:

> Hi Jeremy,
>
> I think I have bad news. Today I edited couple of my TWs (fortunately minor
> ones) via FF (with TiddlyFox) and they got badly corrupted. Those wikis
> contain text in cyrillics, and seem to be wrongly encoded. Auto-decoding
> via some online survice shows that the encoding is partially CP1163,
> partially ISO-8859-1 (and sometimes even that is not 100% correct).
> Fortunately, I've restored everything via decoding.


Not Jeremy, but I have a guess about what's going on. I would guess
that both TiddlyWiki and TiddlyFox are predisposed to treating all
content as UTF-8 encoded and _nothing_ else and don't bother to
check before decoding or encoding what encoding might already be
present.

TiddlyWeb certainly takes this tactic. It minimizes complexity while
maximizing possible character representations.
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Re: [twdev] Re: Testers needed for TiddlyFox, a TiddlyWiki extension for Firefox Yakov 3/14/13 4:56 PM
Hi Chris,

I'm afraid I'm not that familiar with the technical details (of the saving process) to understand what do you mean.

This test causes corruption of the whole non-latin content, not just of the part which was edited, so I don't understand what do you mean by

>  treating all content as UTF-8 encoded and _nothing_ else and don't bother to check before decoding or encoding what encoding might already be present 

The stored (non-edited) content should probably be in UTF-8 as TW edited it with its own engines, shouldn't it?

Best regards,
Yakov.

четверг, 14 марта 2013 г., 15:42:59 UTC+4 пользователь Chris Dent написал:
Re: [twdev] Re: Testers needed for TiddlyFox, a TiddlyWiki extension for Firefox Arc Acorn 3/15/13 2:00 AM
My test setup: TiddlyFox 1.0Alpha11 + FireFox 19 on Windows 7 x64 (sp0)
Using the linked: "fet mr copy for brutal test - before.html" file.

I had to manual delete the "SharedTiddlersPlugin" before it would let me make edits, however after that I had no issues making edits and saving with all the non-Latin characters staying intact.

You may try uninstalling TiddlyFox and downloading a fresh copy:
Maybe some how or another you got the older version that had issues of this nature.

Even though I had no issues using/saving this TiddlyWiki (2.6.5) you may still consider updating to 2.7.1:
To see if it helps fix your problem, as issues of a similar nature are listed as the major reason for the update.
Re: [twdev] Re: Testers needed for TiddlyFox, a TiddlyWiki extension for Firefox Jeremy Ruston 3/15/13 6:47 AM
Hi Yakov

Sorry you've been having problems, but delighted you've been able to save your work. It might be useful for others if you could share your experiences of using the online services that you mentioned.

I'm having trouble with the file "fet mr copy for brutal test - before.html". When it first opens, I get the message "Error when including 'zz microrep commons.html':", and then many macros failing with the error "TypeError: a.fetchTiddler is not a function". I assume this is the problem with the SharedTiddlersPlugin that Arc reports. Can you share a version of the file that doesn't use STP?

Many thanks

Jeremy


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Re: [twdev] Re: Testers needed for TiddlyFox, a TiddlyWiki extension for Firefox Yakov 3/19/13 2:45 PM
Hi Jeremy and Arc,

today I encountered one more corruption, of a big TW (took hell of time to recover), so today is the time to dig this more.

First, the online services. Well, they can be easily found by googling smth like "decode text online".. well, I've done this in russian and hence used russian services, but to give an example, I'll say that the one which worked well is [1]. It is quite straight-forward, the first button under the text area is "fit the encoding", the next one is to be used if you know how the text is actually encoded, the third one is "decode as previously" and the forth line contains examples of what you would get if you decode with another encoding pair (the buttons sais "show"). It is a little bit slow at times, but has a better "toolkit" which allows to decode anyway. Two more notes: if one tries to decode a whole tiddler, he or she should be aware that in the resulting text he'll get "<>" instead of each instance of macro ("<<...>>"); and that for multiline content it's necessary to track extra spacebars in the ends of lines (which appear and which can break tables etc).

Second, I've redone the testing (with the files attached previously). I found that my TF version was 1.0alpha10. The same tests with TW 1.0alpha12 showed no bug. I'll test with other TWs later and report if any problem remained.

As for the "Error when including 'zz microrep commons.html':" message, it's ok, it sais that the TiddlyWiki that is included by <<include>> macro is not actually present.

"TypeError: a.fetchTiddler is not a function" is a more serious issue, I got this bug once or twice in FF but can't reproduce it (aside in FF for Android, where I don't have many tools for debugging). Further details about this bug are welcome in the STP thread [2].

I forgot to test a TW without STP before updating TF, so can't really be sure what is the source of the encoding problem. STP doesn't really do anything with encodings and with the saving procedure as a whole, so I wouldn't expect it to be the source of the problem.. but in principle it can drive some bugs in other engines (TF itself or some more complicated chain).


пятница, 15 марта 2013 г., 17:47:50 UTC+4 пользователь Jeremy Ruston написал:
Re: [twdev] Re: Testers needed for TiddlyFox, a TiddlyWiki extension for Firefox Arc Acorn 4/22/13 12:22 AM
I realize things having to do with nightly builds are always a bit iffy, but I figure'd I would report that TiddlyFox is no longer working as of the Firefox 23.0a1

When trying to save I get the generic "not possible to save changes" notice. 
Re: [twdev] Re: Testers needed for TiddlyFox, a TiddlyWiki extension for Firefox Jeremy Ruston 4/22/13 1:46 AM
Thanks Arc, I've downloaded Firefox 23.0a1 on OS X and I'm experiencing the same behaviour. I'll investigate further and post back here,

Best wishes

Jeremy
Re: [twdev] Re: Testers needed for TiddlyFox, a TiddlyWiki extension for Firefox Jeremy Ruston 4/22/13 8:53 AM
Hi Arc

It turns out that 23 disables access to local storage from extensions, which is how TiddlyFox has been storing it's preferences.

I've updated TiddlyFox to use the recommended permission API, and it seems to work for me with 23.0a1. It doesn't attempt to transfer any permissions already in local storage, so you will have to re-approve each file that you use.

Download the new version from:


If it looks like it's working I'll submit it to the Mozilla Add-ons site, which will cause it to be autoupdated for most people.

Best wishes

Jeremy 
Re: [twdev] Re: Testers needed for TiddlyFox, a TiddlyWiki extension for Firefox Arc Acorn 4/22/13 11:42 AM
Seems to be working great for 23.0a1, 22.0a2, & 21
Tested on 32x & 64x Windows builds. 

It dose however seam to break support for older Firefox builds: Not working on Windows 32x builds for 20,19, &18 (probably more I just have these 3 handy).
Re: [twdev] Re: Testers needed for TiddlyFox, a TiddlyWiki extension for Firefox Jeremy Ruston 4/22/13 12:32 PM
Hi Arc

Thanks once again for your sleuthing. It turns out that the problem is a bug in Mozilla that prevents the preferences API from working correctly on documents loaded from a file URI. Here's the bug:


It appears it was fixed in Firefox 21, which lines up with your tests.

So, frustratingly the current position is:

* We have localstorage-based code that works in Firefox up to and including version 22
* We have nsIPermissionManager-based code that works in Firefox version 21 and up
* The addons.mozilla.org editors require TiddlyFox not to use localstorage in order for new versions to go back in the catalogue

The obvious answer is to carry the code for both mechanisms, and switch according to availability. I'm not sure how that strategy will play with the AMO editors, though.

I'll continue investigations and report back,

Best wishes

Jeremy

Re: [twdev] Re: Testers needed for TiddlyFox, a TiddlyWiki extension for Firefox Jeremy Ruston 4/23/13 3:18 AM
Hi Arc

I've gone ahead and created a new further 1.0alpha14 that uses local storage in older versions of Firefox. I'd be grateful if you could give it a go and see how you get on,

Many thanks,

Jeremy
Re: [twdev] Re: Testers needed for TiddlyFox, a TiddlyWiki extension for Firefox Arc Acorn 4/23/13 1:20 PM
Firefox 18,19,20,21,22,23 : 
On every load/start this window shows up:

Outside of that everything seems to be working like normal. Wikis can save/export/make backups and the normal permission box only shows it's self on the first load.

Re: [twdev] Re: Testers needed for TiddlyFox, a TiddlyWiki extension for Firefox Jeremy Ruston 4/23/13 2:06 PM
Hi Arc

Thanks, I've uploaded a new version which should fix that extraneous alert.

As things stand, users will have to re-enable permissions for each TW that they use at the point that they upgrade Firefox to version 23. I'll have a think about strategies for avoiding that.

Best wishes

Jeremy.
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Re: [twdev] Re: Testers needed for TiddlyFox, a TiddlyWiki extension for Firefox Arc Acorn 4/23/13 3:47 PM
All looks good! 

Re-enabling permissions per TW file isn't really bad, though if I may add a small request on this front:
It would be awesome if there was someway to prevent being asked for permission for permalinks.

Where as currently and for as long as I've been using TiddlyFire I have to allow permissions once for every unique set of permalinks:
empty.html#MakingLists
empty.html#MarkUp
empty.html#jQuery
empty.html#GettingStarted
empty.html#MakingLists MarkUp
empty.html#MakingLists MarkUp jQuery
empty.html#MakingLists MarkUp jQuery GettingStarted
empty.html#MarkUp jQuery
empty.html#MarkUp jQuery GettingStarted
empty.html#jQuery GettingStarted

At this point my main TW has probably accumulates well into the hundreds if not close to a thousand permission grants due to my extensive use of permalinks. 

Of course at this point I'm use to clicking okay so often when refreshing and opening temp links It could though of my rythem if that was changed. XD
Re: Testers needed for TiddlyFox, a TiddlyWiki extension for Firefox Daniel Brandes 4/25/13 10:38 PM

Hi Jeremy,

I want to use TW5 with the latest Firefox Portable version with TiddlyFox alpha15 installed, but everytime when I want to save, I get the following error.



Do you've any idea what the problem is?
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Re: Testers needed for TiddlyFox, a TiddlyWiki extension for Firefox Jeremy Ruston 4/26/13 12:41 AM
Hi Daniel

Strange. I can confirm that TiddlyFox + TiddlyWiki5 are working together for me on Firefox 21 and Firefox 23alpha, both running on OS X. I've not personally run any tests on Windows, and it looks like portable Firefox only runs on Windows. The error message suggests that the problem is something to do with the format of a path, which is an area of cross platform difficulties between OS X and Windows. I'll have to set up a VM to investigate this further.

Does TiddlyFox work for you on the same browser with classic TW?

Best wishes

Jeremy
Re: [twdev] Re: Testers needed for TiddlyFox, a TiddlyWiki extension for Firefox Jeremy Ruston 4/27/13 1:58 AM
Re-enabling permissions per TW file isn't really bad, though if I may add a small request on this front:
It would be awesome if there was someway to prevent being asked for permission for permalinks.

Ouch! Sorry about that, rather a silly bug. I'll fix it and post back as soon as I can,

Best wishes

Jeremy
Re: Testers needed for TiddlyFox, a TiddlyWiki extension for Firefox Paul Rodwell 4/28/13 2:39 AM
Hi Jeremy

This problem also exists using the current release of Firefox (v20.0.1), on Windows 7, with TW5. As far as I can see v21 is still in Beta, at least on Windows...

There does not appear to be a problem with classic TW

Re: setting up VMs, if you have not already seen it, Microsoft have put an number of pre-built one up at http://www.modern.ie/en-us/virtualization-tools

Best wishes

Paul
Re: Testers needed for TiddlyFox, a TiddlyWiki extension for Firefox Daniel Brandes 4/29/13 11:51 PM
Hi Jeremy,

the classic version + TiddlyFox is running without problems in the same setup.

Cheers Daniel
Re: Testers needed for TiddlyFox, a TiddlyWiki extension for Firefox Jeremy Ruston 5/1/13 8:15 AM
Hi Daniel

Thanks for the update. I've still not had time to set up a testing VM for this (my laptop is unusuable while Virtual Box imports .OVA files), but intend to issue an update sharpish that fixes the two recent issues with Windows and permalinks. I've tidied up the issues list on GitHub:


Cheers

Jeremy


Re: [twdev] Re: Testers needed for TiddlyFox, a TiddlyWiki extension for Firefox Jeremy Ruston 5/8/13 4:28 AM
The problem with TiddlyFox not ignoring the # part of URLs is now fixed. Please give the new release a try:


Best wishes

Jeremy
Re: [twdev] Re: Testers needed for TiddlyFox, a TiddlyWiki extension for Firefox Arc Acorn 5/8/13 11:19 AM
Looks good! 
Been using it for a couple hours with plenty of testing and haven't noticed anything other than smooth sailing!
Tanks for the great work! It'll probably save me a scary amount of time over the years not having to click that okay button so many times a day. XD|^^; 
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