|email sending services||reemy||4/30/11 2:42 PM|
Does anyone have experience emailing your customers using services
from one of the 4 following companies?
Any strong opinions on using your own domain name when you email
The basic trade-off is free/cheap services using sendgrid's domain
name, but with good analytical tools, vs. basic SMTP emailing
capabilities with limited analysis but our own domain name, with
AuthSMTP. (SMTP.com does not seem to have anything special to
recommend them, so they are out).
Google I am unsure about. Apart from search, I have been underwhelmed
by their products.
My startup, HelpAroundTown.com is hosted at EngineYard. We connect
people looking for help around the house or yard with neighbors
seeking odd jobs. The ability for users to message each other within
our system is part of connecting users. It turns out EngineYard does
not support email services (because "because the entire EC2 IP space
is black-listed by many spam services.")
They refer users instead to the above companies.
I've developed a little spreadsheet comparing the offerings at the low
levels of usage we can expect at launch (MVP due next week). Let me
know if you are interested and I will email you the spreadsheet.
|Re: [lsc] email sending services||Gaurav Sharma||4/30/11 4:19 PM|
I have only used SendGrid. Setting up SendGrid is a breeze by simply replacing the SMTP credentials. I don't see AWS SES in your list, might want to check it out.
|RE: [lsc] email sending services||Max H.||4/30/11 5:22 PM|
I've used GoogleApps and AuthSMTP before.
GoogleApps is mostly for applications hosted on it and requires you to send
AuthSMTP is pretty reliable. Other than the fact that they give you cryptic
Hope that helps.
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|Re: [lsc] email sending services||Dan Croak||4/30/11 6:11 PM|
Sendgrid is awesome. Highly recommended. Away from my computer to confirm but pretty sure you can use your own domain name with it.
Used to use AuthSMTP but fell out of favor. Complicated, anecdotally Sendgrid's had better deliverability for us and much easier to manage.
I also recommend Amazon SES. We calculated we'd save about $10,000 in 2011 switching from Sendgrid to SES. Still haven't switched (loyal to the service that got us where we are, still a few more features), but a switch is still on the table.
|Re: [lsc] email sending services||rajan chandi||5/1/11 1:04 AM|
+1 for SES.
We are using SES - There are some issues around sending attachments though!
|Re: [lsc] email sending services||Catherine MacDonald||5/1/11 1:12 AM|
I'd be very interesting in hearing about others' experience with deliverability with SES as compared to Sendgrid or any of the other alternatives. Great conversation!
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|Re: [lsc] email sending services||Kamal Hussain||5/1/11 3:31 PM|
|Re: [lsc] email sending services||Dan Croak||5/1/11 8:50 PM|
Kamal, I respectfully disagree.
The time it takes to research DKIM, SPF, ISP rate limits, content inspection, bounces and spam reports, let alone implement a solution from scratch, is more costly than the price of using a service like Sendgrid or SES for many months for most startups.
|Re: [lsc] email sending services||rajan chandi||5/1/11 9:55 PM|
Amazon SES is a better way to go, if you're not spamming people!
|Re: [lsc] email sending services||Gary Benitt||5/2/11 9:26 AM|
Another one that's not on your list that is very slick and easy to use is postmarkapp.com - by the makers of beanstalkapp.com. I highly recommend it for simplicity, usability (great interface for seeing what happened to your emails, tagging, metrics, etc.) and deliverability...
|Re: [lsc] email sending services||John A. De Goes||5/2/11 10:20 AM|
You can and should be using SendGrid. Don't waste your time on peripheral issues like SMTP emailing -- focus on your core value proposition and outsource everything else.
It's easy to use SendGrid with your own domain name. They can help you set it up if you like.
|Re: email sending services||reemy||5/2/11 8:58 PM|
Thank you all for your answers. Elizabeth at LaunchBit also offered
great help & advice.
Thank you for recommending Postmark, Gary. I checked it out and it
sounds PERFECT for our need to build a solid internal messaging system
- the type of transactional emails Postmark is designed for. At $1.50
per 1,000 emails, I can't wait till we hit the $3 mark!
Postmark's blog has a good entry on bulk vs. transactional email:
MailChimp is still the most recommended for bulk marketing campaigns -
although newsberry (from Wildbit, which also offers Postmark) seems
cheaper. Any experience with newsberry?
|Re: [lsc] Re: email sending services||Cooper Marcus||5/3/11 9:02 AM|
I'm having great luck with Postmark and recommend it highly
Note that MailChimp, while typically considered an ESP (Email Service Provider, the generic term for email marketing platforms), they recently announced a transactional email service, which sits on top of Amazon SES http://blog.mailchimp.com/mailchimp-launches-transactional-email-service-on-top-of-amazon-ses/
|Re: [lsc] email sending services||Tomas Janovsky||5/2/11 4:23 PM|
I feel that this is not exactly issue for this discussion, but anyway.
If you are going to use your own domain, you need to setup PTR record
I agree that it's a peripheral issue and you should concentrate on the
And a little advice, I'm sure your developers are aware of it, but I
|Re: email sending services||Avalanchaa||5/3/11 10:00 PM|
Can you tell us more about how to set up Amazon SES? Would it be
possible to use PHP List? ? I can see the cost is "Email messages are
charged at $0.10 per thousand." and data transfers in should be
minimum because marketing campaigns are not heavy messages. Where can
I find more information about this? I think it will worth the cost
compared to having a recurrent monthly payment on mailchimp (which is
one of the best solutions).
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> >> Subject: Re: [lsc] email sending services> >> On Sun, May 1, 2011 at 10:04 AM, rajan chandi <chandi.ra...@gmail.com<http://mc/compose?to=chandi.ra...@gmail.com>
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> >> > On Apr 30, 2011, at 7:19 PM, Gaurav Sharma <gsha...@gmail.com<http://mc/compose?to=gsha...@gmail.com>>
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|Re: email sending services||Avalanchaa||5/4/11 7:00 AM|
Can you tell us more about how to set up Amazon EC2 with SES + Php
list? what is the benefit compared to having only PHP installed in a
> --- On Sun, 5/1/11, Catherine MacDonald <cmacdo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Subject: Re: [lsc] email sending services
> On Sun, May 1, 2011 at 10:04 AM, rajan chandi <chandi.ra...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 5/1/11, Dan Croak <dcr...@thoughtbot.com> wrote:> >http://robots.thoughtbot.com/post/3105121049/delivering-email-with-am...
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|Re: [lsc] Re: email sending services||Michael Kimsal||5/4/11 9:55 AM|
I can recommend critsend.com - had very good service from them over the last year. Pricing starts at $0.50 per thousand and goes down from there. It's not as low as Amazon's pricing, but it's 'pay as you go' as well (well, you buy credits ahead of time, and they're good for 3 years).
|Re: [lsc] Re: email sending services||rajan chandi||5/4/11 2:39 PM|
Amazon SES pricing here:-
Apart from that, MailChimp is a email marketing platform and I use it differently than SES - which is like a SendGrid - APIs to send emails from your web application.
MailChimp also has recently come up with a service on top of amazon SES.
|RE: [lsc] Re: email sending services||Max H.||5/4/11 2:50 PM|
While we’re on the subject of email sending services, does anyone know of a more comprehensive service that not just focus on having send email capability but also receiving email API as well?
For example, I like to be able to assign callback functions to programmatically process email, depending on what email addresses it was sent to or just create email addresses on-the-fly.
The only one I found is emailyak.com. Is there other ones?
Thanks in advance,
|Re: [lsc] Re: email sending services||Cooper Marcus||5/4/11 3:22 PM|
Context.IO provides API access to Gmail accounts
|Re: [lsc] Re: email sending services||John A. De Goes||5/4/11 3:32 PM|
SendGrid also does this. See the Parse API.