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The Next Dimension of Google Maps - Official Post Google Craig 6/6/12 11:06 AM
Today, we provided a preview of some changes that are coming to the 3D landscape in Google Earth, starting on mobile devices. Later this summer, we’ll unveil a new way of displaying 3D buildings on Google Earth for mobile, achieved by building complete cityscapes from the 45-degree aerial imagery used in Google Maps and Building Maker.

One of the biggest challenges in showing 3D buildings in Google Earth has been gathering complete 3D coverage to represent the real world seamlessly and consistently. For example, many areas in Google Earth have specific buildings and landmarks in 3D where they are available, but the surrounding area is flattened out and only available in two dimensions.

New imagery rendering and computer vision techniques now allow us to create an accurate and comprehensive 3D representation of entire metropolitan areas. But we recognize this impacts our amazing geo modeling community. In the select areas where it will launch, the 3D Buildings layer on mobile and tablet devices will display only the new automatically generated 3D imagery. Manually modeled 3D buildings from both our users and own team will continue to appear everywhere else, as well as on desktop versions of Google Earth for now. As we expand our ability to provide comprehensive 3D buildings and terrain for entire cities and regions, we know this raises questions for anyone who has modeled for Google Earth.

What is going to happen to the buildings in Google Earth that I’ve modeled?
When we release the new 3D imagery in select regions later this summer, any models you’ve previously created in the areas covered by the new 3D imagery will no longer appear in Google Earth for mobile. Your models will remain available in the 3D Warehouse and continue to inform the 3D models in Google Maps.

What about Building Maker models?
Building Maker is a useful tool irregardless of the eligibility for those models to appear in the 3D Building layer in Google Earth. It's a great way to start a dimensionally accurate, aerially textured model for SketchUp, and useful for creating context models for SketchUp scenes. Building Maker will continue to be available for these purposes.

What about SketchUp models?
In the regions where the new 3D imagery is available, we will no longer publish the 3D Buildings layer in Google Earth for mobile. However, we anticipate that there will be many parts of the globe that will take some time to expand to with this new type of 3D imagery, or never be able to reach at all. In those regions, user contributed models will still be important for providing a complete picture of the 3D landscape. User contributed 3D buildings may also continue to help inform the 3D buildings on Maps.

Why is my model being replaced by something with less geometric detail?
In some cases, the close-up work done by individual modelers may be more detailed than the current model created by the new 3D imagery techniques. Those detailed and beautifully textured models will of course continue to be available in the 3D Warehouse, and we appreciate you letting us share your model in Google Earth to date to provide a representation of the world in three dimensions.

However, using aerial imagery to create 3D models enables us to keep these 3D versions of the world more accurate and up-to-date than is possible with manually created models. In addition, the new 3D buildings and terrain are all generated from the same high resolution aerial imagery, enabling precise alignment of the new models and a seamless 3D experience across an entire area. In an effort to create an accurate, consistent, and more complete 3D representation of the Earth, we are replacing all existing models with the new 3D imagery and will continue working to improve them over time.

WiIl I still be able to submit buildings to Google Earth?
We are thrilled by the commitment shown by users contributing 3D buildings to Google Earth, and hope to continue working with these modelers from all over the world to accurately and realistically represent areas where the new 3D models are not able to be created. We encourage you to submit your models for areas where we have not released new 3D imagery.

How will I know if my models are going to be affected?
We are currently exploring ways to inform you about changes to the places where your model appears.

So what does this mean for the future of 3D in Google Earth?
As mentioned above, there are many areas that will remain unaffected by the initial release of new 3D imagery on Google Earth for mobile, and will continue to display user contributed 3D models. For modelers who would still like to publish SketchUp models for clients, you can create your own instance of Google Earth via the plugin using the Google Earth API, which enables you to publish 3D content on the web to share with clients or the general public.

Our goal remains to create an accurate, consistent and comprehensive 3D representation of the Earth. With 3D imagery in its infancy, we can’t truly see what the future holds; but the one constant in this fast-paced, high-tech world is change, and further improvements are ahead.
 
Re: The Next Dimension of Google Maps - Official Post peterg/gipuzkoa3d 6/6/12 12:39 PM
Hola Craig

Despues de leer tu post, me surgen algunas dudas..

¿ Esto quiere decir que todos modelos hechos en sketchup y aceptados
en la capa 0 van a desparecer de google earth ?

¿ Los modelos importantes se conservan en Google Earth ?  ¿ pero
desaparecen en los dispositivos móviles....?

¿ el cambio que anuncias,  solo significa una diferencia entre
móviles
y pc de escritorio ?

Me parece entender que..

¿solo en dispositivos móviles desparecen los modelos creados por
nosotros ?

esperando más información te envío un saludo...

:(
:)

Peterg

On 6 jun, 20:06, CraigD - Google <cra...@google.com> wrote:
> *Today, we provided a preview<http://googleblog.blogspot.com/2012/06/never-ending-quest-for-perfect...>of some changes that are coming to the 3D landscape in Google Earth,
> starting on mobile devices. Later this summer, we’ll unveil a new way of
> displaying 3D buildings on Google Earth for mobile, achieved by building
> complete cityscapes from the 45-degree aerial imagery used in Google Maps
> and Building Maker.
>
> One of the biggest challenges in showing 3D buildings in Google Earth has
> been gathering complete 3D coverage to represent the real world seamlessly
> and consistently. For example, many areas in Google Earth have specific
> buildings and landmarks in 3D where they are available, but the surrounding
> area is flattened out and only available in two dimensions.
>
> New imagery rendering and computer vision techniques now allow us to create
> an accurate and comprehensive 3D representation of entire metropolitan
> areas. But we recognize this impacts our amazing geo modeling community. In
> the select areas where it will launch, the 3D Buildings layer on mobile and
> tablet devices will display only the new automatically generated 3D
> imagery. Manually modeled 3D buildings from both our users and own team
> will continue to appear everywhere else, as well as on desktop versions of
> Google Earth for now. As we expand our ability to provide comprehensive 3D
> buildings and terrain for entire cities and regions, we know this raises
> questions for anyone who has modeled for Google Earth.
>
> What is going to happen to the buildings in Google Earth that I’ve modeled?
> When we release the new 3D imagery in select regions later this summer, any
> models you’ve previously created in the areas covered by the new 3D imagery
> will no longer appear in Google Earth for mobile. Your models will remain
> available in the 3D Warehouse and continue to inform the 3D models in
> Google Maps<http://google-latlong.blogspot.com/2012/03/introducing-more-detailed-...>
> .
>
> What about Building Maker models?
> Building Maker is a useful tool irregardless of the eligibility for those
> models to appear in the 3D Building layer in Google Earth. It's a great way
> to start a dimensionally accurate, aerially textured model for SketchUp,
> and useful for creating context models for SketchUp scenes. Building Maker
> will continue to be available for these purposes.
>
> What about SketchUp models?
> In the regions where the new 3D imagery is available, we will no longer
> publish the 3D Buildings layer in Google Earth for mobile. However, we
> anticipate that there will be many parts of the globe that will take some
> time to expand to with this new type of 3D imagery, or never be able to
> reach at all. In those regions, user contributed models will still be
> important for providing a complete picture of the 3D landscape. User
> contributed 3D buildings may also continue to help inform the 3D buildings
> on Maps<http://google-latlong.blogspot.com/2012/03/introducing-more-detailed-...>
> .
> instance of Google Earth via the plugin using the Google Earth API<https://developers.google.com/earth/>,
> which enables you to publish 3D content on the web to share with clients or
> the general public.
>
> Our goal remains to create an accurate, consistent and comprehensive 3D
> representation of the Earth. With 3D imagery in its infancy, we can’t truly
> see what the future holds; but the one constant in this fast-paced,
> high-tech world is change, and further improvements are ahead. *
Re: The Next Dimension of Google Maps - Official Post drobbins 6/6/12 1:01 PM
Thanks for the update Craig!

The post still doesn't answer my questions.

1.Will those new models that will replace the ones that were made by
hand be interactive (clickable)?

This in my opinion was the real power of Google Earth's 3D layer was
to click on a whole building and have a pop-up bubble lead you to
other relevant information about the location or to Place pages of
nearby businesses. Does the new 3D buildings retain that layer of
interactivity or will that all be handled by geo-located icons near
the building locations?

Also, can I make individual buildings disappear like with the current
state of models in the 3D layer? That is convenient for me when I want
to place a new structure in an existing building's location. I right
click and make that model go away then upload through Sketchup my new
model in it's place. Will that type of functionality be retained?


Let's say there is a current location that has no user generated model
in the 3D warehouse, and an automated one is generated for the 3D
upgrade. I'm pretty sure that the automated one at ground level will
look melty and undefined, but I would like to take the model that
exists and use it as a base to refine and use for my own purposes.
Will the new Automated models be made available for download from the
3D warehouse so I could do that in Sketchup?

Thanks,

Darian


On Jun 6, 2:06 pm, CraigD - Google <cra...@google.com> wrote:
> *Today, we provided a preview<http://googleblog.blogspot.com/2012/06/never-ending-quest-for-perfect...>of some changes that are coming to the 3D landscape in Google Earth,
> starting on mobile devices. Later this summer, we’ll unveil a new way of
> displaying 3D buildings on Google Earth for mobile, achieved by building
> complete cityscapes from the 45-degree aerial imagery used in Google Maps
> and Building Maker.
>
> One of the biggest challenges in showing 3D buildings in Google Earth has
> been gathering complete 3D coverage to represent the real world seamlessly
> and consistently. For example, many areas in Google Earth have specific
> buildings and landmarks in 3D where they are available, but the surrounding
> area is flattened out and only available in two dimensions.
>
> New imagery rendering and computer vision techniques now allow us to create
> an accurate and comprehensive 3D representation of entire metropolitan
> areas. But we recognize this impacts our amazing geo modeling community. In
> the select areas where it will launch, the 3D Buildings layer on mobile and
> tablet devices will display only the new automatically generated 3D
> imagery. Manually modeled 3D buildings from both our users and own team
> will continue to appear everywhere else, as well as on desktop versions of
> Google Earth for now. As we expand our ability to provide comprehensive 3D
> buildings and terrain for entire cities and regions, we know this raises
> questions for anyone who has modeled for Google Earth.
>
> What is going to happen to the buildings in Google Earth that I’ve modeled?
> When we release the new 3D imagery in select regions later this summer, any
> models you’ve previously created in the areas covered by the new 3D imagery
> will no longer appear in Google Earth for mobile. Your models will remain
> available in the 3D Warehouse and continue to inform the 3D models in
> Google Maps<http://google-latlong.blogspot.com/2012/03/introducing-more-detailed-...>
> .
>
> What about Building Maker models?
> Building Maker is a useful tool irregardless of the eligibility for those
> models to appear in the 3D Building layer in Google Earth. It's a great way
> to start a dimensionally accurate, aerially textured model for SketchUp,
> and useful for creating context models for SketchUp scenes. Building Maker
> will continue to be available for these purposes.
>
> What about SketchUp models?
> In the regions where the new 3D imagery is available, we will no longer
> publish the 3D Buildings layer in Google Earth for mobile. However, we
> anticipate that there will be many parts of the globe that will take some
> time to expand to with this new type of 3D imagery, or never be able to
> reach at all. In those regions, user contributed models will still be
> important for providing a complete picture of the 3D landscape. User
> contributed 3D buildings may also continue to help inform the 3D buildings
> on Maps<http://google-latlong.blogspot.com/2012/03/introducing-more-detailed-...>
> .
> instance of Google Earth via the plugin using the Google Earth API<https://developers.google.com/earth/>,
> which enables you to publish 3D content on the web to share with clients or
> the general public.
>
> Our goal remains to create an accurate, consistent and comprehensive 3D
> representation of the Earth. With 3D imagery in its infancy, we can’t truly
> see what the future holds; but the one constant in this fast-paced,
> high-tech world is change, and further improvements are ahead. *
Re: The Next Dimension of Google Maps - Official Post Google Craig 6/6/12 1:07 PM
Hi Peterg, 

I understand this news is coming as a shock to many of you, so we tried to detail what we could in the above announcement. That being said we're here to answer whatever questions we can.

No, not all models made in SketchUp will disappear. Only the 3D models (SketchUp and Building Maker) that are located in the selected cities in Google Earth will be replaced with the 3D imagery models.

Right now, Google Earth on mobile devices will replace the 3D Buildings in select areas when it is release later this summer. We believe that mobile access, on tablets and mobile devices, is becoming more important every day. Here's the official word:

Why is this only available on mobile? Will auto-generated buildings be available on Earth for desktop in the future?
Increasingly, users want to access information - be it text or geographical - while on the go. We’re excited to soon offer these 3D cities and tours on Google Earth for mobiles and tablets. We’re working to provide a consistent user experience across both mobile and desktop, and hope to announce a desktop version as soon as possible.
 

I hope that helps answer your questions.

Thanks,

    - CraigD
Re: The Next Dimension of Google Maps - Official Post Google Craig 6/6/12 1:19 PM
Hi Darian, thanks for your good questions. Unfortunately, at this time I can't go into too many details about the functionality.

Regarding hide, because the buildings are created from a mesh, there is currently no "Hide Building" capability. 

More functional details will become available as we get closer to the mobile devices launch.

Cheers,

   - CraigD
Re: The Next Dimension of Google Maps - Official Post Kevin DeVito 6/6/12 1:27 PM
So Glad I partnered with Esri last year! This is the exact same method Apple will use. It is a big grid. I have no problem with that but your 3D modeler network will likely be unhappy. 
Re: The Next Dimension of Google Maps - Official Post drobbins 6/6/12 1:44 PM
Kevin,

It's not that I am unhappy, but I'm disappointed. I see (saw) a lot of
potential for the tool that Google Earth/3D models/interactivity could
be, but realizing that it won't realize that full potential because
that's not Google's business focus. That's not a slight, Google, I
have enjoyed playing around with your tools, I just have a different
vision and desire for capabilities that I would want in those tools.

Darian

On Jun 6, 4:27 pm, Kevin DeVito <devitoke...@gmail.com> wrote:
> So Glad I partnered with Esri last year! This is the exact same method
> Apple will use. It is a big grid. I have no problem with that but your 3D
> modeler network will likely be unhappy.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Wednesday, June 6, 2012 11:06:05 AM UTC-7, CraigD - Google wrote:
>
> > *Today, we provided a preview<http://googleblog.blogspot.com/2012/06/never-ending-quest-for-perfect...>of some changes that are coming to the 3D landscape in Google Earth,
> > starting on mobile devices. Later this summer, we’ll unveil a new way of
> > displaying 3D buildings on Google Earth for mobile, achieved by building
> > complete cityscapes from the 45-degree aerial imagery used in Google Maps
> > and Building Maker.
>
> > One of the biggest challenges in showing 3D buildings in Google Earth has
> > been gathering complete 3D coverage to represent the real world seamlessly
> > and consistently. For example, many areas in Google Earth have specific
> > buildings and landmarks in 3D where they are available, but the surrounding
> > area is flattened out and only available in two dimensions.
>
> > New imagery rendering and computer vision techniques now allow us to
> > create an accurate and comprehensive 3D representation of entire
> > metropolitan areas. But we recognize this impacts our amazing geo modeling
> > community. In the select areas where it will launch, the 3D Buildings layer
> > on mobile and tablet devices will display only the new automatically
> > generated 3D imagery. Manually modeled 3D buildings from both our users and
> > own team will continue to appear everywhere else, as well as on desktop
> > versions of Google Earth for now. As we expand our ability to provide
> > comprehensive 3D buildings and terrain for entire cities and regions, we
> > know this raises questions for anyone who has modeled for Google Earth.
>
> > What is going to happen to the buildings in Google Earth that I’ve modeled?
> > When we release the new 3D imagery in select regions later this summer,
> > any models you’ve previously created in the areas covered by the new 3D
> > imagery will no longer appear in Google Earth for mobile. Your models will
> > remain available in the 3D Warehouse and continue to inform the 3D models
> > in Google Maps<http://google-latlong.blogspot.com/2012/03/introducing-more-detailed-...>
> > .
>
> > What about Building Maker models?
> > Building Maker is a useful tool irregardless of the eligibility for those
> > models to appear in the 3D Building layer in Google Earth. It's a great way
> > to start a dimensionally accurate, aerially textured model for SketchUp,
> > and useful for creating context models for SketchUp scenes. Building Maker
> > will continue to be available for these purposes.
>
> > What about SketchUp models?
> > In the regions where the new 3D imagery is available, we will no longer
> > publish the 3D Buildings layer in Google Earth for mobile. However, we
> > anticipate that there will be many parts of the globe that will take some
> > time to expand to with this new type of 3D imagery, or never be able to
> > reach at all. In those regions, user contributed models will still be
> > important for providing a complete picture of the 3D landscape. User
> > contributed 3D buildings may also continue to help inform the 3D
> > buildings on Maps<http://google-latlong.blogspot.com/2012/03/introducing-more-detailed-...>
> > .
> > instance of Google Earth via the plugin using the Google Earth API<https://developers.google.com/earth/>,
> > which enables you to publish 3D content on the web to share with clients or
> > the general public.
>
> > Our goal remains to create an accurate, consistent and comprehensive 3D
> > representation of the Earth. With 3D imagery in its infancy, we can’t truly
> > see what the future holds; but the one constant in this fast-paced,
> > high-tech world is change, and further improvements are ahead. *
Re: The Next Dimension of Google Maps - Official Post profedetecno 6/6/12 2:07 PM
Que me lo expliquen por favor.

Van a desaparecer nuestros edificios de google earth?
Van a dejar de aceptar edificios en google earth?
Soy profesor en un instituto y mis alumnos estan entusiamados con crear modelos, incluso han participado en el MYT 2012, y quieren seguir creando edificios. ¿Que les digo? parad chicos que ya no los van  aceptar.

Me gustaria que me lo aclarasen.
Gracias.

El miércoles, 6 de junio de 2012 20:06:05 UTC+2, CraigD - Google escribió:
Re: The Next Dimension of Google Maps - Official Post profedetecno 6/6/12 2:09 PM
Tiene esto algo que ver con la compra de sketchup por parte de Trimble?


El miércoles, 6 de junio de 2012 20:06:05 UTC+2, CraigD - Google escribió:
Today, we provided a preview of some changes that are coming to the 3D landscape in Google Earth, starting on mobile devices. Later this summer, we’ll unveil a new way of displaying 3D buildings on Google Earth for mobile, achieved by building complete cityscapes from the 45-degree aerial imagery used in Google Maps and Building Maker.
 
Re: The Next Dimension of Google Maps - Official Post Paul van Dinther 6/6/12 2:09 PM
I must be using maps wrong. First of all, I never use Google earth on my Nexus one. In fact. I un-installed it to make some room. When I am out and about I use Google maps a lot. Mostly for turn by turn navigation but also to orient what I am on foot. The reason a flat map works on a mobile phone is because the interaction is easy and I am only interested in where am I and how do I get there. Sometimes I search for a business but that is rare.

Having 3D landscape and city data available is great if I want to see a location in context. This is more when I want to know something about a location for holiday, accommodation, real-estate etc. I don't tend to do that on my mobile phone but on my large screen desktop. But this is of course only my perspective on it all.

I suspect the real reason this new data is rolled out to mobile first is because there is little legacy. Mixing the old 3D building data with the new data is probably undesirable and therefore desktop won't be rolled out until enough of the new data is available. I am guessing the Google Earth code base is about to be scrapped as Google transitions to a 3D enabled maps on the browser using Web-GL

I would like to know how much of the Google Earth API will be retained. I suspect the First person view possible in Google Earth will no longer be available due to technical and resolution limitations. As a Google Earth developer it would be great to hear more about this.
Re: The Next Dimension of Google Maps - Official Post drobbins 6/6/12 2:17 PM
That's a good question about the API functionality, Paul.
Re: The Next Dimension of Google Maps - Official Post pmolsen 6/6/12 2:21 PM
It didn't take long for the axe to fall. This is what I said on May 5th on the Supermodeler forum following the Trimble announcement:

"As I said in a posting a month or so ago, several other companies have already demonstrated automated 3D modelling of complete cities. Google will be left behind in the dust if it continues with manual modelling.

 I suspect this is the beginning of the end for our hobby. I expect they will release automated models for numerous complete cities in the near future. Then they won’t need Sketchup (or us) any more.

 Oh well, it was fun while it lasted."


Craig, are  you able to tell us whether Google intends to publish the rollout schedule of cities to Earth and Maps desktop please? I was working on a major modelling project (Cockatoo Island in SYdney Harbour). Clearly no point in continuing if Sydney will be replaced in the near future.

Another question. Will it be possible to turn off the 3D buildings mesh and turn on either all or individual Sketchup models, or are they now effectively dead and buried? 

Re: The Next Dimension of Google Maps - Official Post pmolsen 6/6/12 2:30 PM
I feel sorry for you in particular Paul. You obviously have a lot more time and energy invested in the current Earth and Maps than many. 


On Thursday, June 7, 2012 7:09:51 AM UTC+10, Paul van Dinther wrote:
I must be using maps wrong. First of all, I never use Google earth on my Nexus one. In fact. I un-installed it to make some room. When I am out and about I use Google maps a lot. Mostly for turn by turn navigation but also to orient what I am on foot. The reason a flat map works on a mobile phone is because the interaction is easy and I am only interested in where am I and how do I get there. Sometimes I search for a business but that is rare.

Having 3D landscape and city data available is great if I want to see a location in context. This is more when I want to know something about a location for holiday, accommodation, real-estate etc. I don't tend to do that on my mobile phone but on my large screen desktop. But this is of course only my perspective on it all.

I suspect the real reason this new data is rolled out to mobile first is because there is little legacy. Mixing the old 3D building data with the new data is probably undesirable and therefore desktop won't be rolled out until enough of the new data is available. I am guessing the Google Earth code base is about to be scrapped as Google transitions to a 3D enabled maps on the browser using Web-GL

I would like to know how much of the Google Earth API will be retained. I suspect the First person view possible in Google Earth will no longer be available due to technical and resolution limitations. As a Google Earth developer it would be great to hear more about this.

Hey Pauyl
...
Re: The Next Dimension of Google Maps - Official Post Google Craig 6/6/12 2:33 PM
Hello profedetecno, there are many regions that will not be affected for quite some time. Your class will still be able to create models for your region using SketchUp, but it is currently unclear how they will be previewed in areas that have auto generated 3D data.

Only buildings that are in auto generated areas will disappear from Google Earth when it is released.

It is unclear what the plans are for Model Your Town competitions at this time.

The autogenerated 3D model technology has nothing to do with SketchUp's sale to Trimble.

Thank you for your questions.

Cheers,

     - CraigD
Re: The Next Dimension of Google Maps - Official Post Google Craig 6/6/12 2:46 PM
Hi Peter, I can appreciate your disappointment. Your models are some of the best in all of Google Earth.

As you may know Google does not publish rollout schedules for any of its data updates, so unfortunately I can't speculate on the schedule of 3D imagery cities.

It's still unclear whether the 3D imagery will have the ability to be toggled off in certain regions, but there are currently no plans to have an additional 3D Buildings layer in areas that have 3D imagery data. There will still be many regions that will continue to display the 3D Buildings layer for some time though. I'll be able to answer questions like this in more detail as the release dates get closer.

     - CraigD



Re: The Next Dimension of Google Maps - Official Post peterg/gipuzkoa3d 6/6/12 2:46 PM
Hello Craig

Una pregunta directa sobre lo que a mi me puede afectar...

En mi ciudad San Sebastián, dispongo de mas de  200 modelos (buenos
modelos)  fabricados a mano.
Actualmente en google maps, existe la posibilidad de ver imágenes de
la ciudad a 45º, desde la actualización de 2 de febrero 2012.
¿ significa esto que próximamente mis modelos volaran de la capa de
Google Earth de escritorio ?
¿ esto significa que también volaran de mis aplicaciones hechas con el
plugin GE ?

Otro ejemplo sería la ciudad ganadora del ultimo concurso MYT 2012,
Getaria.
¿También serán retirados en el tiempo cuando se dispongan imágenes a
45º ?
Si esto es así puede significar mucho....en el caso de Getaria.......
En este momento bing maps ya las ofrece a 45º y posiblemente vosotros
también dispongáis de ellas, puesto que son imágenes publicas de libre
uso..


saludos
Peteg


On 6 jun, 23:33, CraigD - Google <cra...@google.com> wrote:
> Hello profedetecno, there are many regions that will not be affected for
> quite some time. Your class will still be able to create models for your
> region using SketchUp, but it is currently unclear how they will be
> previewed in areas that have auto generated 3D data.
>
> Only buildings that are in auto generated areas will disappear from Google
> Earth when it is released.
>
> It is unclear what the plans are for Model Your Town competitions at this
> time.
>
> The autogenerated 3D model technology has nothing to do with SketchUp's
> sale to Trimble.
>
> Thank you for your questions.
>
> Cheers,
>
>      - CraigD
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Wednesday, June 6, 2012 3:07:49 PM UTC-6, profedetecno wrote:
>
> > Que me lo expliquen por favor.
>
> > Van a desaparecer nuestros edificios de google earth?
> > Van a dejar de aceptar edificios en google earth?
> > Soy profesor en un instituto y mis alumnos estan entusiamados con crear
> > modelos, incluso han participado en el MYT 2012, y quieren seguir creando
> > edificios. ¿Que les digo? parad chicos que ya no los van  aceptar.
>
> > Me gustaria que me lo aclarasen.
> > Gracias.
>
> > El miércoles, 6 de junio de 2012 20:06:05 UTC+2, CraigD - Google escribió:
>
> >> *Today, we provided a preview<http://googleblog.blogspot.com/2012/06/never-ending-quest-for-perfect...>of some changes that are coming to the 3D landscape in Google Earth,
> >> models in Google Maps<http://google-latlong.blogspot.com/2012/03/introducing-more-detailed-...>
> >> .
>
> >> What about Building Maker models?
> >> Building Maker is a useful tool irregardless of the eligibility for those
> >> models to appear in the 3D Building layer in Google Earth. It's a great way
> >> to start a dimensionally accurate, aerially textured model for SketchUp,
> >> and useful for creating context models for SketchUp scenes. Building Maker
> >> will continue to be available for these purposes.
>
> >> What about SketchUp models?
> >> In the regions where the new 3D imagery is available, we will no longer
> >> publish the 3D Buildings layer in Google Earth for mobile. However, we
> >> anticipate that there will be many parts of the globe that will take some
> >> time to expand to with this new type of 3D imagery, or never be able to
> >> reach at all. In those regions, user contributed models will still be
> >> important for providing a complete picture of the 3D landscape. User
> >> contributed 3D buildings may also continue to help inform the 3D
> >> buildings on Maps<http://google-latlong.blogspot.com/2012/03/introducing-more-detailed-...>
> >> .
> >> instance of Google Earth via the plugin using the Google Earth API<https://developers.google.com/earth/>,
> >> which enables you to publish 3D content on the web to share with clients or
> >> the general public.
>
> >> Our goal remains to create an accurate, consistent and comprehensive 3D
> >> representation of the Earth. With 3D imagery in its infancy, we can’t truly
> >> see what the future holds; but the one constant in this fast-paced,
> >> high-tech world is change, and further improvements are ahead. *
>
> On Wednesday, June 6, 2012 3:07:49 PM UTC-6, profedetecno wrote:
>
> > Que me lo expliquen por favor.
>
> > Van a desaparecer nuestros edificios de google earth?
> > Van a dejar de aceptar edificios en google earth?
> > Soy profesor en un instituto y mis alumnos estan entusiamados con crear
> > modelos, incluso han participado en el MYT 2012, y quieren seguir creando
> > edificios. ¿Que les digo? parad chicos que ya no los van  aceptar.
>
> > Me gustaria que me lo aclarasen.
> > Gracias.
>
> > El miércoles, 6 de junio de 2012 20:06:05 UTC+2, CraigD - Google escribió:
>
> >> *Today, we provided a preview<http://googleblog.blogspot.com/2012/06/never-ending-quest-for-perfect...>of some changes that are coming to the 3D landscape in Google Earth,
> >> models in Google Maps<http://google-latlong.blogspot.com/2012/03/introducing-more-detailed-...>
> >> .
>
> >> What about Building Maker models?
> >> Building Maker is a useful tool irregardless of the eligibility for those
> >> models to appear in the 3D Building layer in Google Earth. It's a great way
> >> to
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Re: The Next Dimension of Google Maps - Official Post Google Craig 6/6/12 3:18 PM
Hi PeterG, I'm not entirely sure what your question is, but we're not publishing the names of cities that will have 3D imagery data at this time. I would assume that larger cities will be published before smaller cities, but this may vary.

Since we have our own airplanes to collect the 3D imagery data, we are not relying on public/free/licensed data from other sources at this time, regardless of whether they have it already.

Thanks,
 
     - CraigD


Re: The Next Dimension of Google Maps - Official Post Sebastian S. 6/6/12 3:33 PM
Does that mean that all my work (and that of others too of course) is for nothing?? I'm modeling since I'm 16, that would be 3 years for nothing?!
 
Most of my models are Skyscrapers (Skyscraper=big city=new imagery), does that mean they all are gonna be replaced with this new technology? Maybe you don't see it always but I really work hard on (nearly) every model, and so do many other. There must be a way that everybody is satisfied...
 
Why can't it be for mobile use only?
 
Regards
 
Sebastian S.
 
 
 
Am Mittwoch, 6. Juni 2012 20:06:05 UTC+2 schrieb CraigD - Google:
Am Mittwoch, 6. Juni 2012 20:06:05 UTC+2 schrieb CraigD - Google:
Re: The Next Dimension of Google Maps - Official Post Beryl Reid 6/6/12 3:41 PM
Thanks for the announcement Craig. I'm glad I was around for the "early years" of 3D Google Earth and Maps. It was a lot of fun to be a part of it, and feel like a contributor to such an awesome experience. You know really well and personally how many hours goes into good geo modeling. I am not going to look upon those hours as wasted time, but I do see how this changes everything. We would be foolish to expect a digital earth to remain the same over time. It's what happens in a digital world... change and evolution.

It does feel unsettling and uncertain. I'm looking forward to the next 3D world in Earth and Maps. I also plan to continue my own 3D modeling because it gives me so much personal pleasure I can't imagine just stopping.

regards
Beryl Reid


On Wednesday, June 6, 2012 2:06:05 PM UTC-4, CraigD - Google wrote:
Today, we provided a preview of some changes that are coming to the 3D landscape in Google Earth, starting on mobile devices. Later this summer, we’ll unveil a new way of displaying 3D buildings on Google Earth for mobile, achieved by building complete cityscapes from the 45-degree aerial imagery used in Google Maps and Building Maker.


Re: The Next Dimension of Google Maps - Official Post Google Craig 6/6/12 3:45 PM
Hi Sebastian, your models are all very good and I completely understand how this news affects you. I can only imagine your disappointment. The 3D imagery has made big advancements that allow city-wide regions to be created and updated comprehensively and accurately. The real downside is that people's work like yours, mine and many others will no longer fit in the landscape. There will be many areas that will still require hand made models for some time to come, but most of those will indeed be outside of large populated areas.

I really wish I had a better answer for you, but we had to make some difficult decisions for future development, and this was one of them.

That being said, this change is not immediate so there is still time to display your models.

    - CraigD
Re: The Next Dimension of Google Maps - Official Post Google Craig 6/6/12 4:05 PM
Thank you Beryl, I always appreciate your positive outlook!  We didn't come to these changes easily...there were a lot of "what if" meetings and for those like yourself who take a lot of joy in the art of modeling, it was even more difficult to make such a drastic change to the way we display Google Earth in 3D.  In the end it was nearly impossible to merge the two technologies and we focused on what is really the beginning of a new era of 3D.  Being able to create 3D cityscapes - complete with buildings, terrain and even landscaping - from 45-degree aerial imagery means that models do not get mis-aligned, or have incomplete textures, or inaccurate heights, but it comes at the cost of some very nice models.  I plan on continuing to model with Sketchup too. :)

Cheers,

     - Craig
Re: The Next Dimension of Google Maps - Official Post fguerra 6/6/12 4:17 PM
Craig:

Modeling for Google Earth via Sketchup has been a great hobby for me for the last 2 years or so, and I´m not going to stop. As soon as this weekend I have plans to travel to a nearby town to collect all data possible so i can start modeling some buildings.

I can´t deny that Sketchup selling announcement and this Google Maps news have been a shock, but we can´t stop technology and this step was just long awaited for many people. As for Google Earth I would like to give you a couple of recommendations:
1.- Even if we get to the time to have all the world mapped with your new plane technology, It would be nice to keep the man made building models in a separate layer. That way we can keep modeling feeling it is worth doing it.
2.- Be able to download certain area terrain data to Sketchup so we can use it for real life projects, making use of the accuracy you are offering now.
3.- Trees and landscape layer. What is the world but a great landscape project. You know you can do better on this one.

I really hope this changes are for the better.
Federico Guerra
Monterrey, Mexico.
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Re: The Next Dimension of Google Maps - Official Post 2k10 6/6/12 4:22 PM
Hello every 3d Modeler,

This is something that as a user I have been expecting since years ago, and as a 3d Modeler has been worrying me the same amount of time, since I began to use Sketchup in 2007. Obviously, Google can't wait for us to model every building in every city and town around the world. Can't, and shouldn't. I understand that.

Selling the software that we have been using for years to model buildings manually in Google Earth was a signal for me. Making the option to download/delete all our 3d models available from the 3D Warehouse a few days ago is another.

On the other hand, Google is rolling out its own 3d auto-generated models in mobile because the world is becoming mobile day by day. Like it or not, it's a fact. But of course, I think it's also a fact that it only takes a bit more of effort to make the 3d Google Auto-generated models available in Google Maps & Earth desktop versions. Google hasn't said that they are replacing all the 3d models of the actual 3d layer in all versions and platforms of Google Maps & Earth soon. But it hasn't said anything to the contrary. In business talk that means to me that they will, of course, replace them. Who could blame them?

In my humble opinion, and I wish I was totally wrong with this, there is no place for 3d modelers in the Next Dimension of Google Maps & Earth. :(

Anyway, thank you Google for all the happy modeling during this years. :) 
Re: The Next Dimension of Google Maps - Official Post Asdas 6/6/12 4:25 PM
Hi,

I was wondering if this going to include the Middle East countries? Will all the models in this area be removed too?
And if we upload new models now, will they stay for a long time or what?
Re: The Next Dimension of Google Maps - Official Post Paul van Dinther 6/6/12 4:37 PM

On Thursday, June 7, 2012 9:30:47 AM UTC+12, pmolsen wrote:
I feel sorry for you in particular Paul. You obviously have a lot more time and energy invested in the current Earth and Maps than many. 


Don't be sorry Peter, I don't expect Google to throw out their API. The platform changes, probably some API changes but this development actually increases the potential user base. Despite being assured the Google Earth will be around for a while, I remain sceptical. Google has a 3 year depreciation policy that over the years will reduce to one year so I know that Google Earth in its current form will be around for at least 3 years. But that is not enough for some of the large projects I am working on.

So, I am keen to embrace the new tech ASAP and run with it while benefiting from the increased attention maps are getting. But I am running ahead of myself, I have no knowledge or even subtle hints from Google that they have a Web-Gl version of Google Earth in the works. It just makes sense that they do.

In fact their HD video http://youtu.be/N6Douyfa7l8 seems to have been recorded using a Space Navigator which suggests the video is made on a special version of Google Earth. It is frustrating that we get so little heads up from Google as it makes running a business around Google Technology very difficult.

I am sorry for all the modellers out there that their work will gradually vanish but maps must represent the real world and not the artists interpretation of it. I trust the auto generated data a lot more and prefer it, despite the lesser geometric detail.

So.... Bring it on Google!! :-)
Re: The Next Dimension of Google Maps - Official Post pmolsen 6/6/12 4:42 PM
Hi Craig,

From a technical perspective, I know that the Streetview cars are equipped with Lidar scanners as well as cameras. Will Google be using that data, both the point cloud as well as the streetview imagery, combined with the 45-degree photography, to construct the automated models? It would obviously give a much more accurate representation.
Re: The Next Dimension of Google Maps - Official Post Google Craig 6/6/12 4:51 PM
Hi Peter, we're not using Streetview data for the 3D imagery models, it's all data from the air.

Cheers,

    - Craig


On Wednesday, June 6, 2012 5:42:49 PM UTC-6, pmolsen wrote:
Hi Craig,

From a technical perspective, I know that the Streetview cars are equipped with Lidar scanners as well as cameras. Will Google be using that data, both the point cloud as well as the streetview imagery, combined with the 45-degree photography, to construct the automated models? It would obviously give a much more accurate representation.
Re: The Next Dimension of Google Maps - Official Post Jason Mill 6/6/12 5:07 PM
I'm very disappointed for our clients who have paid to have beautiful handcrafted models at the humanistic street level and will see them replaced by crude aerial based auto gen models .. and now have no control of when/if/how their business will appear. I'm pleased our contracts stated could not gaurantee Google would not drop user generated 3D models in the future.

We've been in this game since 2004 and had only just solidified a good business model around our model assets and their use in GE .. luckily for us we had a feeling this move was coming and so have worked on delivering our model set via other mediums, including gaming engines and AR apps.

We also would like to see the functionality of the API and GE desktop maintained so that kml/kmz based data/models can be viewed in this way. Photo-realistic models are only the beginning of what can be visualised in GE.

Looking at the bigger picture this is a great move for tech in general although I expect a very similar eye candy based model from Apple next week .. Google had the market cornered on interactive user driven 3D models and its a shame they feel the need to dump it.

Had a ball while it lasted .. cheers to all the crew here in the 3DGEO community, I've enjoyed sharing with you all.

best
Jason

Re: The Next Dimension of Google Maps - Official Post pmolsen 6/6/12 5:37 PM
A couple more questions:

- What happens to all the models in the 3D Buildings Layer that are not buildings? For example there are numerous aeroplanes, ships, cable cars etc. that obviously will not be modelled by the aerial photography. Will they be retained or will they all vanish?

- What about KMZ files and in particular animations? Will they still be supported in GE? Are there any plans to provide support for them in Maps?
Re: The Next Dimension of Google Maps - Official Post Auquicu 6/6/12 7:12 PM
Will data collected with the planes used to change the terrain in Google Earth those areas that are currently not so accurate? 
Re: The Next Dimension of Google Maps - Official Post Denoall 6/6/12 8:42 PM
Pedro es obvio no usaron ahora remplazaran nuestros modelos probablemente no nos afecte a todos en este momento pero mas temprano que tarde nos afectara ellos hablan de que no podran usar esta tecnologia en todas las areas pero como si no te remplazaran los modelos futuros tambien la verdad estoy en desacuerdo totalmente con esto

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Re: The Next Dimension of Google Maps - Official Post Denoall 6/6/12 8:49 PM
This is a treason to the 3d community after all the hard work we have put in Google earth this is really unfair. I really do not feel like keep modelling after reading your post
Re: The Next Dimension of Google Maps - Official Post Oliver Davis 6/6/12 9:21 PM
Thanks for forwarding links to Brian's announcement Craig (and the Q and A). A Steve Jobs said at his 2005 Stanford Commencement Speech,  "Don’t be trapped by dogma — which is living with the results of other people’s thinking."  You have to think for yourself, move on, adapt and make it your own.

While this group's 3D is fully navigable and not oblique 45-degree renderings, the GE models today are heavyweight and the navigation is tricky for most users. This news really should come as no surprise - especially as it relates to mobile. That said, while we expect change we have damage control to deal with in the real, client facing world.

Craig, please don't take offense to these pointed questions, we just would like some insights:

-Will the GE plug-in/API continue to be supported for non-mobile environments?  If it is deprecated, will this group be notified of Google's plans to remove custom models from the API entirely?  What's Google's interpretation of its deprecation and notification requirements for the API and model support? Under Section 4 of the Warehouse TOS it appears that the submitted content and features may be removed without notice. While the Maps API TOS is a bit different. 

4. Provision of the Services by Google (Warehouse)

4.3 As part of this continuing innovation, you acknowledge and agree that Google may stop (permanently or temporarily) providing the Services (or any features within the Services) to you or to users generally at Google’s sole discretion, without prior notice to you.  

Maps API TOS https://developers.google.com/maps/terms

4.4 Changes to the Service; Deprecation Policy.

Google will announce if we intend to discontinue or make backwards incompatible changes to this API or Service. We will use commercially reasonable efforts to continue to operate the Service or the applicable APIs without these changes until the later of: (i) one year after the announcement or (ii) April 20, 2015, unless (as Google determines in its reasonable good faith judgment):

-Can you explain what 'informed' for 3D maps mean? 

-Will there be a way to develop or submit 'better models' or obliques than the LIDAR generated models in the presentation? What's the process? Is UGC dead except for photos?

-Will users be able to update these new 3D models with on-site imagery?  Could one download and replace textures or update geometry if models are replaced? UGC is being used to updated and model terrain more accurately.  Would 3D go down a similar path?

-When/where have UG models been used in mobile? Are you just referring to Nexus One?  

-You mentioned hosting models on your own GE environment. The performance is poor (slow) since the content isn't compressed and hosted by Google. Can Google share the compression algorithm for our own version and use of the GE-API? Make server/hosting recommendations? Wouldn't this group be required to establish an enterprise account (if they were to pass through hosting costs)? 

-What is Google doing with the SketchUp/GE models that this group has submitted? What happens if they are removed from the warehouse? Marked Private? Did Google sublicense/assign our models and client information/data to Trimble? Also from Warehouse TOS...

11. Content license from you

11.1 (b) By submitting, posting or displaying the content you give Google a perpetual, sublicensable, irrevocable, worldwide, royalty-free, and non-exclusive license to reproduce, adapt, modify, translate, publish, publicly perform, publicly display and distribute any Content or derivative works thereof which you submit, post or display on or through, the Services.

11.2 You agree that this license includes a right for Google to make such Content available to other companies, organizations or individuals with whom Google has relationships for the provision of syndicated services, and to use such Content in connection with the provision of those services.


If you want to survive, you need to embrace the change. If you want to continue adding value over Google products you should consider this an opportunity. Add custom Streetview to your services, sign up as a trusted photographer, repurpose your SketchUp files as map overlays, build interior maps, make everything you do mobile friendly, build a relationship with the new SketchUp guys and design and develop your own products.

We look forward to continued dialogue.
Re: The Next Dimension of Google Maps - Official Post Francis Lalonde 6/6/12 10:24 PM
Well, I've only been involved with the 3D community a little over a year.  I'm a little sad that modeling on the 'personal' level is being phased out (though slowly, and with a town population of about 32,000, it'll probably be a couple of years before we - Bay City, MI - get coverage).  Still, I've enjoyed learning how to use SketchUp, which I'm hoping can eventually assist me in learning other modeling programs, such as Blender - with a view towards creating animation/videos.

I do have a few questions:
1 - is SketchUp version 8 going to be the last version?
2 - will SketchUp continue to be freely available (well, I currently don't have need for the 'pro' version - LOL ) ?

Otherwise, I'm just glad to have been able to tag along for the ride.

Re: The Next Dimension of Google Maps - Official Post stada 6/6/12 10:48 PM
This move of Google is completely understandable to me. It doesn't surprise me that Google was looking for a quicker way to show the world's buildings 3D.  The hours, no years, I have spent in modelling I'll use for modelling augmented reality apps, 3D prints, etc. 
A question: am I still allowed that to use the Google Qualified 3D Geo Modeler logo? 

Regards,
Dick Stada

 
Re: The Next Dimension of Google Maps - Official Post pmolsen 6/6/12 11:25 PM
Hi Craig,

Are you able to say whether the automated data will cover the entire metropolitan area of cities please, or will it mainly just cover the central business district?

Wherever it ends, what happens with models that are outside that area? Do they remain? Will be be able to add new models, or will there be a halt to any more 3D Building layer additions?

Totally off topic, but if Google wants to make money from its products, why has it not yet made Google Earth the real estate sales centre of the world, by allowing real estate agents to create street-view type presentations of the inside of houses. Potential buyers could then walk seamlessly from outside the house to inside it? Seems a no-brainer to me.

Re: The Next Dimension of Google Maps - Official Post Robert Wüest 6/7/12 2:02 AM
This pushes the 3D modelling community into a niche. I suppose opensource technologies are the future for 3D modelling enthusiats.

Take a look at www.openwebglobe.org there will be a lot of interesting features coming up concerning 3D models.

Cheers

Am Mittwoch, 6. Juni 2012 20:06:05 UTC+2 schrieb CraigD - Google:
Today, we provided a preview of some changes that are coming to the 3D landscape in Google Earth, starting on mobile devices. Later this summer, we’ll unveil a new way of displaying 3D buildings on Google Earth for mobile, achieved by building complete cityscapes from the 45-degree aerial imagery used in Google Maps and Building Maker.

One of the biggest challenges in showing 3D buildings in Google Earth has been gathering complete 3D coverage to represent the real world seamlessly and consistently. For example, many areas in Google Earth have specific buildings and landmarks in 3D where they are available, but the surrounding area is flattened out and only available in two dimensions.

New imagery rendering and computer vision techniques now allow us to create an accurate and comprehensive 3D representation of entire metropolitan areas. But we recognize this impacts our amazing geo modeling community. In the select areas where it will launch, the 3D Buildings layer on mobile and tablet devices will display only the new automatically generated 3D imagery. Manually modeled 3D buildings from both our users and own team will continue to appear everywhere else, as well as on desktop versions of Google Earth for now. As we expand our ability to provide comprehensive 3D buildings and terrain for entire cities and regions, we know this raises questions for anyone who has modeled for Google Earth.

What is going to happen to the buildings in Google Earth that I’ve modeled?
When we release the new 3D imagery in select regions later this summer, any models you’ve previously created in the areas covered by the new 3D imagery will no longer appear in Google Earth for mobile. Your models will remain available in the 3D Warehouse and continue to inform the 3D models in Google Maps.

What about Building Maker models?
Building Maker is a useful tool irregardless of the eligibility for those models to appear in the 3D Building layer in Google Earth. It's a great way to start a dimensionally accurate, aerially textured model for SketchUp, and useful for creating context models for SketchUp scenes. Building Maker will continue to be available for these purposes.

What about SketchUp models?
In the regions where the new 3D imagery is available, we will no longer publish the 3D Buildings layer in Google Earth for mobile. However, we anticipate that there will be many parts of the globe that will take some time to expand to with this new type of 3D imagery, or never be able to reach at all. In those regions, user contributed models will still be important for providing a complete picture of the 3D landscape. User contributed 3D buildings may also continue to help inform the 3D buildings on Maps.

Why is my model being replaced by something with less geometric detail?
In some cases, the close-up work done by individual modelers may be more detailed than the current model created by the new 3D imagery techniques. Those detailed and beautifully textured models will of course continue to be available in the 3D Warehouse, and we appreciate you letting us share your model in Google Earth to date to provide a representation of the world in three dimensions.

However, using aerial imagery to create 3D models enables us to keep these 3D versions of the world more accurate and up-to-date than is possible with manually created models. In addition, the new 3D buildings and terrain are all generated from the same high resolution aerial imagery, enabling precise alignment of the new models and a seamless 3D experience across an entire area. In an effort to create an accurate, consistent, and more complete 3D representation of the Earth, we are replacing all existing models with the new 3D imagery and will continue working to improve them over time.

WiIl I still be able to submit buildings to Google Earth?
We are thrilled by the commitment shown by users contributing 3D buildings to Google Earth, and hope to continue working with these modelers from all over the world to accurately and realistically represent areas where the new 3D models are not able to be created. We encourage you to submit your models for areas where we have not released new 3D imagery.

How will I know if my models are going to be affected?
We are currently exploring ways to inform you about changes to the places where your model appears.

So what does this mean for the future of 3D in Google Earth?
As mentioned above, there are many areas that will remain unaffected by the initial release of new 3D imagery on Google Earth for mobile, and will continue to display user contributed 3D models. For modelers who would still like to publish SketchUp models for clients, you can create your own instance of Google Earth via the plugin using the Google Earth API, which enables you to publish 3D content on the web to share with clients or the general public.

Our goal remains to create an accurate, consistent and comprehensive 3D representation of the Earth. With 3D imagery in its infancy, we can’t truly see what the future holds; but the one constant in this fast-paced, high-tech world is change, and further improvements are ahead.
 
Re: The Next Dimension of Google Maps - Official Post matthiasbasler 6/7/12 2:36 AM
Hi all,

This move was to be expected in some way. Still it comes to a surprise
to me: I had not expected GE to switch now. It seems to come to a
point when (in my impression) all larger cities have achieved a rather
continuous coverage with 3D models, largely based on the use of
BuildingMaker. Had this technology been announced before BuildingMaker
launched the argument of providing a "more complete coverage" had
sounded much more reasonable. Seeing the tech demo, the "consistency"
aspect seems much more important to me.

What I am sad about is that seemingly for now the community is left
out of this new technology. Of course, this means savings for Google
since they don't have to review individual models in these areas any
more, but the downside is that customers have to live with what they
get without a chance to improve on it ... and it might be a downgrade
for some of them.

Two years ago I stated that I would wish that just this technology of
creating 3D cities from imagery would be available to the community so
we could fill the *real* gaps (meaning: the smaller cities and towns)
based on public oblique imagery or images taken during own photo
flights. Now Google first replaces metropolitan areas which often
already have a large coverage. Hm...

Anyway, I had hoped to see this technology change arrive in a
different flavour, so to speak. We'll see if Google some day comes up
with plans to involve the community into this new technology again.

Matthias Basler
Re: The Next Dimension of Google Maps - Official Post Guy Foessel 6/7/12 3:32 AM
Si les règles de Google Earth étaient encore respectées, par exemple que le meilleur édifice doit remplacer un de qualité inférieur, la plupart des édifices réalisés par nous les "modeleurs" devrais rester en priorité, car avec le nouveau système a 45 degrés, il reste impossible de donner autant de détails que nous somme habitués a réaliser, ( fenetres, balcons, porche, plafond, effacer les objets , les voitures, les personnes, les ombres sur les textures, etc...).
Je sais que cela est peu probable, mais c´est triste de voir une fois de plus que lorsque quel qu´un n'est plus nécessaire, Il est remercié,e. ( si on étais payés, cela s´appellerai " licencié " :>(((
¿ Est ce un adieu ?????

Le jeudi 7 juin 2012 11:36:59 UTC+2, matthiasbasler a écrit :
The Next Dimension of Google Maps - Official Post alexschreyer 6/7/12 6:27 AM
Thanks, Craig, for the updates.

Living in a small college town, I am pretty sure I can assume that our models won't be replaced anytime soon. Maybe this is some good news for the geo-modeler community: if you concentrate on less-populated areas, then the chances that Google will replace your models with auto generated data is very slim. It is likely too cost prohibitive for them to fly over those areas. Having said that, it might be useful for Google to announce a population cutoff below which you guys will not cover cities - that would give modeled some certainty.

Another idea is to have a "geo-modeler" layer next to the new 3d buildings layer in GE. This could then feature user-generated content and could be turned on by the user, if desired. You could even implement it in a way where - when turned on - the new building mesh is not displayed where user-generated models exist. That should be easy to implement using bounding-box cropping.

Cheers,
Alex

Re: The Next Dimension of Google Maps - Official Post Zoungy Kligge 6/7/12 7:53 AM
I like Alex's idea of parallel layers-- mesh and non-mesh. Each has its advantages!

Re: The Next Dimension of Google Maps - Official Post peterg/gipuzkoa3d 6/7/12 8:06 AM
Hola

Si bien me ha parecido entender la versión de escritorio de GE, tendrá
una nueva capa para activar el 3d photografico..y mantener si deseas
la actual capa de modelos manuales..

espero estar en lo cierto...  ¿ podrías confirmar este dato Craig ?

http://www.gearthblog.com/blog/archives/2012/06/google_announces_upcoming_3d.html

" While the new auto-generated buildings will effectively supplant the
current 3D buildings for Google Earth for mobile for some major
cities, the old 3D data will not necessarily be taken away on the
desktop version of Google Earth.  "


best ¡¡

Peterg

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Re: The Next Dimension of Google Maps - Official Post SnowTiger 6/7/12 10:06 AM

Well this all sounds great for Mobile Devices etc, it is a bit of a disappointment for me.
Although, I'm guessing Canada will have to wait another 10 years to experience any of it because we're always sucking the hind teet when it comes to this stuff (it seems).

Overall it is disappointing to learn that there will be a day (sooner rather than later by the sound of it) when our 3D Geo-Models will no longer be needed or used for anything.
While clients will still be able to use Google API on their own websites if they so desire, that won't help tourists (for example) trying to find any particular business if they don't already have knowledge of it. In other words, they'll never see that Business Website Google API unless they know to look for it.

So I'm curious if these auto-generated 3D worlds will still include Building/Business Specific Information if/when people click on those auto-generated models ?
If so, how often will that information/data be updated (EG: in the event a business moves) ?

Obviously, this is all new (to us) and it will take a while to completely understand all the implications, but I for one am more than just a little sad about the whole ordeal.
I realize that may well be unfounded and based solely on my ignorance of scope of this whole announcement .... but that is certainly how I currently feel about it.

I'm going to have to completely rethink what I am doing and trying to do etc (from a business perspective) and decide if it's worth continuing at all. Is it even worth my while, my time and my client's money to even bother with a hand-made 3D Geo-Model ?

I'm almost sorry I upgraded my SU Pro this week.
Good thing it has many more uses than just Geo-Modeling ... but now I have to figure out which of those uses are of any use to me.

Any more bad news ?
Re: The Next Dimension of Google Maps - Official Post Google Craig 6/7/12 10:19 AM
Hi Jason, I can appreciate your disappointment as this new impacts part of your business. Regarding the API; yes the functionality of the API is planned to continue as is, so you'll be able to create and host 3D buildings this way.

     - CraigD
Re: The Next Dimension of Google Maps - Official Post Google Craig 6/7/12 10:25 AM
Hi Peterg, the blog you quoted has stated that information is speculation. I will include for you the official Google press release FAQ on this subject:

Why is this only available on mobile? Will auto-generated buildings be available on Earth for desktop in the future?
Increasingly, users want to access information - be it text or geographical - while on the go. We’re excited to soon offer these 3D cities and tours on Google Earth for mobiles and tablets. We’re working to provide a consistent user experience across both mobile and desktop, and hope to announce a desktop version as soon as possible.
 

     - Craig

Re: The Next Dimension of Google Maps - Official Post Oliver Davis 6/7/12 10:28 AM
If someone else hosted a 3D model 'layer' via the API, along with a repository, would you be willing to pay a monthly fee for hosting your content? If so, what would you be willing to pay? $10/month? $25/month? By the amount of content/storage? Could you charge your customers a maintenance fee for storing and handling the content?

-Oliver



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Re: The Next Dimension of Google Maps - Official Post Kevin DeVito 6/7/12 10:49 AM
Darian,

I agree. I have a lot of questions regarding Google's focus on GIS now. Will Earth Builder still be supported? I like the concept of the GWH. I wish Google had added more features on a regular basis. I guess the API will always be there for the modelers which can be a benefit. There are a lot of unknowns now.

Kevin
Re: The Next Dimension of Google Maps - Official Post Kevin DeVito 6/7/12 10:51 AM
Good question Mr. Oliver.
Re: The Next Dimension of Google Maps - Official Post Google Craig 6/7/12 1:49 PM
Hi Jorge, yes the 3D imagery data collects buildings, bodies of water, terrain, trees, landscaping, cars/trucks/trains. Basically everything that exists in the imagery at the time of data collection. It will have much more accurate terrain in the regions that use the 3D imagery data.

    - Craig


On Wednesday, June 6, 2012 8:12:09 PM UTC-6, Auquicu wrote:
Will data collected with the planes used to change the terrain in Google Earth those areas that are currently not so accurate? 
Re: The Next Dimension of Google Maps - Official Post 2k10 6/7/12 2:20 PM
Hi Craig, I have another question for you! :)
There are a lot of cities right now that have 45º imagery. Were these photos taken using the new technology? I mean, will these cities have generated 3d models or are we talking about a 2nd generation 3d airplanes?

Thank you!
Re: The Next Dimension of Google Maps - Official Post Google Craig 6/7/12 2:39 PM
Hi 2k10, I can't go into too much detail on that, but in some cases the data is applicable to both 45º imagery and 3D imagery.

Cheers,

     - Craig
Re: The Next Dimension of Google Maps - Official Post Google Craig 6/7/12 2:45 PM
Denoall, I can understand your reaction. This wasn't an easy decision for us to make and in no way represents the respect we have for you all. We are modelers as well, and share your feelings. However, for Google Earth to continue to be at the forefront of 3D technology, we have to evolve and use the latest technology possible. I realize this comes as a complete shock to some, and I can completely understand your reaction. 

I hope that you do continue to enjoy modeling in SketchUp, even if we're unable to display your work in 3D imagery cities.

      - Craig


On Wednesday, June 6, 2012 9:49:56 PM UTC-6, Denoall wrote:
This is a treason to the 3d community after all the hard work we have put in Google earth this is really unfair. I really do not feel like keep modelling after reading your post
Re: The Next Dimension of Google Maps - Official Post Google Craig 6/7/12 2:50 PM
Hello Francis, as you may know, SketchUp has been sold to Trimble and is no longer in the control of Google, so I can't answer these questions.  That being said, Trimble has shown genuine enthusiasm for the future of SketchUp.

Cheers,

    - CraigD  
Re: The Next Dimension of Google Maps - Official Post Zeljko Zdravkovic 6/7/12 3:05 PM
Hello!

Computer made models will never have the same quality like handmade models, and thats the fact. This was expected, spec. after Sketchup transfer to Trimble. 
This is just how market works today in the business world. I understand everyone, I share the same opinion like you guys.

Greetings from 3D Belgrade, Serbia ! 
I hope that we will have one more conference this year ;)

Love you all !

Zex
Re: The Next Dimension of Google Maps - Official Post Sebastian S. 6/7/12 3:47 PM

But I don't understand why it has to be one of those two 'versions', why can't both versions not be compined?


The post of Auquicu seems to be a solution everybody can live with...

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/3dwh/RtxD5JGbc1o


It was possible with grey buildings so why isn't that possible with those two different typs of layers? I understand that this is not a solution for the mobile service but to be honest (even if it sounds harsh) those people (or let me say the most of them) who use this service don't know what is behind this project so I guess they don't care if there's only one version accessible on their smart phone, etc.


I really hope that the Google Guides (who I think, are the last ones who want this like that) can bring this possible solution to those who make the decisions.


I will not renounce all hope yet! :)
 

Am Donnerstag, 7. Juni 2012 23:45:51 UTC+2 schrieb CraigD - Google:
Re: The Next Dimension of Google Maps - Official Post Paul van Dinther 6/7/12 4:11 PM
I think you are missing the point of why Google has maps. It is not there to keep us entertained while creating models. It had it's purpose but it is no longer needed. Google has already stated that old content is only replaced where new content is introduced. They can't say where new content will appear because this is probably one of the areas Google will need to compete with Apple.

Google maps is about an accurate representation of the real world. That means that auto generated content will closer represent the real world then artists interpretation of the real world. I think very few people will have any interest in looking at the old content once the new stuff is in place. You need to realize this new technology doesn't just show buildings, it shows all elevation data in exquisite detail. Retaining walls, viaducts, bridges and on-ramps. I can not think of a reason why I would want to go back to the old low resolution elevation data with buildings floating above it or extruded into it. It was an approximation of the real world at best and it has now been replaced with better technology.

I suspect Google is holding out on us about how good this technology is. The presentation showed 3D models on par with what C3 has had for over a year. I can not help but wonder what super feature has not been talked about. We will probably hear about it after Apples announcements. This is all speculation of course. But with Google putting emphasis on business locations and advertising in maps, you would need detailed streetlevel information that is seamless. Although denied in this thread by Graig, I still suspect streetview images will play a role with the photogrametry generated content.

Getting the earth modeled to this point has taken many years. And although buildings tend to stick around for many years, 3D building data does age and does need to be regenerated. I trust annual 3D snapshots of a city much more then user generated content produced haphazardly over many years.
Re: The Next Dimension of Google Maps - Official Post Sebastian S. 6/7/12 4:32 PM
 'old low resolution elevation data with buildings floating above it/user generated content produced haphazardly' ??? Do you really know what you're talking about?? I hardly doubt that those auto generated models will be better than the Saint Basil's Cathedral of Arrigo Silva or one of the many stadiums of Athinaios or the Brooklyn Bridge of Gllerimo (and many other models if you still not convinced about the amazing work of some modellers)!
 
Maybe you should first think about the work that goes into such models before you talk that disrespectful about the passion of many people who poured their heart and their time into those models!
 
Thanks!
 
 

Am Freitag, 8. Juni 2012 01:11:15 UTC+2 schrieb Paul van Dinther:
Re: The Next Dimension of Google Maps - Official Post Oliver Davis 6/7/12 5:18 PM
It appears that you have deep insight into the new technology ('You need to realize this new technology doesn't just show buildings, it shows all elevation data in exquisite detail. Retaining walls, viaducts, bridges and on-ramps') that no one else has so please share more Paul.

Many people on this distribution are not 'artists' but draftspeople and production oriented with real clients who want to keep using their models for purposes other than promoting a business in 3D on a map. We also work with artists who happen to be some of the best modelers. Plus, artists are cool

The reality for this group is the following:

1- If you like modeling, keep using SketchUp. Sell your modeling services to those with a clear need (construction, architecture, civil engineering, many others). Embrace Trimble as a partner, they will likely offer professional modelers more support and new features than Google could and the product will only improve.

2- If you want to sell geo services, focus on selling other media that work well in mobile and doesn't require plug-ins.Think Streetview, think rendered/custom maps ( i.e. hbs.edu/maps). Also learn maps or find a friend who can code while you add content.

3 - Don't be over dependent on a single solution and don't assume anything. Always look for ways to do things better and different. Believe it or not, Google and Apple don't always have all of the answers or the best solutions. They want to get better and always look for new ways.

If anyone believes that this news is the end of their business, then they are quitting. SketchUp is here to stay.  There's more to do and a large market to go after. Don't force/BS your value proposition (i.e. Google Earth models will help you market your business because they are 3D - really?). Sell the services that match the customer need and keep modeling. It will work out.


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Re: The Next Dimension of Google Maps - Official Post Paul van Dinther 6/7/12 5:46 PM
Maybe my comments need clarification. First of all, it is my no means my intention to put down the amazing models that have been submitted and published in Google Earth. Yes, there is a lot of detail but at the same time, for what purpose?
Many models are despite the careful efforts still heavy weights and a modest mobile device simply can't render a dense city full of user supplied content. I know how easy it is to over do the geometry on a 3D model. I made many.

But the 3D model is rarely seated properly on uneven terrain due to poor elevation detail.

Secondly, aerial photography is never perfect and on the edges of a photo you can always see the sides of buildings. It is impossible to place a building on that location and not see building imagery show from under the building. Some modelers produce fake surfaces to hide this fact but only add more trouble once the next photo update is applied and the model ground remains old.

I know of many cases where the modeler re-uses textures to keep the model size down and inadvertently mis-represents the real building. The Googleplex is an example where certain sides of the building have the incorrect number of windows.

I referred to modelers as artists because I know how much skill it takes to turn a collection of photographs into color balanced 3D models. I have had the pleasure to experience the work from PeterG ( San sebastian and Getaria ) up close and there is an amazing amount of work going into this process. Peter deserved to win the last modeling competition.

I have no inside knowledge of what Google is up to but I work exclusively with Google's mapping technology for the last few years. It is important for my business to keep tabs on what is going on in this space. My site might me familiar. www.planetinaction.com

Anyone can have a live preview of what the Google technology might look like. There used to be a Nokia beta site that is broken since the Google Announcement last night but here is a site that is a lesser quality web-gl based that still works. Zoom in to any city and marvel at the elevation detail. http://maps3d.svc.nokia.com/webgl/index.html
Re: The Next Dimension of Google Maps - Official Post Zoungy Kligge 6/7/12 6:05 PM
Some thoughts on handmade vs auto in a blog post-- it's a model I've been working on, but should I keep going? I dunno....


Zoungy
Re: The Next Dimension of Google Maps - Official Post Michael Parkin 6/7/12 6:10 PM
Paul...

I work at a large university and we've put some considerable time and energy into these models (along with other schools and campus based organizations).  We use this for emergency management, operations, strategic planning, construction...etc.  A lot of this is because of the detail we've committed to putting into these models...and it's also because we've committed time and energy into maintaining this information.  Our models are based on actual measurements and construction documentation...which is much better than any remotely sensed information. For us, we've been contributing to this environment and have been making it part of how we do business...but that is now that's all going to change because the rug is getting pulled out on us.  It's a shame.  Damn shame.

I guess we're going to have to find another solution...but in reading this thread...I also have a lot of concerns with what is going to happen with user generated content that's already up there.  Our models are marked as private so others can't manipulate them..and so far Craig has dodged questions about existing models.  Any idea what's happening to them?  When our models are replaced with this new fabric..I'm hoping Google isn't going to repurpose them for other initiatives.  That's not what we signed up for.  We also didn't sign up for having them sell them and make profit off of our work.

Man...words can't begin to express my frustration right now..
Re: The Next Dimension of Google Maps - Official Post Michael Parkin 6/7/12 6:21 PM
Craig...I work at a large university and we have put a lot of time and energy into our models.  We use the GE environment a lot for our operations and planning...mostly because the highly detailed (and timely) content.  I know of other schools that have done this because we've found this platform very useful.

Since it seems like you're getting out of the business of using user generated content...what is going to happen to our actual models that we've posted in GE?  Schools have spent time and $$ to contribute to this environment...

Mike
On Wednesday, June 6, 2012 2:06:05 PM UTC-4, CraigD - Google wrote:
Today, we provided a preview of some changes that are coming to the 3D landscape in Google Earth, starting on mobile devices. Later this summer, we’ll unveil a new way of displaying 3D buildings on Google Earth for mobile, achieved by building complete cityscapes from the 45-degree aerial imagery used in Google Maps and Building Maker.

One of the biggest challenges in showing 3D buildings in Google Earth has been gathering complete 3D coverage to represent the real world seamlessly and consistently. For example, many areas in Google Earth have specific buildings and landmarks in 3D where they are available, but the surrounding area is flattened out and only available in two dimensions.

New imagery rendering and computer vision techniques now allow us to create an accurate and comprehensive 3D representation of entire metropolitan areas. But we recognize this impacts our amazing geo modeling community. In the select areas where it will launch, the 3D Buildings layer on mobile and tablet devices will display only the new automatically generated 3D imagery. Manually modeled 3D buildings from both our users and own team will continue to appear everywhere else, as well as on desktop versions of Google Earth for now. As we expand our ability to provide comprehensive 3D buildings and terrain for entire cities and regions, we know this raises questions for anyone who has modeled for Google Earth.

What is going to happen to the buildings in Google Earth that I’ve modeled?
When we release the new 3D imagery in select regions later this summer, any models you’ve previously created in the areas covered by the new 3D imagery will no longer appear in Google Earth for mobile. Your models will remain available in the 3D Warehouse and continue to inform the 3D models in Google Maps.

What about Building Maker models?
Building Maker is a useful tool irregardless of the eligibility for those models to appear in the 3D Building layer in Google Earth. It's a great way to start a dimensionally accurate, aerially textured model for SketchUp, and useful for creating context models for SketchUp scenes. Building Maker will continue to be available for these purposes.

What about SketchUp models?
In the regions where the new 3D imagery is available, we will no longer publish the 3D Buildings layer in Google Earth for mobile. However, we anticipate that there will be many parts of the globe that will take some time to expand to with this new type of 3D imagery, or never be able to reach at all. In those regions, user contributed models will still be important for providing a complete picture of the 3D landscape. User contributed 3D buildings may also continue to help inform the 3D buildings on Maps.

Why is my model being replaced by something with less geometric detail?
In some cases, the close-up work done by individual modelers may be more detailed than the current model created by the new 3D imagery techniques. Those detailed and beautifully textured models will of course continue to be available in the 3D Warehouse, and we appreciate you letting us share your model in Google Earth to date to provide a representation of the world in three dimensions.

However, using aerial imagery to create 3D models enables us to keep these 3D versions of the world more accurate and up-to-date than is possible with manually created models. In addition, the new 3D buildings and terrain are all generated from the same high resolution aerial imagery, enabling precise alignment of the new models and a seamless 3D experience across an entire area. In an effort to create an accurate, consistent, and more complete 3D representation of the Earth, we are replacing all existing models with the new 3D imagery and will continue working to improve them over time.

WiIl I still be able to submit buildings to Google Earth?
We are thrilled by the commitment shown by users contributing 3D buildings to Google Earth
...
Re: The Next Dimension of Google Maps - Official Post Richard Pedicini 6/7/12 6:31 PM
On the integration of hand models to mesh, alignment is not a trivial problem. I attended a geomapping conference in São Paulo last week, and part of the technology for aligning the Brazilian Army's ongoing photomapping of the Amazon is people tramping into the jungle with triangular aluminum radar-reflectors. And this is, mind you, with GPS-equipped aircraft taking the photos. Also, the Gol 1907 midaircollision over the Amazon in 2006 was caused, in part, by the air traffic controller being distracted from civilian aviation to control a plane on a military mapping flight. People have died for alignment, in that case 154 of them.

So just dropping hand-crafted models into the mesh, is not easily done, and that's not just a Google problem. Alignment is a headache for everyone.

There was a video at the conference showing new possibilities. A downtown area with all the buildings - Los Angeles, I think - but also with tunnels, subways, water and gas mains ... all the subterranean infrastructure. Aligning all that with hand-built models?

There were also some breathtaking models done with point-clouds. Not merely the buildings, but the shrubbery, overhead electric wiring, street signs, etc. Who's going to model that? Sure, it took 25 minutes to scan, and 10.5 million points, but technology gets better. There was a time when a 35k image file was a major challenge for a PC.

Regarding the complaints that the mesh doesn't have tags. There's money in tags. A way will be found to attach them.

On the roll-out for mobile, as I recall from the conference, more than half of map consultation is now via mobile devices. (I don't recall the percent, my editors only care about things with wings on). That's where the market is going, and that's why the new technology is going there first. The desktop Google Earth 3D layer may not die, but merely fade away.

Without any desire to disparage the efforts of the Google Guides to soothe modelers during an obviously difficult transition, they ought to be aware that, when attempting to smooth the feathers of Brazilian contributors, saying something is "beautiful" is the traditional idiom here for "nice, but not useful". Embarrassingly correct in this situation, so it might be best to pick a different form of praise for contributors from this part of the world.

This does not come as a particular surprise, except for the timing. And the failure to be modifiable to include hand models, but after last weeks' conference that is less a surprise than it would have been a few weeks ago.

It would be really nice to know when different areas will be covered, but I suppose Google's competitors would love to have that information too, so I don't see how that can be shared here.

I do have one question for the Google Guides: Were the hand models used in any way to test and refine the new technology? Was the atumatic technology ever tested against good hand models to see how well it was succeeding?

Cheers,
Richard


On Wednesday, June 6, 2012 3:06:05 PM UTC-3, CraigD - Google wrote:
Today, we provided a preview of some changes that are coming to the 3D landscape in Google Earth, starting on mobile devices. Later this summer, we’ll unveil a new way of displaying 3D buildings on Google Earth for mobile, achieved by building complete cityscapes from the 45-degree aerial imagery used in Google Maps and Building Maker.

One of the biggest challenges in showing 3D buildings in Google Earth has been gathering complete 3D coverage to represent the real world seamlessly and consistently. For example, many areas in Google Earth have specific buildings and landmarks in 3D where they are available, but the surrounding area is flattened out and only available in two dimensions.

New imagery rendering and computer vision techniques now allow us to create an accurate and comprehensive 3D representation of entire metropolitan areas. But we recognize this impacts our amazing geo modeling community. In the select areas where it will launch, the 3D Buildings layer on mobile and tablet devices will display only the new automatically generated 3D imagery. Manually modeled 3D buildings from both our users and own team will continue to appear everywhere else, as well as on desktop versions of Google Earth for now. As we expand our ability to provide comprehensive 3D buildings and terrain for entire cities and regions, we know this raises questions for anyone who has modeled for Google Earth.

What is going to happen to the buildings in Google Earth that I’ve modeled?
When we release the new 3D imagery in select regions later this summer, any models you’ve previously created in the areas covered by the new 3D imagery will no longer appear in Google Earth for mobile. Your models will remain available in the 3D Warehouse and continue to inform the 3D models in Google Maps.

What about Building Maker models?
Building Maker is a useful tool irregardless of the eligibility for those models to appear in the 3D Building layer in Google Earth. It's a great way to start a dimensionally accurate, aerially textured model for SketchUp, and useful for creating context models for SketchUp scenes. Building Maker will continue to be available for these purposes.

What about SketchUp models?
In the regions where the new 3D imagery is available, we will no longer publish the 3D Buildings layer in Google Earth for mobile. However, we anticipate that there will be many parts of the globe that will take some time to expand to with this new type of 3D imagery, or never be able to reach at all. In those regions, user contributed models will still be important for providing a complete picture of the 3D landscape. User contributed 3D buildings may also continue to help inform the 3D buildings on Maps.

Why is my model being replaced by something with less geometric detail?
In some cases, the close-up work done by individual modelers may be more detailed than the current model created by the new 3D imagery techniques. Those detailed and beautifully textured models will of course continue to be available in the 3D Warehouse, and we appreciate you letting us share your model in Google Earth to date to provide a representation of the world in three dimensions.

However, using aerial imagery to create 3D models enables us to keep these 3D versions of the world more accurate and up-to-date than is possible with manually created models. In addition, the new 3D buildings and terrain are all generated from the same high resolution aerial imagery, enabling precise alignment of the new models and a seamless 3D experience across an entire area. In an effort to create an accurate, consistent, and more complete 3D representation of the Earth, we are replacing all existing models with the new 3D imagery and will continue working to improve them over time.

WiIl I still be able to submit buildings to Google Earth?
We are thrilled by the commitment shown by users contributing 3D buildings to Google Earth, and hope to continue working with these modelers from all over the world to accurately and realistically represent areas where the new 3D models are not able to be created. We encourage you to submit your models for areas where we have not released new 3D imagery.

How will I know if my models are going to be affected?
We are currently exploring ways to inform you about changes to the places where your model appears.

So what does this mean for the future of 3D in Google Earth?
As mentioned above, there are many areas that will remain unaffected by the initial release of new 3D imagery on Google Earth for mobile, and will continue to display user contributed 3D models. For modelers who would still like to publish SketchUp models for clients, you can create your own instance of Google Earth via the plugin using the Google Earth API, which enables you to publish 3D content on the web to share with clients or the general public.

Our goal remains to create an accurate, consistent and comprehensive 3D representation of the Earth. With 3D imagery in its infancy, we can’t truly see what the future holds; but the one constant in this fast-paced, high-tech world is change, and further improvements are ahead.
 

On Wednesday, June 6, 2012 3:06:05 PM UTC-3, CraigD - Google wrote:
Today, we provided a preview of some changes that are coming to the 3D landscape in Google Earth, starting on mobile devices. Later this summer, we’ll unveil a new way of displaying 3D buildings on Google Earth for mobile, achieved by building complete cityscapes from the 45-degree aerial imagery used in Google Maps and Building Maker.

One of the biggest challenges in showing 3D buildings in Google Earth has been gathering complete 3D coverage to represent the real world seamlessly and consistently. For example, many areas in Google Earth have specific buildings and landmarks in 3D where they are available, but the surrounding area is flattened out and only available in two dimensions.

New imagery rendering and computer vision techniques now allow us to create an accurate and comprehensive 3D representation of entire metropolitan areas. But we recognize this impacts our amazing geo modeling community. In the select areas where it will launch, the 3D Buildings layer on mobile and tablet devices will display only the new automatically generated 3D imagery. Manually modeled 3D buildings from both our users and own team will continue to appear everywhere else, as well as on desktop versions of Google Earth for now. As we expand our ability to provide comprehensive 3D buildings and terrain for entire cities and regions, we know this raises questions for anyone who has modeled for Google Earth.

What is going to happen to the buildings in Google Earth that I’ve modeled?
When we release the new 3D imagery in select regions later this summer, any models you’ve previously created in the areas covered by the new 3D imagery will no longer appear in Google Earth for mobile. Your models will remain available in the 3D Warehouse and continue to inform the 3D models in Google Maps.

What about Building Maker models?
Building Maker is a useful tool irregardless of the eligibility for those models to appear in the 3D Building layer in Google Earth. It's a great way to start a dimensionally accurate, aerially textured model for SketchUp, and useful for creating context models for SketchUp scenes. Building Maker will continue to be available for these purposes.

What about SketchUp models?
In the regions where the new 3D imagery is available, we will no longer publish the 3D Buildings layer in Google Earth for mobile. However, we anticipate that there will be many parts of the globe that will take some time to expand to with this new type of 3D imagery, or never be able to reach at all. In those regions, user contributed models will still be important for providing a complete picture of the 3D landscape. User contributed 3D buildings may also continue to help inform the 3D buildings on Maps.

Why is my model being replaced by something with less geometric detail?
In some cases, the close-up work done by individual modelers may be more detailed than the current model created by the new 3D imagery techniques. Those detailed and beautifully textured models will of course continue to be available in the 3D Warehouse, and we appreciate you letting us share your model in Google Earth to date to provide a representation of the world in three dimensions.

However, using aerial imagery to create 3D models enables us to keep these 3D versions of the world more accurate and up-to-date than is possible with manually created models. In addition, the new 3D buildings and terrain are all generated from the same high resolution aerial imagery, enabling precise alignment of the new models and a seamless 3D experience across an entire area. In an effort to create an accurate, consistent, and more complete 3D representation of the Earth, we are replacing all existing models with the new 3D imagery and will continue working to improve them over time.

WiIl I still be able to submit buildings to Google Earth?
We are thrilled by the commitment shown by users contributing 3D buildings to Google Earth, and hope to continue working with these modelers from all over the world to accurately and realistically represent areas where the new 3D models are not able to be created. We encourage you to submit your models for areas where we have not released new 3D imagery.

How will I know if my models are going to be affected?
We are currently exploring ways to inform you about changes to the places where your model appears.

So what does this mean for the future of 3D in Google Earth?
As mentioned above, there are many areas that will remain unaffected by the initial release of new 3D imagery on Google Earth for mobile, and will continue to display user contributed 3D models. For modelers who would still like to publish SketchUp models for clients, you can create your own instance of Google Earth via the plugin using the Google Earth API, which enables you to publish 3D content on the web to share with clients or the general public.

Our goal remains to create an accurate, consistent and comprehensive 3D representation of the Earth. With 3D imagery in its infancy, we can’t truly see what the future holds; but the one constant in this fast-paced, high-tech world is change, and further improvements are ahead.
 

Re: The Next Dimension of Google Maps - Official Post Michael Parkin 6/7/12 6:58 PM
Oh...and also wanted to point out...building lean is an issue because of the way Google is sourcing imagery now.  Imagery from state/local sources minimize building lean and they do it by writing it into their flyover specs.  For our aerials, our specs make sure we don't have any building lean because we have them produce DTMs from the buildings as well as the ground (we have some 30 story buildings, too).  When Google was using publicly sourced imagery...this type of imagery was captured and based on standards (and done by certified photogrammetrists).  Since our imagery was in that data set...it met our specs for a while, but once they started sourcing their own imagery (with their own specs)..things started to fall out of alignment.  Now they 'got their own planes' and are using whatever techniques they can to map the world...which is fine, but it won't be as tight it used to be because they are mapping larger areas...so for us, it might not work out anymore..and for you, you'll see building roofs in the middle of streets and you can't place your model..

BUT...then again..this a moot point because you won't be able to place your model in GE anymore.  :0)


On Thursday, June 7, 2012 8:46:12 PM UTC-4, Paul van Dinther wrote:
Re: The Next Dimension of Google Maps - Official Post pmolsen 6/7/12 7:00 PM
Even the keenest modelers would have to admit that the overall look of the sort of technology shown on the Nokia web site (see below) is far superior to what our combined efforts have been able to achieve. 

It cannot compete at the fine detail level with a Sketchup model of something like the Eiffel Tower, and nor will Google's new stuff, but from a distance with the complete landscape modeled it looks great.

It would have been nice if Google had seen fit to provide an option to fade out their mesh and fade in selected ones of our buildings when the user zoomed in very close, or clicked on an individual area, but unfortunately that was not to be.

From a money point of view we weren't paid by Google but we also didn't generate a lot of income for them.  


On Friday, June 8, 2012 10:46:12 AM UTC+10, Paul van Dinther wrote:

Anyone can have a live preview of what the Google technology might look like. There used to be a Nokia beta site that is broken since the Google Announcement last night but here is a site that is a lesser quality web-gl based that still works. Zoom in to any city and marvel at the elevation detail. http://maps3d.svc.nokia.com/webgl/index.html
Re: The Next Dimension of Google Maps - Official Post Jean Demers 6/7/12 7:17 PM
I do understand that mixing hand made models with mesh layer is hardly feasable. Of course I won't miss the so called "gargage models" but what about masterpieces such as Saint Basil's Cathedral, Golden Gate, Versailles and hundreds or thousands other models?
I think, like many others mentioned, the hand made models layer should still be available like it is actually for the "grey cubes" layer.
It should not cost that much since hand made models repository must be maintened for non mesh areas.

Jean

Re: The Next Dimension of Google Maps - Official Post pmolsen 6/7/12 8:11 PM
Ok so it will cost a small amount to maintain. Just call it a deferred payment to the modelers who have probably spent a combined million or so hours improving Google Earth, the sole reward in most cases being seeing their models showcased for others to admire. 

Surely Google has not yet reached the Microsoft stage of"profit at all costs" and just trample on the end user.
Re: The Next Dimension of Google Maps - Official Post Paul van Dinther 6/7/12 9:08 PM
It is not true that you can not bring models into Google Earth. Various sources have confirmed that model import via KML and I expect via the API will remain possible. Google also said that the collada format continues to be supported.

So, there is no reason your models can not be loaded into Google Earth. The only limitation is, nobody else will see them unless they load your kml file or visit your web-page containing the API code to load the models. My diorama system is based on this very principle and it will continue to function.

However, the new system looks like a continuous mesh. Ground, buildings, it is all the same surface. So you can't simply turn off the building layer. I wonder if and how Google plans to deal with that. 

Maybe it will be possible to turn off the photogrametry and have SRTM elevation data instead.

Another thought is that Google might consider to keep a small selection of the very finest land-marks as a separate layer. But again, a nice token to the creators but I expect virtually nobody will ever look at it.
Re: The Next Dimension of Google Maps - Official Post pmolsen 6/8/12 12:09 AM
So what is the "Next Dimension" for us poor forgotten modelers? Perhaps "Google Interiors":


Craig, do you have any insider information that may give us optimism please...?

Re: The Next Dimension of Google Maps - Official Post Ricardo Nunes 6/8/12 2:20 AM
Clickable buildings were the only thing that really mattered. Remove that and Google Earth becomes irrelevant.
Lets hope that our new friends Trimble realize this and retain this functionality along with the 3D warehouse.

Nevertheless, some other business will do it sooner or latter. Our detailed 3D models to well inside a FPS gaming engine. And yes, you can use that to visit interiors.
Change is hard but it's time to start doing something new :-)
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Re: The Next Dimension of Google Maps - Official Post washi 6/8/12 5:19 AM

Speaking only as a frequent user of the hand-made models available in Google Earth (I've never had a model in the 3D Warehouse accepted for use), I hope the old models will continue to be available to those of us who want to use them.  I lack the technical knowledge to know if it's actually feasible, but it seems to me that the 3D Buildings Layer ought to be able to be retrieved as a non-"built in" option through the Google Earth Gallery, for those of us who wish to continue to use them.  If that venue is not workable, perhaps some similar option can be concocted.

It breaks my heart, Ishii san, to see all your hard work so lightly tossed away!

Re: The Next Dimension of Google Maps - Official Post matthiasbasler 6/8/12 8:50 AM
On 7 Jun., 19:06, SnowTiger <snowti...@modelstoglobe.com> wrote:
> Although, I'm guessing Canada will have to wait another 10 years to
> experience any of it because we're always sucking the hind teet when it
> comes to this stuff (it seems).
>  [...]
> I'm going to have to completely rethink what I am doing and trying to do
> etc (from a business perspective) [...]

Well, with ten years ahead of you I wouldn't worry :-)

Just yesterday I arrived at the guess that Weißenburg (17'500
inhabitants, Germany) has probably another 8 years ahead until there
will be a 3D mesh available. Which means that I will have the town
centre completed *before* there is no more need to. ;-)
(Estimated time of completion: 2014/15)

Matthias Basler
Re: The Next Dimension of Google Maps - Official Post matthiasbasler 6/8/12 9:09 AM
On 8 Jun., 00:47, "Sebastian S." <sebastian.strittmat...@gmx.net>
wrote:
> But I don't understand why it has to be one of those two 'versions', why
> can't both versions not be compined?

That's EXACTLY the point. Technically they old and new 3D layer could
be provided side by side, at least in a future Google Earth version.
Its just a question of money to maintain and update two 3D layers and
maintain the high number of 3D building reviewers. Since Google is a
company and thus primarily wants to make money I have not much hope
they will make this concession to us. (Google, please prove me wrong!)

Matthias Basler
Re: The Next Dimension of Google Maps - Official Post r a e m e n n 6/8/12 9:10 AM

I've only made models with the intent of 'winning' or earning more badges, and to help myself fall asleep. Once my models are replaced by the mesh, I assume that the number of models accounted for and represented with my badges on my warehouse profile will be reduced to zero at some point. 

I've taken a screenshot of my badges, but that feels like cheating, I could have just p-shopped it (sadly, I feel as though I should have years ago). Is there some way to add another element to the 3D warehouse user profile that lists how many models were replaced by the mesh?

I also agree that no matter what the cost, a layer with our legacy efforts as modelers should be available on Google Earth. There's a layer for almost everything, i don't think profit or science has been a driving force for some of those layers.

I'm just happy to have broken 1,000 uploaded before the sky fell. Thanks for all the good times... RIP
RE: The Next Dimension of Google Maps - Official Post Davenport GIS 6/8/12 9:09 AM
It looks like neither of those locations have the 45 degree aerial imagery, so I think you should be okay for a while I would guess.  My city of Davenport, Iowa already has the oblique imagery done so I figure I'm on borrowed time.  So I'm on death row.  
Re: The Next Dimension of Google Maps - Official Post edu 6/8/12 9:51 AM
Hi CraigD,

when google tell us wich cities will appears in the new 3d mode? thx
Re: The Next Dimension of Google Maps - Official Post matthiasbasler 6/8/12 10:02 AM
On 8 Jun., 03:31, Richard Pedicini <richard.pedic...@gmail.com> wrote:
>  The desktop Google Earth 3D layer may not die, but merely fade away.

Being a "desktop centric person" without one single smartphone I
suddenly feel so old and outdated ...

Well, if people prefer watching 3D worlds on 4" displays instead of
20" widescreen, it's their problem. I believe I have more fun on a
large screen.
:-)

Matthias Basler
Re: The Next Dimension of Google Maps - Official Post Google Craig 6/8/12 11:08 AM
Hi Michael, I can only imagine your frustration at this news.  We knew that this decision was going to be difficult news to take and would have repercussions to the modelers we know and admire.  Similar to what Oliver says in his post, I believe that as technology changes, people's methods and businesses must change as well, and sometimes drastically.  We wouldn't be doing our job if we didn't push the technology into the future.  My hope is that folks like you can adapt and find new interesting and lucrative methods to use Google Earth, Maps and Mobile Maps in ways we haven't even imagined yet.

Regarding dodging questions about existing models, please reiterate the questions you have and I'll do my best to answer them. :)

Also, in this link, you'll see our previous announcement regarding 3D Warehouse models and the transfer of licensing from Google to Trimble, and here is the link to the Google 3D Warehouse terms of service to review.  You can see what rights you and Google and Trimble share with regards to your models. 

With regards to imagery, we will continue to improve our photogrammetry and aerial photography methods with an eye towards improved quality and accuracy.  So I would expect improvements across the board with our development and use of technology. 

This information is meant to share with you what I can at the moment and as this was a preview you can expect more information to come in the near future.

Cheers,

    - CraigD
Re: The Next Dimension of Google Maps - Official Post profedetecno 6/8/12 11:23 AM
Tras mucho leer en este post llego a la conclusión que ha llegado el fin de la era de modelar edificios en 3d para google earth. Tarde o temprano este hobby desaparecera. Personalmente me entristece bastante ya que era una buena motivación para introducir a mis alumnos en el mundo del diseño 3d. Entiendo que los tiempos cambian y la tecnología evoluciona me cuesta aceptar que los acontecimientos de Trimble no tienen nada que ver. Personalmente creo que no hay mas que hablar. Me despido de google e intentare mostrar otros aspectos de sketchup a mis alumnos. Ha sido interesante mientras duró. Suerte  a los demás.

El miércoles, 6 de junio de 2012 20:06:05 UTC+2, CraigD - Google escribió:
Re: The Next Dimension of Google Maps - Official Post Google Craig 6/8/12 12:55 PM
Hi  r a e m e n n, 

we are still working on ideas around notification for models that have been replaced with 3D imagery models, so there will be more information on that as we work it all out.

As far as cost not being an object to keeping the existing 3D Buildings layer around, it's much more complicated than I think most people realize.  It's not just the cost of hosting the models as is...there is a tremendous amount of time and resources involved in the initial review of the models, comparison review of multiple models in one location, deep delving into appeals models, reviewing reported inaccurate models, then the internal process of updating the layer, with testing , and then publishing the layer on a weekly basis, so this is not at all for free.  Plus these are the same resources that will now be working on the 3D imagery cities, so there's a business decision on how we work on everything that goes into Google Earth.  It's a little bit like the analogy of replacing the family car. Do you: A) continuing to spend money fixing/repairing an older car, B) buying a new car with new reliability, better gas mileage and safety features, or C) buying a brand new car AND continuing to spend money maintaining an older car.   I don't mean to trivialize the decisions with my analogy, but when time and resources are limited, and yes we have to think about that here at Google just like in any other company, it's very difficult to choose an option "C".

I hope that makes sense.

Cheers,

     - CraigD
Re: The Next Dimension of Google Maps - Official Post Google Craig 6/8/12 1:03 PM
Hi edu, 

Just like Building Maker cities and 45 degree imagery updates in the past, our policy is that we do not publish planned updates to the data.

Thanks,

     - CraigD


On Friday, June 8, 2012 10:51:56 AM UTC-6, edu wrote:
Hi CraigD,

when google tell us wich cities will appears in the new 3d mode? thx
Re: The Next Dimension of Google Maps - Official Post Google Craig 6/8/12 1:48 PM
Hi Richard, I found your post interesting. Thanks for sharing. I will also try to avoid using "beautiful" to describe people's work, thanks for that information.

To answer your questions:

As you already stated, we do not publish our plans for upcoming cities.

We did not use User Contributed Models to test against the 3D imagery cities. It's a difficult proposition to do this, and would have required all kinds of hand tuning to get the terrain correct as a base and then to locate a UGC model at that location.

Thanks for you post and your questions.

Cheers,

     - CraigD


Re: The Next Dimension of Google Maps - Official Post Google Craig 6/8/12 1:58 PM
Hello profedetecno, I understand your disappointment. Also, and as I've said in other posts, this change in technology has nothing to do with the sale of SketchUp to Trimble.  We've been using Building Maker to create 3D cities for years, so we weren't relying on SketchUp for our large city projects.  Trimble is a great company and is a wonderful new home to SketchUp and all my dear friends there, so I really look forward to great things from them! :)

Cheers,

      - CraigD
Re: The Next Dimension of Google Maps - Official Post Richard Pedicini 6/8/12 2:40 PM
Fleeing larger cities ahead of the advancing wave of mesh has been discussed as a strategy. I know that a lot of my models will be among the first to go, since they're in Hollywood, CA, which is just the sort of urban area high on the list. I also noticed when modeling that doing the Walk of Fame, streetlights, and palm trees improved the effect enormously, and this is the sort of detail that will now be included everywhere.

Another refuge I haven't seen addressed, is not in space but in time, that is, historic reconstruction. Google already provides historic images in the map layer, necessarily only for the fairly recent past given the lack of, say, 17th century aerial photos. There are already some impressive modeling projects such as the Roman Forum.

There is interest in seeing the Rome of Caesars, or Shakespeare's or Sherlock Holmes's London. There is no way to automatically generate that from aerial photos, unless Google is developing a time machine, which of course company policy does not permit Craig to comment on.

That raises the inverse question of integrating the 3D mesh with hand models. Not for Shakespeare or Marcus Aurelius, of course, but much of London is not that different from when Conan Doyle walked its streets. Would there be a way to selectively import buildings from the mesh, and model only buildings that have been replaced in the last century?

Someone (StrayKat?) pointed out that what purchasers sought in her models was an idealized version of buildings, where the paint was fresh and the stairs weren't crooked. Nostalgia provides the same rose-tinted lens, so perhaps the world as it once was, or at least ought to have been, will continue to provide a showcase for Sketchup models that automation cannot replace.

 - Richard
Re: The Next Dimension of Google Maps - Official Post Stray Kat 6/8/12 3:05 PM
Wow.
I feel a little bad for modelers, but I'm torn.  It's like feeling sad for painters because someone invented the camera.  And I never thought my models would last forever, so that part is alright.  Onwards and upwards.  Goodbye to floating models, good riddance to Building Maker bad texturing, and no more modeling on bumpy terrain.
Although, yes, this does create some interesting business situations for me that I'll need to untangle, including a $3,000 modeling contract from last month, but I always have my hands in more than one pot, so financially, I'll be fine.
Craig, this must be quite the adjustment for you personally as well, I hope the Geo-modeling staff there at Google are adapting alright.

Cool?
In the end, my biggest concern is just a matter of Coolness.  Sure, the stereoscopic SF looks "cooler" from 700 feet than UGC SF... but what about at ground level?  I had a post long ago showing how grossly melty the C3 buildings are, close up.

My only disappointment.
Stereoscopic web-mesh just isn't as accurate as LiDAR.  If "my" models are going to be replaced, I just kinda hoped that it would be with ground-based scanning, converted into SketchUp models and new terrain via some kind of integration software like what Pointools/Berkeley has going on.
I don't mind my work being replaced.  It only hurts to be replaced by something low-quality. I know, I know, Stereoscopic's ROI ratio is awesome, way faster and cheaper than LiDAR.  Still.  (Pout)

Hope:
So here's my hope.  I hope that Google will still allow people to do some GE editing.  To unmelt the trees from the streets, for example, or straighten out what will likely be wobbly-looking buildings.
I hope that someday my dream of real-world-based online video games on Google Earth will still come true.  It just seemed to make sense.  Maybe Google just isn't looking that far forward in their rush to beat Apple. Instead of owning the game and reinventing the rules, it just looks like Google is following someone else's play.  I guess time will tell whether or not that was a good strategy.
RE: The Next Dimension of Google Maps - Official Post pmolsen 6/8/12 3:17 PM
How do you pull up the 45 degree imagery? I just went to both San Francisco
and Los Angeles, which I would assume have it, and both had the option
greyed out.
Re: The Next Dimension of Google Maps - Official Post Zoungy Kligge 6/8/12 7:26 PM
pmolsen try zooming in closer. it switches automatically for me
Re: The Next Dimension of Google Maps - Official Post SnowTiger 6/9/12 7:27 AM
@Matthias

"Being a "desktop centric person" without one single smartphone I
suddenly feel so old and outdated ..."

I know exactly how you feel. I'm in the same boat.
Re: The Next Dimension of Google Maps - Official Post pmolsen 6/9/12 2:13 PM
It switches automatically from map view to Streetview when I zoom in. It does not switch to 45 degree view and 45 degree photos remain greyed out. (San Francisco).
Re: The Next Dimension of Google Maps - Official Post 2k10 6/9/12 4:19 PM
You have to be in satellite mode to switch to 45º view. Here you have a link to the aerial view: http://goo.gl/maps/OieM
Re: The Next Dimension of Google Maps - Official Post Zoungy Kligge 6/10/12 10:43 AM
Craig-- it would be cool/interesting how this might be a solution for organic-shaped man made sites like Mount Rushmore-- I wonder what kind of results could be produced, making a seamless mountain terrain/monument with this technology and if Google is considering this for similar sites around the world?
Re: The Next Dimension of Google Maps - Official Post Jean Demers 6/10/12 11:28 AM
Ok, let's face the reality: Google drops hand made 3D models for populating the 3D layer in Google Earth. It is a business decision and it is legitimate.

What? Masterpieces will disapear from GE? People enjoy modeling and want proudly show the result in GE to the world?

Google said that one raison to not maintain hand made 3D layer is the resources needed for initial reviews and appeals. Maybe it is time for the modelers' community to take its destiny in its own hands!

Like wikipiedia, why not let manage the selection of the models by the community itself? Google Earth already cooperates with many projects such as wikipedia, wikiloc, gigapan, youtube, etc. that show their layers on the map. Why not a Wiki-Building-3D? Maybe it is possible to get some collaboration with other resources such as Wikimedia Commons...

The community could do three things: define and maintain the selection criteria (that will make happy many peoples ;) accept models and deal with appeals. Let's divide the whole Earth many areas to share the tasks among multiple evaluators...

Well, many issues will come up: the process of updating and publishing HM layer for example... That can hardly be done by the community without external resources... But nothing can't be solved... :)

Yes, this is a crazy idea...

Jean


Re: The Next Dimension of Google Maps - Official Post Gravitar 6/10/12 4:06 PM
That is an awesome idea! I would really want to be apart of this!

Re: The Next Dimension of Google Maps - Official Post Doug 6/10/12 6:40 PM
I don't know if I want to wait for Google to start removing my buildings one by one or just delete them all now. I do know if I keep them, I will delete them en mass when Google starts removing them.

Question : Is Google going to change the badge system ? Even though they're fairly meaningless ,except for bragging rights, I would hate to see fewer badges every time that I login. It's depressing enough.

Since Google is eventually going to remove the models from GE, I'm really curious why Trimble bought SketchUp and the rights to our models. This is another reason why I want to delete my models.

I'll probably just hang in for awhile and see what happens but I personnel don't see any reason to make any new buildings.
Re: The Next Dimension of Google Maps - Official Post TomHarvey 6/10/12 10:45 PM
Jean,

This idea came up a few years ago. I thought it was good then and I still do. I would be happy to be involved in the evaluation process.

Tom

Re: The Next Dimension of Google Maps - Official Post Ricardo Nunes 6/11/12 2:07 AM
Only way to go might be to integrate 3D with Open Street Maps. Actually OSM is starting to replace payed solutions (such as Google Maps) in things like panorama viewers.
And also perhaps try to get the 3d models into the wiki commons.

Re: The Next Dimension of Google Maps - Official Post matthiasbasler 6/11/12 10:10 AM
Jean wrote:

> Maybe it is time for the
> modelers' community to take its destiny in its own hands!

Thought about this myself more than once.
The obvious benefit are:
- is that a community driven project gives more freedom for licensing
for the modeller ... you may not automatically give away your model
for almost every purpose (including creating war games from them ...)
- we can have a different view on quality vs. quantity, we can have
different layers for high-/medium/low detail models, for example

The obvious problems are:
- Find someone providing the infrastructure and find sponsors to find
it.
- The project must gain enough acceptance to become useful. An earth
that's empty of 3D models except for half a dozen city is not useful.
- Project management tasks, such as voting on reviewers and such.

The not-so-obvious problems are:
- Have the platform to show the models. As long as Google Earth
supports loading custom 3D models even in areas that have the
autogenerated city models, things are maybe not ideal, but doable. But
what if, lets say, Google stops providing the elevation model to
SketchUp for such areas? Or you could not turn off the "new" buildings
and elevation model separately in order to load in own models? Who
knows how things will turn out.
- A diverse community which sure enough has equally diverse opinions
to the question what a "good" or "better" model is.
- Are you *really* willing to continue building models in areas once
you have seen Googles new models (Still in two years, when the
technique is advanced even further?)

I am pretty sure there are people from science, industry, governments
and public surveying offices out there who already played with the
thought of offering similar services like the 3D warehouse. Maybe they
take their chance now. I am waiting for invitations ;-)

Wiki commons is a good first idea. Maybe there are other wiki or wiki-
like systems out there more specialized in hosting models. Needs to be
investigated.

Anyway, you have my support.
Re: The Next Dimension of Google Maps - Official Post Google Craig 6/11/12 10:15 AM
Hi StrayKatStudio,

I always appreciate reading your thoughts. This has been quite an adjustment for us too, and with many of our handmade models set to be replaced, can relate to and share the sense of disappointment that others have expressed.

A few notes on your "only disappointment": I don't know what "stereoscopic web-mesh" is, but we're using integrated photogrammetry techniques such as combining LiDAR, GPS and ortho/oblique aerial photography which is extremely accurate. And "ground-based scanning, converted into SketchUp models and new terrain via some kind of integration software.." sounds neat, but really isn't viable from a cost, time or accuracy perspective.  Any ground-based scanning would have to include air-based scanning for the majority of the features anyway as it's impossible to get the height data of something that you can't scan from the ground, such as a step roof skyscraper or a building with a courtyard, or one of many different roof details you can imagine that would be impossible to scan from the ground. And then you'd have to combine that data with an imagery layer, and some kind of layer that includes SketchUp models, and then some kind of layer that includes Terrain (beginning to sound pretty familiar, no? ;)  So I guess, since we are using LiDAR, there's no reason to pout. ;)

As far as "following someone else's play", it's similar to your assumption on LiDAR, we are and always have been thinking very far ahead. ..and have been for quite some time.  It's like seeing a brand new self-driving car for the first time...it wasn't designed, tested, and built the day you saw it.

Cheers,

    - CraigD
Re: The Next Dimension of Google Maps - Official Post Google Craig 6/11/12 10:23 AM
Hi Jean, thanks for your reply.  What you've mentioned is only part of the problem with hand made models.  The real issues are consistency, accuracy, alignment, coverage which would still be issues and would still require time and effort to maintain.  That being said, we'll have SketchUp models in Google Earth for some time, especially in more rural areas.

Cheers,

     - CraigD
Re: The Next Dimension of Google Maps - Official Post Google Craig 6/11/12 10:36 AM
Peter, in Google Maps, you'll see the option for 45 degree imagery in the options drop down. See screenshot.



Cheers,

    - CraigD
Re: The Next Dimension of Google Maps - Official Post Google Craig 6/11/12 10:44 AM
Hi Doug, SketchUp buildings will be around in Google Earth for some time, especially in less populated regions. As well, 3D buildings can find their way onto Google Maps where they are wireframe, but still very useful.

We haven't made any plans for changing the badge system, and we're still looking into methods to notify folks of any changes to their models. That's all I can share at the moment, but we'll keep everyone up to date on developments.

Thanks,

     - CraigD
Re: The Next Dimension of Google Maps - Official Post przygod 6/12/12 3:47 AM
Thanks for the news Craig!

I think that is the moment where perfectly one rule is confirmed. From technology we should choose what works best. And then, eventually, we should think how to improve new invention rather than how to worship the old one.
From improvements side I wish and wonder if Google someday will enable any tool to improve its mesh by uploading additional photos of smaller structures as monuments, small architecture etc. It could work like Microsoft Photosynth which can produce point cloud from user photos.  

Is also the good choice to leave less dense areas for hobbyist modelers as they can still evolve their hobby there and from my experience with even better response from locals than in cities.

Best,
Krzysztof


W dniu środa, 6 czerwca 2012 20:06:05 UTC+2 użytkownik CraigD - Google napisał:
Today, we provided a preview of some changes that are coming to the 3D landscape in Google Earth, starting on mobile devices. Later this summer, we’ll unveil a new way of displaying 3D buildings on Google Earth for mobile, achieved by building complete cityscapes from the 45-degree aerial imagery used in Google Maps and Building Maker.

One of the biggest challenges in showing 3D buildings in Google Earth has been gathering complete 3D coverage to represent the real world seamlessly and consistently. For example, many areas in Google Earth have specific buildings and landmarks in 3D where they are available, but the surrounding area is flattened out and only available in two dimensions.

New imagery rendering and computer vision techniques now allow us to create an accurate and comprehensive 3D representation of entire metropolitan areas. But we recognize this impacts our amazing geo modeling community. In the select areas where it will launch, the 3D Buildings layer on mobile and tablet devices will display only the new automatically generated 3D imagery. Manually modeled 3D buildings from both our users and own team will continue to appear everywhere else, as well as on desktop versions of Google Earth for now. As we expand our ability to provide comprehensive 3D buildings and terrain for entire cities and regions, we know this raises questions for anyone who has modeled for Google Earth.

What is going to happen to the buildings in Google Earth that I’ve modeled?
When we release the new 3D imagery in select regions later this summer, any models you’ve previously created in the areas covered by the new 3D imagery will no longer appear in Google Earth for mobile. Your models will remain available in the 3D Warehouse and continue to inform the 3D models in Google Maps.

What about Building Maker models?
Building Maker is a useful tool irregardless of the eligibility for those models to appear in the 3D Building layer in Google Earth. It's a great way to start a dimensionally accurate, aerially textured model for SketchUp, and useful for creating context models for SketchUp scenes. Building Maker will continue to be available for these purposes.

What about SketchUp models?
In the regions where the new 3D imagery is available, we will no longer publish the 3D Buildings layer in Google Earth for mobile. However, we anticipate that there will be many parts of the globe that will take some time to expand to with this new type of 3D imagery, or never be able to reach at all. In those regions, user contributed models will still be important for providing a complete picture of the 3D landscape. User contributed 3D buildings may also continue to help inform the 3D buildings on Maps.

Why is my model being replaced by something with less geometric detail?
In some cases, the close-up work done by individual modelers may be more detailed than the current model created by the new 3D imagery techniques. Those detailed and beautifully textured models will of course continue to be available in the 3D Warehouse, and we appreciate you letting us share your model in Google Earth to date to provide a representation of the world in three dimensions.

However, using aerial imagery to create 3D models enables us to keep these 3D versions of the world more accurate and up-to-date than is possible with manually created models. In addition, the new 3D buildings and terrain are all generated from the same high resolution aerial imagery, enabling precise alignment of the new models and a seamless 3D experience across an entire area. In an effort to create an accurate, consistent, and more complete 3D representation of the Earth, we are replacing all existing models with the new 3D imagery and will continue working to improve them over time.

WiIl I still be able to submit buildings to Google Earth?
We are thrilled by the commitment shown by users contributing 3D buildings to Google Earth, and hope to continue working with these modelers from all over the world to accurately and realistically represent areas where the new 3D models are not able to be created. We encourage you to submit your models for areas where we have not released new 3D imagery.

How will I know if my models are going to be affected?
We are currently exploring ways to inform you about changes to the places where your model appears.

So what does this mean for the future of 3D in Google Earth?
As mentioned above, there are many areas that will remain unaffected by the initial release of new 3D imagery on Google Earth for mobile, and will continue to display user contributed 3D models. For modelers who would still like to publish SketchUp models for clients, you can create your own instance of Google Earth via the plugin using the Google Earth API, which enables you to publish 3D content on the web to share with clients or the general public.

Our goal remains to create an accurate, consistent and comprehensive 3D representation of the Earth. With 3D imagery in its infancy, we can’t truly see what the future holds; but the one constant in this fast-paced, high-tech world is change, and further improvements are ahead.
 
Re: The Next Dimension of Google Maps - Official Post Stray Kat 6/12/12 1:11 PM
Hi Craig,
  Stereoscopy is perhaps a bit outdated, my dad used it for detecting 3D structures from two mounted cameras on his surveying airplane in Alaska.  It's the grandfather of current photogrammetry techniques.  Both terms are essentially "multiple photos being combined to determine 3D stuff".
  The Web-mesh is ... uh, yeah, I think I made that up.  Didn't know how else to describe the new 3D surface.  It does look very web-like.  Lots of triangles.  And it's fabric-like, drapey, therefore the Mesh.
  Getting more accurate feedback is the best part of announcing my ignorance.

  That's cool that you're integrating LiDAR and not just using photos.  I guess I'll stop pouting a little.  ;)  Well, maybe, once I see if the end result is as cool as it sounds.  I just want the world mapped, I honestly don't care how it's done.  SketchUp modeling is so much work.  The root of my "only disappointment" is the fear that the end result won't be as accurate on the ground-level as SketchUp could be (in theory).
  The biggest lesson I'm taking away from this is that I need to stop being an end-user, always being surprised and playing catch-up to new tech, and get myself closer to the design/production/management end of these kinds of technology, and then I can help other people play catch-up, like Craig is doing with us.  Anyone know a LiDAR company who would hire me?  I'm great at in-person sales.  I can do the talking so that the engineers can do the engineering.
Re: The Next Dimension of Google Maps - Official Post matthiasbasler 6/13/12 9:47 AM
On 12 Jun., 22:11, StrayKatStudio <straykatstu...@gmail.com> wrote:

>   The Web-mesh is ... uh, yeah, I think I made that up.  Didn't know how
> else to describe the new 3D surface.  It does look very web-like.  Lots of
> triangles.

The end result, as I could see in the demo video, is a TIN, a
"triangular irregular network".

I agree, I wouldn't know how to call the whole technique officially.
But "integrated photogrammetry" as Craig called it, sounds good for
me. "Integrated" because it combines several sources (including LIDAR)
and photogrammetry because, just as you describe, it is "multiple
photos being combined to determine 3D stuff". Indeed the idea of
photogrammetry is old, but its still the same idea. The difference it
is that now computers do it instead of people who,a decade ago,
manually grabbed single points of elevation from a pair of images.

Matthias Basler
Re: The Next Dimension of Google Maps - Official Post Google Craig 6/13/12 9:59 AM
Well as "integrated photogrammetry" is a descriptive term for the data capturing techniques, it doesn't roll off the tongue and we don't use that to describe the "Web-mesh" as StrayKat calls it. :)  We've been calling the end result "3D imagery" in Google Earth.  The new imagery is really high resolution and looks great!  Incidentally, I now start doing jumping jacks and waving at planes when I hear them fly over.. ;) 

Cheers,

     - CraigD
Re: The Next Dimension of Google Maps - Official Post Jorge del Cid 6/13/12 10:55 AM

Hi Craig, sorry if I am posting this question perhaps in the wrong group (I hope not):

I have a small visualization business where very often I model future projects for my clients in sketchup and upload them to Google Earth API so the client can see them......fortunately for me the the area where I provide services (Virginia) Google Earth never had 3d buildings (like the metro areas does), and now I know they will not have it anyways since Google is shifting to the new automated technology (not the traditional GE or sketchup model)........ question is:

When all this new technology get deployed and running in place.....assuming the area where I build models for my clients gets all in the new auto generated 3d system........ How will I be able to import my sketchup models on an area that already have the new 3d buildings already in place?? I am guessing I will not be able to "hide" some of those buildings generated by the new automated system..... and if I am not going to be able to get the "area of my town" where I do my job without any buildings (just terrain like right now), how I will be able to show my client his/her new building on an area that is already populated with the new ones??? Assuming I am using GE API.

I will appreciate if you can address my concern, part of my business is based on that and I will be affected tremendously ( and I guess a lot of businesses as well) if there is no way to place new developments on the google earth API effectively.

Very Best wishes.

Jorge del Cid

Re: The Next Dimension of Google Maps - Official Post matthiasbasler 6/13/12 12:35 PM
On 13 Jun., 18:59, CraigD - Google <cra...@google.com> wrote:
> Incidentally, I now start doing jumping jacks
> and waving at planes when I hear them fly over.. ;)

Oh, but I hope Google makes the autogenerated 3D people intentionally
blurry for privacy, at least in Germany. ;-)

Matthias Basler
Re: The Next Dimension of Google Maps - Official Post Google Craig 6/13/12 12:36 PM
Hi Jorge, the current plan is to have SketchUp continue to source the terrain from an area just as it does today, even if that area has 3D imagery modeling.  So you'll still be able to get accurate terrain data into SketchUp to place models on.  How to preview a 3D imagery area in Google Earth without showing the buildings is still TBD, so there will be more information on this to come.

The API will continue to allow you to show your models with the Google Earth terrain layer just as it does today.

I hope that helps.

Cheers,

     - CraigD
Re: The Next Dimension of Google Maps - Official Post Jorge del Cid 6/13/12 2:05 PM
Craig, thanks much for the response, it did help a lot, I guess we are all in the same boat, getting info by the minute...

Although your reply is very clear in the API case (being able to load the actual terrain we have right now without the new 3d dimension or mesh) and it gives me relief in that regard.......because in theory nothing should change for businesses like mine if we call the actual API release we have right now in our websites right? Same exact same thing we have had all along...... globe with terrain, some manual or sketchup or builder 3d buildings and the avility to still import your kmz files to the API.
 
Now.....the only question in the air right now is.....are we going to be able to keep using the regular google earth stand alone current release to complete the sketchup models with kml tours, overlays etc etc for my new projects? As you know something is to create the 3d model and place it. in tshe api......and something different is to add more elements to it (tours, overlays, baloons, icons etc etc...
I guess the question will be.....any idea if we will be able to still use google earth current release to still work like we do today??
As today I told my developer to start preparing new website for the incoming api version (new dimension ge) and we are exited to jump into this new stage of technology, but as I mentiones before, part of my business runs on geo modeling in ge api and I need to keep bringing solutions to my client as they know it.....eventually I will migrate one way or the other to the new ge.......(realistically a year or 2)
Again Craig, thx much!
Jorge del Cid

Re: The Next Dimension of Google Maps - Official Post Google Craig 6/13/12 2:22 PM
"....because in theory nothing should change for businesses like mine if we call the actual API release we have right now in our websites right? Same exact same thing we have had all along...... globe with terrain, some manual or sketchup or builder 3d buildings and the avility to still import your kmz files to the API."

Yes, that's the plan. 

"Now.....the only question in the air right now is.....are we going to be able to keep using the regular google earth stand alone current release to complete the sketchup models with kml tours, overlays etc etc for my new projects?"

In theory, older versions of Google Earth should do that. If this plan changes then I'll make sure everyone knows. 

Cheers,

     - CraigD
Re: The Next Dimension of Google Maps - Official Post Stray Kat 6/13/12 4:16 PM
Yes, please let's not call it "Integrated photogrammetry".  Too long.  But I maintain that the term "3D Imagery" doesn't differentiate enough from the previous paradigm.

I continue to dub the new approach Mesh modeling, although it's not a pretty word.  Reasons being:

1. It's monosyllabic, (unlike the word "monosyllabic")
2. The new model/terrain is all one layer, like fabric
3. The method for creating it is a mesh of technologies
4. And... wait for it... it's left us modelers in a big "mesh".  (Warning, that joke will not translate to other languages, possibly not even to English)

You may not like it, but just wait, Craig, it will creep into your vocabulary nonetheless.  Mwahaha. ;)
Re: The Next Dimension of Google Maps - Official Post Eneka Mujika 6/13/12 4:52 PM
The "Chateau de Versailles" has just opened this page.
www.versailles3d.com
look at the interior. This has not made an airplane.
salu2
nk
Re: The Next Dimension of Google Maps - Official Post Eneka Mujika 6/13/12 4:52 PM
Re: The Next Dimension of Google Maps - Official Post Jorge del Cid 6/13/12 5:39 PM
Craig, thx again for the responses.
 Best.
Jorge 
Re: The Next Dimension of Google Maps - Official Post pmolsen 6/13/12 9:25 PM
I cannot get any 3D view of the 2012 version or see any interior.
Re: The Next Dimension of Google Maps - Official Post Eneka Mujika 6/14/12 6:46 AM
Hi Olsen
Los modelos (cada sala o habitacion es un modelo) fueron creados para hacer los videos. Estos modelos tienen en ocasiones hasta 50Mb (ej: Galeria de las batallas) y las estatuas mas de 100,000 aristas.
El proceso de optimizacion es manual en el caso de las fotos. No se puede usar el mismo criterio para una pared de ladrillos que en una pintura del renacimiento.
Si todo va bien habra una actualizacion de los interiores cada mes.
salu2
nk

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Re: The Next Dimension of Google Maps - Official Post Josetxo 6/14/12 9:34 AM
Hi Peter
Sobre el tema de interiores, mi socio del concurso (peterg) MYT2012
(Getaria), en el 2010 recreo este interior. Todavía no he visto nada
mejor en la capa 0 de Google Earth..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hCf2ByOTjns

Visita la versión actual con el plugin de Google Earth, en formato
web
http://alturl.com/cppig
Las animaciones de Versalles en Artlantis son fantásticas, pero en
Google Earth anda algo justo, sobre todo en texturas.

Salu2
Josetxo/virtualsim




a mi modo de ver..




compruebalo visitandolo
Re: The Next Dimension of Google Maps - Official Post Ricardo Nunes 6/14/12 10:07 AM
Regarding terrain import into Sketchup, I don't see a problem. As far as I can tell the current altimetry data for some cities (Lisbon, Portugal for example) has already been derived from lidar/photo/streetview. So Google does know how to "clean" the buildings, trees, etc...

The only problems I see are:
- Having to build a Sketchup model around the 3D mesh elevation created by the "buildings", but the necessary tweaking is like what we've always done regarding terrain.
- Not being able to do interiors, because the buildings will (might?) be treated as terrain, so the camera will of course collide.

As for the 3D Versailles, my PC can't run it and it has a  ATI Radeon HD 5700 Series graphic board.... I get a blank screen.

Nevertheless interiors require a first person interface, and the best one I've seen is still the Google Earth plugin in terms of compatibility and performance.
I think that we tend to mix GoogleMaps GL with GoogleEarth in this discussion. They are not the same and have different targets.





Re: The Next Dimension of Google Maps - Official Post Ricardo Nunes 6/14/12 2:28 PM
Just a small update, I tried the Versailles "Chaos to perfection" again, on my less powerfull laptop (Geforce GT240M) and it worked.
Great modeling, nice interface and presentation! Would love to be able to load our geomodels into that viewer :-) !

Re: The Next Dimension of Google Maps - Official Post Bertier Luyt 6/15/12 11:02 AM
Peter does a great job and his interior is really a good model.

Versailles3d is a very big model, we had to make some choices ! The beauty is it can only get better. 
Re: The Next Dimension of Google Maps - Official Post Urban 3D Modeling 6/15/12 3:29 PM
Craig,

Thanks for the news. Obviously this is sad for many of us. Will your team continue to update the 3D buildings layer?

If not, I have one final request- I have 3 client models that are in the queue for acceptance. Could you please accept these models as a kind gesture and add them to the 3D buildings layer? I would appreciate it especially because of all the good work that I have put into 3D modeling. I think this is a fair request in good faith, especially since this news came on very quickly.  I need these to go live so I can invoice my clients.

http://sketchup.google.com/3dwarehouse/details?mid=12a171c9858d7d25d889ea5b2db03512
http://sketchup.google.com/3dwarehouse/details?mid=ae11ed50d29e77ab3d50fa390bdcde60
http://sketchup.google.com/3dwarehouse/details?mid=3d73e34ffec6132b3d50fa390bdcde60

Thanks,
Steve
Re: The Next Dimension of Google Maps - Official Post Randy 6/16/12 2:06 AM
I was listening to twit.tv yesterday as I usually do while at my PC, and like any other day my attention to the broadcasts will drift in and out until I hear something of particular interest to me. My attention was caught when I heard a comment from one of the panelists, and though I don't remember the exact comment, it was something like . . . "...but isn't that exactly the reason most of us are in the technology field." He then continued by saying "...because it's continuously changing, there's always something new just around the corner. So, we need to remember that's what attracts us to it."
 
I'd like to second that.
 
Randy.
Re: The Next Dimension of Google Maps - Official Post Google Craig 6/19/12 10:41 AM
Hi Steve, I want to be clear that we'll continue to support and publish to the 3D Buildings layer for some time to come. The announcement above and subsequent discussions impact highly populated cities first, and you can imagine that it will take some time to cover the globe with the new data.

That being said, you're models are excellent, however appear to be missing Google Earth imagery on the rooftops and upfacing surfaces, which is a requirement  in the current acceptance criteria. Please update your models as soon as possible so that they can be included in the next push.

Cheers,

     - CraigD
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Re: The Next Dimension of Google Maps - Official Post Stray Kat 7/4/12 2:28 PM
"Not being able to do interiors, because the buildings will (might?) be treated as terrain, so the camera will of course collide."

4thRock, I'm also concerned about this.  For future Real Estate applications, it's ideal to be able to go inside, but from what I gather, it sounds like the GE API will still be able to support the current mode of operations, if nothing else.  And hopefully when the new Meshy GE cities come to the desktop GE, there will still be an alternate Terrain/Model GE view so that we can still email GE files and not have them run into terrain-mesh buildings.  Craig, any input on if I have this right?  My predictions are generally too idealistic.
Re: The Next Dimension of Google Maps - Official Post Ryan Rice 7/5/12 6:43 AM
This is really disappointing and infuriating. I have invested 100's probably 1000's of hours into my models and take great pride in them. It is just like Google to completely abandon the group that has made their product so great. We have never charged google a dime for our hard work and this is the thanks we get. I think my use of Google products is now over and I will spread the word. Here I come Apple.

Thanks for nothing Google.
Re: The Next Dimension of Google Maps - Official Post jasonalwaysready 7/5/12 7:01 AM
i hate cars.  i'm sticking with horses.  I've spent years breeding and feeding these things.

thanks for nothing henry ford.


On Thursday, July 5, 2012 9:43:57 AM UTC-4, Ryan Rice wrote:
This is really disappointing and infuriating. I have invested 100's probably 1000's of hours into my models and take great pride in them. It is just like Google to completely abandon the group that has made their product so great. We have never charged google a dime for our hard work and this is the thanks we get. I think my use of Google products is now over and I will spread the word. Here I come Apple.

Thanks for nothing Google.
Re: The Next Dimension of Google Maps - Official Post Ryan Rice 7/5/12 7:20 AM
If cars were lower quality, less reliable and less detailed then horses you would have a valid argument.
Re: The Next Dimension of Google Maps - Official Post jasonalwaysready 7/5/12 9:35 AM
cars also don't become your friend if you offer them a sugar cube.
Re: The Next Dimension of Google Maps - Official Post Ryan Rice 7/5/12 10:24 AM
It would be like switching from horses to rabbits as a mode of transportation. Yes there are a lot more rabbits and they are much more obtainable and cheaper then horses. But man would they suck as a way to get around.
That is what Google is doing with 3d data for GE.
Re: The Next Dimension of Google Maps - Official Post jasonalwaysready 7/5/12 10:29 AM
i agree with google decision to let building breed like rabbits instead of horses.  i wish individual awesome horses could be put into the rabbit enclosures.
Re: The Next Dimension of Google Maps - Official Post jago716 7/5/12 2:51 PM
Man, with that kind of patchwork imagery, San Francisco might as well be dealing with a 6.2 earthquake!

- jago716

On Monday, June 11, 2012 1:36:51 PM UTC-4, CraigD - Google wrote:
Peter, in Google Maps, you'll see the option for 45 degree imagery in the options drop down. See screenshot.



Cheers,

    - CraigD


On Saturday, June 9, 2012 3:13:59 PM UTC-6, pmolsen wrote:
It switches automatically from map view to Streetview when I zoom in. It does not switch to 45 degree view and 45 degree photos remain greyed out. (San Francisco).

On Saturday, June 9, 2012 12:26:20 PM UTC+10, Zoungy Kligge wrote:
pmolsen try zooming in closer. it switches automatically for me
Re: The Next Dimension of Google Maps - Official Post alandpatrik 7/6/12 7:59 AM

I would like to repeat some questions and concerns raised in previous threads:

Regarding the 3d-buildings layer for Google Earth (not Google Maps; the two seem to
have become synonyms as of lately. Autogen meshes are no doubt great and preferable for Google maps,  however Google Earth should remain just as it is in my opinion
. I do however understand that it might be a problem for Google from a cost point of view. Maybe Trimble will offer a solution to all this?).

My suggestion is that if Google choses to drop the 3d buildings layer altogether
and replace it completely with autogen meshes (which would be a big
mistake in my opinion), the community should be allowed some kind of access
to the "3d-buildings layer generation algorithm". By that i mean the  
generalization and optimization of 3d models to the state in which they
currently appear in the 3d buildings layer. There should be a way to run it
locally or through the API. This way serious geomodelers could display their work as before, without any need for Google intervention (thus no costs for Google).
I have experimented a bit with kml regions but have never succeeded in
making the models as optimized and easily rendered as they would be in the
3d buildings layer. Help and suggestions would be welcome!

One final thing; I would really like the "texture load radius feature" (new feature
in GE 6.2) to be user controlled as it seems to be entirely client side and
quite frustrating and meaningless on high end machines. See this location for example, it will load just fine in GE 6.1:   60.101467°   19.934780°

Several users have raised concern about this, the latest thread is here: http://sketchup.google.com/3dwarehouse/forum?place=topic%2F3dwh%2FrRw_32p7vP8%2Fdiscussion

Regards,

Patrik
Re: The Next Dimension of Google Maps - Official Post Ryan Rice 7/9/12 7:11 AM
The lack of response by the thread starter is deafening.
Re: The Next Dimension of Google Maps - Official Post Google Craig 7/9/12 8:50 AM
Hi StrayKatStudio, just as in the currently available mobile version, the 3D Buildings layer can be turned off to reveal the terrain only.  You should be able to then load a .kmz 3D model made in Sketchup and view that in Google Earth.

Hope that helps. :)

Cheers,

    - CraigD


On Wednesday, July 4, 2012 3:28:00 PM UTC-6, StrayKatStudio wrote:
"Not being able to do interiors, because the buildings will (might?) be treated as terrain, so the camera will of course collide."

4thRock, I'm also concerned about this.  For future Real Estate applications, it's ideal to be able to go inside, but from what I gather, it sounds like the GE API will still be able to support the current mode of operations, if nothing else.  And hopefully when the new Meshy GE cities come to the desktop GE, there will still be an alternate Terrain/Model GE view so that we can still email GE files and not have them run into terrain-mesh buildings.  Craig, any input on if I have this right?  My predictions are generally too idealistic.
Re: The Next Dimension of Google Maps - Official Post Google Craig 7/9/12 9:23 AM
Hi Ryan, the "thread starter" took a few days off for the July 4th holiday. :)  I spent some quality time teaching rabbits to ride horses that were driving cars. ;)

More seriously... I know this news of a technology shift in 3D cities for Google Earth is disappointing to many modelers, and I can appreciate that changes are often met with cynicism and doubt, but we have to take steps in unpopular directions sometimes to make true advances.  There is simply no way to make everyone happy in this situation, but it is the beginning of a new way to create accurate, consistent and cohesive 3D cities that will benefit many people.  It may also seem like a direction towards lower quality, but, to use the horse-to-car analogy from the above thread, a model-T or Stanley Steamer car was the beginning of the technology change and today a Tesla Roadster or Bugatti Veyron makes riding the fastest horse seem about as useful as a rabbit with a saddle (probably the most bizarre analogy I've ever made, but I hope you'll get my point.. :).

I've covered a lot in this thread, and I'm happy to revisit what I can if you have specific questions.

Cheers,

    - CraigD
Re: The Next Dimension of Google Maps - Official Post amfdvx 7/9/12 10:30 AM
So, what can we expect? That all the 3D models of a city chosen to be canceled at the hour X?
I hope not.
Give us time to absorb change, or allow us to refine (or integrate) our models with your air processing.

Alessandro M Fusco
Re: The Next Dimension of Google Maps - Official Post Ryan Rice 7/9/12 10:40 AM
I have an extremely easy way for you guys to make everyone happy. You  have to find a way to integrate your new auto-generated models in with the hand made much higher quality models. It has to be possible. You should absolutely move forward with the auto-generated models but you should not replace higher quality hand made models. If you can remove sections of your auto-gen 3d cities and still display the hand made models you will have the best of both worlds. If Google is so great and advanced you have to be able to figure out how to do this.

There are people out there that make their living off of creating these high quality models for GE and they provide them to Google for free. This is what has made GE such a great product. You really need to find a way to not abandon this group of people.
Re: The Next Dimension of Google Maps - Official Post Ryan Rice 7/9/12 10:45 AM
In response to your analogy...
When companies started manufacturing cars they didn't come in and kill all the horses, and say, "you have to use a car." Horses were still allowed to be used as transportation and over time as cars became more reliable people started adopting them by their own choice and not by force.


On Monday, July 9, 2012 12:23:08 PM UTC-4, CraigD - Google wrote:
Re: The Next Dimension of Google Maps - Official Post Google Craig 7/9/12 10:54 AM
Hi Ryan, as I've stated previously in this thread, we have no plans to have both the existing and the new 3D Buildings layer available for cities that use the new 3D imagery technology, but the Google Earth API will exist as it currently does for business to display and host their services.  Also, users will be able to turn off the 3D Buildings layer which will display the terrain and enable users to load .kmz models onto the terrain as is possible currently.

In this way, the current 3D Buildings will be displayable either via the API or by loading .kmz models.

I understand your frustration at this, but we had to make some decisions that will have an impact on the current 3D solution and to modelers in those regions. 

    - CraigD
Re: The Next Dimension of Google Maps - Official Post alandpatrik 7/9/12 11:11 AM
Hi,

Now this is understandable and will not be a big issue to me if I and every other serious geomodeler could get access to the algorithm that generates the current 3d Buildings layer. As I have asked before (and still havent recieved any response), there seems to be no way (or is there? any help or feedback would be appreciated!!) to generalize 3d-models in a simple hassle-freefashion to a state in which they are rendered currently in the 3d-buildings layer.  I have tried using KML regions to no avail, there just is no chance to render any more than a few KMZ models in a single API session without crashing everything due to excessive memory use.

An answer to this question (and of course a decent DEM for the regular terrain layer) would be all that I ever request from Google.

/Patrik

Den måndagen den 9:e juli 2012 kl. 20:54:22 UTC+3 skrev CraigD - Google:
Re: The Next Dimension of Google Maps - Official Post Google Craig 7/9/12 11:51 AM
Hi alandpatrik,

We won't be offering what you describe, however your best solution is going to be to use the Google Earth API to host your own 3D buildings layer which you can modify to meed your needs.


I hope that helps.

Cheers,

    - CraigD
Re: The Next Dimension of Google Maps - Official Post Ryan Rice 7/9/12 1:09 PM
I don't think you are following what I am trying to say. There are people out there that make a living charging companies to model their buildings to be available to the masses in GE. Companies aren't going to pay someone to model their building to only be viewable by certain people. I am not one of those that makes money off of my modeling, but I know a lot of people do and Google is now shutting the door on them. This is very harsh as these modelers are what have made GE what it is today. The modelers I am talking about aren't going to be able to make models that are only viewable if you view their hosted 3d building layer. They were able to market their skill to businesses because businesses wanted their buildings to be viewable by default to every GE user.

I just don't agree with Google deciding to not combine their auto-gen models along with the high quality custom models. I know I have no voice and nor does anybody else here, so I am sorry for wasting everyone's time.
Re: The Next Dimension of Google Maps - Official Post Randy 7/9/12 11:07 PM
Hey R2,
 
The people who are most likely to sell their models also are most likely to have their own website, online resume, portfolio, etc. Right?  At least that what I think. So there is no reason why they can't copy or move their collection and host it on their own site, or link to the warehouse for that matter so their clients (or anyone) could still view (i.e. Preview) their purchases in Google Earth. Actually, they could view the progress daily to observe the model's progress during construction and provide formative feedback as well. There would be no more waiting for a rejection, then an approval, then the layer update, then start the entire process agian for an update or a tweak. There is a tall glass of lemonaide waiting to be made.
 
In this great interweb of ours, there is more than one way to skin a rabbit, or make glue!
Re: The Next Dimension of Google Maps - Official Post Ricardo Nunes 7/10/12 2:17 AM
Wrong. The clients want exposure and interaction, they want to appear "on the map".
While displaying a model using the API on the client's site is part of any good commercial offer, the deciding factor for a sell is that the building will appear AND BE CLICKABLE in Google Earth, with a link to the client's site.

 I'll stress it again: IT NEEDS TO BE CLICKABLE :-)  !
A client wouldn't mind if the model is auto-generated, provided that you have the link to their site. This is what sells, not the model itself.

Nevertheless, I'll wait and see what comes out of all this. If that kind of interaction is gone from GEarth, certainly other companies will start to offer it. And geo-modeling will then be done on some other platform.
Re: The Next Dimension of Google Maps - Official Post Ryan Rice 7/10/12 5:11 AM
This is completely wrong. This is such a simple concept it kills me that people don't understand it.

Companies don't pay to have their buildings modeled in high quality so they can see them. They already know what their buildings look like and they don't need to advertise to themselves. Companies pay to have their buildings modeled so that every single GE user that views their region will see their building and can click on it and see their company name along with a link to their website. THIS IS A FORM OF ADVERTISING, just like any other form of advertising. Companies aren't going to pay to have their buildings modeled and require users to have to go to a website to download a file to view their building. The companies goal is to get users to their website so if they already get the potential customer to their website they don't care if their building is in GE or not. Their building being in GE is a way to drive business to their website.

Companies that buy an ad on a TV channel are doing so because every single viewer that is watching that channel during that time-slot will see their ad. They wouldn't pay for the ad if the view had to go to another source to download a video to watch their ad.

This is such a simple concept I don't know how else to explain it. It is Advertising 101.

I would guess (I have no facts to base this on, just Google's history) that Google's plan is to cut the modelers out of this form of advertising completely and keep it for themselves. I would think that after Google starts producing these auto-gen models they will then offer companies to pay Google to make their building interactive and click-able. I bet they have seen this money that 3d modeling companies are making modeling buildings for GE and they now want that money for themselves. Again this is speculation. It is really the only logical explanation for them refusing to combine hand-made models along with the auto-gen models.
Re: The Next Dimension of Google Maps - Official Post jasonalwaysready 7/10/12 5:46 AM
you're allowed to use horses, you just cant use them down the middle of the road where the high speed cars go.  people like horses are are nostalgic for them, especially pre teen girls.  but given the choice for modes of transportation, nobody wants to use a horse.  also horses poop a lot.
Re: The Next Dimension of Google Maps - Official Post alandpatrik 7/10/12 6:44 AM
Hi,

I get your point completely, however my worry is not that people wont find the models but rather the fact that georeferenced sketchup models will become useless for the purpose I concider them most fit; illustrating large urban contexts i.e. for planning purposes.

The current 3D buildings layer is to my knowledge the only established platform that can render a large quantity of georeferenced 3d models on a realistic geoid and elevation model. By removing this layer Google gives geomodelers no viable replacement option, basically rendering millions of geomodels useless.

These models I envison as very detailed, potentially consisting of laser scanning data, etc. (Trimble stuff for sure!). Something completely different, and for a different purpose than the Autogen-models.

Therefore I believe my suggestion to give us the ability to render our models effectively, locally, through the API would be a great thing.

Our best bet is whatever Trimble comes up with.

/Patrik

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Re: The Next Dimension of Google Maps - Official Post Keith Lurie 7/10/12 6:56 AM
The value of having your building modeled on a public platform cannot be compared to a private website.  A building with signage on google earth is an advert, worldwide to potentially millions of people.  The fact that it is clickable is also important as the click can link to more detailed information.  Personally, I think Google has lost an opportunity.  Autogenerated mesh buildings are already on Nokia maps, and probably others too.  What Google has is unique, and I dont see that copying the others is going to be better. 
Replacing a potential interactive database of information with one big 3d photo is a huge loss.
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Re: The Next Dimension of Google Maps - Official Post Google Craig 7/10/12 9:42 AM
Hi folks, I completely understand your perspectives on this. I'm a Geo-modeler and have been working in 3D and digital graphics for over 20 years.  I also appreciate Randy's take on looking for new opportunities as the technology changes. 

There's an old saying: "If all you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail."  The perspective of a Geo-modeler is going to be much different than someone who's using Google Earth/Mobile, Google Maps/Mobile, and even more different than the folks who are planning for the future based on long term technology strategies.  What you see today in many user-modeled cities, is a landscape of different colors/materials/photo-textures, different levels of detail/accuracy, different snapshots of time, different lighting/shadows, different placement (floating/sunken/misaligned) and many other inconsistencies.  An individually hand-crafted model, or set of models, is going to have more detail than one that is generated using air-based stereo photogrammetry and LIDAR at this time, that's true.  But the biggest problem has always been that it is extremely difficult to get a group of individuals to follow the same rules of consistency, accuracy, and cohesiveness for a largely populated area.  Second to that is coverage...if it's not interesting to people, folks didn't model it, leaving thousands of building sites blank and creating an incomplete landscape.  We had to find a better way if we are going to lead the technology into the future, or else get left behind.

This isn't about the replacement of an individual hand-crafted model, it's about the future of the technology and creating accurate and consistent information on a much larger scale, for a much wider audience.  

This wasn't a decision we took lightly, and, knowing this would have a potentially negative impact on SketchUp and Building Maker Geo-modelers, we explored many options before deciding how to proceed.  Given the popularity and importance of accurate data on mobile devices, I think folks need to step back and look at the digital mapping landscape in a different way than they're used to.  I know this isn't an easy change to digest but the old method isn't going to work in the long term.  Although it's a big change, this is just the beginning and there are a lot more possibilities for this new technology ahead.  

Thanks,

     - CraigD


Re: The Next Dimension of Google Maps - Official Post Ryan Rice 7/10/12 1:35 PM
Combine the two and you get the best of both worlds. You can also be more picky about what hand-crafted models you accept this way.

Google's refusal to combine auto-gen with hand-crafted models lets me know that Google has found a way to monetize this by cutting out the middleman (the modelers). You may not have even been told, but I will be blown away if Google doesn't start allowing companies to pay them to make their building in the auto-gen 3d model be clickable with info and links to the company. This will happen.

If Google would just be honest and come out and tell all of us hard working modelers that this is about cutting out the middleman it would satisfy me more then them just refusing to combine our models with the auto-gen models.

Thanks for your time and for dealing with me, but this is a very disappointing decision by Google. Google needs to stop acting like it is all or none because we know better. The 2 methods could be combined and we all know it.
Re: The Next Dimension of Google Maps - Official Post Google Craig 7/10/12 2:13 PM
Hi Ryan, you are coming in to this discussion very late, with a lot of ill-formed accusations.  I've covered all of this before, so I encourage you to read through the postings to catch up.  

I've also discussed why we're not planning to publish both 3D streams in the 3D imagery regions and the reason is that there is huge cost to keeping both streams open.  It's not a "refusal", it's a decision.  We've committed to going forward with the new technology, which means resources are used for just that...the new technology.  I realize this is disappointing, and you've made it clear that you think you "know better" or more than anyone else on this forum, including me, but I encourage you to read through my posts.  I've been very honest about all that I can share, and you're way off base.  We have our own airplanes equipped with camera and 3D data capturing equipment to create this data...why would anyone think we'd have companies pay us to make their buildings when we've committed to creating them ourselves?  You've certainly got us all rolling our eyes, I can tell you that. ;) 

Again, I understand you'd be frustrated and disappointed, I've been communicating with a lot of folks with similar feelings, but you're treating this as a personal attack instead of the business decision that it is. 

I'm hoping we can move on to more relevant topics.  The 3D imagery is available for you to use on many mobile devices right now, so you can see the data and the tours in person.

Cheers,

     - CraigD
Re: The Next Dimension of Google Maps - Official Post Keith Lurie 7/10/12 3:08 PM
I don't think Ryan was suggesting that you want companies to pay you to make their buildings, it's the 'clickability' that you can sell, (even per click)  and I am sure Google must have considered the financial implications of this idea.
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Re: The Next Dimension of Google Maps - Official Post Google Craig 7/10/12 3:31 PM
Ahhh, thanks Keith, I see that now. Sneaky line break. :)  I know of no plans for what's described.

Cheers,

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Re: The Next Dimension of Google Maps - Official Post Ryan Rice 7/10/12 5:53 PM
Yes, I am talking about Google charging companies for the clickability of their building not the model itself. If you are going to accuse me of not reading then you need to read my posts too. I am being very clear in my posts.
 
I understand Google is a business and has to make business decisions. That is my point. Google is a business that makes billions and they are an adverstising agency. They make money off of selling adverstising...plain and simple. There is nothing wrong with that. They aren't going to miss an opportunity to monetize something. So, I can assure you that is the main driving force behind their decisions, which is fine. Just be honest about it is all I ask. Google will find a way to sell advertising to companies with their auto-gen models. IT WILL HAPPEN. This is why they are refusing (yes I said it again) to combine auto-gen with hand crafted.
 
This will be my last post on the subject as I know I am driving you crazy. :) And I keep saying the same thing over and over, because you don't seem to follow.
Re: The Next Dimension of Google Maps - Official Post Auquicu 7/10/12 8:26 PM

It's the end of the (3D) world as we know it, 

It's the end of the (3D) world as we know it, 
It's the end of the (3D) world as we know it,
and I feel... fine (?)

Google cant expect Geomodelers to feel happy after they have been, for several years, encouraging people to make 3-D models for their platform, to finally reject our models (or decide to leave that technology behind). It doesn't sound fair, and I feel, as many others, pretty sad and discouraged.  


Re: The Next Dimension of Google Maps - Official Post Keith Lurie 7/11/12 12:31 AM
As far as I can see, they are still encouraging people to make 3d buildings, with no mention that they will soon be tossed out!
I have not seen the issue of autogenerated models mentioned in any of the tutorials etc.  In fact the wikipaedia article on Google earth makes no mention of the issue. (didn't until I fixed it)
If I hadn't joined this forum, I would not know about this.
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Re: The Next Dimension of Google Maps - Official Post Ricardo Nunes 7/11/12 2:29 AM

All this confusion comes from the fact that Google is now mobile centered. The fact is that the desktop version of GEarth is the one we care about.
 I haven't even seen many images / reviews of the new mobile version / 3d terrain, so I guess that few people actually have the hardware to run it.
It's a shame a perfectly good, solid and established software such as GEarth desktop is being dumbed down just because it CAN do more than it's mobile cousin.

At the very least I expect that the 3D warehouse will be accessible as Panoramio photos do now.
Re: The Next Dimension of Google Maps - Official Post Google Craig 7/11/12 10:11 AM
Hi Ryan, my apologies for misreading your post. :)

I do follow you, but what you're saying is not currently the plan, so you're not going to get the answer you want.  There is already a method to find much more information on businesses in Google Earth just by turning on the "Places" layer, clicking on a point of interest and opening the local information in G+ with reviews and directions etc.  It's actually pretty cool and a much better way to get important information about places.

It seems like your focus is based on the reaction of having user created 3D models potentially replaced by auto-generated 3D buildings, which is understandably a disappointment.  I completely empathize with this feeling, as much of my work (and my friends' work) will eventually be replaced as well.  The big picture is that there has been a significant change in the technology that solves the main problems of inconsistent textures/lighting, incomplete coverage, spotty updates, inaccurate terrain (trees, bushes, lakes, landscaping, etc.,) and quicker reactions to global changes.  All of those problems are solved at once with this change in technology.  

As excellent and beautiful as many of the user created 3D models are, we're totally focused on creating a more complete, consistent and coherent 3D map of the world for the people who live in it.  It's our passion too, which is why we took this change seriously.

There will be many improvements to the technology going forward, but coverage will take some time and there are areas that may take an even longer time to get to, so user generated models will still be excellent additions to the map in these areas. 

I understand you're upset by this news, but I hope this information helps.

Cheers,

     - CraigD
Re: The Next Dimension of Google Maps - Official Post Google Craig 7/11/12 10:16 AM
Hi 4throck, the desktop version has not yet been released, so only the mobile version currently is available to view. The hardware requirements discussed have been for mobile devices only.

Google Earth desktop has not been dumbed down for the mobile version at all. The exact opposite is the case, as newer faster multi-core mobile devices can now handle applications that were previously only available on desktop. 

More on this to come! :)

Cheers,

    - CraigD
Re: The Next Dimension of Google Maps - Official Post Google Craig 7/11/12 10:26 AM
Hi Kieth, thanks for stopping by!  As happy as I am that you're coming here for your Google Earth 3D information, here are some very helpful links that can keep you on the cutting edge:


You'll see that we're focusing on areas of large population for the new 3D imagery, but there will be many areas that we wont get to for quite some time (the Earth is a pretty big place!), and those areas will continue to have user contributed 3D buildings published to them. 

Cheers,

    - CraigD
Re: The Next Dimension of Google Maps - Official Post Joshua Joyner 7/19/12 3:49 PM
Hey Craig,

I get this decision totally. While I am disappointed, I do see the great amount of inconsistentsy in user generated models. This new technology is going to look great and will only get better. I am happy however to continue producing models because its fun. The most appealing thing about what sketchup has done has been it has allowed us to participate in the process of making a 3D world showcased to millions of people worldwide. I think that is what we all are most disappointed by in seeing this aspect go. I can only dream that Google will once again find a way to involve its biggest fans. Why else would we spend our off time to play on Google Earth. ;)
A true GE fan,
Josh

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Re: The Next Dimension of Google Maps - Official Post Google Craig 7/20/12 8:28 AM
Hey Josh, I completely appreciate that sentiment, and I personally appreciate the way you said it. :)

I think that I'll also continue to model, and what I'm thinking is that I can find obscure and interesting buildings in places that are unlikely to have auto-gen models in the near future. 

I'll keep everyone as updated as I can about the future of 3D.

Cheers,

     - CraigD
Re: The Next Dimension of Google Maps - Official Post Richard Pedicini 7/20/12 11:47 AM
Google (and I suppose Trimble) for business reasons won't announce locations where they will next make data available.

That puts us in the position of guessing what are
 places that are unlikely to have auto-gen models in the near future

But would it perhaps be possible for Google to announce places where it will *not" be doing autogen models? Providing a safe haven to model without fearing a sudden autogen tsunami?

Wouldn't it be great to read a message here from Craig, assuring that "We'll always have Paris"?

Cheers,
Richard
Re: The Next Dimension of Google Maps - Official Post Joshua Joyner 7/21/12 12:06 AM
Absolutely! If there is anything out there that could push the creativity of the users it would be this. Hopefully more of the smaller communities and places of this world will be modeled as a result. I started a bit late on things so I didn't get the opportunity to model some of the most well known structures of the world but I have found just as much enjoyment modeling things that only the "locals" would care about. I hope my hometown of Texarkana eventually gets this new tech but in the meantime I will keep on modeling so it will have its place in GE. When the time comes to say goodbye to my hard work I shall do it gracefully because all I ever wanted was for it to be visible in the first place. When I was in the army I use to get online and look at satellite imagery of home on GE and just wish it was displayed like some of the bigger cities in the US. I felt closer to home for some reason. Now I have satisfied that but I know I could never fully create the true picture perfect area as its just impossible to do everything. This tech allows that and I couldn't be more excited. Thanks for keeping us informed Craig and I think you've been quite graceful.  Best of luck to all of the staff and I'm sure most of us, though disappointed, know that yall are just as passionate as the rest of us about GE.
Best of luck,
Josh

Re: The Next Dimension of Google Maps - Official Post Craig Carapelho 8/23/12 5:53 PM
 
In referencing the section I have highlighted below in red, does this mean that for those of using the Google Earth API plugin, that our 3D models will all remain intact?     Will the browser plugin contain the new city imagery as well combined with our handcrafted models.  How will this work?   Thank you.
 
 
So what does this mean for the future of 3D in Google Earth?
As mentioned above, there are many areas that will remain unaffected by the initial release of new 3D imagery on Google Earth for mobile, and will continue to display user contributed 3D models. For modelers who would still like to publish SketchUp models for clients, you can create your own instance of Google Earth via the plugin using the
Google Earth API, which enables you to publish 3D content on the web to share with clients or the general public.
 

On Wednesday, June 6, 2012 8:06:05 AM UTC-10, CraigD - Google wrote:
Today, we provided a preview of some changes that are coming to the 3D landscape in Google Earth, starting on mobile devices. Later this summer, we’ll unveil a new way of displaying 3D buildings on Google Earth for mobile, achieved by building complete cityscapes from the 45-degree aerial imagery used in Google Maps and Building Maker.

One of the biggest challenges in showing 3D buildings in Google Earth has been gathering complete 3D coverage to represent the real world seamlessly and consistently. For example, many areas in Google Earth have specific buildings and landmarks in 3D where they are available, but the surrounding area is flattened out and only available in two dimensions.

New imagery rendering and computer vision techniques now allow us to create an accurate and comprehensive 3D representation of entire metropolitan areas. But we recognize this impacts our amazing geo modeling community. In the select areas where it will launch, the 3D Buildings layer on mobile and tablet devices will display only the new automatically generated 3D imagery. Manually modeled 3D buildings from both our users and own team will continue to appear everywhere else, as well as on desktop versions of Google Earth for now. As we expand our ability to provide comprehensive 3D buildings and terrain for entire cities and regions, we know this raises questions for anyone who has modeled for Google Earth.

What is going to happen to the buildings in Google Earth that I’ve modeled?
When we release the new 3D imagery in select regions later this summer, any models you’ve previously created in the areas covered by the new 3D imagery will no longer appear in Google Earth for mobile. Your models will remain available in the 3D Warehouse and continue to inform the 3D models in Google Maps.

What about Building Maker models?
Building Maker is a useful tool irregardless of the eligibility for those models to appear in the 3D Building layer in Google Earth. It's a great way to start a dimensionally accurate, aerially textured model for SketchUp, and useful for creating context models for SketchUp scenes. Building Maker will continue to be available for these purposes.

What about SketchUp models?
In the regions where the new 3D imagery is available, we will no longer publish the 3D Buildings layer in Google Earth for mobile. However, we anticipate that there will be many parts of the globe that will take some time to expand to with this new type of 3D imagery, or never be able to reach at all. In those regions, user contributed models will still be important for providing a complete picture of the 3D landscape. User contributed 3D buildings may also continue to help inform the 3D buildings on Maps.

Why is my model being replaced by something with less geometric detail?
In some cases, the close-up work done by individual modelers may be more detailed than the current model created by the new 3D imagery techniques. Those detailed and beautifully textured models will of course continue to be available in the 3D Warehouse, and we appreciate you letting us share your model in Google Earth to date to provide a representation of the world in three dimensions.

However, using aerial imagery to create 3D models enables us to keep these 3D versions of the world more accurate and up-to-date than is possible with manually created models. In addition, the new 3D buildings and terrain are all generated from the same high resolution aerial imagery, enabling precise alignment of the new models and a seamless 3D experience across an entire area. In an effort to create an accurate, consistent, and more complete 3D representation of the Earth, we are replacing all existing models with the new 3D imagery and will continue working to improve them over time.

WiIl I still be able to submit buildings to Google Earth?
We are thrilled by the commitment shown by users contributing 3D buildings to Google Earth, and hope to continue working with these modelers from all over the world to accurately and realistically represent areas where the new 3D models are not able to be created. We encourage you to submit your models for areas where we have not released new 3D imagery.

How will I know if my models are going to be affected?
We are currently exploring ways to inform you about changes to the places where your model appears.

So what does this mean for the future of 3D in Google Earth?
As mentioned above, there are many areas that will remain unaffected by the initial release of new 3D imagery on Google Earth for mobile, and will continue to display user contributed 3D models. For modelers who would still like to publish SketchUp models for clients, you can create your own instance of Google Earth via the plugin using the Google Earth API, which enables you to publish 3D content on the web to share with clients or the general public.

Our goal remains to create an accurate, consistent and comprehensive 3D representation of the Earth. With 3D imagery in its infancy, we can’t truly see what the future holds; but the one constant in this fast-paced, high-tech world is change, and further improvements are ahead.
 
Re: The Next Dimension of Google Maps - Official Post alandpatrik 8/24/12 12:55 AM
I would like to hear a good answer to this question as well. 
It involves an immense amount of time and work to optimize, regionate and upload models manually to the API If the 3d buildings layer were to be removed. If this will be the case, now would be a good time to communicate when it is going to happen. If it remains, it would be of interest to know for how long this is planned, and if it will be possible to edit existing models and submit new ones in the future.

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Re: The Next Dimension of Google Maps - Official Post pmolsen 8/24/12 7:51 PM
I just had an interesting thought. When the automated modelling hits Orlando Florida, will all of the beautiful Disney models at Disneyworld get replaced, or will the automation stop short of there?
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Re: The Next Dimension of Google Maps - Official Post Craig Carapelho 8/24/12 9:03 PM
Hi Craig D, when you get a chance can you please answer?  Thank you.
 
In referencing the section I have highlighted below in red, does this mean that for those of using the Google Earth API plugin, that our 3D models will all remain intact? Will the browser plugin contain the new city imagery as well combined with our handcrafted models. How will this work? Thank you.
So what does this mean for the future of 3D in Google Earth?
As mentioned above, there are many areas that will remain unaffected by the initial release of new 3D imagery on Google Earth for mobile, and will continue to display user contributed 3D models.     For modelers who would still like to publish SketchUp models for clients, you can create your own instance of Google Earth via the plugin using the
Google Earth API, which enables you to publish 3D content on the web to share with clients or the general public.
 
 
Re: The Next Dimension of Google Maps - Official Post Google Craig 8/27/12 11:00 AM
Hi Craig C, I was out on Friday (and don't work over most weekends) but I'm back, so here are answers for you:

Q:  In referencing the section I have highlighted below in red, does this mean that for those of using the Google Earth API plugin, that our 3D models will all remain intact? 
A: No, the Google Earth API plugin will allow you to include the current 3D Buildings layer (the current 3D Building layer as displayed in Google Earth), which means that the 3D Imagery cities will exist in the Google Earth API plugin if you elect to include that layer (3D Buildings). You can create an "Earth plug-in objects" for which ever GE layers you choose to offer/display using the API plugin. Most people choose Imagery and Terrain to start and then add which ever other layer(s) they choose.  Here are some examples.

Q:  Will the browser plugin contain the new city imagery as well combined with our handcrafted models. How will this work?  
A: No, the API plugin will display the new city imagery (current 3D Buildings layer) only if you select the 3D Buildings layer to display. If you want to have previously created 3D buildings (i.e. SketchUp models) appear as a choice, you'll have to download the models from the 3D Warehouse and create a kmz to display as an Earth plug-in object. You could created multiple cities this way if you so desire.

For more information on the Google Earth plug-in API, please see this link to the FAQ.

I hope that information helps.

Cheers,

     - CraigD
Re: The Next Dimension of Google Maps - Official Post Google Craig 8/27/12 11:02 AM
Hi Peter, as you may know, we do not publish plans for pre-released data, so unfortunately I can't answer that.

    - CraigD
RE: The Next Dimension of Google Maps - Official Post pmolsen 8/27/12 2:20 PM

Hi Craig,

 

Is that FAQ page you linked to below current? It talks about getting an API key but other pages say the key is no longer required.

 

Regards

Peter

 

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Re: The Next Dimension of Google Maps - Official Post Craig Carapelho 8/27/12 2:41 PM
It is what was published by Google to the Next Dimension f Google Maps post so I assumed it was current.   
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RE: The Next Dimension of Google Maps - Official Post pmolsen 8/27/12 2:47 PM

I am also confused about the 3D capabilities of the API V3 versus the old V2. Is it correct that the new V3 API cannot display 3D models as I have read somewhere? If it can do you have an example of code that does so please?

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Re: The Next Dimension of Google Maps - Official Post Craig Carapelho 8/27/12 4:45 PM
I hate to beat a dead horse as everyone else has already expressed this, but as a company who also invested heavily in building hundreds of very high quality 3D models in Hawaii (3dhawaii.com) and Las Vegas, we are also disapointed in Google's new direction.  WE would feel differently if the the new imagery was of a high quality, but from what I have seen, once you zoom in to any degree at all the image quality is very poor.    I personally think a lack of consistency in lighting and shadows in the existing 3D models is way better than what the new imagery provides. Perhaps Google plans to improve its new imagery in other markets and I haven't read that article or update. This would be great.    Our clients (Royal Hawaiian Hotel, Hyatt Regency Waikiki, Aston Waikiki Beach Hotel, Hilton Hawaii, etc.) came to us because they didn't like the quality of the auto-textured models on Google Earth because those models poorly represented their beautiful resorts.  In my opinion, auto-textured seems better than the new imagery.  We created detailed models for those resorts with landscaping, pool details, lobby details, water features, etc.    We all understand that Google has to make business decisions in its best interest, but it is sad that 3D modeling has to take several steps backward when the modeling community has put forth so much effort to advance the quality of the 3D models.  Why not put some effort into a developer version which allows modelers to continue to combine our high quality models with the new imagery.  I would be willing to pay a license fee for it?    Or does this option already exist?   Also, will Google keep the old version of the Google Earth imagery live for the deprecation period, or once the new imagery is loaded for a city, thats it-- all our models go away for good? It would be nice for Google to provide us with a transition period or an option since we all put so much faith in Google and working with its products.
 
All the best,
Craig


On Tue, Aug 28, 2012 at 11:46 AM, Peter Olsen <pe...@peterolsen.com.au> wrote:

I am also confused about the 3D capabilities of the API V3 versus the old V2. Is it correct that the new V3 API cannot display 3D models as I have read somewhere? If it can do you have an example of code that does so please?

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RE: The Next Dimension of Google Maps - Official Post pmolsen 8/28/12 4:10 AM

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Hi Craig C, I was out on Friday (and don't work over most weekends) but I'm back, so here are answers for you:

 

Q:  In referencing the section I have highlighted below in red, does this mean that for those of using the Google Earth API plugin, that our 3D models will all remain intact? 

A: No, the Google Earth API plugin will allow you to include the current 3D Buildings layer (the current 3D Building layer as displayed in Google Earth), which means that the 3D Imagery cities will exist in the Google Earth API plugin if you elect to include that layer (3D Buildings). You can create an "Earth plug-in objects" for which ever GE layers you choose to offer/display using the API plugin. Most people choose Imagery and Terrain to start and then add which ever other layer(s) they choose.  Here are some examples.

 

Q:  Will the browser plugin contain the new city imagery as well combined with our handcrafted models. How will this work?  

A: No, the API plugin will display the new city imagery (current 3D Buildings layer) only if you select the 3D Buildings layer to display. If you want to have previously created 3D buildings (i.e. SketchUp models) appear as a choice, you'll have to download the models from the 3D Warehouse and create a kmz to display as an Earth plug-in object. You could created multiple cities this way if you so desire.

 

For more information on the Google Earth plug-in API, please see this link to the FAQ.

 

I hope that information helps.

 

Cheers,

 

     - CraigD

 


On Friday, August 24, 2012 10:03:11 PM UTC-6, Craig Carapelho wrote:

Hi Craig D, when you get a chance can you please answer?  Thank you.

 

In referencing the section I have highlighted below in red, does this mean that for those of using the Google Earth API plugin, that our 3D models will all remain intact? Will the browser plugin contain the new city imagery as well combined with our handcrafted models. How will this work? Thank you.

So what does this mean for the future of 3D in Google Earth?
As mentioned above, there are many areas that will remain unaffected by the initial release of new 3D imagery on Google Earth for mobile, and will continue to display user contributed 3D models.    For modelers who would still like to publish SketchUp models for clients, you can create your own instance of Google Earth via the plugin using the Google Earth API, which enables you to publish 3D content on the web to share with clients or the general public.

 

 


On Friday, August 24, 2012 4:51:54 PM UTC-10, pmolsen wrote:

I just had an interesting thought. When the automated modelling hits Orlando Florida, will all of the beautiful Disney models at Disneyworld get replaced, or will the automation stop short of there?

28.373604N, 81.548955W and

 

28.411266, 81.584787W

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Re: The Next Dimension of Google Maps - Official Post Google Craig 8/28/12 9:54 AM
Hi Craig C,

I understand your disappointment with this announcement/decision. As much of this has been covered already in this thread, I'll just reiterate that the decision was not taken lightly, and it was decided that the future technology is going to be our main focus. This is the beginning of the development of this new technology, so I would expect quality to increase regularly.

Q:  Why not put some effort into a developer version which allows modelers to continue to combine our high quality models with the new imagery.  I would be willing to pay a license fee for it?    Or does this option already exist? 

A: This is where the Google Earth Plug-In API comes in, although you won't be able to mix new 3D Imagery models with traditional models. The Earth API plug-in will allow you to host a version of the Google Earth plug-in with your client's highly detailed models. You'll also be able to control updates and never have to wait for model acceptance or deal with rejected models, as you would control the content displayed.

Q:   Also, will Google keep the old version of the Google Earth imagery live for the deprecation period, or once the new imagery is loaded for a city, thats it-- all our models go away for good?  

A: I'm assuming that you're asking about 3D buildings and not "imagery" here, because the imagery will exist in the historical imagery slider even when updated. Talking about the 3D Buildings; they will be replaced by 3D Imagery models (or auto-gen/mesh models) in areas of high population, replacing the previous/traditional models. So for those areas with the new 3D Imagery buildings you'll only see those models when toggling the 3D Buildings layer on, and in other areas, the existing 3D SketchUp/Building Maker models will remain in place. New data is going to go live as it is created, but, as policy, we do not publish a schedule. There will be areas that will take some time to get to.

I can appreciate your feelings on this news and wish we had an easier solution. We had to make the decision to take the big step and develop the new technology fully, realizing that is was going to be a difficult transition. And as there's never really a "good" time to do a big tech change, we decided to do it now/June 2012, starting with the new Mobile version of Google Earth. 

Cheers,

    - CraigD
Re: The Next Dimension of Google Maps - Official Post Craig Carapelho 8/28/12 1:01 PM
Thanks for taking the time to respond CraigD.
Re: The Next Dimension of Google Maps - Official Post Ricardo Nunes 8/30/12 4:29 PM
Regarding the GE API, it currently already allows for user models to be hosted, loaded and displayed independently from the Warehouse. But the performance is much lower, so in practice we are limited to one or two models at a time. This will not be a solution for things like 3D Hawaii because the amount of models to load is huge (although I can think of one or two workarounds that might actually work)
But the API camera doesn't know about user loaded models, so no collision detection and all movement is relative to the ground level....

Of course, you could try to program all that from zero (optimized model loader, first person camera, walkable interiors, collisions). 
But a much better solution might be to use something like Unity3D that can manage all that straight out of the box.... 


This is not a rant, criticism or failure to accept change. I'm just pointing out the loss (in my view) of fundamental features to the overall relevance of Google Earth and it's API. 

RE: The Next Dimension of Google Maps - Official Post pmolsen 8/30/12 8:28 PM

Very good point. When a model is in the 3D buildings layer you can place the cursor on it and rotate and the view rotates around the building. When the cursor is on the building the altitude reading down the bottom of the GE screen reads the height of that part of the model.

 

When a model is displayed directly as a SKP or KML that does not happen. If you display a high model such as Christ the Redeemer statue like that for example http://sketchup.google.com/3dwarehouse/details?mid=8f0ba6075e797f2248a0c60ecb66c42  it is virtually impossible to manipulate it or rotate the view. When you look at the model from the side and put the cursor on it and try to rotate, you actually rotate around a point far in the distance, behind the model.

 

It would be nice for Google to recognise some of these limitations, and recognise the cumulative millions of man-hours of mostly unpaid effort that have gone into the existing models, and provide some solutions. There would be no ongoing maintenance required on their part. Once provided they would then be there forever.

 

The main ones are:

 

-          Ability to compress the model before display the same way as it gets compressed at present. ie. reduce textures, reduce geometry etc. Without that display of more than a few models becomes impossible. One thing that happens is the models continually lose their textures and turn white.

-          Ability for Google Earth to recognise the existence of the model for height detection, rotation around the model etc.

-          Any other similar features that are lost when viewing a model separately from the 3D Buildings layer.

 

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Regarding the GE API, it currently already allows for user models to be hosted, loaded and displayed independently from the Warehouse. But the performance is much lower, so in practice we are limited to one or two models at a time. This will not be a solution for things like 3D Hawaii because the amount of models to load is huge (although I can think of one or two workarounds that might actually work)

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Re: The Next Dimension of Google Maps - Official Post AcesHigh 9/6/12 7:56 AM

Hi, do you guys have a timetable of the locations that will have this new 3D tech? Should I expect every city available on BuildingMaker (that is, with multiple angle bird´s view aerial imagery) to be affected? Including Porto Alegre and Brasilia?

Could you please provide the cities that will be affected with a few months of antecipation? Some of us work with clients and they would be happy to pay for a modelling of their buildings only to a few days later see that Google replaced the buildings they paid for, for another model.
Re: The Next Dimension of Google Maps - Official Post Google Craig 9/6/12 8:39 AM
Hello AcesHigh, as a policy we do not publish information about future releases. This has always been the case and will continue in the future.

     - CraigD


On Thursday, September 6, 2012 8:56:08 AM UTC-6, AcesHigh wrote:

Hi, do you guys have a timetable of the locations that will have this new 3D tech? Should I expect every city available on BuildingMaker (that is, with multiple angle bird´s view aerial imagery) to be affected? Including Porto Alegre and Brasilia?

Could you please provide the cities that will be affected with a few months of antecipation? Some of us work with clients and they would be happy to pay for a modelling of their buildings only to a few days later see that Google replaced the buildings they paid for, for another model.
Re: The Next Dimension of Google Maps - Official Post jasonalwaysready 9/20/12 12:06 PM
Just tell me that the new changes will look better than apple ios 6 maps, such as this airport:
Re: The Next Dimension of Google Maps - Official Post matthiasbasler 9/21/12 9:58 AM
Good catch, Jason.
That's a truely hair-rising screenshot. Wonder why the don't build all airports this way... ;-)
But yes, I agree, Hopefully Google can do better.

Matthias Basler
Re: The Next Dimension of Google Maps - Official Post Google Craig 10/31/12 11:55 AM
Hi Folks, I've just announced Google Earth 7 for the desktop, with 3D Imagery cities....and the ability to view legacy 3D Buildings! Read about it HERE!
RE: The Next Dimension of Google Maps - Official Post pmolsen 10/31/12 12:47 PM

You are a genius Craig!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

Now I can start modelling again.

 

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Hi Folks, I've just announced Google Earth 7 for the desktop, with 3D Imagery cities....and the ability to view legacy 3D Buildings! Read about it HERE!

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RE: The Next Dimension of Google Maps - Official Post pmolsen 10/31/12 12:50 PM

…Just one change request. Is it possible to have the new and old 3D buildings formats under Layers instead of Options please? So it is where millions of people are already familiar with. If necessary do it so when one is ticked the other one automatically gets un-ticked.

 

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Hi Folks, I've just announced Google Earth 7 for the desktop, with 3D Imagery cities....and the ability to view legacy 3D Buildings! Read about it HERE!

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Re: The Next Dimension of Google Maps - Official Post Google Craig 10/31/12 2:13 PM
I can look into seeing if there can be a toggle under the "Photorealistic" layer for "Legacy" and "3D Imagery". No promises, but I'll enter the request. :)

Cheers,

     - CraigD
RE: The Next Dimension of Google Maps - Official Post pmolsen 11/6/12 12:49 PM

Hi Craig,

 

Just wondering what will happen with plugin applications that use existing 3D buildings when the new system is implemented for that area please? Will there be a way of activating the user generated content?

 

Eg. http://www.3dgooglemodels.com.au/cockatooisland/

 

Regards

Peter Olsen

 

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Re: The Next Dimension of Google Maps - Official Post Google Craig 11/6/12 1:49 PM
I don't think so Peter. Only if you've created a custom set of data.

    - Craig
Re: The Next Dimension of Google Maps - Official Post Craig Carapelho 11/6/12 3:55 PM
Why wouldnt this option (to show legacy 3D buildings) be available in the plug-in since it is being made available in the GE desktop application?  Why not give long time supporters and developers of Google products the option so we can continue to build applications using the GE Plugin?  Thanks!
Re: The Next Dimension of Google Maps - Official Post alandpatrik 11/7/12 4:21 AM
I hope this wont be the case, as it is currently as follows using the API:

Turning off terrain and 3D buildings on shows the old buildings, turning buildings off and terrain on shows the regular terrain DEM. Both terrain and buildings on shows the new autogen buildings where available. 

It cant be that hard to fix this by adding a third option in an API; terrain+legacy buildings, can it? It would be such a big shame if the user generated models were not to be available in the plugin/api, considering the immense amount of time/work people have spent on creating custom API based services.

Of course it would also be nice if the API got a more major overhaul i.e. making it available to more platforms by using a webGL /html5 based solution (the plugin support in Windows 8: IE10 and Chrome "metro mode" is a big headache!). This would definitely benefit Google as they could make this the standard 3D mapping API solution throughout; tablets, smartphones, etc. I hope Google is working on this...

But of course I would be happy if it could at least stay the way it currently (GE 6.2) is.

/Patrik
Re: The Next Dimension of Google Maps - Official Post Google Craig 11/7/12 9:16 AM
I'll talk to some of the folks on the API team and bounce these ideas off of them. I have no control over the choices made by that team, but will represent your opinions and see if I can get some information. 

Thanks,

    - CraigD
Re: The Next Dimension of Google Maps - Official Post Greg Angevine 11/13/12 12:18 AM
Totally bang on Patrik! Changing the API so that it can't see legacy generated buildings would be truly unfortunate and effectively abandoning hundreds of nascent geo-entrepreneurs.

Note: Craig, as far as I know, there is no feasible way to create a "custom set of data" for large numbers of 3D buildings that performs fast enough to provide a commercial product. That is only a solution Google can provide with the compression inherent in the building layer. Even very humbly textured models will lose their texturing in the webplugin and have major load time waits. I don't think there is any functionality in the Earth Enterprise or Earth Engine world that can serve to replicate the building layer functionality either. Would love to be wrong...


On Wednesday, November 7, 2012 5:21:47 AM UTC-7, alandpatrik wrote:
Re: The Next Dimension of Google Maps - Official Post Craig Carapelho 11/13/12 1:02 AM
Greg, I think you missed the conversation.  According to prior posts, there is apparently (I havent tested it yet) already a way to show legacy 3D buildings in the plug-in where new city imagery exists.  That was what I was referring to.  Google already offers the option to show legacy 3d buildings in the GE desktop application.  We need the same option in the plugin.
Re: The Next Dimension of Google Maps - Official Post Ricardo Nunes 11/13/12 2:22 AM
The API can work as it is. The legacy layer is a dead end. It will go away sooner or latter, so what we need are alternatives.

We need is the ability to use the same infrastructure as the 3D Warehouse and be able to load hundreds of models+terrain, with collisions and clickable, in the API.

KMZ model loading is too slow and not effective. So no, it is not an option for displaying more than one building at a time.

We simply need to be able to load a 3DWarehouse collection into the API as a clickable layer!

Greg, if you can approach the API people with this problem (ability to load a custom complete dataset retaining full functionality) I'd be much appreciated.
From a business point of view, I think I would pay for hosting that data and not having to go through the approval process. As I see it, it's not different than hosting images on Picassa.
Re: The Next Dimension of Google Maps - Official Post Ricardo Nunes 11/13/12 2:24 AM


Terça-feira, 13 de Novembro de 2012 10:22:17 UTC, Ricardo Nunes escreveu:
....Greg, if you can approach the API...

I meant CraigD of course! User names are getting confused on the thread! (Gred, Craid, Craig....) :-)
Re: The Next Dimension of Google Maps - Official Post Google Craig 11/13/12 6:55 AM
NP Ricardo, I knew you meant me. :) I'll be talking with folks this week with regards to the API's ability to display legacy 3D content. If that's the case, then any 3D Building from the 3D Warehouse (that's been accepted to the 3D Buildings layer) should how up without having to have a custom set in the 3D Warehouse.

Now, for having a truly custom set of data right now, usually means one of two things; 1. that you're using the API with additional custom content loading from your site (along with default GE data you're chosen to display), or 2. that you're using Google Earth Pro and serving custom data to others with Pro (like in an organization where other folks with GE Pro can point to a server in Pro and display that custom data.).

Solution 1 can be public facing for anyone with the Plug In in their browser, but solution 2 is for people have to have Pro, or who are display Pro for others to see, such as in a demo.

What Ricardo wants, is a way to do Pro functionality in the Plug In (if I understand your request) using a Collection from 3D Warehouse (like Pro uses a server).

I'll talk to folks about this, but really have no idea if this is feasible.

Cheers,

     - CraigD
RE: The Next Dimension of Google Maps - Official Post pmolsen 11/13/12 12:44 PM

For my part I am just wanting to be able to display existing buildings from the 3D Warehouse. If I display them from my own web site they take forever to load and display untextured every time I move the display.

 

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NP Ricardo, I knew you meant me. :) I'll be talking with folks this week with regards to the API's ability to display legacy 3D content. If that's the case, then any 3D Building from the 3D Warehouse (that's been accepted to the 3D Buildings layer) should how up without having to have a custom set in the 3D Warehouse.

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Re: The Next Dimension of Google Maps - Official Post Google Craig 11/13/12 12:53 PM
So Peter, then GE7 works for you the way you need, yes? I know there are some issues with shading of 3D buildings, but are you seeing anything else that's causing problems?

Thanks,

   - CraigD
RE: The Next Dimension of Google Maps - Official Post pmolsen 11/13/12 7:39 PM

I reported a problem with GE7 on another forum, that you should have seen. Various Cockatoo Island Sydney models were randomly floating about 100m in the air at times.

 

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RE: The Next Dimension of Google Maps - Official Post pmolsen 11/13/12 7:44 PM

I am also seeing something strange with this: http://www.3dgooglemodels.com.au/cockatooisland/  Not sure if it is related to GE7.

 

When I try to zoom in closer the whole display insists on rotating to a top-down view. Sort of the reverse of what happens by default in Google Earth when zooming in vertically.

 

It didn't do that before.

 

 

 

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Re: The Next Dimension of Google Maps - Official Post Ricardo Nunes 11/14/12 2:48 AM
Yes, it's exactly that.
But instead of having to setup your own server, I'd like the API to be able to JUST load a building collection from the existing 3D Warehouse.

The server/pro solution is overkill even for commercial projects, it's really too complicated and expensive "just" to show model on the ground.
Imagine having to setup something like Blogspot+Picassa+Youtube to run a single blog ;-) 



An example:

This is a collection of Lisbon buildings:
http://sketchup.google.com/3dwarehouse/cldetails?mid=3fca2234db4139a85cd7f7a8191657e3&prevstart=0

If I could load this into the API, problem solved. It would be up the users to review and include buildings on the collections (even not approved ones).
The buildings would still continue to be shared with others and nothing would have to change regarding the approval process.

The same solution would enable 3DHawai (and similar sites) to keep working and expand in the future.

I do hope that some solution along this lines is possible.
Thanks for listening!

Terça-feira, 13 de Novembro de 2012 14:55:56 UTC, CraigD - Google escreveu:
Re: The Next Dimension of Google Maps - Official Post Ryan Rice 11/14/12 7:50 AM
So can someone tell me of a city that has some of the auto-gen models? I just installed GE7 and am still seeing all of the legacy models no matter whether I turn the "use 3d imagery (disable to use legacy 3d building)" on or off in the options dialog. Is GE7 smart enough to know to automatically display legacy models if there are no auto-gen models for a specific area?

I would just like some details on how this works. I am have been unable to find any locations that appear to be using the auto-gen models.
Re: The Next Dimension of Google Maps - Official Post Ryan Rice 11/14/12 7:54 AM
I just found that it looks like San Francisco is using the auto-gen models. Ouch!!!! they look absolutely awful. They look like a 5 year old was playing with play-doh. Wow!
Re: The Next Dimension of Google Maps - Official Post Richard Pedicini 11/19/12 8:29 AM
Los Angeles as well. I did about a dozen buildings along Hollywood Blvd, and to use a Hollywood meme, "I'm melting. I'm Mellllting"!

Presumably someday, it will look good. I also did street lamps, palm trees and sidewalks for several blocks, and found it contributed enormously to the effect. The gloopy looking trees and building are several steps backward, but maybe someday there will be non-gloopy buildings and trees everywhere.

 - Richard
Re: The Next Dimension of Google Maps - Official Post Google Craig 11/19/12 9:05 AM
"and to use a Hollywood meme, "I'm melting. I'm Mellllting"!"  hahaha! Good one! :)

Well, we're at the beginning of this new technology and we're looking at improvements for many aspects of the final product. One of the benefits is that when we do make improvements, we can update an entire region at once.

     - CraigD
Re: The Next Dimension of Google Maps - Official Post Greg Angevine 11/21/12 12:14 PM
Video here of fading transitions between the old and new building layers along Market Street in San Francisco. There are many scenes where the 3D imagery looks good, especially when working with lighting effects, which are improved because the lighting effect is applied to consistently to all the 3D buildings in a city, which isn't the case with the legacy buildings.

There is an interesting new gradient coloring effect on KML polygons. Some images of that here -> goo.gl/qzKts
Re: The Next Dimension of Google Maps - Official Post JP Hackman 2/11/13 5:07 AM
You're just not smoking high enough quality dope like they are at Google Headquarters to see the benefits of kicking the user made 3D Buildings layer into the trunk (and eventually dumped all together by v8-10 of G.E.).
Re: The Next Dimension of Google Maps - Official Post Ryan Rice 2/11/13 6:13 AM
Yeah it is pretty disappointing decision by Google. Even the Google employees admit it isn't very good and will get better. I don't understand why they don't wait until it is better before they replace beautiful models with playdoh looking models. Usually companies wait to replace something until they have it perfected. It would make sense if there weren't any other models already to go ahead and use it, but that isn't the case.

I guess the rest of us just have higher expectations than Google does.
Re: The Next Dimension of Google Maps - Official Post pmolsen 2/11/13 12:16 PM

Hi Craig,

 Can you please advise whether Google is still looking at incorporating the ability to enable legacy models via the 3D Buildings layer rather than having them hidden in the Options where very few people would think to look.

 Also can you advise the status of legacy models via the API please.

 Regards

Peter Olsen
Re: The Next Dimension of Google Maps - Official Post Craig Carapelho 2/11/13 12:24 PM
Re: The Next Dimension of Google Maps - Official Post Craig Carapelho 2/11/13 12:31 PM
Yes, I am very interested in this response as well.  I have many potential clients such as new resorts and existing resorts that have asked 3D Travel to build high quality models for them for marketing and sales presentation purposes.  Right now, I am not in a position to build models because I dont know how long they will be up on Google Earth and/or if we will have the ability to publish them via the API-plugin for our clients use in the future.  It's a difficult position to be in to turn down these great opportunities, but I cant in good conscience sell a 3D building to a client that might not be publishable on Google Earth tomorrow.   We also have many existing clients in Las Vegas and other destinations who are wondering if there will be a solution provided by Google to allow us to continue to showcase their "high quality" 3D buildings via the API-plugin-- it doesnt necessarily have to be on Google Earth, but clients want to feature their higher quality buildings on their own sites via the plug-in.    And, we are not talking about streaming buildings from our own servers because we already know that without Google's compression techniques, our own hosted 3D buildings do not load efficiently enough to make this a viable solution.     

If any of you know of an existing solution to these issues, then please share your thoughts. 
 
Craig
 

On Monday, February 11, 2013 10:16:46 AM UTC-10, pmolsen wrote:
Re: The Next Dimension of Google Maps - Official Post Craig Carapelho 2/23/13 3:36 PM
 

Hi Craig,

Can you please advise whether Google is still looking at incorporating the ability to enable legacy models via the 3D Buildings layer rather than having them hidden in the Options where very few people would think to look.

Also can you advise the status of legacy models via the API please.

Regards

Peter Olsen
Re: The Next Dimension of Google Maps - Official Post Ricardo Nunes 2/26/13 2:37 AM
I second the previous question in regard to the API.

The ability to load selected/approved models from the 3DWarehouse (with the performance we are used to) into the API is really important for business/serious projects.


Also, I see that the list of building maker cities is expanding. Does this have anything to with GoogleMaps, specially the mobile version with gray 3D buildings?
Or is it just to help geo-reference/register the areal photos from which the auto 3d is generated?

Re: The Next Dimension of Google Maps - Official Post Google Craig 3/4/13 4:06 PM
Hi guys, 

Unfortunately, the Google Earth API is based on Google Earth, and so it's not able to change the settings independent of Google Earth's 3D settings.
Re: The Next Dimension of Google Maps - Official Post Google Craig 3/4/13 4:08 PM
Hi Peter, no, we're not looking at incorporating the ability to enable legacy models outside of their current location in Options.

Best,

    - Craig
Re: The Next Dimension of Google Maps - Official Post Keith Garry Boyce 3/12/13 4:41 AM
I think a compromise that would work for everyone would be if Google Earth could be upgraded to allow us to hide a square area of the new 3D landscape versus all or nothing.

We'd then have the capability to use the existing models in google earth if we so desire on a user by user basis. I think the best way for this to work would be that the area of 3D buildings to hide could be specified in the kml associated with the model and then if we enable that model in google earth the associated 3d area specified would be hidden, the model would be positioned where it was before and other google earth users would be unaffected.

The way it is now where if you have a model you want to be in google earth and there is existing terrain in it's place it's impossible to hide a building with the right click and that's the most glaringly missing functionality.

Is this something that can be done easily?
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Re: The Next Dimension of Google Maps - Official Post Google Craig 3/12/13 8:03 AM
Hi Keith, thanks for the idea. I wish it was possible, but unfortunately it's not. The servers are different, so it's either/or. It would be like hiding a portion of the Weather layer, to show a portion of Roads. Even though the legacy 3D is shown in areas where there isn't 3D Imagery yet, it's just not set up to have portions cut out based on a user setting. 
Re: The Next Dimension of Google Maps - Official Post Keith Garry Boyce 3/12/13 9:00 AM
Can it become a feature request? Seems like server wouldn't have to do anything different the cutting out can happen on the client no?
Re: The Next Dimension of Google Maps - Official Post Google Craig 3/12/13 9:43 AM
Well, something like you're describing would not be just a client side change, so unfortunately it's not really possible. Requests to support legacy 3D are not really getting priority at this time. 

The only option available is to turn on 3D Legacy layer. 

Just to fully understand, are you asking for the ability to keep 3D Imagery buildings while incorporating 3D Legacy buildings?


On Tuesday, March 12, 2013 10:00:42 AM UTC-6, Keith Garry Boyce wrote:
Can it become a feature request? Seems like server wouldn't have to do anything different the cutting out can happen on the client no?
Re: The Next Dimension of Google Maps - Official Post Keith Garry Boyce 3/12/13 10:49 AM
No actually 3D legacy buildings aren't important to me at all. 3D imagery is fine. Problem is that if I want a model to appear in a space that's occupied by the 3D imagery then i'm currently out of luck since I can no longer turn off the building in it's place. Hence the need to able able to turn off the imagery in it's place.
Re: The Next Dimension of Google Maps - Official Post Ryan Rice 3/12/13 10:55 AM
Sounds like he is asking for legacy 3d terrain. Very valid request. once you guys put the new auto gen 3d buildings in place it is because part of the terrain making it so modelers can no longer model any of those buildings for their own use.
Re: The Next Dimension of Google Maps - Official Post alandpatrik 3/12/13 11:08 AM
A good course of action with the autogen layer would be to classify the underlying point cloud (or thats what I assume there is?). Not only would that make stuff such as Keith suggestion easier to achieve but it would also make it easier to clean up the occasional errors in the mesh and enable toggling of the buildings and terrain separately, as with the legacy layer.

/Patrik
Re: The Next Dimension of Google Maps - Official Post Google Craig 3/12/13 12:08 PM
Sounds like a few things are being discussed here:

1. Turning off individual BUILDINGS in the 3D Imagery.      - That's not possible.

2. Having the Terrain layer remain while having 3D Imagery turned off.      -  It does. They're separate layers.

3. Having the ability to edit 3D Imagery "mesh".      - That's not currently possible as there are no tools available for this.
Re: The Next Dimension of Google Maps - Official Post Keith Garry Boyce 3/12/13 4:14 PM
I'm not asking for legacy 3d terrain. 

I realize that 1. is not possible but rather that being able to hide buildings I want to be able to hide an area in the new 3D mesh. That way it's equivalent to hiding a building client side. This would then allow me to put a model in it's place. This is why if the model could specify the area it want's replacing in the kml then you'd be able to do it with your model anytime. Google would just ignore this setting on the 2 servers that serve up the 3d mesh and the legacy buildings and hence it would only be a client side setting invoked when you have your own model in My Places.

2. I agree that's the way it works

3. What I described for 1. is basically the tool. allowing a new attribute in the kml to allow you to specify the cleared area and a modified client that observes it.
Re: The Next Dimension of Google Maps - Official Post Google Craig 3/12/13 4:39 PM
Hi Keith,

I think we're having a circular argument. :) Turning off the 3D Buildings layer is the only thing you can do, if you want an area to not have 3D Imagery buildings. Otherwise there is no way to do what you're asking...which sounds like you want to hide a building in the 3D Imagery, again which is not possible.
RE: The Next Dimension of Google Maps - Official Post Keith Lurie 3/12/13 7:20 PM

I think that perhaps Google has not realised how much people use their platform to display building proposals.

When I design a new building, I will create a .kmz file which the client can open in Google Earth to view in context.  This will not work with the new 3d building mesh.  They could turn of the 3d imagery, and enable the legacy buildings, but it is a bit complicated to have to go through options rather than layers.

Google seems mostly concerned with creating a 3d photograph of the world, and were just using people to help them without having to pay.  Of course we benefit from having free software (which shouldn’t be used professionally anyway) so where is the benefit?

 

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Re: The Next Dimension of Google Maps - Official Post Craig Carapelho 3/12/13 7:47 PM
My question is, what is the future of the Google Earth API plugin? Will it advance and continue to be suported?  Are there any plans that can be disclosed?
 
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Re: The Next Dimension of Google Maps - Official Post Google Craig 3/12/13 9:50 PM
Hi Keith, I don't understand why you can't have them just load your building KMZ files? They don't need to have the 3D Buildings layer turned on at all, to display your buildings. I'm not sure what I'm missing here, but you can use Google Earth to display your building proposals with out any problems. You can also use the Google Earth API plug in to host your buildings on your website and show your proposals to clients anywhere in the world, and you can include neighboring buildings if they're available in the 3D Warehouse. 
Re: The Next Dimension of Google Maps - Official Post Google Craig 3/12/13 9:54 PM
Hi CraigC, the Google Earth API plug in is an important product, but as I'm sure you're aware, I'm not at liberty to disclose future plans for any of Google's products. 

I hope you understand.
RE: The Next Dimension of Google Maps - Official Post Keith Lurie 3/12/13 11:31 PM

Hi Craig, yes, they can just load the kmz files, but GE default is for the new 3d terrain with buildings, this will clash with the kmz, they can switch if off, but then there are no other buildings around unless they are ‘legacy’ buildings, which of course are going to be less popular as most people will not even know they exist. (unless they are allocated a layer, rather than a tick box hidden in options)

 

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Re: The Next Dimension of Google Maps - Official Post Ryan Rice 3/13/13 5:28 AM
Your #2 statement is very misleading. While you can "turn" the building layer off, when you do this it actually changes the entire terrain and displays the old terrain. So, there is no way to keep the updated terrain and turn off the new auto gen 3d buildings. I am not complaining just clarifying your statement. The way you state #2 it sounds like you are saying you can turn off the new auto gen buildings and keep the new 3d terrain which is not the case.
Re: The Next Dimension of Google Maps - Official Post Google Craig 3/13/13 6:54 AM
Hi Ryan, no intention to mislead you. My point is that the legacy terrain is what you want if you're modeling or including kmz models. You can't download the 3D Imagery terrain with SketchUp, so there's no point displaying it only, for use with 3D buildings made with SketchUp.

I hope that clarifies it.

Thanks,

    - Craig
Re: The Next Dimension of Google Maps - Official Post Keith Garry Boyce 3/13/13 9:56 AM
The use case I had in mind is: I've got a model which is primarily the interior of one condo in a large building. And so I want to look around inside the condo and show what it would look like from the inside. Outside through the windows should be the 3d mesh so you get a feel for the view. Unfortunately since the building is in the same space as my model what happens is they conflict with each other and you see stuff from the 3d mesh. In addition it appears that the mesh kind of pushes my model a bit higher so placeholders no longer are positioned where they should be relative to the model. 

I understand that what I want isn't possible currently so what I'm asking for is a new feature request to enable that use case. Sounds like other people also want the same.
Re: The Next Dimension of Google Maps - Official Post Keith Garry Boyce 3/13/13 3:04 PM
I created an issue for it here https://code.google.com/p/earth-api-samples/issues/detail?id=921

Re: The Next Dimension of Google Maps - Official Post Google Craig 3/13/13 3:31 PM
You may want to change "3d mesh" to the official name of "3D Imagery data", as "3d mesh" has no internal meaning.

Again, the issue is that the API is based off of Google Earth, so it has to be implemented there first, and in the API you can create a server with kmz buildings that you can download for a region and solve the problem, just not with the 3D Imagery data.

It's good that you've entered the issue, I just want to make sure you're aware of the current difficulties of that solution.

Cheers,
  
    - Craig


On Wednesday, March 13, 2013 4:04:07 PM UTC-6, Keith Garry Boyce wrote:
I created an issue for it here https://code.google.com/p/earth-api-samples/issues/detail?id=921

Re: The Next Dimension of Google Maps - Official Post Greg Angevine 3/13/13 8:15 PM
I think the new 3D imagery is major enhancement for Earth. The experimental atmospheric affects interacts with the new 3D imagery very nicely and creates a much higher fidelity environment than the traditional building layer. 

Here's a video that show off lighting effects with the new atmospherics:


Re: The Next Dimension of Google Maps - Official Post Romain Albenque 3/20/13 2:14 AM
Hi Craig, 

I remember in your message concerned the new process to develop 3D cities from 45° aerial imagery and I have a question about ways to inform us about changes to the places where our model appears. Google does it solve it ? Because I have started to develop 3D datas on Rouen, France, and I would to know if Google will develop the city in 3D from the new 45° imagery (updated last summer). Understand me... I will not continue this work and loose my precious time if in few months there will be an update of the 3D map on this region. 

I hope you will know more about it and you can give us more informations. 

Anyway, I will continue Sketchup 3D modeling for Google Earth because for me it is the solution mapping fullest now. And it's a great experience to work on this 3D technologies which offer many ways to promote and communicate about everything. 

Cheers, 

Romain Albenque
CEO
KangaroOz 3D



Le mercredi 6 juin 2012 20:06:05 UTC+2, CraigD - Google a écrit :
Today, we provided a preview of some changes that are coming to the 3D landscape in Google Earth, starting on mobile devices. Later this summer, we’ll unveil a new way of displaying 3D buildings on Google Earth for mobile, achieved by building complete cityscapes from the 45-degree aerial imagery used in Google Maps and Building Maker.

One of the biggest challenges in showing 3D buildings in Google Earth has been gathering complete 3D coverage to represent the real world seamlessly and consistently. For example, many areas in Google Earth have specific buildings and landmarks in 3D where they are available, but the surrounding area is flattened out and only available in two dimensions.

New imagery rendering and computer vision techniques now allow us to create an accurate and comprehensive 3D representation of entire metropolitan areas. But we recognize this impacts our amazing geo modeling community. In the select areas where it will launch, the 3D Buildings layer on mobile and tablet devices will display only the new automatically generated 3D imagery. Manually modeled 3D buildings from both our users and own team will continue to appear everywhere else, as well as on desktop versions of Google Earth for now. As we expand our ability to provide comprehensive 3D buildings and terrain for entire cities and regions, we know this raises questions for anyone who has modeled for Google Earth.

What is going to happen to the buildings in Google Earth that I’ve modeled?
When we release the new 3D imagery in select regions later this summer, any models you’ve previously created in the areas covered by the new 3D imagery will no longer appear in Google Earth for mobile. Your models will remain available in the 3D Warehouse and continue to inform the 3D models in Google Maps.

What about Building Maker models?
Building Maker is a useful tool irregardless of the eligibility for those models to appear in the 3D Building layer in Google Earth. It's a great way to start a dimensionally accurate, aerially textured model for SketchUp, and useful for creating context models for SketchUp scenes. Building Maker will continue to be available for these purposes.

What about SketchUp models?
In the regions where the new 3D imagery is available, we will no longer publish the 3D Buildings layer in Google Earth for mobile. However, we anticipate that there will be many parts of the globe that will take some time to expand to with this new type of 3D imagery, or never be able to reach at all. In those regions, user contributed models will still be important for providing a complete picture of the 3D landscape. User contributed 3D buildings may also continue to help inform the 3D buildings on Maps.

Why is my model being replaced by something with less geometric detail?
In some cases, the close-up work done by individual modelers may be more detailed than the current model created by the new 3D imagery techniques. Those detailed and beautifully textured models will of course continue to be available in the 3D Warehouse, and we appreciate you letting us share your model in Google Earth to date to provide a representation of the world in three dimensions.

However, using aerial imagery to create 3D models enables us to keep these 3D versions of the world more accurate and up-to-date than is possible with manually created models. In addition, the new 3D buildings and terrain are all generated from the same high resolution aerial imagery, enabling precise alignment of the new models and a seamless 3D experience across an entire area. In an effort to create an accurate, consistent, and more complete 3D representation of the Earth, we are replacing all existing models with the new 3D imagery and will continue working to improve them over time.

WiIl I still be able to submit buildings to Google Earth?
We are thrilled by the commitment shown by users contributing 3D buildings to Google Earth, and hope to continue working with these modelers from all over the world to accurately and realistically represent areas where the new 3D models are not able to be created. We encourage you to submit your models for areas where we have not released new 3D imagery.

How will I know if my models are going to be affected?
We are currently exploring ways to inform you about changes to the places where your model appears.

So what does this mean for the future of 3D in Google Earth?
As mentioned above, there are many areas that will remain unaffected by the initial release of new 3D imagery on Google Earth for mobile, and will continue to display user contributed 3D models. For modelers who would still like to publish SketchUp models for clients, you can create your own instance of Google Earth via the plugin using the Google Earth API, which enables you to publish 3D content on the web to share with clients or the general public.

Our goal remains to create an accurate, consistent and comprehensive 3D representation of the Earth. With 3D imagery in its infancy, we can’t truly see what the future holds; but the one constant in this fast-paced, high-tech world is change, and further improvements are ahead.
 
Re: The Next Dimension of Google Maps - Official Post Google Craig 3/20/13 9:36 AM
Hi Romain, 

the 3D Imagery (stereophotogrammetry) process can actually use different imagery than the 45° Google Maps imagery. As you may also know, it's Google's policy not to pre-announce coverage for this type of data. With that said, since the city has been flown for 45°, there's a fairly good chance that it will be flown for the 3D Imagery in the future. I just don't know when.

I know that's probably not very helpful, or the answer that you wanted, but is the best I can do.

Best,

    - Craig
Re: The Next Dimension of Google Maps - Official Post Marco Aurélio Om 7/7/13 7:42 PM
Em quarta-feira, 6 de junho de 2012 15h06min05s UTC-3, Google Craig  escreveu:
> Today, we provided a preview of some changes that are coming to the 3D landscape in Google Earth, starting on mobile devices. Later this summer, we’ll unveil a new way of displaying 3D buildings on Google Earth for mobile, achieved by building complete cityscapes from the 45-degree aerial imagery used in Google Maps and Building Maker.
>
> One of the biggest challenges in showing 3D buildings in Google Earth has been gathering complete 3D coverage to represent the real world seamlessly and consistently. For example, many areas in Google Earth have specific buildings and landmarks in 3D where they are available, but the surrounding area is flattened out and only available in two dimensions.
>
> New imagery rendering and computer vision techniques now allow us to create an accurate and comprehensive 3D representation of entire metropolitan areas. But we recognize this impacts our amazing geo modeling community. In the select areas where it will launch, the 3D Buildings layer on mobile and tablet devices will display only the new automatically generated 3D imagery. Manually modeled 3D buildings from both our users and own team will continue to appear everywhere else, as well as on desktop versions of Google Earth for now. As we expand our ability to provide comprehensive 3D buildings and terrain for entire cities and regions, we know this raises questions for anyone who has modeled for Google Earth.
>
> What is going to happen to the buildings in Google Earth that I’ve modeled?
> When we release the new 3D imagery in select regions later this summer, any models you’ve previously created in the areas covered by the new 3D imagery will no longer appear in Google Earth for mobile. Your models will remain available in the 3D Warehouse and continue to inform the 3D models in Google Maps.
>
> What about Building Maker models?
> Building Maker is a useful tool irregardless of the eligibility for those models to appear in the 3D Building layer in Google Earth. It's a great way to start a dimensionally accurate, aerially textured model for SketchUp, and useful for creating context models for SketchUp scenes. Building Maker will continue to be available for these purposes.
>
> What about SketchUp models?
> In the regions where the new 3D imagery is available, we will no longer publish the 3D Buildings layer in Google Earth for mobile. However, we anticipate that there will be many parts of the globe that will take some time to expand to with this new type of 3D imagery, or never be able to reach at all. In those regions, user contributed models will still be important for providing a complete picture of the 3D landscape. User contributed 3D buildings may also continue to help inform the 3D buildings on Maps.
>
> Why is my model being replaced by something with less geometric detail?
> In some cases, the close-up work done by individual modelers may be more detailed than the current model created by the new 3D imagery techniques. Those detailed and beautifully textured models will of course continue to be available in the 3D Warehouse, and we appreciate you letting us share your model in Google Earth to date to provide a representation of the world in three dimensions.
>
> However, using aerial imagery to create 3D models enables us to keep these 3D versions of the world more accurate and up-to-date than is possible with manually created models. In addition, the new 3D buildings and terrain are all generated from the same high resolution aerial imagery, enabling precise alignment of the new models and a seamless 3D experience across an entire area. In an effort to create an accurate, consistent, and more complete 3D representation of the Earth, we are replacing all existing models with the new 3D imagery and will continue working to improve them over time.
>
> WiIl I still be able to submit buildings to Google Earth?
> We are thrilled by the commitment shown by users contributing 3D buildings to Google Earth, and hope to continue working with these modelers from all over the world to accurately and realistically represent areas where the new 3D models are not able to be created. We encourage you to submit your models for areas where we have not released new 3D imagery.
>
> How will I know if my models are going to be affected?
> We are currently exploring ways to inform you about changes to the places where your model appears.
>
> So what does this mean for the future of 3D in Google Earth?
> As mentioned above, there are many areas that will remain unaffected by the initial release of new 3D imagery on Google Earth for mobile, and will continue to display user contributed 3D models. For modelers who would still like to publish SketchUp models for clients, you can create your own instance of Google Earth via the plugin using the Google Earth API, which enables you to publish 3D content on the web to share with clients or the general public.
>
> Our goal remains to create an accurate, consistent and comprehensive 3D representation of the Earth. With 3D imagery in its infancy, we can’t truly see what the future holds; but the one constant in this fast-paced, high-tech world is change, and further improvements are ahead.



Em quarta-feira, 6 de junho de 2012 15h06min05s UTC-3, Google Craig  escreveu:
> Today, we provided a preview of some changes that are coming to the 3D landscape in Google Earth, starting on mobile devices. Later this summer, we’ll unveil a new way of displaying 3D buildings on Google Earth for mobile, achieved by building complete cityscapes from the 45-degree aerial imagery used in Google Maps and Building Maker.
>
> One of the biggest challenges in showing 3D buildings in Google Earth has been gathering complete 3D coverage to represent the real world seamlessly and consistently. For example, many areas in Google Earth have specific buildings and landmarks in 3D where they are available, but the surrounding area is flattened out and only available in two dimensions.
>
> New imagery rendering and computer vision techniques now allow us to create an accurate and comprehensive 3D representation of entire metropolitan areas. But we recognize this impacts our amazing geo modeling community. In the select areas where it will launch, the 3D Buildings layer on mobile and tablet devices will display only the new automatically generated 3D imagery. Manually modeled 3D buildings from both our users and own team will continue to appear everywhere else, as well as on desktop versions of Google Earth for now. As we expand our ability to provide comprehensive 3D buildings and terrain for entire cities and regions, we know this raises questions for anyone who has modeled for Google Earth.
>
> What is going to happen to the buildings in Google Earth that I’ve modeled?
> When we release the new 3D imagery in select regions later this summer, any models you’ve previously created in the areas covered by the new 3D imagery will no longer appear in Google Earth for mobile. Your models will remain available in the 3D Warehouse and continue to inform the 3D models in Google Maps.
>
> What about Building Maker models?
> Building Maker is a useful tool irregardless of the eligibility for those models to appear in the 3D Building layer in Google Earth. It's a great way to start a dimensionally accurate, aerially textured model for SketchUp, and useful for creating context models for SketchUp scenes. Building Maker will continue to be available for these purposes.
>
> What about SketchUp models?
> In the regions where the new 3D imagery is available, we will no longer publish the 3D Buildings layer in Google Earth for mobile. However, we anticipate that there will be many parts of the globe that will take some time to expand to with this new type of 3D imagery, or never be able to reach at all. In those regions, user contributed models will still be important for providing a complete picture of the 3D landscape. User contributed 3D buildings may also continue to help inform the 3D buildings on Maps.
>
> Why is my model being replaced by something with less geometric detail?
> In some cases, the close-up work done by individual modelers may be more detailed than the current model created by the new 3D imagery techniques. Those detailed and beautifully textured models will of course continue to be available in the 3D Warehouse, and we appreciate you letting us share your model in Google Earth to date to provide a representation of the world in three dimensions.
>
> However, using aerial imagery to create 3D models enables us to keep these 3D versions of the world more accurate and up-to-date than is possible with manually created models. In addition, the new 3D buildings and terrain are all generated from the same high resolution aerial imagery, enabling precise alignment of the new models and a seamless 3D experience across an entire area. In an effort to create an accurate, consistent, and more complete 3D representation of the Earth, we are replacing all existing models with the new 3D imagery and will continue working to improve them over time.
>
> WiIl I still be able to submit buildings to Google Earth?
> We are thrilled by the commitment shown by users contributing 3D buildings to Google Earth, and hope to continue working with these modelers from all over the world to accurately and realistically represent areas where the new 3D models are not able to be created. We encourage you to submit your models for areas where we have not released new 3D imagery.
>
> How will I know if my models are going to be affected?
> We are currently exploring ways to inform you about changes to the places where your model appears.
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> So what does this mean for the future of 3D in Google Earth?
> As mentioned above, there are many areas that will remain unaffected by the initial release of new 3D imagery on Google Earth for mobile, and will continue to display user contributed 3D models. For modelers who would still like to publish SketchUp models for clients, you can create your own instance of Google Earth via the plugin using the Google Earth API, which enables you to publish 3D content on the web to share with clients or the general public.
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> Our goal remains to create an accurate, consistent and comprehensive 3D representation of the Earth. With 3D imagery in its infancy, we can’t truly see what the future holds; but the one constant in this fast-paced, high-tech world is change, and further improvements are ahead.

Olá, não sei se já perguntaram, más há como saber se Rio de Janeiro substituirá os modelos 3D pela nova ferramenta móvel do Google maps?
Re: The Next Dimension of Google Maps - Official Post Richard Pedicini 7/9/13 6:14 PM

On Sunday, July 7, 2013 11:42:53 PM UTC-3, Marco Aurélio Om wrote:

Olá, não sei se já perguntaram, más há como saber se Rio de Janeiro substituirá os modelos 3D pela nova ferramenta móvel do Google maps?

Responderem que: Google tem uma política de não anunciar antes quando isso acontecerá.

Abs,
Richard
Re: The Next Dimension of Google Maps - Official Post Mike S 7/28/13 7:38 AM
Very late addition to a long and interesting thread. I was just  walking up the Mississippi in GE and was "disturbed" by buildings in Dubuque. This was my first time really "getting" the new mesh. I Googled and found this thread. I've created several building in GE (mikethebuilder ) and was really disappointed reading the beginning of this thread. Then I jumped to the end and found that I can turn off the new mesh and still see the work of the modeling community. I'm happy again. I can really really understand the desire and see the benefit of the new mesh. I'll be very cool when it looks as good as what the modeling community has done.

In this space the machines are not (currently) as good as the humans. And so I'll keep modeling.


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