| OMAP5 Community Board Wishlist | David Anders | 02/08/12 17:10 | Greetings All, if you have a wishlist and/or things you wanted changed on the next generation OMAP5 community development board, now is the time to provide them! Dave |
| Re: [pandaboard] OMAP5 Community Board Wishlist | Robert Nelson | 03/08/12 07:25 | Looking at the specs of the omap543x's, how about Panda like, but with
sata and an upgrade to the LSR TiWi5 module... Of course, if the DRAM prices have fallen enough, 2GB of ram would be nice too. ;) Regards, -- Robert Nelson http://www.rcn-ee.com/ |
| Re: OMAP5 Community Board Wishlist | Lioric | 03/08/12 08:46 | > > if you have a wishlist and/or things you wanted changed on the nextExpansion (and LCD) headers already in place (even if it costs a little more) MicroSD or at least the SD more contained within the board Instead of a switch for the boot order, a switch to select the external wifi antenna (or another switch if the one for the boot order is really used) Remove the DB-9 serial port and instead put just a 10 pin header (that will make it easier to place the debugger serial port in enclosures, with a ribbon cable) All of this is from a hobby perspective of course, so probably is not in line with what you need. Anyway I was thinking on something as the direction of the Exynos4412 Quad-core board (for $129) is heading to (form-wise) Lioric On Aug 3, 9:25 am, Robert Nelson <robertcnel...@gmail.com> wrote: |
| Re: [pandaboard] Re: OMAP5 Community Board Wishlist | Robert Nelson | 03/08/12 09:08 | On Fri, Aug 3, 2012 at 10:46 AM, Lioric <lioric...@gmail.com> wrote:Sadly this brings back memories of the all the RMA's we had on the Classic Beagle, as users would connect an incorrect header and think the board was bad, when in reality it was perfectly fine... Switching to a low profile usb-serial would be a better option, and wouldn't take up as much room... |
| Re: [pandaboard] Re: OMAP5 Community Board Wishlist | Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller | 03/08/12 09:11 | My suggestions based on PandaBoard ES Rev B1:
++ +/- I am indifferent I prefer to have both. Hm. The OTG-USB is also nearby and defines one edge of the enclosure. What I would heavily suggest is to make it as flat as possible. I.e. don't use vertically stacked 3.5mm and USB/RJ45 combination sockets. ++ ++ |
| Re: [pandaboard] Re: OMAP5 Community Board Wishlist | Måns | 07/08/12 10:15 | adco...@gmail.com writes:
> Please don't ditch the DB9 connector, unless you intend to ship a > header->DB9 ribbon setup with the board to compensate. I hate having > to source extra parts just to get a board running the first time. As long as there is _some_ raw RS232 available, I don't care what connector it has. Just *please* no serial over USB. -- Måns Rullgård ma...@mansr.com |
| Re: OMAP5 Community Board Wishlist | Victor Yankee | 07/08/12 13:29 | shorter and smaller, more easily embedded. |
| Re: [pandaboard] Re: OMAP5 Community Board Wishlist | Joaquin Castellanos | 07/08/12 15:14 | If you could include a camera expansion connector with support for dual camera sensors similarly to blaze systems will be also great. In that case we could try some 3D image processing. Best regards Joaquin |
| Re: OMAP5 Community Board Wishlist | Christopher Friedt | 07/08/12 16:55 | I'll echo the same things that most others are saying - SATA connector either on board or via expansion, lots of ram, please keep either raw rs232 pinouts / connector, and either a jumper or switch for boot select.
In terms of sw arch, it would be nice if the "ducati" firmware side was a little more transparent wrt the kernel interface though... kind of like what was done with the galaxy nexus and openmax... just my 2¢ The muscle in this chip is unreal compared to the omap parts from only 6 years ago ;-) |
| Re: OMAP5 Community Board Wishlist | haunma | 07/08/12 17:32 | On Tuesday, August 7, 2012 4:55:58 PM UTC-7, Christopher Friedt wrote:please keep either raw rs232 pinouts / connector, and either a jumper or switch for boot select. I'm curious, now that at least three people chimed in for "keep the rs232": Why? What is it about serial over USB that's so problematic? Many of you don't even *own* a PC with an old-fashioned serial port, and are presumably using USB<->serial cables. Why not put that chip on the board so you don't need the special cable? Is this a Windows vs Linux thing? Speaking of old fashioned, does anyone know why google groups is setup to encourage top posting, complete with extra blank lines and the cursor positioned above the quoted text? Does this mean it's now truly hopeless, and the forces of good^H^H^H^H interspersed-quote-and-reply have finally been vanquished? :) Whew, time to go home and chase the kids off my lawn... |
| Re: [pandaboard] OMAP5 Community Board Wishlist | Vladimir Pantelic | 07/08/12 18:35 | - lots of memory
- SATA port - USB3.0 OTG - serial debug over FTDI (USB powered) real serial on header if needed (and micro USB, not that dreadful mini) - boot order switch - more LEDs on board, blinking leds have such high value to show stuff to people |
| Re: [pandaboard] Re: OMAP5 Community Board Wishlist | Måns | 07/08/12 19:15 | haunma <hau...@keteu.org> writes:USB, mainly. It is especially annoying when the entire board is powered through this connector as is the case on the Beaglebone. On such boards, catching the first few things printed to the serial console is almost impossible since you can't start the terminal emulator before connecting the board. Even when the "serial port" does not power the board, it is far more prone to failure than a raw RS232 port. When debugging early boot problems (or any problem for that matter), a flaky console is the last thing you want. With a separate converter, you can buy ones that work well. With the converter onboard, you're stuck with whatever crap the manufacturer decided was cheap enough to use. The FTDI chips popular as onboard converters are extra annoying for a number of reasons. For example, they often have customised USB product IDs, so stock drivers won't recognise them. The beagleboard list archives are full of questions from people struggling to even get the serial port recognised by their system, be it Linux, Mac, or Windows. For the record, I have more machines with real serial ports than without. -- Måns Rullgård ma...@mansr.com |
| Re: [pandaboard] OMAP5 Community Board Wishlist | Måns | 07/08/12 19:15 | Vladimir Pantelic <vlad...@gmail.com> writes:It *is* needed. -- Måns Rullgård ma...@mansr.com |
| Re: [pandaboard] OMAP5 Community Board Wishlist | Tom Mitchell | 08/08/12 01:02 | On Thu, Aug 2, 2012 at 5:10 PM, David Anders <dande...@gmail.com> wrote:Greetings All, I think the wish list needs to start with the OMAP5 differences. Two things stand out to me... Memory and the SATA link. So more memory and expose the SATA link please. USB -- I see one USB3 OTG and three USB2 host links so there should be no need for hubs. There is a power out concern for four devices. Ethernet.... 10/100 is fine but a pair of 10/100/1000 links would be cool. Power.... I think that power from a micro USB is proving less than ideal. Tablets and friends are driving USB wall warts with enough power but too many users do not read the fine print and use a 0.small watt when a +1.0 watt wart is called for (slight exaggeration) but just go for a 5VDC input or perhaps a 12VDC automotive battery safe power option. SATA can be powered or not... SATA could decide power input solid state SATA devices are quick. SDmemory... switch to microSD and save some edge space. A removable boot device that is easy to load is a good thing. Two developer markets. Phone and tablet. My preference is for the bigger hardware that a tablet would represent. 4GB of RAM is on the horizon so look hard at 4GB of RAM. It might be nice to add a logic latch so the phone developer can hard disable external chips/devices that clutter his goals. Video out: HDMI is nice but the chip supports more. Cameras in golly up to four... I have no idea how to expose all these on a small inexpensive card. WiFi and Bluetooth yes please. Better documentation would help folk discover how to connect an antenna. And full clock speed of 2GHz too. -- T o m M i t c h e l l |
| RE: [pandaboard] OMAP5 Community Board Wishlist | VJ | 08/08/12 02:08 | I captured the input so far, is it as below. Please keep the top list growing and as is and have your discussions below the list. Around 15 members gave input, would like input from all. Please give input on all aspects of Panda to help us improve. I will segregate it into OMAP5 wish-list, wiki wishlist, community wish-list etc etc – have more categories:
- Upgrade to LSR TiWi5 module - Expansion and LCD headers – even if they cost more - Instead of or along with switch for boot-loader have a switch to select the external wifi antenna - Remove DB-9 serial port and instead just put a 10-pin header (easier in enclosures with ribbon cable) o Switch to low profile usb-serial would be better option o Make it as flat as possible – don’t use vertically stacked 3.5 mm and USB/RJ45 combination sockets o Please don’t ditch DB9 connector – hate to source extra parts just to get the board running first time o Have some _raw_ RS232 available – don’t care what connector it has - \ - Include camera expansion connector with support for dual camera sensor – can try some 3D image processing - Have the board either 100% open or fully supported, don’t give answers like “not available or license restrictions” - Would be nice if “ducati” was more transparent wrt kernel interface – like what galaxy nexus and openmax did - More LED’s – blinking LED have high value to show off! - Expose SATA Link - 1 USB3 OTG and three USB2 host links – so that no need for USB hub - Ethernet 10/100 is fine but a pair of 10/100/1000 links desirable - 12VDC automotive battery safe power option - microSD – have ability for removable boot device - 4GB of RAM if not at least 2GB - logic latch so the phone developer can hard disable external chips/devices that clutter his goals - full clock speed of 2GHz - HDMI and whatever other display the chip exposes - Four camera - Wifi and Bluetooth - Better documentation - Shorter and smaller more easily embedded -
Concerns - Power out concern for four USB devices
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| RE: [pandaboard] OMAP5 Community Board Wishlist | VJ | 08/08/12 04:00 | Got few more additions to the list:
Desirable:
- Selectable boot options from Flash or Jumpers o Default USB boot instead of MMC boot
- Flash on Board ( 1 MB , NAND ?? ) o Boot From flash - All Connectors populated ( either expansion connector / standard connector ) o JTAG , Camera, LCD ,USB , SATA , PCIe , HDMI , etc or provision for expansion board which has connections for remaining
o scalable memory if possible
- Container Box with power supply o 110/230 V power supply box which can house panda5 board and bring out required connections out. o This would reduce ESD mis-handling. - ARM-DS5 community edition support continued - BIOS Firmware support o Something similar to Award BIOS on PC/desktops/laptops o Diagnostics/Self Test on Flash instead of using validation image. o splash screen o Ability to Flash BIOS
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| Re: [pandaboard] OMAP5 Community Board Wishlist | Bill Fleming | 08/08/12 04:39 | I would also like a thinner board if possible. You could do away with the combo USB/ethernet and put just the ethernet and maybe just some USB headers. The customer could use USB header adapters to put the ports where they want, or not wire them up at all. (Assuming that headers would save board space/cost) SATA booting would good. I would like to see some embedded display port and/or regular display port on the board. (LCDs have been available for a few months now) Having dual monitor capabilities (or quad) out of the box would be nice too. (no changing resistors, etc) I would like to see the other LCD interfaces kept though, even if it means resistor changing. For instance there are some MIPI WUXGA displays that are under 10 inches, should be able to plug them right into a Pandaboard. In fact I like the idea of plugging 2 or 3 into one. Could make for a good dual screen device. I also like the option of more RAM. With dual channel DDR3 support maybe you could even put 2 desktop RAM slots on the board. 4/8/16GB dual channel kits are cheap now. (16GB for $80 now) Since the new OMAP5 is gunning for the existing PC/laptop space I think we should try to support a good size of RAM. BIOS support and some kind of boot loader would be nice. I don't know if this is supported already on the Panda but there are going to be people that want to dual boot on the OMAP5, especially if they are testing Windows RT and linux. |
| Re: OMAP5 Community Board Wishlist | Lioric | 08/08/12 09:08 | On Aug 8, 6:39 am, Bill Fleming <billflemin...@gmail.com> wrote: > SATA booting would good.
> I also like the option of more RAM. > Since the new OMAP5 is gunning for the existing PC/laptop space I think weSo you basically want a small Desktop PC board? But then why not just buy an EXISTING Pico-ITX board, way more powerful than the Panda, x86 (and probably x86-64 now) system, upgradeable beyond what an embedded board will currently provide, more gpu juice, more memory I think that for this wishlist to be of any sense, first we need to define what is a PandaBoard intended for, and where is it going forward Officially the PandaBoard is: "PandaBoard is intended to be used as a platform for mobile software development and OMAP™ 4 processors are intended for manufacturers of Smartphones and other mobile devices." Actually that is not really clear on what it is for and where it is going (what exactly is mobile software?, does it count for the software that is inside my workstation Core I7 16GB when I travel with it?) So what is the PandaBoard (TI) really targeting for? big manufacturers only, embedded developers, hackers, the next desktop PC based on ARM, just a marketing tool for the OMAP line, hobby, or what exactly? Unless that is clearly defined, there will be a lot of contradicting "wishlists" Lioric |
| Re: OMAP5 Community Board Wishlist | David Anders | 08/08/12 11:36 | Lioric, agreed, TI and PandaBoard.org have failed to clearly state the purpose of PandaBoard and how it is different from BeagleBoard...... Dave |
| Re: OMAP5 Community Board Wishlist | Thomas | 08/08/12 13:45 | Just so it doesn't get lost. As mentioned on IRC. Print some of the core HFAQ on the board/PCB. e.g. "Doesn't boot without properly prepared SD card!" "Don't power over USB" Bonus points for routing some additional balls out to test points, doesn't need to be on headers as the PCB will be crammed anyway. |
| Re: [pandaboard] Re: OMAP5 Community Board Wishlist | Måns | 08/08/12 14:46 | Thomas <dm8...@gmail.com> writes:Bonus point if powering over USB is not possible at all. -- Måns Rullgård ma...@mansr.com |
| Re: [pandaboard] Re: OMAP5 Community Board Wishlist | Tom Mitchell | 08/08/12 17:30 | As for target market. I am a lucky man and have both a Pandaboard and a Raspberry-PI. The Raspberry-Pi has the low budget low hanging fruit covered (pun intended). It is a marvel and very much addresses the goals of a worthy machine placed in the hands of students. Thus, no obvious reason to reach for that bit of the low end market today. The Pandaboard is a much more serious board. More cores, more memory, faster clock... enough to make me want just a bit more. It is constrained on memory so windowing suffers as a desktop. It is constrained on "disk" so SATA would be a win. So reach up and load the PandaNext with as much as the current price point can buy. Knowing how functional the Pandaboard is, an OMAP5 with enough more functionality could justify a 10-15% cost bump. In one of the TI papers they mention that the tablet and phone world will be needing more memory as per TI research. As a phone+tablet dev. platform this could be critical as would a good display connector. Now if TI and friends are feeling rich, please do both price points justice with an OMAP5 upgrade to both. |
| RE: [pandaboard] OMAP5 Community Board Wishlist | VJ | 08/08/12 21:59 |
Got more input from yesterday’s posts to the thread. Tried to capture them all and categorize them.
Some members mentioned message not clear about what Panda is for and where it is going. Agree that we need to get a clear message out and we will do it in the short future.
We want to capture all input. Some members have mobile in mind and give input in that direction. Some others have PC like in mind and give input in that direction. We want to hear the community, capture the input. There is always opportunity for derivative boards if enough community members are leaning towards a segment!
Vikas
Desirable:
Dimensions, connectors and Usability: - Thinner board – possibly do away with combo USB/ Ethernet and just keep Ethernet and some USB headers - Pay thought for cable management since lot of people put the boards in racks
- Lower barrier for full-image test automation o Put programmable power controller on board – this can be exposed over USB or over serial o Perhaps having equivalent of MSP430 on board would be good - Print some HFAQ on board/PCB – i.e. “Don’t power USB”, “Doesn’t boot without properly prepared SD card”
- Better documentation
- Imaging connector that’s in some way compatible with the Leopard imaging modules
- logic latch so the phone developer can hard disable external chips/devices that clutter his goals - full clock speed of 2GHz
Display: - Embedded display port/ o Have dual or quad monitor capability out of the box o Keep LCD interface even if resister changing
- HDMI and whatever other display the chip exposes
Memory - Dual channel DDR3 support o Possibly put 2 desktop RAM slots on board
- Expose SATA Link
Connectivity
- Wifi and Bluetooth
- Ethernet 10/100 is fine but a pair of 10/100/1000 links desirable
Booting, debugging
- BIOS Firmware support
Power - 12VDC automotive battery safe power option
Camera
- Would be nice if “ducati” was more transparent wrt kernel interface – like what galaxy nexus and openmax did - Four camera
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| RE: [pandaboard] OMAP5 Community Board Wishlist | mr_sven | 08/08/12 22:29 | Hi, I would like to have a Place to add a RTC backup battery like on BeagleBoard. In case of a standalone unit it is very helpful. Regards Sven |
| Re: OMAP5 Community Board Wishlist | Alison Chaiken | 08/08/12 23:05 | I love all the ideas everybody has, and agree with most of them of
them, especially making the "why doesn't my Panda boot when I plug in my UltraLaser mouse?" FAQ go away, plus the support for SATA and somehow making console easier. Don't forget though, that all these changes make the board larger and more expensive. What I'd like to see is some of the features that are planned offered as daughter cards as with the Beagle, for example accelerometer, GPS and CAN bus adapter. I'm not sure if the expansion connectors and interface of the board could somehow be redesigned to make it more attractive for companies to offer them or if the Panda ecosystem is simply too small to be attractive to manufacturers. Would it be possible to make Panda's expansion connections compatible with the Beagle XM in the way that chipKIT products accept Arduino accessories? -- Alison Chaiken (650) 279-5600 (cell) {she-devel.com, exerciseforthereader.org} From what I've known of desire, I hold with those who favor fire. |
| Re: [pandaboard] Re: OMAP5 Community Board Wishlist | Dan MacDonald | 08/08/12 23:43 | The next Pandaboard should basically be as powerful as TI can make it whilst avoiding: * Adding any need for cooling devices. Def. the top reason I bought my Panda was that its totally silent yet offers me a decent amount of processing power - this feature needs to stay to retain my interest. * Making the board any bigger than it already is. I'd like the next revision to retain the layout of the Panda /ES as much as poss but I agree about the high rise ports / UART should be optional. * Making it expensive. There are people on here asking for 4GB RAM etc. I won't be buying the next Panda if it costs me 2x or 3x what this model has That my short list of top things to avoid but another has come to me that really nagged me when I first got my board * The test suite should be able to show its test results over DVI/HDMI if your DVI/HDMI port is functional - if you see no results over DVI well you know that parts knackered (if you have tested the cable and screen already) - you'd be able to confirm the video hardware is broken via UART if you have a cable + second machine. On Thu, Aug 9, 2012 at 7:05 AM, Alison Chaiken <alch...@gmail.com> wrote: I love all the ideas everybody has, and agree with most of them of |
| Re: [pandaboard] OMAP5 Community Board Wishlist | Emmanuel Deloget | 10/08/12 07:09 | Some ideas and counter-ideas. Le jeudi 9 août 2012 06:59:26 UTC+2, VJ a écrit :
The most important here is "fully supported". Even if some IP vendors do not want to open their code, TI must make sure that every bit of functionnality is supported by the shipped blobs. For instance, it's not possible (or excessively difficult) to have OpenGL ES and HD video decoding without X on the current Panda (this should not be a prerequisite).
In my personnal experience, I believe this is a bad idea. Boot from flash means that you'll have to put extra effort to design something that will not be brickable - having to buy another PB because the flash is corrupted is harsh, and most people here will not buy a JTAG (even if there are some inexpensive ones). I understand that some people will think that booting from flash is a good thing, but for a development board like the Panda, I think one shall make sure that the board will always boot (and this is not something you can achieve with flash).
There is no need to transform the PB into an ethernet router (not to mention that 2 links means that the board should integrate a switch) but a Gbe link would definitely be a good thing (and even better if it's not a USB-based PHY).
I'm all in favor of keeping the DB9. Any other option is very likely to become a PITA (not to mention that we already have the cables :))
... and to brick the box. I'm not sure that a BIOS would add any value to the box. It's not a PC, and the current bootloader perform well. Similar functionnality can be achieved using a 2 stage bootloader (the first one performs the CPU init, the second one offers a few higher leve functionalities). That would require nvram or something like a serial eeprom (i2c). And that would be a good thing IMHO. But the most important thing are : * keep the hardware simple and inexpensive. If you can lower the price, do it. * support your product - far beyond scenarios that you envisionned. If you cannot provide the source, provide blobs that are not tied to a particular scenarios (or multiple blobs, for different scenarios). There are hackers here and there that really want to do things you didn't think of. And remember that Ubuntu is NOT an embedded platform. best regards, -- Emmanuel |
| Re: [pandaboard] Re: OMAP5 Community Board Wishlist | Tom Mitchell | 10/08/12 11:20 | On Wed, Aug 8, 2012 at 11:43 PM, Dan MacDonald <all...@gmail.com> wrote:The next Pandaboard should basically be as powerful as TI can make it whilst avoiding: Good list.... Of critical importance to me is eliminating the risk of becoming a BRICK so +1 on Dan's comments. Those that want a BIOS can develop and build one then install it on the SD card. A BIOS is just a bootstrap tool one of MANY. For students of computer science this low level stuff is is important to learn. Lack of a fixed BIOS also permits the development of true embedded systems. Thin would be nice but for a development board constrains what can be brought out. I have no problem with the height and know that should I want to build a "thin product" stuffing options would get me to a product as would a slightly different lay out. But without the development platform the task at hand gets more difficult. So this is a good thing. -- T o m M i t c h e l l |
| Re: [pandaboard] Re: OMAP5 Community Board Wishlist | David Anders | 10/08/12 11:31 | just FYI on the "brick" comment. the OMAP3/4/5 all have an on board ROM that basically prevents the system from being "bricked". you can always boot from uart, usb, or sd card. other boot options that are being discussed such as boot from eMMC, and SATA are possible with OMAP5.... Dave |
| Re: [pandaboard] Re: OMAP5 Community Board Wishlist | Tom Mitchell | 10/08/12 17:09 | On Fri, Aug 10, 2012 at 11:31 AM, David Anders <dande...@gmail.com> wrote:Thank you. Good to know the value of the various I/O options. Time for me to dig deeper into the documentation. |
| Re: [pandaboard] OMAP5 Community Board Wishlist | Rob Clark | 11/08/12 07:47 | On Fri, Aug 10, 2012 at 9:09 AM, Emmanuel Deloget <log...@free.fr> wrote:It is certainly a challenge to support every possible permutation of windowing system, application that could use hw video encode/decode, etc. We'd like to be able to support non-X11 environments as well, but well.. some limitation about # of hours in a day and we need to sleep for at least a couple of them :-P Correct me if I'm wrong, but I *think* we have the most comprehensive gpu and video encode/decode support for linux, compared to any of the other community ARM boards. I think snowball and some of the others may include x11+gles but I don't think they have hw video decode. We do try to support as much as possible. And this should improve once we are ready to push wayland/weston support (which we are getting closer to).. weston is using gles without x11, using a combination of kms/gbm and some egl extensions to go between egl-images and buffer objects that you can pass to drmModePageFlip(), etc. An application that wished to bypass X11 could do the same. It is a bit more complex than nullws, but this is out of necessity as it is a lot more powerful (can deal with hotplug, multiple displays, using hw overlays to bypass GPU when appropriate, etc). Obviously it would be much easier for us if we could just give out the src code for the gles stuff.. if someone wanted something that we didn't have time to implement ourselves, well they could always send a patch. Sadly this is not an option. If it was, we would have done it a long time ago. BR, -R |
| Re: [pandaboard] Re: OMAP5 Community Board Wishlist | omap7777 | 12/08/12 08:19 | Yes, I agree the $129 of Exynos-4412 ARM Quad-core board has a good direction. Every developers will love the small form factor, rich (optional/official) interfaces, computing power as well as superior low cost. 2012/8/4 Lioric <lioric...@gmail.com>
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| Re: OMAP5 Community Board Wishlist | rahul | 15/08/12 12:39 | I have two requests, and both are on the software side: 1. Pandaboard provided good Ubuntu support and it would be great to see that continue. Too many other dev boards are focused on Android only. 2. If possible, provide OpenCL drivers for the GPU. thanks, rahul
Greetings All, |
| Re: OMAP5 Community Board Wishlist | TheSmileMan | 15/08/12 19:03 | OpenCL drivers at launch are a must. Getting the drivers for the current board has taken so long. We need to actually be able to access the hardware from the start with solid tools (or even beta tools). Jim
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| Re: OMAP5 Community Board Wishlist | David Anders | 26/08/12 20:28 | with the exception of the SGX GPU, every piece of the OMAP4 has driver support and is open source and fully supported..... Dave On Saturday, August 25, 2012 10:23:15 AM UTC-5, stu....@gmail.com wrote: The OMAP4 is generally very cool, but it was the _nominal_ OpenCL support that really attracted me to it, and the lack of _actual_ OpenCL support that has delayed my developing on it. |
| Re: OMAP5 Community Board Wishlist | Emmanuel Deloget | 29/08/12 05:08 | This will raise the price of the board and is unnecessary for many applications. I, for example, don't want that touchscreen. Farnell lists a capacitive touchscreen at 17,19 € (q >= 500) si I guess adding one of these to the PB will add at least 25-30$ to the price (if not more). On Saturday, August 25, 2012 11:33:45 PM UTC+2, jobe...@gmail.com wrote: +1 for 4.3'' LCD touchscreen already in place. |
| Re: OMAP5 Community Board Wishlist | David Anders | 31/08/12 08:10 | just some clarifications: 1) MIPI is an organization which has a wide range of standards. the LCD panel you linked to is a MIPI DSI panel. 2) OMAP MIPI DSI support has been in the mainline kernel since before the release of the PandaBoard. 3) the PandaBoard-ES has a fully support 4 data lane MIPI DSI expansion header on the bottom of the board. Dave On Thursday, August 30, 2012 9:39:25 AM UTC-5, (unknown) wrote: I'm personally interested in running one of these 8.9" 1920x1200 displays from the OMAP5 dev board. |
| Re: [pandaboard] OMAP5 Community Board Wishlist | Austin Schuh | 31/08/12 15:49 | The two features that I'd really like to see are an ethernet link that doesn't use a USB based PHY, and SATA. SATA is one of the features that has me most excited about the new OMAP5. I forsee owning a couple boards if it supports SATA.
Austin Schuh
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| Re: [pandaboard] Re: OMAP5 Community Board Wishlist | Andy Tai | 02/11/12 21:51 | This may be a dump question, but ARM hardware cannot offer support for PC style RAM slots? Would that allow use of inexpensive RAM chips? For development hardware, or server, is this possible? On Fri, Nov 2, 2012 at 10:03 AM, <mario...@gmail.com> wrote: My qishlist for the next panda is simple just add micro PCI support -- Andy Tai, at...@atai.org, Skype: licheng.tai Year 2012 民國101年 自動的精神力是信仰與覺悟 自動的行為力是勞動與技能 |
| Re: [pandaboard] Re: OMAP5 Community Board Wishlist | Chuck McManis | 03/11/12 17:59 | On Fri, Nov 2, 2012 at 9:51 PM, Andy Tai <at...@atai.org> wrote: This may be a dump question, but ARM hardware cannot offer support for PC style RAM slots? Would that allow use of inexpensive RAM chips? For development hardware, or server, is this possible? Not a dumb question, There isn't anything particularly difficult about adding a JEDEC compliant memory bus to the chip, just that demand has been non-existent. I expect that to change with AMD's Opteron ARM chips which are designed to be used in Servers (rather than embedded devices) so its a design feature that you can have 1, 2 or even 256 GB of RAM on them.
--Chuck
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| Re: OMAP5 Community Board Wishlist | Dawid Ciężarkiewicz | 03/11/12 19:08 | Any information on when such a nice omap5 board would be available? Regards, Dawid |
| Re: [pandaboard] Re: OMAP5 Community Board Wishlist | Ming Lei | 09/11/12 05:32 | Hi,
Samsung A15 based Arndale board is coming now, see below: http://www.arndaleboard.org/wiki/index.php/Main_Page Maybe OMAP5 Community Board can refer to Arndale's spec. Hope it may be released soon, :-) Thanks, -- Ming Lei |
| Re: [pandaboard] Re: OMAP5 Community Board Wishlist | Joaquin Castellanos | 12/11/12 10:33 | Here some (industrial) system-on-module (SoM) based on omap5 that will be available soon. http://www.embedded.rs/products/ti-omap5430-pico-itx-sbc http://www.variscite.com/products/item/96-var-som-om54-omap5432 http://www.phytec.com/products/som/phycore/omap5.html Best Regards Joaquin On Mon, Nov 12, 2012 at 5:47 AM, spych102 <peters...@gmail.com> wrote: I just noticed that the Arndale has a mechanical power switch and the Origen has this too. Very useful. |
| Re: OMAP5 Community Board Wishlist | omap7777 | 30/11/12 18:12 | Even $69 Quad-core dev board...?? http://www.cnx-software.com/2012/11/30/69-odroid-u-89-odroid-u2-exynos-4412-development-boards/
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| Re: [pandaboard] Re: OMAP5 Community Board Wishlist | Nicolas Dechesne | 05/03/13 23:06 | On Tue, Mar 5, 2013 at 8:28 PM, mitzals <pe...@student.chalmers.se> wrote:
> Some of your wishes may have come true. I have stumbled upon an > unidentifiable dev pandaboard recently used by QNX - pause this video from > youtube, after changing the resolution to max. What do you think? oh oh... that sounds familiar to me ;-) |
| Re: [pandaboard] Re: OMAP5 Community Board Wishlist | Michael Cassaniti | 06/03/13 16:25 | That board looks similar to the Arndale board. The reasons why I think it is taken from the Arndale reference are the two USB OTG ports, the SATA port and the camera interface (bottom of picture). I don't know so much about the audio interfaces so I could be wrong. Either that USB header on the right is for USB3.0, or something is weird with their setup. Why else would you connect a USB to Ethernet adapter, yet have Ethernet support via a header on the left side? |
| Re: [pandaboard] Re: OMAP5 Community Board Wishlist | Michael Cassaniti | 07/03/13 17:03 | On Friday, March 8, 2013 3:33:10 AM UTC+11, plug...@p10link.net wrote:
That answers that one then. Modified PandaBoard design with USB to serial and SATA onboard. I did notice the logo, but couldn't make it out because it was upside down. Now that you mentioned PandaBoard it does look familiar. |
| Re: [pandaboard] Re: OMAP5 Community Board Wishlist | Michael Cassaniti | 07/03/13 17:12 | Just watched whole clip (yes I deserve flaming for that). It's a stock PandaBoard earlier on in the clip for sure. What they end up using after around 2 minutes into this clip doesn't look stock, but you may certainly be right on it having the PandaBoard logo. |
| Re: [pandaboard] Re: OMAP5 Community Board Wishlist | David Anders | 11/03/13 14:51 | yes it is an OMAP5432 based board.... |
| Re: [pandaboard] Re: OMAP5 Community Board Wishlist | Tom Mitchell | 11/03/13 16:32 | > yes it is an OMAP5432 based board....That is cool. So far the only omap5 boards I have found are a bit expensive but time will tell if this is the follow up to the panda or someone else's special purpose product. I am very happy with the pandaboard even with the annoyance that the graphics drivers are not open and in the main flow. Folk at Ti have been making progress but it would be cleaner if they were not on an add on distribution. To be fair the ARM universe is a minor tangle. With all the freedom that ARM gives we have seen the development of a number of binary compatible designs and issues. My mental clock tells me that the contractors at Ti working on the OMAP5 follow up to the panda are about to pull the curtain back from their project. ;-) The complexity of these modern systems on a chip has my brain hurting. > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "pandaboard" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to pandaboard+...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. |
| Re: [pandaboard] Re: OMAP5 Community Board Wishlist | David Anders | 12/03/13 21:04 | uh no... |
| Re: [pandaboard] Re: OMAP5 Community Board Wishlist | David Anders | 21/03/13 07:34 | what would have been the omap5 based pandaboard is now available from svtronics by invitation only: https://www.svtronics.com/index.php?route=product/product&product_id=33 |
| Re: [pandaboard] Re: OMAP5 Community Board Wishlist | Nicolas Dechesne | 10/05/13 02:07 |
Hmmm.. i am afraid it might be a little too late! > |
| Re: [pandaboard] Re: OMAP5 Community Board Wishlist | Nicolas Dechesne | 10/05/13 03:41 | No private msg, please. Cc pandaboard group. Le 10 mai 2013 11:18, "Jnaneshwar T" <jnane...@gmail.com> a écrit : OMAP5 panda was cancelled. You should check out the 5432 EVM from svtronics which has lots in common with the never released panda5. However please note that this board is not a pandaboard.org board. See https://www.svtronics.com/index.php?route=product/product&product_id=33 |
| Re: [pandaboard] Re: OMAP5 Community Board Wishlist | J T | 10/05/13 11:17 | Ok. To begin I can start for my development activities on this board. How can I become distributor for the pandaboard & all upcoming new boards ? Do I need to become member for the same? I am aware that it is bit too late. Can I have hope for the same for all upcoming new boards? If so, can you please elaborate procedure to become h/w distributor. Please brief about the business strategy / partnership for the same.
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| Re: [pandaboard] Re: OMAP5 Community Board Wishlist | Tom Mitchell | 10/05/13 21:08 | Since TI canceled their project there is no procedure.
There are no upcoming new boards known to the public and there are no rumors hinting at future products. To the best of my knowledge these people (svtronics) now have rights to make and distribute what might have been the next gen pandaboard board. It would have had its own name and own community. The hardware is just different enough that this group would likely find it a distraction. See https://www.svtronics.com/index.php?route=product/product&product_id=33 Contact them and if you can build your product on top of it work with svtronics. If you wish to modify the design or craft your own design you will have to start talks with TI as well as the other chip vendors the board depends on. For those of us that like to tinker there other options to look at. One is to buy a $250 chromebook and load it with code of your own invention. The chromebox is another hacking target. There are a lot of low cost tablets out there many are very friendly to hacking. So talk to svtronics |
| Re: [pandaboard] Re: OMAP5 Community Board Wishlist | Bill | 12/05/13 05:19 | What makes the SVTronics hardware a distraction? It seems to have about every feature that we asked for within reason. The only things really different are that it has a microSD slot and a USB-TTL instead of a big bulky DB9. (and no Pandaboard logo) The only negative thing I can see is the $330 price of the board. (being 10 layers has something to do with that I'm sure) If you look at the spec document they seem to include the full schematics, and you can also get a copy of the BOM and gerbers apparently. So if you really want to develop on the OMAP5 and don't want to purchase something like a SOMDIMM style pin-limited module, this is what you should buy. However Samsung's Arndale board is $80 cheaper and it has better expansion options. Bill |
| Re: [pandaboard] Re: OMAP5 Community Board Wishlist | David Anders | 23/05/13 16:52 | Bill, the omap5432 uEVM is for all practical purposes the PandaBoard5 minus the logo as you point out. the key difference is that TI no longer subsidizes the cost of the OMAP processor, for the OMAP5432 uEVM you are paying full price..... that is where the cost difference comes from.... Dave |
| Re: OMAP5 Community Board Wishlist | Parvese Muhammed | 13/06/13 08:02 | I thought this may be useful for individual developers who are looking for some discount for OMAP5432 EVM. Please use coupon code " 30OFF5432 " for getting $30 off on OMAP5432EVM when you purchase the boards from www.svtronics.com. you need to create a login to use this coupon |
| Re: OMAP5 Community Board Wishlist | mult...@gmail.com | 19/05/14 02:52 | I must say, this OMAP5432 EVM is labeled as "Pandaboard5" in the official documentation. So yes, that seems to be the latest official Pandaboard available |