Emscripten gains experimental pthreads support!

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Emscripten gains experimental pthreads support! jj 04.06.15 09:21
Hello all,

we've got some really cool news to share! Earlier this week, the pthreads pull request was merged in to Emscripten upstream, which adds support for the POSIX threads API to the Emscripten incoming branch.

The main reason why Emscripten has not had threading support before, is that the current JavaScript Web Worker specification only allows the workers (== pthreads to Emscripten) to communicate by passing messages to each other. In native world, this corresponds to a multiprocess-like parallel environment, where processes do interprocess pipes to push data to each other, or like the MPI API that is used in big computing clusters that consist of multiple separate computers that send messages through the network. Web Workers have followed this approach, and they limit workers from accessing each other's memory directly. This simplifies parallel programming greatly, but it is a different paradigm that also limits the kind of parallel algorithms that one could implement.

Native threading builds strictly on the assumption that threads can share memory with each other. This has been the hard and painful part for JS Web Workers from Emscripten native threading perspective, since shared memory has not been available. However for more than a year now, there have been experiments going on to imagine what such a direct memory sharing approach for JavaScript Web Workers would look like. This research process is a collaboration between multiple browser vendors, and you can follow that discussion here: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1NDGA_gZJ7M7w1Bh8S0AoDyEqwDdRh4uSoTPSNn77PFk/edit#heading=h.a6o4dubw5qla , where the SharedArrayBuffer specification is being drafted. Having direct shared memory enables more flexible options for parallelism compared to the more limited message passing approaches, and this flexibility benefits both native JS developers and compilers such as Emscripten. Alongside the SharedArrayBuffer research, we have been working to add support for pthreads to Emscripten that backs on to this research, and today we feel that we are at the point where it makes sense to push the feature to the incoming branch for everyone to test.

It should be stressed that this feature is very experimental at the moment, and the only browser to currently implement support for it is Firefox Nightly. Being experimental means that there can be any number of changes made to the specification, which can mean that pages that you have compiled against it can stop working in Nightly in the future, if the spec and the implementation changes. We don't want to wait however until the standard is fixed, before bringing it to Emscripten, because your feedback will be extremely valuable in shaping the draft further, and that we can ensure that we get it right, and that the draft that will be proposed for adoption will be a good one that covers the important Emscripten needs. So, if you have some cycles to spare on experimenting with this feature to give us feedback, please do, so that we can make sure we don't miss anything!

What the pthreads support for Emscripten means for developers in practice:

  - Default build mode is still fully singlethreaded. You should not see any pthreads-related code "leak in" to your non-pthreads builds ("you don't pay for what you don't use"). If you do see this, please submit a bug report!
  - Pass the -s USE_PTHREADS=1 compiler and linker flag to enable targeting pthreads. This enables the code to call the pthreads API, as well as use the GCC built-in lockfree atomics operations and the futex wait&wake API. See https://github.com/kripken/emscripten/blob/incoming/system/include/emscripten/threading.h for a list of function calls enabled when targeting pthreads.
  - When building with pthreads enabled, the asm.js HEAP is fully shared between all pthreads, but all objects in handwritten JS code you write are all thread local (JS objects are not shared between threads)
  - Run the compiled output in Firefox Nightly. Remember to deploy the new output file pthread-main.js alongside the rest of the build outputs, that contains the "launcher" for pthreads code.
  - The implementation should be fairly mature at this point, so don't be shy to stress it. It has been tested on three large fronts so far:
     - The Emscripten unit test suite itself has a section for pthreads tests: browser.test_pthread_*, see https://github.com/kripken/emscripten/blob/incoming/tests/test_browser.py#L2517
     - The Open POSIX Test suite has been ported over to build and run with Emscripten: https://github.com/juj/posixtestsuite/commits/master . The interface tests should all pass, and hence our implementation should be POSIX conformant, except for features that Emscripten can't support (inter-thread signals is one feature that is not available)
     - We have been working with Unity to develop multithreading support to Unity3D WebGL export code, and it is running quite nicely. Currently we are using this development as a source for scalability benchmarking like this: http://clb.demon.fi/emcc/pthreads/webgl_benchmark_pthreads.html

You can find the documentation for pthreads here: https://github.com/kripken/emscripten/blob/incoming/site/source/docs/porting/pthreads.rst . Emscripten bug tracker also has a new label 'multithreading', and you can use that as a filter to follow the multithreading development. See https://github.com/kripken/emscripten/issues?q=is%3Aopen+is%3Aissue+label%3Amultithreading .

Please do give a go to test how well your code empthreadizes, and let us know about the issues you are running into. Thanks!

   Jukka

Re: Emscripten gains experimental pthreads support! Floh 04.06.15 12:14
Awesome! Big congratulations to all involved for making the impossible possible :)

Cheers!
-Floh.
Re: Emscripten gains experimental pthreads support! weitjong 05.06.15 07:28
Hi,

I encountered this error during runtime "TypeError: Argument 9 of WebGLRenderingContext.texImage2D does not implement interface ArrayBufferViewOrNull."
I saw you have filed this problem in bugzilla@mozilla. Is there any workaround it at the moment? Thanks.

Best regards,
YaoWT
Re: Emscripten gains experimental pthreads support! jj 05.06.15 08:50

Ah yeah, I have a patch for that in the queue, that will fix this proper. Unfortunately there is no workaround that could be used in the meanwhile. I'll post back here once the fix is in in Nightly.

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Re: Emscripten gains experimental pthreads support! chronotext 06.06.15 23:24
Hey there,

Congrats for the hard-work.

I'm trying to assemble the parts of the puzzle, and I was wondering:

Is the Emscripten-pthread + mozilla-SharedArrayBuffer effort correlated to the ongoing mozilla-WorkerCanvas effort?

Thanks,
Ariel
Re: Emscripten gains experimental pthreads support! jj 07.06.15 00:00

Thanks! The SharedArrayBuffer and pthreads work is a carried out separately from the webgl in worker effort, by mostly different people, but they are both part of a well coordinated simultaneous strategy, where the goal is to empower the workers so that they are useful for a wide range of serious tasks. In Emscripten we are looking to eventually improve the proxy to worker feature by needing fewer items proxied, and researching the feasibility of synchronous blocking loops. That would get much closer to a programming model parity with native, and therefore would enable easier porting of native code. However there are still a lot of unknowns, but we will keep you posted how this progresses.

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Re: Emscripten gains experimental pthreads support! awt 09.06.15 00:25
Great news :) Just checking, with the pthread implementation, will we be able to retrieve SDL events in a while loop like the following?

for (;;)
{
    while ((1<=SDL_PeepEvents(&e, 1, SDL_GETEVENT, SDL_QUIT, SDL_LASTEVENT)))
    {
        //If user closes the window
switch (e.type)
{
    case SDL_QUIT:
    {
        cout << " SDL_QUIT received!!!";
quitApp();
return;
    }
    default:
        break;
}
    }
}

On Friday, June 5, 2015 at 12:21:31 AM UTC+8, jj wrote:
Re: Emscripten gains experimental pthreads support! awt 09.06.15 22:56
Hi jj,

Any update on my question below?
Re: Emscripten gains experimental pthreads support! jj 10.06.15 01:51
Hi awt,

in the current pthreads implementation, the main thread is still running in the main thread of the JS file, and therefore must run asynchronously. The feature to enable what you describe is https://github.com/kripken/emscripten/issues/3496 , which will allow blocking code by moving the main thread to a worker as well. You can use that bug item to follow the implementation as it progresses.

   Jukka

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Re: Emscripten gains experimental pthreads support! awt 10.06.15 02:16
Thanks Jukka :)
Re: Emscripten gains experimental pthreads support! Tolis Christomanos 23.06.15 06:49
Hello,

I am new to emscripten. Could someone give me a very small example of pthreads that runs successfully?

Thanks,
Tolis
Re: Emscripten gains experimental pthreads support! Robert Goulet 10.08.15 10:33
That's very useful indeed! Congrats. Any clues if Google Chrome is going to support this as well?
Re: Emscripten gains experimental pthreads support! Alon Zakai 10.08.15 12:24

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Re: Emscripten gains experimental pthreads support! Jean-Marc Le Roux 26.08.15 23:31
Does it mean we can use C++11 std::thread?
Re: Emscripten gains experimental pthreads support! Alon Zakai 27.08.15 11:42
Our tests use the pthreads API. I did a little test with std::thread and it looks like it doesn't work, I filed https://github.com/kripken/emscripten/issues/3721

On Wed, Aug 26, 2015 at 11:31 PM, Jean-Marc Le Roux <jeanmar...@aerys.in> wrote:
Does it mean we can use C++11 std::thread?

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Re: Emscripten gains experimental pthreads support! Robert Goulet 01.09.15 14:00
Could this error be related to SharedArrayBuffer in Firefox Nightly?

TypeError: asm.js type error: could not match typed array name
TypeError: asm.js type error: Disabled by javascript.options.asmjs in about:config

I get this as soon as I load the .js file. I enabled pthread.
Re: Emscripten gains experimental pthreads support! Alon Zakai 01.09.15 15:03