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Kobe's Accuser: Katelyn Faber Is a Bona-Fide NuT Chief Wild Eagle 25/07/03 03:18 ص
The latest on Kobe's al;leged vicrim, Katelyn Faber.

Bryant's accuser hospitalized last winter in mental health case  
July 24, 2003
SportsLine.com wire reports      
   
EAGLE, Colo. -- The scrutiny of Kobe Bryant's accuser intensified
Thursday when
authorities confirmed she was hospitalized as a "danger to herself"
four months
before the alleged sexual assault.
 
University of Northern Colorado police chief Terry Urista said campus
police
received a call about 9 p.m. on Feb. 25 regarding the woman in a
dormitory
room.

"An officer determined she was a danger to herself," he said. "It's
classified
as a mental health issue."

The woman was transported by ambulance to North Colorado Medical
Center of
Greeley.

"That was the only contact we've had with her all year long," Urista
said.

Lindsey McKinney, a former friend who lived with the woman for two
months last
spring, said the woman attempted suicide last winter and again in May
by
overdosing on sleeping pills after returning home from school.

Authorities have not confirmed that Bryant's accuser attempted suicide
or that
she overdosed on pills in May.

Prosecutors and an attorney for Bryant's 19-year-old accuser have
declined to
discuss details of the case or the background of the woman.

The Eagle County sheriff dismissed speculation by at least one of the
woman's
friends that she is having second thoughts about going forward with
the case.

"As far as I've heard, that is just plain rumor," Sheriff Joe Hoy
said. "That
is just off-board."

Bryant was charged with felony sexual assault after his accuser told
authorities he attacked her at an Edwards resort June 30. Bryant has
claimed
the sex was consensual.

Prosecutors met with the woman at length at her lawyer's office this
week and
interviewed other young women at the district attorney's office in
Eagle.
Friends say the woman is strong enough to withstand the media
attention.

Krista Flannigan, a spokeswoman for District Attorney Mark Hurlbert,
said the
final decision about pursuing the case rests with prosecutors, who
represent
the public and not just the victim.

"It's not her complaint against him. It's the people of Colorado
against him,"
she said.

Prosecutors have sometimes decided to continue cases, including sexual
assault
and domestic violence ones, without the cooperation of victims, she
said.

Hoy, who was accused by defense attorneys of rushing the case against
Hurlbert's wishes, also said it was up to the prosecutor whether to go
to
trial.

"It wouldn't be her choice," Hoy said.

The woman's name has been on the radio in at least 60 cities and
posted on
various Internet sites, complete with address, phone number and, in
several
cases, photographs of the wrong women.

Media focus on her is angering some who say the spotlight is making
her a
victim all over again.

The release of her name is an invasion of her privacy, said Flannigan,
who is
also a victim advocate with experience in several high-profile cases.

"All assault victims' names are supposed to be protected," she said.
"It's a
safety and security issue, especially with higher profile cases. Once
they are
exposed, they really feel it's another violation. The victim is
revictimized."

 
http://www.sportsline.com/nba/story/6497613

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Kobe's Accuser: Katelyn Faber Is a Bona-Fide NuT Emma Chase VanCott 25/07/03 07:29 ص
Chief Wild Eagle <ste...@dave.net> wrote:
: The latest on Kobe's al;leged vicrim, Katelyn Faber.

: Bryant's accuser hospitalized last winter in mental health case  
: July 24, 2003
: SportsLine.com wire reports      
:    
: EAGLE, Colo. -- The scrutiny of Kobe Bryant's accuser intensified
: Thursday when
: authorities confirmed she was hospitalized as a "danger to herself"
: four months
: before the alleged sexual assault.
:  
: University of Northern Colorado police chief Terry Urista said campus
: police
: received a call about 9 p.m. on Feb. 25 regarding the woman in a
: dormitory
: room.

: "An officer determined she was a danger to herself," he said. "It's
: classified
: as a mental health issue."

Chief has said he essentially wants to hurt the victim's case.

This article, in fact, does not.

Wow. Talk about a sitting-duck victim.

I have worked in the mental health field. Mentally/emotionally compromised
women get taken advantage of ALL the time. It's sort of a broken record,
in fact. They confuse sex with love. Certain men love that.


Emma

Kobe's Accuser: Katelyn Faber Is a Bona-Fide NuT Khalid Rahim 25/07/03 07:53 ص
she IS a nut, and i'm glad that the old double standard embedded in
the rape shield law is finally breaking down in this age of the
internet. it permits too many unbalanced or even rejected women to
destroy a man's life with impunity.

the leftwing media can't handle it; suddenly, as we gain our
information from the blogosphere and from the web in general, who
gives a shit what jenningsratherbrokawcouric claim to be the truth?

Kobe's Accuser: Katelyn Faber Is a Bona-Fide NuT Chris Pisarra 25/07/03 08:07 ص
Emma Chase VanCott burbled to the world:

> I have worked in the mental health field. Mentally/emotionally
> compromised women get taken advantage of ALL the time. It's sort of a
> broken record, in fact. They confuse sex with love. Certain men love
> that.


                Getting taken advantage of is not rape.

                 Taking advantage of needy women is tacky, but not rape.

                                 Chris


Kobe's Accuser: Katelyn Faber Is a Bona-Fide NuT Todd Farlow 25/07/03 08:25 ص
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Kobe's Accuser: Katelyn Faber Is a Bona-Fide NuT kat 25/07/03 10:02 ص
Emma Chase VanCott <7e...@qlink.queensu.ca> wrote in message news:<bfrerj$had$2...@knot.queensu.ca>...

>
> Chief has said he essentially wants to hurt the victim's case.
>
> This article, in fact, does not.
>
> Wow. Talk about a sitting-duck victim.
>
> I have worked in the mental health field. Mentally/emotionally compromised
> women get taken advantage of ALL the time. It's sort of a broken record,
> in fact. They confuse sex with love. Certain men love that.
>
>
> Emma

I would have to agree. She may be lying, maybe she hallucinated the
whole thing, or worse yet, made it up.. but then, just maybe, he DID
indeed rape her, whether or not she's mentally ill. It's not an
impossibility by any means. You are right. Some women are victim
types, with low self esteem, and predatory men can sense this and take
advantage. In fact, I would take it a step further. I think that
predatory types would be far more likely to rape docile, insecure,
mentally unstable individuals, because they are such easy targets.

Kat

Kobe's Accuser: Katelyn Faber Is a Bona-Fide NuT Theo 25/07/03 11:46 ص
tarkani...@spamgourmet.com (Khalid Rahim) wrote in message news:<34884d96.0307250653.51500bc0@posting.google.com>...

> she IS a nut, and i'm glad that the old double standard embedded in
> the rape shield law is finally breaking down in this age of the
> internet. it permits too many unbalanced or even rejected women to
> destroy a man's life with impunity.


Rape shield laws are not about withholding a rape complainant's name -
they are about not allowing her prior sexual history or experience in
as evidence (with very limited exceptions, e.g., prior sex history
with defendant) to somehow suggest her character is tarnished because
she's not a virgin.  You know - no more neanderthal irrelevant shit
used against women.  And people who attempt suicide - if that is true
in this case - are not necessarily nuts.  Being depressed and wanting
to end it does not make you psychotic or nuts. It makes you depressed
and vulnerable - BIG difference and may actually really work in her
favor with a jury. But, as I've said elsewhere, I doubt this is coming
in as evidence. It will be an uphill battle to get it in.

And if you think this situation is about Kobe rejecting HER then you
are nuts.

Kobe's Accuser: Katelyn Faber Is a Bona-Fide NuT Zimmy 25/07/03 11:59 ص
Theo wrote:
And people who attempt suicide - if that is true
> in this case - are not necessarily nuts.  Being depressed and wanting
> to end it does not make you psychotic or nuts. It makes you depressed
> and vulnerable - BIG difference and may actually really work in her
> favor with a jury. But, as I've said elsewhere, I doubt this is coming
> in as evidence. It will be an uphill battle to get it in.
>
> And if you think this situation is about Kobe rejecting HER then you
> are nuts.

I'm not saying he did or didn't do it but if someone with a history of "look
at me, I'm commiting suicide, please stop me!" claims that YOU raped her,
I'm betting her mental history would be very important to your case.

It is very important to the case and I bet it will come up.  Unless there is
strong physical evidence against Bryant, they'll be all over that and the
bragging party story.

Z


Kobe's Accuser: Katelyn Faber Is a Bona-Fide NuT Jeffy3 25/07/03 01:48 م
kat3...@hotmail.com (kat) wrote in message news:<27baa482.0307250902.443741d3@posting.google.com>...


How about we wait for the trial and let the jury decide?

Kobe's Accuser: Katelyn Faber Is a Bona-Fide NuT Chief Wild Eagle 25/07/03 02:37 م

Well said, Khalid.

Women keep crowing about how they want equality, but God Forbid if a
rape "victim's" name becomes public.

If she has been raped, why should she care who knows?

I'm tired of the Feminist Double Standard.

Katelyn Faber is nothing but a money-grubbing whore.


On 25 Jul 2003 07:53:03 -0700, tarkani...@spamgourmet.com

Kobe's Accuser: Katelyn Faber Is a Bona-Fide NuT Elayne444 25/07/03 03:07 م
>they want equality, but God Forbid if a
>rape "victim's" name becomes public.
>
>If she has been raped, why should she care who knows?
>

It's not just female rape victims who have their names withheld, dipshit. It
applies to male victims, too. And I'll answer your question with a question.
Suppose you went to a friend's house to watch a ballgame and he suddenly pinned
you and sodomized you? Ignoring the question about whether you'd have the
courage to report the rape to the cops, let's say you reported it. This means
you had to go to the hospital and have strangers stick swabs up your ass to get
dna material and spread your butt cheeks so they could get some nice graphic
shots of your bleeding asshole. Then you had to tell some cops in excruciating
detail about what happened to you, how far he jammed his dick into your ass,
how he called you his bitch, etc. And then if you survived that humiliation,
you got to go to court, where a roomful of strangers get to hear your story
again and look at those big blown-up shots of your naked fat ass. And you had
to answer questions from his attorney about every single questionable thing you
ever did and make insinuations ("So...you belong to the Y?" - long knowing look
at the jury) And, as a final insult, his story was that it was consensual.
You're gay, he claimed, but can't admit to yourself. You just regretted your
night of sweaty manlove, so you cried rape. So tell me, after all that, would
YOU want your name public? Would you forever want to be known as that guy who
got raped by another man? Or, if he got off, as the latent homo who cried rape?
I doubt it. Now, why don't you just admit you hate women and be done with it?

Kobe's Accuser: Katelyn Faber Is a Bona-Fide NuT Racine 25/07/03 03:17 م

"kat" <kat3...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Some women are victim
> types, with low self esteem, and predatory men can sense this and take
> advantage. In fact, I would take it a step further. I think that
> predatory types would be far more likely to rape docile, insecure,
> mentally unstable individuals, because they are such easy targets.
>
The path of least residence, so they think.

Kobe's Accuser: Katelyn Faber Is a Bona-Fide NuT Lee 25/07/03 11:06 م
elay...@aol.com (Elayne444) wrote in message news:<20030725180713.18249.00000384@mb-m17.aol.com>...

> >they want equality, but God Forbid if a
> >rape "victim's" name becomes public.
> >
> >If she has been raped, why should she care who knows?
> >
>
> It's not just female rape victims who have their names withheld, dipshit. It
> applies to male victims, too. And I'll answer your question with a question.
> Suppose you went to a friend's house to watch a ballgame and he suddenly pinned
> you and sodomized you?


Why does your analogy presume the rape occured?
This implies that you believe Katelyn Faber was raped.
This is an alleged accusation.

Kobe is innocent until proven guilty.
The DA has to prove his case with his star witness seeing stars.

Ignoring the question about whether you'd have the
> courage to report the rape to the cops, let's say you reported it.

None of my firends are stronger than I and yes I'd have the balls to
report it and go public.

 This means
> you had to go to the hospital and have strangers stick swabs up your ass to get
> dna material and spread your butt cheeks so they could get some nice graphic
> shots of your bleeding asshole. Then you had to tell some cops in excruciating
> detail about what happened to you, how far he jammed his dick into your ass,
> how he called you his bitch, etc. And then if you survived that humiliation,


This emotionalization of the law is madness.
Yes it's traumatic - who said life is easy?
If you want to rationally prove rape then you need to rationally
collect evidence.


> you got to go to court, where a roomful of strangers get to hear your story
> again and look at those big blown-up shots of your naked fat ass. And you had
> to answer questions from his attorney about every single questionable thing you
> ever did and make insinuations ("So...you belong to the Y?" - long knowing look
> at the jury)


I've got the courage to handle anything.  Especially if I know I am
right.  I would never posit "Well, maybe this is too much
attention...I didn't think so many people would find out..."


 And, as a final insult, his story was that it was consensual.
> You're gay, he claimed, but can't admit to yourself. You just regretted your
> night of sweaty manlove, so you cried rape. So tell me, after all that, would
> YOU want your name public?

Yes.  And I'd never speak to that friend again.

 Would you forever want to be known as that guy who
> got raped by another man?

That's so much better than how his life will be in prison...

> Or, if he got off, as the latent homo who cried rape?

My 50 former gf's would make great testimony.
"So Ms Sp..how many times did you have sex with the accused that day?"
"Twelve, your honor."

> I doubt it. Now, why don't you just admit you hate women and be done with it?

I hate double standards.  And I love women.  They are the best.
Your response is typical - any criticism of how the laws treat women
right now is misogynistic  - the man's rights are secondary.  Gender
Feminism has gone too far; to the point that men are discriminated
against.

One can criticise the results of Feminism and not hate Women, radical
feminists opinions not withstanding.

Consider it.

Kobe's Accuser: Katelyn Faber Is a Bona-Fide NuT Calla 26/07/03 05:02 ص
leracon...@yahoo.com (Lee) wrote in message news:<1cf583b.0307252206.726cfc24@posting.google.com>...

> elay...@aol.com (Elayne444) wrote in message news:<20030725180713.18249.00000384@mb-m17.aol.com>...
> > >they want equality, but God Forbid if a
> > >rape "victim's" name becomes public.
> > >
> > >If she has been raped, why should she care who knows?
> > >
> >
> > It's not just female rape victims who have their names withheld, dipshit. It
> > applies to male victims, too. And I'll answer your question with a question.
> > Suppose you went to a friend's house to watch a ballgame and he suddenly pinned
> > you and sodomized you?
>
>
> Why does your analogy presume the rape occured?
> This implies that you believe Katelyn Faber was raped.
> This is an alleged accusation.
>
> Kobe is innocent until proven guilty.

Not in the court of public opinion.  People seem to feel free to make
statements about whether or not they think the woman is lying, so why
shouldn't they also feel free to make statements that assume Kobe is
guilty?
He's only "innocent until proven guilty" in the eyes of the law.  I
think he did it and therefore I think he is guilty as sin right this
minute.  I think her "unbalanced" mental state is what led her to get
into the situation to begin with, but she still didn't deserve to be
raped.

Kobe's Accuser: Katelyn Faber Is a Bona-Fide NuT Racine 26/07/03 10:30 ص

"Calla" <fiat...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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I think her "unbalanced" mental state is what led her to get
> into the situation to begin with, but she still didn't deserve to be
> raped.

This is true. I don't know why some people think (and I include myself in
this),
that the only rape victims deserving of our sympathy is someone who's
pristine
pure, intelligent & stable.  As if anybody less than that doesn't warrant
our sympathy.
I'm shocked at my own initial response to the alleged victim.  And I'm
puzzled
as to why I reacted that way.  It's not like I'm some Kobe fan.  Odd.

Kobe's Accuser: Katelyn Faber Is a Bona-Fide NuT Elayne444 26/07/03 10:47 ص
>
>Why does your analogy presume the <rape occured?>

Because I was responding to his statement: >> >If she has been raped, why


should she care who knows?

>I've got the courage to handle anything.  Especially if I know I am right. >

Congratulations. You're the strongest person in America. Therefore, I'm sure
you won't care that I think you're full of it.

>Your response is typical - any criticism of how the laws treat women right now
is misogynistic  - the man's rights are secondary. >>

Again, the shield law applies to female and MALE victims. As such, I fail to
see how it can be considered an abrogation of men's rights. It is gender
neutral. And I don't believe I mentioned a single law other than the shield
law, but I see that you can read my 'typical' mind.


Kobe's Accuser: Katelyn Faber Is a Bona-Fide NuT Lee 26/07/03 03:35 م
> >Your response is typical - any criticism of how the laws treat women right now
> is misogynistic  - the man's rights are secondary. >>
>
> Again, the shield law applies to female and MALE victims.

Please cite one case in the past 10 years where a famous woman was
accused of rape and the adult mans identity was shielded.

 As such, I fail to
> see how it can be considered an abrogation of men's rights.

Because in effect the woman is free to accuse w/o the same public
scrutiny Mr Bryant is experiencing.

 It is gender
> neutral.


In reality the man's persona is left to twist in the public wind and
the woman is left with the law protecting her persona.

And I don't believe I mentioned a single law other than the shield
> law, but I see that you can read my 'typical' mind.

Presumption of male guilt is all too typical.

He is innocent until proven guilty.  Period.

L

Kobe's Accuser: Katelyn Faber Is a Bona-Fide NuT Lee 26/07/03 03:38 م
fiat...@yahoo.com (Calla) wrote in message news:<48b22af2.0307260402.4b907adf@posting.google.com>...

> leracon...@yahoo.com (Lee) wrote in message news:<1cf583b.0307252206.726cfc24@posting.google.com>...
> > elay...@aol.com (Elayne444) wrote in message news:<20030725180713.18249.00000384@mb-m17.aol.com>...
> > > >they want equality, but God Forbid if a
> > > >rape "victim's" name becomes public.
> > > >
> > > >If she has been raped, why should she care who knows?
> > > >
> > >
> > > It's not just female rape victims who have their names withheld, dipshit. It
> > > applies to male victims, too. And I'll answer your question with a question.
> > > Suppose you went to a friend's house to watch a ballgame and he suddenly pinned
> > > you and sodomized you?
> >
> >
> > Why does your analogy presume the rape occured?
> > This implies that you believe Katelyn Faber was raped.
> > This is an alleged accusation.
> >
> > Kobe is innocent until proven guilty.
>
> Not in the court of public opinion.

Then you do not believe in the cornerstone of US justice.

How civilised of you.

  People seem to feel free to make
> statements about whether or not they think the woman is lying,

She is alleging therefore by convention her allegation is unproven and
therefore a current legal falsehood.

L

Kobe's Accuser: Katelyn Faber Is a Bona-Fide NuT Lee 26/07/03 03:44 م
"Racine" <raci...@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message news:<3VyUa.75488$0v4.4...@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>...

> "Calla" <fiat...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:48b22af2.0307260402.4b907adf@posting.google.com...
> I think her "unbalanced" mental state is what led her to get
> > into the situation to begin with, but she still didn't deserve to be
> > raped.
>
> This is true. I don't know why some people think (and I include myself in
> this),
> that the only rape victims deserving of our sympathy is someone who's
> pristine
> pure, intelligent & stable.

Deserving of sympathy - yes.
Believed?  No.

Because unstable people can include one with mental illness that has
the person seeing hearing and experiencing things that do not occur to
the rest of us who are rational.

Because unstable people can be delusional with greater likelihood than
the rational.


  As if anybody less than that doesn't warrant
> our sympathy.
> I'm shocked at my own initial response to the alleged victim.  And I'm
> puzzled
> as to why I reacted that way.


Maybe because presumption of male guilt is becoming unacceptable to
society at large.

>  It's not like I'm some Kobe fan.  Odd.

L

Kobe's Accuser: Katelyn Faber Is a Bona-Fide NuT Elayne444 26/07/03 08:39 م
>Please cite one case in the past 10 years where a famous woman was
>accused of rape and the adult mans identity was shielded.

Irrelevant. The fact remains that a man could've accused Bryant of rape and his
identity would be protected under the shield law. And there have been more than
a few cases in my state where women were accused of rape (not statutory) and
the identities of their male accusers were shielded. If a law can be used to
protect both genders, it is by definition gender neutral.

>In reality the man's persona is left to twist in the public wind and
>the woman is left with the law protecting her persona.

Oh, really? How has this woman's persona been protected? She's already had a
mountain of shit heaped on her.

>Presumption of male guilt is all too typical.
>
>He is innocent until proven guilty.  Period.

I don't recall stating any opinion about his guilt or innocence. Period. I'll
let you have the last word.

Kobe's Accuser: Katelyn Faber Is a Bona-Fide NuT Lee 27/07/03 04:55 ص
elay...@aol.com (Elayne444) wrote in message news:<20030726233933.14602.00000619@mb-m02.aol.com>...

> >Please cite one case in the past 10 years where a famous woman was
> >accused of rape and the adult mans identity was shielded.
>
> Irrelevant. The fact remains that a man could've accused Bryant of rape and his
> identity would be protected under the shield law.

But the reality is that it has not and the liklihood of it happening
is small.  Therefore the law as written is anti-male ITRW.

. And there have been more than
> a few cases in my state where women were accused of rape (not statutory) and
> the identities of their male accusers were shielded.

Cites please.

If a law can be used to
> protect both genders, it is by definition gender neutral.

If in practice men experience injustice 80 or 90% of the time from
said law it needs revision.

>
> >In reality the man's persona is left to twist in the public wind and
> >the woman is left with the law protecting her persona.
>
> Oh, really? How has this woman's persona been protected? She's already had a
> mountain of shit heaped on her.

Thanks to the Internet and the free flow of information.
No thanks to mainstream media or rape shield laws

>
> >Presumption of male guilt is all too typical.
> >
> >He is innocent until proven guilty.  Period.

Kobe's Accuser: Katelyn Faber Is a Bona-Fide NuT Scarlette O'Whora 27/07/03 09:59 ص
"Chris Pisarra" <Chris@Pisarra.com> wrote in message news:<DIbUa.127397$GL4.33898@rwcrnsc53>...

As a matter of fact, Chris Pisarra, mentally disadvantaged women do
have some protection under the law.  A woman who is unable to speak up
for themselves, either by virtue of mental defect or inability to
respond, is automatically considered to be a rape victim under some
statues.  Talk to me about that when you have a young daughter who
gets taken advantage of by an older teenage boy.  We'll see how hard
you think the line is between rape and consent then.  I've seen too
many taken advantage of to think that forcible rape is the only kind.
Scarlette O'Whora

Kobe's Accuser: Katelyn Faber Is a Bona-Fide NuT Scarlette O'Whora 27/07/03 10:05 ص
elay...@aol.com (Elayne444) wrote in message news:<20030725180713.18249.00000384@mb-m17.aol.com>...

Hear hear!  All of the US should read this post!  
Scarlette O'Whora

Kobe's Accuser: Katelyn Faber Is a Bona-Fide NuT Theo 27/07/03 12:42 م
leracon...@yahoo.com (Lee) wrote in message news:<1cf583b.0307261444.5c01b25@posting.google.com>...

> "Racine" <raci...@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message news:<3VyUa.75488$0v4.4...@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>...
> > "Calla" <fiat...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > news:48b22af2.0307260402.4b907adf@posting.google.com...
> > I think her "unbalanced" mental state is what led her to get
> > > into the situation to begin with, but she still didn't deserve to be
> > > raped.
> >
> > This is true. I don't know why some people think (and I include myself in
> > this),
> > that the only rape victims deserving of our sympathy is someone who's
> > pristine
> > pure, intelligent & stable.
>
> Deserving of sympathy - yes.
> Believed?  No.
>
> Because unstable people can include one with mental illness that has
> the person seeing hearing and experiencing things that do not occur to
> the rest of us who are rational.
>
> Because unstable people can be delusional with greater likelihood than
> the rational.
>


Again, the Rape Shield Laaws are not about protecting the alleged
victim's name.  They were enacted to keep out of evidence information
that was historically wrongly used to label the victim as "wanting
it," crazy, slutty, hysterical, lying, etc.  You know, like people are
doing to Bryant's alleged victim now.  Information that had no bearing
on whether the complaining witness was truthful or capable of
perceiving accurately at the time of the offense or remembering
accurately at trial what happened on the night in question.

People who attempt suicide are depressed usually.  Where are people
coming up with these other symptoms like delusions and experiencing
hallucinations?  And what someone does in a moment of sorrow based on
circumstances at the time (e.g. rejection by a loved one, death of a
close friend) does not necessarily have relevance to a dissimilar
event months later.

I admit that I would try to get in any evidence I could to help my
client but I also know that it would be an uphill battle.  And I also
know it could seriously backfire.  Juries hate it when you (both the
government and the defense) try to make analogies using embarrassing
and dissimilar events.  They think it's unfair and they hold it
against you during deliberations.  For instance, if the govt were
somehow allowed to present evidence of Bryant's past dalliances, if
there are any, that might be viewed  by a jury as unfair unless there
was some relevance like Bryant claims he's never cheated before and
their existence makes him a liar. But the fact of his less than
pristine sexual history is not in and of itself relevant to this
alleged rape. Unless there was force or coercion involve then we might
- might - have a pattern.

What may be very telling is the rumor, if it's true, that it is her
mother who characterized what happened to her daughter as rape once
she learned the details.  Some people internalize everything. They
think everything is their fault.  If someone leaves them then they
must be the bad, unworthy person - not the louse who cheats on you
behind your back. And if someone forces sex on you then it still must
be your fault - after all what are you doing alone with him?  See you
must be bad and slutty - you allowed yourself to be alone with this
guy. You gave off the wrong "signals."   People who get angry at
people who do them wrong do not attempt suicide - they try to get back
at the wrong doer.  Slash their tires, attack them. You know like Ann
Coulter is alleged to  have done with some guy who ran from her like a
bat out of hell when it dawned on him what she was really like.  You
think Ann Coulter would ever attempt suicide?  So the notion that she
may have tried to minimize what happened or thought she deserved it or
whatever pathetic excuse she was making for Mr. Bryant is so typical
of that doormat type of person who attempts suicide ot tries to hurt
themselves - not the person who hurt them.  Well, maybe her mother saw
right through it and said - fuck that - you did nothing wrong, he
raped you. And if that's the case then good for the mother.

The rules of evidence exist for the most part to keep out evidence
that can mislead or confuse a jury. It is important to keep out any
information/factors that will be wrongly and unfairly used to judge a
witness' (defendant or other) credibility.  Some ideas are old
fashioned but historically accepted as having some truth - like if you
try to commit suicide you must be a liar. You must be totally nuts
about everything that happens to you. You must suffer delusions.
Nonsense.  The statistics for "attempted" suicides for teenagers is
pretty high.  It is not uncommon at all. And, of course, we are
assuming these events were suicide attempts and not just careless
abuses of alcohol or drugs with no intention of committing suicide.  I
doubt Karen Quinlin was trying to commit suicide.  She just chose the
wrong  mix of substances.

Kobe's Accuser: Katelyn Faber Is a Bona-Fide NuT Ophie 27/07/03 07:07 م
> He's only "innocent until proven guilty" in the eyes of the law.  I
> think he did it and therefore I think he is guilty as sin right this
> minute.  I think her "unbalanced" mental state is what led her to get
> into the situation to begin with, but she still didn't deserve to be
> raped.

She's just another sports groupie who was disappointed that Kobe
treated her no differently than the rest of the mercenary hoochies who
follow athletes around.  I feel sorry for her because it sounds like
she is bipolar or something.  And if she knows she is unbalanced, she
should have seeked help.  Maybe she stopped taking her meds or
something.  I think Kobe is just guilty of adultery, no more, no less.

Kobe's Accuser: Katelyn Faber may be a Bona-Fide NuT Lee 28/07/03 12:49 ص
theop...@excite.com (Theo) wrote in message news:<d6b3dd5e.0307271142.53ae0e97@posting.google.com>...
> leracon...@yahoo.com (Lee) wrote in message news:<1cf583b.0307261444.5c01b25@posting.google.com>...
> > "Racine" <raci...@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message news:<3VyUa.75488$0v4.4...@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>...
> > > "Calla" <fiat...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > > news:48b22af2.0307260402.4b907adf@posting.google.com...
> > > I think her "unbalanced" mental state is what led her to get
> > > > into the situation to begin with, but she still didn't deserve to be
> > > > raped.
> > >
> > > This is true. I don't know why some people think (and I include myself in
> > > this),
> > > that the only rape victims deserving of our sympathy is someone who's
> > > pristine
> > > pure, intelligent & stable.
> >
> > Deserving of sympathy - yes.
> > Believed?  No.
> >
> > Because unstable people can include one with mental illness that has
> > the person seeing hearing and experiencing things that do not occur to
> > the rest of us who are rational.
> >
> > Because unstable people can be delusional with greater likelihood than
> > the rational.
> >
>
>
> Again, the Rape Shield Laaws are not about protecting the alleged
> victim's name.  They were enacted to keep out of evidence information
> that was historically wrongly used to label the victim as "wanting
> it," crazy, slutty, hysterical,

lying,


The last defies logic.
If someone has a history of lying and false accusations, their very
credibility should be under intense scrutiny.  I use this not as 'she
wanted it' but to imply that someone who lies repeatedly may be less
than rational.

Does a woman's prior sexual history imply 'she wanted it'?  NO.
Does a woman's mental health history imply 'she wanted it'?  NO.
Does a woman's slutty history imply 'she wanted it'?  NO.
Does a woman's hysterical history imply 'she wanted it'?  NO.

Does a woman's history of lying imply she may have made it up?  YES.

etc.  You know, like people are
> doing to Bryant's alleged victim now.  Information that had no bearing
> on whether the complaining witness was truthful or capable of
> perceiving accurately at the time of the offense or remembering
> accurately at trial what happened on the night in question.

Of course.  A possible history of possible mental illness - which can
include delusions.  AKA they don't perceive reality.  How can mental
competency possibly affect testimony? </sarcasm>

>
> People who attempt suicide are depressed usually.

Attempted Suicide is not considered a rational act.

  Where are people
> coming up with these other symptoms like delusions and experiencing
> hallucinations?

Mental illness can take that form.

  And what someone does in a moment of sorrow based on
> circumstances at the time (e.g. rejection by a loved one, death of a
> close friend) does not necessarily have relevance to a dissimilar
> event months later.

It may.
I am no mental health expert.  I do know that schizophrenia is often
presaged by a traumatic event in the early twenties.

L

Kobe's Accuser: Katelyn Faber Is a Bona-Fide NuT Khalid Rahim 28/07/03 10:55 ص
this is nail on head.

remember how the press and feminist fanatics demonized  "deadbat dads"
for years? sure, many men dumped their commitments.

only slowly is the other side of the coin emerging, i.e., how vengeful
mothers deliberately cut off fathers from their children. it has taken
long enough---finally we are seeing how female misbehavior is abetted
by press bias.


leracon...@yahoo.com (Lee) wrote in message news:<1cf583b.0307261444.5c01b25@posting.google.com>...
>
> Maybe because presumption of male guilt is becoming unacceptable to
> society at large.
>
Kobe's Accuser: Katelyn Faber Is a Bona-Fide NuT Khalid Rahim 28/07/03 10:56 ص
theop...@excite.com (Theo) wrote in message news:<d6b3dd5e.0307251046.fb2b4e8@posting.google.com>...
> And if you think this situation is about Kobe rejecting HER then you
> are nuts.

never said that about katelyn faber (univ. of northern colorado)
undergrad from eagle, CO) and kobe.
my original post said that "EVEN REJECTED" women [not necessarily
including katelyn baby] can exploit rape shielding to ruin a man's
life.

Kobe's Accuser: Katelyn Faber Is a Bona-Fide NuT Mary O. 23/08/03 04:29 م
This is so starting to smell like another case in the Northeast, where
a smart, beautiful Harvard professor woman accused her husband of
domestic abuse and rape. And the profile was the same: suicide
attempts, eating disorders, borderline personality stuff,
neglectful/abusive parents, craving after attention, the whole thing.
It's a really interesting compainion piece to the Kobe case,

http://www.thomasscoville.com/borderlands.htm

Pretty soon the Kobe case might raise consciousness about false
accusations of people with borderline personality. I hope the trial
lawyers see this.

Mboo

Chief Wild Eagle <ste...@dave.net> wrote in message news:<kq02ivoknfshcghvana3rk3cnh49no14t0@4ax.com>...
> The latest on Kobe's al;leged vicrim, Katelyn Faber.
>
>
>
> Bryant's accuser hospitalized last winter in mental health case  
> July 24, 2003
> SportsLine.com wire reports      
>    
> EAGLE, Colo. -- The scrutiny of Kobe Bryant's accuser intensified
> Thursday when
> authorities confirmed she was hospitalized as a "danger to herself"
> four months
> before the alleged sexual assault.
>  
> University of Northern Colorado police chief Terry Urista said campus
> police
> received a call about 9 p.m. on Feb. 25 regarding the woman in a
> dormitory
> room.
>
> "An officer determined she was a danger to herself," he said. "It's
> classified
> as a mental health issue."
>
> The woman was transported by ambulance to North Colorado Medical
> Center of
> Greeley.
>
> "That was the only contact we've had with her all year long," Urista
> said.
>
> Lindsey McKinney, a former friend who lived with the woman for two
> months last
> spring, said the woman attempted suicide last winter and again in May
> by
> overdosing on sleeping pills after returning home from school.
>
> Authorities have not confirmed that Bryant's accuser attempted suicide
> or that
> she overdosed on pills in May.
>
> Prosecutors and an attorney for Bryant's 19-year-old accuser have
> declined to
> discuss details of the case or the background of the woman.
>
> The Eagle County sheriff dismissed speculation by at least one of the
> woman's
> friends that she is having second thoughts about going forward with
> the case.
>
> "As far as I've heard, that is just plain rumor," Sheriff Joe Hoy
> said. "That
> is just off-board."
>
> Bryant was charged with felony sexual assault after his accuser told
> authorities he attacked her at an Edwards resort June 30. Bryant has
> claimed
> the sex was consensual.
>
> Prosecutors met with the woman at length at her lawyer's office this
> week and
> interviewed other young women at the district attorney's office in
> Eagle.
> Friends say the woman is strong enough to withstand the media
> attention.
>
> Krista Flannigan, a spokeswoman for District Attorney Mark Hurlbert,
> said the
> final decision about pursuing the case rests with prosecutors, who
> represent
> the public and not just the victim.
>
> "It's not her complaint against him. It's the people of Colorado
> against him,"
> she said.
>
> Prosecutors have sometimes decided to continue cases, including sexual
> assault
> and domestic violence ones, without the cooperation of victims, she
> said.
>
> Hoy, who was accused by defense attorneys of rushing the case against
> Hurlbert's wishes, also said it was up to the prosecutor whether to go
> to
> trial.
>
> "It wouldn't be her choice," Hoy said.
>
> The woman's name has been on the radio in at least 60 cities and
> posted on
> various Internet sites, complete with address, phone number and, in
> several
> cases, photographs of the wrong women.
>
> Media focus on her is angering some who say the spotlight is making
> her a
> victim all over again.
>
> The release of her name is an invasion of her privacy, said Flannigan,
> who is
> also a victim advocate with experience in several high-profile cases.
>
> "All assault victims' names are supposed to be protected," she said.
> "It's a
> safety and security issue, especially with higher profile cases. Once
> they are
> exposed, they really feel it's another violation. The victim is
> revictimized."
>
>
>
>  
> http://www.sportsline.com/nba/story/6497613
>
> -=-
> I smell....
>
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