Landmark "Auditing" (~Coaching~)

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Landmark "Auditing" (~Coaching~) Ellen 5/18/12 1:09 PM
This deserves its own thread.

One wonders if the "coach's" first obligation is to the "client" or to
Landmark.  And how do they come to terms with that conflict in their
own mind.

Wat do they charge for this "service," Bruno?



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Ackkkk!!!

They're reverting to their roots.  Scientological roots, that is.
Someone went back to ~Source.~  They realized there was lots of money
left in the wallets of their dupes so, rather that a one-time,
quickie, week-end ~enlightenment~ course, they should be offering
ongoing "auditing" (just re-name it "coaching" and hope no one catches
on).  Rather than a onetime fee, they could tap into the "revolving"
fee thingie and get people on the treadmill, just the way ol' ElRon
envisioned it.  Lots and lots of people are willing to pay to keep
their Landmark going.  Some scientologists have paid for a lifetime.

One wonders if they'll bring back the E-meter.  (Or some Landmark-
branded facsimile.)

Hey Bruno,

Do they still call their hogwash (brainwashing) ~technology?~

Ellen
Re: Landmark "Auditing" (~Coaching~) Ben Lewis 5/18/12 1:34 PM
On Fri, 18 May 2012 13:09:48 -0700 (PDT), Ellen <elle...@gmail.com>
wrote:

>This deserves its own thread.
>
>One wonders if the "coach's" first obligation is to the "client" or to
>Landmark.  And how do they come to terms with that conflict in their
>own mind.
>
>Wat do they charge for this "service," Bruno?
>
Their charges are shown on the web site, "Oh-Wait-Ellen.  Most folks
would find the price excessive.

ben-estie
Re: Landmark "Auditing" (~Coaching~) Caligari 5/18/12 2:26 PM
On May 18, 1:34 pm, Ben Lewis <bentot1...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Fri, 18 May 2012 13:09:48 -0700 (PDT), Ellen <ellena...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> >This deserves its own thread.
>
> >One wonders if the "coach's" first obligation is to the "client" or to
> >Landmark.  And how do they come to terms with that conflict in their
> >own mind.
>
> >Wat do they charge for this "service," Bruno?
>
> Their charges are shown on the web site, "Oh-Wait-Ellen.  Most folks
> would find the price excessive.
>
> ben-estie
>
>

Unless you have a few thousand to spare ;)

"Personal Performance Coaching in one-to-one sessions is conveniently
scheduled by phone and is available in these packages: $1,900 for 10
sessions, $3,400 for 20 sessions, $5,800 for 40 sessions. Get started
>>"

http://www.landmarkpersonalcoaching.com/personal_performance_coaching.htm
Re: Landmark "Auditing" (~Coaching~) Ben Lewis 5/18/12 3:37 PM
I will spend my 4 grand on a nice river cruise for two down the lower
Danube to the Black Sea.  Did the Upper Danube already.  Old-man
priorities, you know....
Re: Landmark "Auditing" (~Coaching~) Caligari 5/18/12 3:42 PM
On May 18, 3:37 pm, Ben Lewis <bentot1...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Fri, 18 May 2012 14:26:07 -0700 (PDT), Caligari
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> <enric.me...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >On May 18, 1:34 pm, Ben Lewis <bentot1...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >> On Fri, 18 May 2012 13:09:48 -0700 (PDT), Ellen <ellena...@gmail.com>
> >> wrote:
>
> >> >This deserves its own thread.
>
> >> >One wonders if the "coach's" first obligation is to the "client" or to
> >> >Landmark.  And how do they come to terms with that conflict in their
> >> >own mind.
>
> >> >Wat do they charge for this "service," Bruno?
>
> >> Their charges are shown on the web site, "Oh-Wait-Ellen.  Most folks
> >> would find the price excessive.
>
> >> ben-estie
>
> >Unless you have a few thousand to spare ;)
>
> >"Personal Performance Coaching in one-to-one sessions is conveniently
> >scheduled by phone and is available in these packages: $1,900 for 10
> >sessions, $3,400 for 20 sessions, $5,800 for 40 sessions. Get started
> >>>"
>
> >http://www.landmarkpersonalcoaching.com/personal_performance_coaching...
Old, young or in the middle, that's a priority I'm for.

    ;),

    C
Re: Landmark "Auditing" (~Coaching~) tubby 5/18/12 5:50 PM
On May 19, 6:09 am, Ellen <ellena...@gmail.com> wrote:
> This deserves its own thread.
>
> One wonders if the "coach's" first obligation is to the "client" or to
> Landmark.  And how do they come to terms with that conflict in their
> own mind.
>
> Wat do they charge for this "service," Bruno?

You liked the coaching bit . Yes!!!!!
I bet you would like to try some but you just can't get yourself to
accept it may
work for you. The genteel baroness is probably frothing at the mouth
in excitement also.

Caligari told you what they charge for the service. I think its a bit
steep but just like any
product , the market will sort it out whether it survives or not.

I don't know whether the coach would be having any conflict, he or she
most probably
believes that the service they are providing works.
Caligari may better answer that question because he was in the inner
sanctum of the
organisation and most probably knew the coaches at a more personal
level.

However I think coaching in any situation is beneficial as it helps to
direct you to your
blind spots that you are not aware of. This information could be
valuable if you decide
to use it.

In a way we are all coaches here in this newsgroup,  some better than
others. Lots of
anguish though which I find not very helpful.

But yes Ellen you and Baroness Nordstrup are coaches.  The inspiring
Patty in the  corner
with his arms out ooozing love to all in the group  is our resident
spiritual Coach.

Rick Ross is also a coach only he charges exorbitant fees to do his
type of Coaching.

Is his coaching obligation to the client or is it to the so called
Institute on the Net?????

Why don't you ask him, he is a pal of yours?????

Are you coming to the Party with Ben and the gang???????
Maybe we could discuss it over a  few drinks??

Regards
Re: Landmark "Auditing" (~Coaching~) Ben Lewis 5/18/12 6:26 PM
On Fri, 18 May 2012 17:50:44 -0700 (PDT), tubby <bton...@gmail.com>
wrote:
Check all weapons at the door.

The first round of drinks is on me!

ben-estie

"I was doing fine going home last night, until someone walked on my
fingers!!"

"He who enters covered here buys the house a round of cheer!"  A sign
over the officer's club bar on Adak Island in Alaska.  When some poor
guy entered with his hat/cap on, the bartender would clang a big ships
bell, precipitating a mad scramble to the bar for free drinks.  You
only make that mistake once!

Memories.......
Re: Landmark "Auditing" (~Coaching~) patrick 5/19/12 1:00 PM
landmark for sure will take your money and give u phone call
or two and teach u what to think.

rofl


Re: Landmark "Auditing" (~Coaching~) Ben Lewis 5/19/12 2:59 PM
Do you expect them to GIVE their services away, pattie?  For-profit
business normally expect to be paid for their products.

rofl
Re: Landmark "Auditing" (~Coaching~) Sinead (Author) 5/19/12 3:16 PM

> landmark for sure will take your money and give u phone call
> or two and teach u what to think.
>
> rofl

It appears that the critics in alt.fan.landmark have some $ issues. It
is ok to spend $2,000,000 on a luxury yacht, or $75,000 on lap dances
or $15,000 on some high end home entertainment centre but not on
training and development or education of any kind. The locals want to
dictate what choices people can make for themselves and vilify the
choices 2 or 3  internet individuals do not approve of.

How should people freely choose for themselves to invest and spend
their $? Must they consult Rick Ross and his devotees  first? Please
advise the world so they can no what the right choices are please.
Thank-you.
Re: Landmark "Auditing" (~Coaching~) Ellen 5/21/12 9:50 AM
On May 19, 3:16 pm, "Sinead (Author)" <sineadauth...@gmail.com> wrote:

> It appears that the critics in alt.fan.landmark have some $ issues. It
> is ok to spend $2,000,000 on a luxury yacht, or $75,000 on lap dances
> or $15,000 on some high end home entertainment centre but not on

       ***  BOGUS  ***


> training and development or education of any kind. The locals want to
> dictate what choices people can make for themselves and vilify the
> choices 2 or 3  internet individuals do not approve of.


   You wish.  It's actually thousands.



>
> How should people freely choose for themselves to invest and spend
> their $? Must they consult Rick Ross and his devotees  first? Please
> advise the world so they can no what the right choices are please.
> Thank-you.



I would start with something legitimate.  Perhaps, in your case,
remedial reading, English and a second language, or "Bonehead."  Maybe
Philosophy 101 at some community college.

If you wanted something in the same realm as the one Landmark pretends
to offer, some basic counselling from a licensed, educated
professional if you think of yourself as "troubled," or "stuck."  Or
Psychology 101 at the same community college.  Perhaps a comparative
religion course for beginners would suffice.  Then, maybe, a sales
training course like Dale Carnegie.  For communication (public
speaking), Toastmasters offers a terrific program for a few dollars
without the hidden "agenda."   You could always go back and read
"Think and Grow Rich," "Psychocybernetics," and "This is Scientology,"
if you wanted to deconstruct Landmark and discover for yourself the
roots of Werner Erhard's est.  Oh, and Mind Dynamics and its
derivations, of course.  (Hint, hint: pyramid scheme)

For the ~wisdom~ and ~special powers~ seekers, I'd recommend reading
Carlos Casteneda's books and then the "deconstruction" of his "outing"
as a charlatan.



Ellen

Re: Landmark "Auditing" (~Coaching~) Serena Nordstrup 5/22/12 4:58 AM
On May 19, 12:50 pm, tubby <btono...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On May 19, 6:09 am, Ellen <ellena...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > This deserves its own thread.
>
> > One wonders if the "coach's" first obligation is to the "client" or to
> > Landmark.  And how do they come to terms with that conflict in their
> > own mind.
>
> > Wat do they charge for this "service," Bruno?
>
> You liked the coaching bit . Yes!!!!!

I can't decide whether to classify this gem as wanton delusion or as
willful delusion...

> I bet you would like to try some

I bet wild horses couldn't dredge up a skerrick of enthusiasm

> but you just can't get yourself to
> accept it may
> work for you. The genteel baroness is probably frothing at the mouth
> in excitement also.
>
> Caligari told you what they charge for the service. I think its a bit
> steep but just like any
> product , the market will sort it out whether it survives or not.

Or the market will crash. Or distort. Or both. Not necessarily in that
order.

> I don't know whether the coach would be having any conflict, he or she
> most probably
> believes that the service they are providing works.

A poor excuse for ignoring potential conflict.

> Caligari may better answer that question because he was in the inner
> sanctum of the
> organisation and most probably knew the coaches at a more personal
> level.

.. and they haven't changed in personnel or in dedication since the
day ...

> However I think coaching in any situation is beneficial as it helps to
> direct you to your
> blind spots that you are not aware of.

I think direction to blind spots in any situation may cause loss of
focus and dissipation of ~commitment~.

>This information could be valuable if you decide to use it.

You may find any information useful whether or not you ~choose~ to use
it ...

> In a way we are all coaches here in this newsgroup,  some better than
> others.

... whereas outside of alt.fan.landmark we all just take action...

> Lots of anguish though which I find not very helpful.

Readers of alt.fan.landmark will long have noted your aversion to
things emotional, Bruno.

> But yes Ellen you and Baroness Nordstrup are coaches.

They became so at birth, but will wean themselves off this addiction
real soon now...

> The inspiring Patty in the  corner
> with his arms out ooozing love to all in the group  is our resident
> spiritual Coach.

No residencies! All freshly ~created~ posts open to all comers!

> Rick Ross is also a coach only he charges exorbitant fees to do his
> type of Coaching.

Mr Ross as a poster in alt.fan.landmark qualifies as a coach per your
strictures above. No fees involved.

> Is his coaching obligation to the client or is it to the so called
> Institute on the Net?????

No fees, no obligations.
~technology~ ?

> > Ellen

Re: Landmark "Auditing" (~Coaching~) Serena Nordstrup 5/22/12 5:09 AM
On May 20, 9:59 am, Ben Lewis <bentot1...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Sat, 19 May 2012 13:00:47 -0700 (PDT), patrick
>
Products such as the "free, in-person Introduction to The Landmark
Forum" ... -- http://www.landmarkeducation.com/attend_a_landmark_forum_introduction
Re: Landmark "Auditing" (~Coaching~) tubby 5/22/12 6:53 AM
On May 22, 9:58 pm, Serena Nordstrup <s_nordst...@my-deja.com> wrote:
> On May 19, 12:50 pm, tubby <btono...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On May 19, 6:09 am, Ellen <ellena...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > This deserves its own thread.
>
> > > One wonders if the "coach's" first obligation is to the "client" or to
> > > Landmark.  And how do they come to terms with that conflict in their
> > > own mind.
>
> > > Wat do they charge for this "service," Bruno?
>
> > You liked the coaching bit . Yes!!!!!
>
> I can't decide whether to classify this gem as wanton delusion or as
> willful delusion...

My  Baroness Norsdstrup, as your loyal servant  I am only bringing to
your attention
what I have discovered to be a latent desire of yours Yes?????

>
> > I bet you would like to try some
>
> I bet wild horses couldn't dredge up a skerrick of enthusiasm

Thats just you saying that because you are modest.
I know you love frothing at the mouth when these matters are raised
and so I urge you to take a bite.
It won't harm you and you may find out that you actually enjoy it.

>
> > but you just can't get yourself to
> > accept it may
> > work for you. The genteel baroness is probably frothing at the mouth
> > in excitement also.
>
> > Caligari told you what they charge for the service. I think its a bit
> > steep but just like any
> > product , the market will sort it out whether it survives or not.
>
> Or the market will crash. Or distort. Or both. Not necessarily in that
> order.

Does that really matter. We can all resort to bartering if need be.
The technology and the products won't disappear.


>
> > I don't know whether the coach would be having any conflict, he or she
> > most probably
> > believes that the service they are providing works.
>
> A poor excuse for ignoring potential conflict.
>
> > Caligari may better answer that question because he was in the inner
> > sanctum of the
> > organisation and most probably knew the coaches at a more personal
> > level.
>
> .. and they haven't changed in personnel or in dedication since the
> day ...
>
> > However I think coaching in any situation is beneficial as it helps to
> > direct you to your
> > blind spots that you are not aware of.
>
> I think direction to blind spots in any situation may cause loss of
> focus and dissipation of ~commitment~.

What. That "s bullshit Baroness

>
> >This information could be valuable if you decide to use it.
>
> You may find any information useful whether or not you ~choose~ to use
> it ...

So??


>
> > In a way we are all coaches here in this newsgroup,  some better than
> > others.
>
> ... whereas outside of alt.fan.landmark we all just take action...
>
> > Lots of anguish though which I find not very helpful.
>
> Readers of alt.fan.landmark will long have noted your aversion to
> things emotional, Bruno.
>
> > But yes Ellen you and Baroness Nordstrup are coaches.
>
> They became so at birth, but will wean themselves off this addiction
> real soon now...

Not that easy Baroness.
The frothing at the mouth gives you away!!
Re: Landmark "Auditing" (~Coaching~) Ben Lewis 5/22/12 7:48 AM
That's just the billboard showing the for-sale-product.  Costs nothing
to look at a billboard.

bentot
Re: Landmark "Auditing" (~Coaching~) Ellen 5/22/12 10:53 AM
On May 22, 7:48 am, Ben Lewis <bentot1...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Tue, 22 May 2012 05:09:49 -0700 (PDT), Serena Nordstrup
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> >Forum" ... --http://www.landmarkeducation.com/attend_a_landmark_forum_introduction
>
> That's just the billboard showing the for-sale-product.  Costs nothing
> to look at a billboard.
>
> bentot



No it's not.

It's more like the "Free Personality Test" that scientologists offer
on street corners that, of course, indicate you are in dire need of
scientology ~technology~ to fix the many aberrations they "discover."
And even more elite than "the Harvard Study," L. Ron used "the Oxford
Capacity Analysis" to recruit the gullible.

You know this is the first "cull."  Don't pretend not to.  The
doubtful, skeptical, cynical, or merely curious will be eliminated
early on.  This serves to preserve resources and concentrate the
cult's focus on those more easily influenced.


Ellen
Re: Landmark "Auditing" (~Coaching~) Sinead (Author) 5/22/12 11:05 AM

> No it's not.

Says you and a a few other Rick Ross devotees.



> It's more like the "Free Personality Test" that scientologists offer on street corners that, of course, indicate you are in dire need of scientology ~technology~ to fix the many aberrations they "discover."

That "more like" is only in your world Ellen. Everything you write is
about yourself.



>And even more elite than "the Harvard Study," L. Ron used "the Oxford Capacity Analysis" to recruit the gullible.

Only in your world Ellen. You position yourself as superior to other
people and call millions of people "gullible" as if that carries any
weight with anyone besides you and a few other Rick Ross devotees.


> You know this is the first "cull."

You know this because it is part of your world view Ellen. You and a
handful or Rick Ross devotees are alone in that view.



> Don't pretend not to.  The doubtful, skeptical, cynical, or merely curious will be eliminated early on.  This serves to preserve resources and concentrate the cult's focus on those more easily influenced.

Clearly you view yourself as being  superior and not gullible and
better than the millions of people you dismiss as dupes.

> Ellen

Re: Landmark "Auditing" (~Coaching~) Ellen 5/22/12 12:06 PM
Do you not know how cults work?


Ellen
Re: Landmark "Auditing" (~Coaching~) Sinead (Author) 5/22/12 12:45 PM

> Do you not know how cults work?
>
> Ellen

Do you mean how so called "cult" according to you and Rick Ross
"work"? I am not educated on all  of yours and Rick's pet "cults"
rules and "cult" criteria.
Re: Landmark "Auditing" (~Coaching~) patrick 5/22/12 3:53 PM
On Saturday, May 19, 2012 5:16:13 PM UTC-5, Sinead (Author) wrote:
> > landmark for sure will take your money and give u phone call
> > or two and teach u what to think.
> >
> > rofl
>
> It appears that the critics in alt.fan.landmark have some $ issues. It
> is ok to spend $2,000,000 on a luxury yacht, or $75,000 on lap dances
> or $15,000 on some high end home entertainment centre but not on
> training and development or education of any kind.

people in landmark are getting their minds trained to be and do
what landmark wants.

its so mainstream that people are willigly or so it seems giving
their money to a for profit organization to get their thoughts
rearanged.

people should never ever pay to have themselves ade to feel better
from a for profit organization.

i know u u dont see it but that is dangerous no matter what group
u do it with.




The locals want to
> dictate what choices people can make for themselves and vilify the
> choices 2 or 3  internet individuals do not approve of.
>
> How should people freely choose for themselves to invest and spend
> their $? Must they consult Rick Ross and his devotees  first? Please
> advise the world so they can no what the right choices are please.
> Thank-you.

u dont know the right choices, if u knew the right choices u wouldnt
be here doing that.

if a landmark grad was to run for public office, would u automatically
support them ? if u do the u live paralelling the way the right
wing christians live.

i dont recommend them either by the way.

they are just as vile and nasty as landmark.



Re: Landmark "Auditing" (~Coaching~) patrick 5/22/12 3:54 PM
sinead, do u believe that cults exist in some shape or fashion
other than and not including landmark.

Re: Landmark "Auditing" (~Coaching~) Sinead (Author) 5/22/12 5:54 PM
what i believe does not matter IMO , have a great evening Patrick.
Re: Landmark "Auditing" (~Coaching~) patrick 5/23/12 12:38 PM
On Tuesday, May 22, 2012 7:54:47 PM UTC-5, Sinead (Author) wrote:
> On May 22, 6:54 pm, patrick
>  wrote:
> > On Tuesday, May 22, 2012 2:45:08 PM UTC-5, Sinead (Author) wrote:
> > > > Do you not know how cults work?
> >
> > > > Ellen
> >
> > > Do you mean how so called "cult" according to you and Rick Ross
> > > "work"? I am not educated on all  of yours and Rick's pet "cults"
> > > rules and "cult" criteria.
> >
> > sinead, do u believe that cults exist in some shape or fashion
> > other than and not including landmark.
>
> what i believe does not matter IMO , have a great evening Patrick.

why would say what u believe does not matter.
explain where that became one of your beliefs.

tell us when u had an "aha" or whatever to take your thinking to this place.

Re: Landmark "Auditing" (~Coaching~) Serena Nordstrup 5/24/12 12:02 AM
On May 23, 1:53 am, tubby <btono...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On May 22, 9:58 pm, Serena Nordstrup <s_nordst...@my-deja.com> wrote:
>
> > On May 19, 12:50 pm, tubby <btono...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > On May 19, 6:09 am, Ellen <ellena...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > This deserves its own thread.
>
> > > > One wonders if the "coach's" first obligation is to the "client" or to
> > > > Landmark.  And how do they come to terms with that conflict in their
> > > > own mind.
>
> > > > Wat do they charge for this "service," Bruno?
>
> > > You liked the coaching bit . Yes!!!!!
>
> > I can't decide whether to classify this gem as wanton delusion or as
> > willful delusion...
>
> My  Baroness Norsdstrup, as your loyal servant  I am only bringing to
> your attention
> what I have discovered to be a latent desire of yours Yes?????

So why did you post your gem to someone else?

> > > I bet you would like to try some
>
> > I bet wild horses couldn't dredge up a skerrick of enthusiasm
>
> Thats just you saying that because you are modest.
> I know you love frothing at the mouth when these matters are raised
> and so I urge you to take a bite.

The more you claim to know, the greater my suspicions of the limits of
your knowledge...

> It won't harm you and you may find out that you actually enjoy it.
>
>
>
> > > but you just can't get yourself to
> > > accept it may
> > > work for you. The genteel baroness is probably frothing at the mouth
> > > in excitement also.
>
> > > Caligari told you what they charge for the service. I think its a bit
> > > steep but just like any
> > > product , the market will sort it out whether it survives or not.
>
> > Or the market will crash. Or distort. Or both. Not necessarily in that
> > order.
>
> Does that really matter.

Yes: we might need some more reliable mechanism to "sort it out".

> We can all resort to bartering if need be.

You'd still have a market.

> The technology and the products won't disappear.
>
>
>
> > > I don't know whether the coach would be having any conflict, he or she
> > > most probably
> > > believes that the service they are providing works.
>
> > A poor excuse for ignoring potential conflict.
>
> > > Caligari may better answer that question because he was in the inner
> > > sanctum of the
> > > organisation and most probably knew the coaches at a more personal
> > > level.
>
> > .. and they haven't changed in personnel or in dedication since the
> > day ...
>
> > > However I think coaching in any situation is beneficial as it helps to
> > > direct you to your
> > > blind spots that you are not aware of.
>
> > I think direction to blind spots in any situation may cause loss of
> > focus and dissipation of ~commitment~.
>
> What. That "s bullshit Baroness

Why do you suspect direction  to blind spots in any situation might
not cause loss of focus and dissipation of ~commitment~, Bruno?

> > >This information could be valuable if you decide to use it.
>
> > You may find any information useful whether or not you ~choose~ to use
> > it ...
>
> So??

So why the "if you decide to use it" tag ?

> > > In a way we are all coaches here in this newsgroup,  some better than
> > > others.
>
> > ... whereas outside of alt.fan.landmark we all just take action...
>
> > > Lots of anguish though which I find not very helpful.
>
> > Readers of alt.fan.landmark will long have noted your aversion to
> > things emotional, Bruno.
>
> > > But yes Ellen you and Baroness Nordstrup are coaches.
>
> > They became so at birth, but will wean themselves off this addiction
> > real soon now...
>
> Not that easy Baroness.
> The frothing at the mouth gives you away!!

Transformation, though. The Bible recommends it sometimes.
Re: Landmark "Auditing" (~Coaching~) Serena Nordstrup 5/24/12 12:06 AM
On May 23, 2:48 am, Ben Lewis <bentot1...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Tue, 22 May 2012 05:09:49 -0700 (PDT), Serena Nordstrup
>
> >Forum" ... --http://www.landmarkeducation.com/attend_a_landmark_forum_introduction
>
> That's just the billboard showing the for-sale-product.  Costs nothing
> to look at a billboard.

Three/four hours of indoctrination seems more than a billboard's-
worth...
Re: Landmark "Auditing" (~Coaching~) Serena Nordstrup 5/24/12 12:15 AM
On May 23, 6:05 am, "Sinead (Author)" <sineadaut...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > No it's not.
>
> Says you and a a few other Rick Ross devotees.

Name them. Quote them.

> > It's more like the "Free Personality Test" that scientologists offer on street corners that, of course, indicate you are in dire need of scientology ~technology~ to fix the many aberrations they "discover."
>
> That "more like" is only in your world Ellen.

Only? Scared that Ellen may convince someone?

> Everything you write is about yourself.

Everything? Even that list of references?

> >And even more elite than "the Harvard Study," L. Ron used "the Oxford Capacity Analysis" to recruit the gullible.
>
> Only in your world Ellen.

Only? Someone has refuted the idea that L. Ron used "the Oxford
Capacity Analysis" ?

> You position yourself as superior to other
> people and call millions of people "gullible" as if that carries any
> weight with anyone besides you and a few other Rick Ross devotees.
>
> > You know this is the first "cull."
>
> You know this because it is part of your world view Ellen. You and a
> handful or Rick Ross devotees are alone in that view.

Before Rick Ross existed, no "first culls" operated in rosenbergist
practice ?

> > Don't pretend not to.  The doubtful, skeptical, cynical, or merely curious will be eliminated early on.  This serves to preserve resources and concentrate the cult's focus on those more easily influenced.
>
> Clearly you view yourself as being  superior and not gullible and
> better than the millions of people you dismiss as dupes.

What in the quoted text clearly demonstrates Ellen's view of herself?

> Ellen

Re: Landmark "Auditing" (~Coaching~) tubby 5/24/12 6:22 AM
On May 24, 5:02 pm, Serena Nordstrup <s_nordst...@my-deja.com> wrote:
> On May 23, 1:53 am, tubby <btono...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > On May 22, 9:58 pm, Serena Nordstrup <s_nordst...@my-deja.com> wrote:
>
> > > On May 19, 12:50 pm, tubby <btono...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > On May 19, 6:09 am, Ellen <ellena...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > This deserves its own thread.
>
> > > > > One wonders if the "coach's" first obligation is to the "client" or to
> > > > > Landmark.  And how do they come to terms with that conflict in their
> > > > > own mind.
>
> > > > > Wat do they charge for this "service," Bruno?
>
> > > > You liked the coaching bit . Yes!!!!!
>
> > > I can't decide whether to classify this gem as wanton delusion or as
> > > willful delusion...
>
> > My  Baroness Norsdstrup, as your loyal servant  I am only bringing to
> > your attention
> > what I have discovered to be a latent desire of yours Yes?????
>
> So why did you post your gem to someone else?
>
> > > > I bet you would like to try some
>
> > > I bet wild horses couldn't dredge up a skerrick of enthusiasm
>
> > Thats just you saying that because you are modest.
> > I know you love frothing at the mouth when these matters are raised
> > and so I urge you to take a bite.
>
> The more you claim to know, the greater my suspicions of the limits of
> your knowledge...

Perhaps in regards to who you really are.

Whether you Baroness have any experience
or first hand knowledge about Landmark is also debatable.



>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > It won't harm you and you may find out that you actually enjoy it.
>
> > > > but you just can't get yourself to
> > > > accept it may
> > > > work for you. The genteel baroness is probably frothing at the mouth
> > > > in excitement also.
>
> > > > Caligari told you what they charge for the service. I think its a bit
> > > > steep but just like any
> > > > product , the market will sort it out whether it survives or not.
>
> > > Or the market will crash. Or distort. Or both. Not necessarily in that
> > > order.
>
> > Does that really matter.
>
> Yes: we might need some more reliable mechanism to "sort it out".
>
> > We can all resort to bartering if need be.
>
> You'd still have a market.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > The technology and the products won't disappear.
>
> > > > I don't know whether the coach would be having any conflict, he or she
> > > > most probably
> > > > believes that the service they are providing works.
>
> > > A poor excuse for ignoring potential conflict.


Just a mere opinion don't you think Baroness???


>
> > > > Caligari may better answer that question because he was in the inner
> > > > sanctum of the
> > > > organisation and most probably knew the coaches at a more personal
> > > > level.
>
> > > .. and they haven't changed in personnel or in dedication since the
> > > day ...
>
> > > > However I think coaching in any situation is beneficial as it helps to
> > > > direct you to your
> > > > blind spots that you are not aware of.
>
> > > I think direction to blind spots in any situation may cause loss of
> > > focus and dissipation of ~commitment~.

Really.
 May I ask for more clarification how you come to that viewpoint???

>
> > What. That "s bullshit Baroness
>
> Why do you suspect direction  to blind spots in any situation might
> not cause loss of focus and dissipation of ~commitment~, Bruno?

Will answer after you have clarified what you mean?
>
> > > >This information could be valuable if you decide to use it.
>
> > > You may find any information useful whether or not you ~choose~ to use
> > > it ...
>
> > So??
>
> So why the "if you decide to use it" tag ?

Because I know Muses are a  capricious lot  and with the  aristocratic
image you have to uphold
and  your genteel preference to playing to the crowd, namely Patty and
the passionate Ellen.
I thought a choice  for you would have been  lets say democratic??
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > > > In a way we are all coaches here in this newsgroup,  some better than
> > > > others.
>
> > > ... whereas outside of alt.fan.landmark we all just take action...
>
> > > > Lots of anguish though which I find not very helpful.
>
> > > Readers of alt.fan.landmark will long have noted your aversion to
> > > things emotional, Bruno.
>
> > > > But yes Ellen you and Baroness Nordstrup are coaches.
>
> > > They became so at birth, but will wean themselves off this addiction
> > > real soon now...
>
> > Not that easy Baroness.
> > The frothing at the mouth gives you away!!
>
> Transformation, though. The Bible recommends it sometimes.


Ah that' s where we can rely on Patty for his interpretation of what
the Bible
really says.

Sleep well my fair Baroness


>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > > > The inspiring Patty in the  corner
> > > > with his arms out ooozing love to all in the group  is our resident
> > > > spiritual Coach.
>
> > > No residencies! All freshly ~created~ posts open to all comers!
>
> > > > Rick Ross is also a coach only he charges exorbitant fees to do his
> > > > type of Coaching.
>
> > > Mr Ross as a poster in alt.fan.landmark qualifies as a coach per your
> > > strictures above. No fees involved.
>
> > > > Is his coaching obligation to the client or is it to the so called
> > > > Institute on the Net?????
>
> > > No fees, no obligations.
>
> > > > Why don't you ask him, he is a pal of yours?????
>
> > > > Are you coming to the Party with Ben and the gang???????
> > > > Maybe we could discuss it over a  few drinks??
>
> > > > Regards
>
> > > > > On May 18, 7:14 am, tubby <btono...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > PERSONAL COACHING
> > > > > >  Thank you for your participation in Landmark programmes.
> > > > > > In addition to the other offerings that are available to you through
> > > > > > Landmark, we would like to introduce you to Landmark Personal
> > > > > > Performance Coaching.
> > > > > > Personal Performance Coaching for Landmark Forum Graduates
> > > > > > Designed to reinforce and refine what you have already learned and to
> > > > > > support you in having breakthroughs in those areas of life that are
> > > > > > important to you, Landmark Personal Performance Coaching provides a
> > > > > > unique opportunity for living a life of your own design.
> > > > > > You will:
> > > > > > • Identify what matters most to you and establish powerful goals and
> > > > > > objectives for
> > > > > > realising them
> > > > > > • Add momentum to fulfilling on what you really want
> > > > > > • View challenges and opportunities through a different lens
> > > > > > • Experience full self-expression and aliveness in your day-to-day
> > > > > > life
> > > > > > Landmark Personal Performance Coaching is a custom tailored, one-to-
> > > > > > one service that deals with what you are at work on and is
> > > > > > conveniently delivered by phone at a time that works for you. More
> > > > > > If you have any questions or would like more information please visit
> > > > > > LandmarkPersonalCoaching.com. Or, you can call us at
> > > > > > +1-800-775-7110.
>
> > > > > Ackkkk!!!
>
> > > > > They're reverting to their roots.  Scientological roots, that is.
> > > > > Someone went back to ~Source.~  They realized there was lots of money
> > > > > left in the wallets of their dupes so, rather that a one-time,
> > > > > quickie, week-end ~enlightenment~ course, they should be offering
> > > > > ongoing "auditing" (just re-name it "coaching" and hope no one catches
> > > > > on).  Rather than a onetime fee, they could tap into the "revolving"
> > > > > fee thingie and get people on the treadmill, just the way ol' ElRon
> > > > > envisioned it.  Lots and lots of people are willing to pay to keep
> > > > > their Landmark going.  Some scientologists have paid for a lifetime.
>
> > > > > One wonders if they'll bring back the E-meter.  (Or some Landmark-
> > > > > branded facsimile.)
>
> > > > > Hey Bruno,
>
> > > > > Do they still call their hogwash (brainwashing) ~technology?~
>
> > > Hey Bruno, do they still call their hogwash (brainwashing)
> > > ~technology~ ?
>
> Hey Bruno, do they still call their hogwash (brainwashing)
> ~technology~ ?
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > > > > Ellen

Re: Landmark "Auditing" (~Coaching~) Serena Nordstrup 5/26/12 12:09 AM
On May 25, 1:22 am, tubby <btono...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On May 24, 5:02 pm, Serena Nordstrup <s_nordst...@my-deja.com> wrote:
>
> > On May 23, 1:53 am, tubby <btono...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > On May 22, 9:58 pm, Serena Nordstrup <s_nordst...@my-deja.com> wrote:
>
> > > > On May 19, 12:50 pm, tubby <btono...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > On May 19, 6:09 am, Ellen <ellena...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > This deserves its own thread.
>
> > > > > > One wonders if the "coach's" first obligation is to the "client" or to
> > > > > > Landmark.  And how do they come to terms with that conflict in their
> > > > > > own mind.
>
> > > > > > Wat do they charge for this "service," Bruno?
>
> > > > > You liked the coaching bit . Yes!!!!!
>
> > > > I can't decide whether to classify this gem as wanton delusion or as
> > > > willful delusion...
>
> > > My  Baroness Norsdstrup, as your loyal servant  I am only bringing to
> > > your attention
> > > what I have discovered to be a latent desire of yours Yes?????
>
> > So why did you post your gem to someone else?

So why did you post your gem to someone else, Bruno?

> > > > > I bet you would like to try some
>
> > > > I bet wild horses couldn't dredge up a skerrick of enthusiasm
>
> > > Thats just you saying that because you are modest.
> > > I know you love frothing at the mouth when these matters are raised
> > > and so I urge you to take a bite.
>
> > The more you claim to know, the greater my suspicions of the limits of
> > your knowledge...
>
> Perhaps in regards to who you really are.

I find the implication that something ~is~ really me weird if not
offensive.

Take a step backwards. How do you know that I "love frothing at the
mouth"?

> Whether you Baroness have any experience
> or first hand knowledge about Landmark is also debatable.

... and not worth debating, because of its irrelevance to discussions
on alt.fan.landmark

> > > It won't harm you and you may find out that you actually enjoy it.
>
> > > > > but you just can't get yourself to
> > > > > accept it may
> > > > > work for you. The genteel baroness is probably frothing at the mouth
> > > > > in excitement also.
>
> > > > > Caligari told you what they charge for the service. I think its a bit
> > > > > steep but just like any
> > > > > product , the market will sort it out whether it survives or not.
>
> > > > Or the market will crash. Or distort. Or both. Not necessarily in that
> > > > order.
>
> > > Does that really matter.
>
> > Yes: we might need some more reliable mechanism to "sort it out".
>
> > > We can all resort to bartering if need be.
>
> > You'd still have a market.
>
> > > The technology and the products won't disappear.
>
> > > > > I don't know whether the coach would be having any conflict, he or she
> > > > > most probably
> > > > > believes that the service they are providing works.
>
> > > > A poor excuse for ignoring potential conflict.
>
> Just a mere opinion don't you think Baroness???

No. Many bodies have rules for declaring/avoiding conflict of
interest. Think lawyers. Think pharmaceutical researchers...

> > > > > Caligari may better answer that question because he was in the inner
> > > > > sanctum of the
> > > > > organisation and most probably knew the coaches at a more personal
> > > > > level.
>
> > > > .. and they haven't changed in personnel or in dedication since the
> > > > day ...
>
> > > > > However I think coaching in any situation is beneficial as it helps to
> > > > > direct you to your
> > > > > blind spots that you are not aware of.
>
> > > > I think direction to blind spots in any situation may cause loss of
> > > > focus and dissipation of ~commitment~.
>
> Really.
>  May I ask for more clarification how you come to that viewpoint???

Distractions can militate against single-mindedness.

> > > What. That "s bullshit Baroness
>
> > Why do you suspect direction  to blind spots in any situation might
> > not cause loss of focus and dissipation of ~commitment~, Bruno?
>
> Will answer after you have clarified what you mean?

You wrote the phrases "direction  to blind spots"  and "in any
situation"  yourself. What needs clarification to you?

> > > > >This information could be valuable if you decide to use it.
>
> > > > You may find any information useful whether or not you ~choose~ to use
> > > > it ...
>
> > > So??
>
> > So why the "if you decide to use it" tag ?
>
> Because I know Muses are a  capricious lot  and with the  aristocratic
> image you have to uphold
> and  your genteel preference to playing to the crowd, namely Patty and
> the passionate Ellen.
> I thought a choice  for you would have been  lets say democratic??

You didn't write the  "if you decide to use it" tag  to me. Your
explanation doesn't hold water.

> > > > > In a way we are all coaches here in this newsgroup,  some better than
> > > > > others.
>
> > > > ... whereas outside of alt.fan.landmark we all just take action...
>
> > > > > Lots of anguish though which I find not very helpful.
>
> > > > Readers of alt.fan.landmark will long have noted your aversion to
> > > > things emotional, Bruno.
>
> > > > > But yes Ellen you and Baroness Nordstrup are coaches.
>
> > > > They became so at birth, but will wean themselves off this addiction
> > > > real soon now...
>
> > > Not that easy Baroness.
> > > The frothing at the mouth gives you away!!
>
> > Transformation, though. The Bible recommends it sometimes.
>
> Ah that' s where we can rely on Patty for his interpretation of what
> the Bible
> really says.

... as opposed to those things which the Bible says, but not
really ...
Hey Bruno, do ~landmark~ so-called ~education~ still call their
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