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Jennifer Lien news (please read). NY3Ranger 6/19/98 12:00 AM

i heard that she was not the perfect person to work with ... lateness, and
other factors got her the boot ... thats what i heard...

Jennifer Lien news (please read). Antony Alonso 6/19/98 12:00 AM

Hello Gabriel C. Koerner, on 19-Jun-98 10:54:05, you said,

>Both opinions are partially right. I know a lot of people close to Trek
>(no, I'm not "one of THOSE guys" with some deep-throat shadowy anonymous
>meet-me-in-the-allyway source), and as for Jen's sacking, it was in part
>lack of character development, as well as drug use affecting her work.

>Garrett Wang is also a nutorious late night partier/drinker/drug user,
>and Jen, although drugs did indeed affect her performance (forgetting
>lines, showing up late, etc.), she wasn't quite as bad as Garrett.

You'd better be careful here, friend. You could become the next victim of
the American Justice system saying this kind of stuff. I do not really
care if it's the case, but it's far better in being careful how you word
things. People, especially actors sue for defamation of character, libel,
slander, etc all the time. You chose to speak in authoratative terms
rather than a supposed theoretical.

>It could've been the People magazine thing, I dunno, but Garrett was
>selected for the guillotine, but eventually that honor went to Jennifer
>Lien.

>--Gabriel C. Koerner

My opinion is that axe should've swung BOTH ways, publicity be damned! :P


NightShade@Clarksburg.com


Jennifer Lien news (please read). Alex Chung 6/19/98 12:00 AM

Antony Alonso wrote:
>
> Hello Gabriel C. Koerner, on 19-Jun-98 10:54:05, you said,
>
> >Both opinions are partially right. I know a lot of people close to Trek
> >(no, I'm not "one of THOSE guys" with some deep-throat shadowy anonymous
> >meet-me-in-the-allyway source), and as for Jen's sacking, it was in part
> >lack of character development, as well as drug use affecting her work.

I believe that she was sacked due to character development.  The writers
wrote themselves into a corner when they said Kes was going to live for
8-9 years.  Besides, they never seemed to really know what to do with her
character.  I agree that her character was one of the more interesting
ones on that show, but obviously the 'writers' didn't know what to do
with her.  I really enjoyed the episode where Kes traveled back in time
from the future and she warns the captain about the Krenim, yet in the
Year of Hell, no one seems to remember her warnings when she's gone.

BTW, how far away are these people?  I remember that they were 80,000
lights years away.  And Kes moved them 10,000 lights years closer and
with all their travelling, they should be what, 50,000 lights years away
from Federation space?  Does this mean they can only travel 1,000 lights
years a year?  I thought that they could travel faster; didn't the
Enterprise travel that distance in a couple of months?

Jennifer Lien news (please read). Steve Christianson 6/20/98 12:00 AM

Alex Chung wrote in part:

>
> I really enjoyed the episode where Kes traveled back in time
> from the future and she warns the captain about the Krenim, yet in the
> Year of Hell, no one seems to remember her warnings when she's gone.

Yeah, that was a pretty obvious "Duh!"

Jennifer Lien news (please read). Dangermouse 6/20/98 12:00 AM

> Hello Gabriel C. Koerner, on 19-Jun-98 10:54:05, you said,
>
> >Both opinions are partially right. I know a lot of people close to Trek
> >(no, I'm not "one of THOSE guys" with some deep-throat shadowy anonymous
> >meet-me-in-the-allyway source), and as for Jen's sacking, it was in part
> >lack of character development, as well as drug use affecting her work.
>
> >Garrett Wang is also a nutorious late night partier/drinker/drug user,
> >and Jen, although drugs did indeed affect her performance (forgetting
> >lines, showing up late, etc.), she wasn't quite as bad as Garrett.

Actually no, that's merely the excuses they used to "persuade" her to go
quietly. Garrett's the one who was always late and never learned his lines.

Jennifer, I've subsequently discovered, almost certainly got picked for
having turned down Alexander Enberg's sexual advances. Enberg then runs off
to Mommy (Jeri Taylor) and the rest is history...


Jennifer Lien news (please read). Antony Alonso 6/20/98 12:00 AM

Hello Dangermouse, on 20-Jun-98 02:14:41, you said,

>> Hello Gabriel C. Koerner, on 19-Jun-98 10:54:05, you said,
>>
>> >Both opinions are partially right. I know a lot of people close to Trek
>> >(no, I'm not "one of THOSE guys" with some deep-throat shadowy anonymous
>> >meet-me-in-the-allyway source), and as for Jen's sacking, it was in part
>> >lack of character development, as well as drug use affecting her work.
>>
>> >Garrett Wang is also a nutorious late night partier/drinker/drug user,
>> >and Jen, although drugs did indeed affect her performance (forgetting
>> >lines, showing up late, etc.), she wasn't quite as bad as Garrett.

^ Just for the record: as the top indicates, I didn't write this part. In
your reply you left it off. Some people may get the wrong idea if I don't
clarify that and they don't bother to properly read things fully :P

>Actually no, that's merely the excuses they used to "persuade" her to go
>quietly. Garrett's the one who was always late and never learned his lines.

Are *ANY* of these people professionals?!

>Jennifer, I've subsequently discovered, almost certainly got picked for
>having turned down Alexander Enberg's sexual advances. Enberg then runs off
>to Mommy (Jeri Taylor) and the rest is history...

How does one address that subject? Something similar to this perhaps?

[Enberg]: Jeri, I'm really pissed off with Jennifer Lien. I've got it bad
          for her, but she won't in any way/shape/or form give it up :(

[Taylor]: That's ok, Alex; I've got some unresolved issues with people here
          trying to usurp my authoritarian power-hungry self. That's not my
          character, but by me ordering her removal it will serve to hurt
          one of my detractors.

[Enberg]: You're the greatest, Jeri!


BTW, the name of Alexander Enberg doesn't ring bells here. What role does
he have in Voyager's power heirarchy?

NightShade@Clarksburg.com


Jennifer Lien news (please read). Adrian Appleberry 6/20/98 12:00 AM

>BTW, the name of Alexander Enberg doesn't ring bells here. What role does
>he have in Voyager's power heirarchy?

He's that guy who plays that Vulcan who tried to rape Torres that one
time...  Maybe that's his real personality?

Jennifer Lien news (please read). Antony Alonso 6/20/98 12:00 AM

Hello Shaun Lucas, on 20-Jun-98 11:07:22, you said,

>As Dangermouse mentioned, Alexander Enberg is apparently Jeri Taylor's
>son. The rest is obvious.

>Nepotism. Sad, but true.

Jesus. The lack of professionalism astounds me.

NightShade@Clarksburg.com


Jennifer Lien news (please read). Antony Alonso 6/20/98 12:00 AM

Hello Adrian Appleberry, on 20-Jun-98 11:39:54, you said,

>He's that guy who plays that Vulcan who tried to rape Torres that one
>time...  Maybe that's his real personality?

He's Jeri's son *AND* he played the dreadful Vorik?!


NightShade@Clarksburg.com


Jennifer Lien news (please read). S.Knight 6/21/98 12:00 AM

Dangermouse wrote:

> Actually no, that's merely the excuses they used to "persuade" her to go
> quietly. Garrett's the one who was always late and never learned his lines.
>
> Jennifer, I've subsequently discovered, almost certainly got picked for
> having turned down Alexander Enberg's sexual advances. Enberg then runs off
> to Mommy (Jeri Taylor) and the rest is history...

You shouldn't believe everything you hear.

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Jennifer Lien news (please read). Ed Tang 6/22/98 12:00 AM

Antony Alonso (NightShade@Clarksburg.com) wrote:
: Hello Adrian Appleberry, on 20-Jun-98 11:39:54, you said,

: >He's that guy who plays that Vulcan who tried to rape Torres that one
: >time...  Maybe that's his real personality?

: He's Jeri's son *AND* he played the dreadful Vorik?!

He also played the Vulcan Taurik, and he played the newspaper boy in
Time's Arrow.

--
Ed Tang

Jennifer Lien news (please read). Dangermouse 6/22/98 12:00 AM


S.Knight <we...@concentric.net> wrote

> > Actually no, that's merely the excuses they used to "persuade" her to
go
> > quietly. Garrett's the one who was always late and never learned his
lines.
> >
> > Jennifer, I've subsequently discovered, almost certainly got picked for
> > having turned down Alexander Enberg's sexual advances. Enberg then runs
off
> > to Mommy (Jeri Taylor) and the rest is history...
>
> You shouldn't believe everything you hear.

Indeed not, but I have contributed to the show during season three, and
know several members of the cast and crew. This one is actually true.


Jennifer Lien news (please read). Dangermouse 6/22/98 12:00 AM


Antony Alonso <NightShade@Clarksburg.com> wrote in article
<257.475T2464T8292468@Clarksburg.com>...


> Hello Adrian Appleberry, on 20-Jun-98 11:39:54, you said,
>
> >He's that guy who plays that Vulcan who tried to rape Torres that one
> >time...  Maybe that's his real personality?
>
> He's Jeri's son *AND* he played the dreadful Vorik?!

Yep.

How do you think he got that job?

Jennifer Lien news (please read). Dangermouse 6/22/98 12:00 AM


Alex Chung <ale...@rph.net> wrote

> I believe that she was sacked due to character development.  The writers
> wrote themselves into a corner when they said Kes was going to live for
> 8-9 years.

Actually Ken Biller was building quite a good arc for her, and had got
round that...


Jennifer Lien news (please read). S.Knight 6/23/98 12:00 AM

"Dangermouse" <master@sol.co.ukDEATH-TO-SPAMMERS> wrote:

> Indeed not, but I have contributed to the show during season three,

Really? What contributions, if I ask.

> and know several members of the cast and crew. This one is actually
> true.

Who told you this?

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Jennifer Lien news (please read). Dangermouse 6/23/98 12:00 AM


S.Knight <we...@concentric.net> wrote in article
<6mn14o$u1h$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com>...


> "Dangermouse" <master@sol.co.ukDEATH-TO-SPAMMERS> wrote:
>
> > Indeed not, but I have contributed to the show during season three,
>
> Really? What contributions, if I ask.

<sheepish look>
Technobabble.

Oh, and the temporal incursion weapon in Year Of Hell (which was supposed
to be the third season cliffhanger)


 
> > and know several members of the cast and crew. This one is actually
> > true.
>
> Who told you this?

Ah... That one I can't answer, because I have no intention of getting
anyone else into trouble. Someone who knows Enberg quite well.


Jennifer Lien news (please read). Gidi Kroon 6/26/98 12:00 AM

The accused, "Dangermouse" <master@sol.co.ukDEATH-TO-SPAMMERS>, is charged
with the possession of illegal thoughts, according to article
<01bd9c19$4b4d1420$LocalHost@lgwujvnl>. I present exhibit A:

>Jennifer, I've subsequently discovered, almost certainly got picked for
>having turned down Alexander Enberg's sexual advances. Enberg then runs off
>to Mommy (Jeri Taylor) and the rest is history...

If this is true, it's even more nausiating than what we knew so far. Her
being a victim of the ratings war shows that the producers care more about
money than art; not that surprising. Her being a victim of petty squabbles
between producers is worse; they're a fact of life but the show should have
been more important than their ego's. But firing Jennifer because she
wouldn't sleep with the producer's son (if true) is, well, I just don't have
any words for it. It's bad. It's about as far away as you can get from
artistic integrity, viewer respect, etc. And isn't it illegal?
--
"You're a powerful little thing, aren't you?"

Jennifer Lien news (please read). Fronzel Neekburm 6/26/98 12:00 AM

Gidi Kroon wrote in message <3594230d...@news.nic.utwente.nl>...

> But firing Jennifer because she
>wouldn't sleep with the producer's son (if true) is, well, I just don't
have
>any words for it. It's bad. It's about as far away as you can get from
>artistic integrity, viewer respect, etc. And isn't it illegal?
>--
>"You're a powerful little thing, aren't you?"

It is, but I'm sure he came up with some other excuse to get her fired. he
probably reported every little thing she did, and since he knew his own
mother wasn't going to fire him for pestering her, she fired Jennifer.

Jennifer Lien news (please read). Jethwy 6/27/98 12:00 AM

>And isn't it illegal?

Well, yes.  But consider the humongous uphill battle she'd have to wage to win,
especially if the rumors of her onset and/or offset behavior had any amount of
truth to them.

Most of the nonHollywood world sees actors as whiny spoiled kids who bawl over
any slight, real or imagined, due to their massive egos.  True, not a valid
characterization, but it would make it difficult for Ms. Lien to prevail in
making such a charge.

And win or lose she would no longer have a career in mainstream Hollywood.

Side note:  I liked Kes and Jennifer's portrayal of her.  Her lacks, I felt,
were due to poor scripts and poor character development by TPTB, not due to Ms
Lien's abilities.


"No matter where you go, there you are."  BB

Jennifer Lien news (please read). Dangermouse 6/27/98 12:00 AM


Fronzel Neekburm <eya...@pacbell.net> wrote in article
<6n1vf8$3m1$1...@nnrp3.snfc21.pbi.net>...

Yes, as I said, Jeri was never that fond of her anyway, and there are
several other reasons (she was late for shooting on one occassion that I
know of - compared to Garrett who was late every week - and that Jeri
didn't find the character very interesting is also true.)

But investigations have shown that this was part of why she got picked over
Neelix, once Garrett was reprieved.


Jennifer Lien news (please read). Dangermouse 6/27/98 12:00 AM


Gidi Kroon <G.V....@el.utwente.nl> wrote


> If this is true, it's even more nausiating than what we knew so far. Her
> being a victim of the ratings war shows that the producers care more
about
> money than art; not that surprising. Her being a victim of petty
squabbles
> between producers is worse; they're a fact of life but the show should
have
> been more important than their ego's. But firing Jennifer because she

> wouldn't sleep with the producer's son (if true) is, well, I just don't
have
> any words for it. It's bad. It's about as far away as you can get from
> artistic integrity, viewer respect, etc. And isn't it illegal?

As I understand it, once Garrett was reprieved, John - Ethan Phillips - was
very afraid for his job, because his character wasn't (and isn't) popular
with the viewers or the rest of the producers, and even within the context
of the show he's outlived his usefulness when they passed beyond the region
of space that Neelix knows. (in fact that may have been laying the
groundwork to get rid of him)

But when they reported back for work for season 4, it emerged that Jeri had
pulled her co-creator's rank to get Jennifer picked. (They didn't actually
tell her until she returned to work after the hiatus, apparently).

Obviously there were other reasons as well (Jeri never liked her that much
- Janeway was her sole interest among the females), but this was a part of
it.


Jennifer Lien news (please read). David Varley 6/28/98 12:00 AM

Bloody disgusting.  I hope she gets some good roles somewhere else;  and I
thought the gut who played Vorik made a dreadful vulcan too.

>S.Knight <we...@concentric.net> wrote
>> > Actually no, that's merely the excuses they used to "persuade" her to
>go
>> > quietly. Garrett's the one who was always late and never learned his
>lines.
>> >
>> > Jennifer, I've subsequently discovered, almost certainly got picked for
>> > having turned down Alexander Enberg's sexual advances. Enberg then runs
>off
>> > to Mommy (Jeri Taylor) and the rest is history...


Jennifer Lien news (please read). Neil Fraser 6/29/98 12:00 AM

Antony Alonso (NightShade@Clarksburg.com) wrote:
: Hello Gabriel C. Koerner, on 19-Jun-98 10:54:05, you said,

: >Both opinions are partially right. I know a lot of people close to Trek
: >(no, I'm not "one of THOSE guys" with some deep-throat shadowy anonymous
: >meet-me-in-the-allyway source), and as for Jen's sacking, it was in part
: >lack of character development, as well as drug use affecting her work.

: >Garrett Wang is also a nutorious late night partier/drinker/drug user,
: >and Jen, although drugs did indeed affect her performance (forgetting
: >lines, showing up late, etc.), she wasn't quite as bad as Garrett.

: You'd better be careful here, friend. You could become the next victim of


: the American Justice system saying this kind of stuff. I do not really
: care if it's the case, but it's far better in being careful how you word
: things. People, especially actors sue for defamation of character, libel,
: slander, etc all the time. You chose to speak in authoratative terms
: rather than a supposed theoretical.

: >It could've been the People magazine thing, I dunno, but Garrett was
: >selected for the guillotine, but eventually that honor went to Jennifer
: >Lien.

: >--Gabriel C. Koerner

: My opinion is that axe should've swung BOTH ways, publicity be damned! :P


: NightShade@Clarksburg.com

I seriously don't think that these people would like what you are saying
about these people behind their backs.  It may be the truth -- but you
need not broadcast it and go public.  Everybody has a vice -- but the
vices of normal people are seldom known.  Therefore you must realize that
these people are still, deep down, perfectly normal, and you must strive
to treat them as normal people.  Thus if somebody has an addiction or a
problem, broadcasting it in that light is injustly tarnishing their
reputations.  

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Jennifer Lien news (please read). XMacLeodx 6/30/98 12:00 AM

I really do think our old nemisis is back.  

He just couldn't stand not having the attention.

I know I shouldn't have, but you have to admit, it was funny.

Jennifer Lien news (please read). Antony Alonso 6/30/98 12:00 AM

Hello Neil Fraser, on 29-Jun-98 17:55:02, you said,

>I seriously don't think that these people would like what you are saying
>about these people behind their backs.  It may be the truth -- but you
>need not broadcast it and go public.  Everybody has a vice -- but the
>vices of normal people are seldom known.  Therefore you must realize that
>these people are still, deep down, perfectly normal, and you must strive
>to treat them as normal people.  Thus if somebody has an addiction or a
>problem, broadcasting it in that light is injustly tarnishing their
>reputations.  

You have a serious issue with fully reading and comprehending posts and
the relevant material to be garnered out of them. Run along now... or try
to post something *PROLIFIC* for once in your life.

*I* wasn't the source of that information, I merely replied to it. As for
veracity, the original poster was Gabriel C. Koerner (don't know him), but
this has been admitted and acknowledged by a some-time contributor to the
Trek universe (Dangermouse).

NightShade@Clarksburg.com


Jennifer Lien news (please read). Miss_...@my-dejanews.com 6/30/98 12:00 AM


> I really do think our old nemisis is back.
>
> He just couldn't stand not having the attention.
>

No, he's not. He left the group. He deleted it from his reader. This, I know.
He's not back. He is gone for good. I would know if he were back, and trust
me, I'd try to stop him from coming back if he were thinking about it. I
don't want the flame wars to start again.

You know - you can't say that everyone that bothers you is Tom in disguise. No
offense intended, but he IS gone.

-Miss Parker

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Jennifer Lien news (please read). Jethwy 7/1/98 12:00 AM

And yet Miss Parker, if he were gone, why did he respond to my post asking a
technical question?

I did not submit the idea that Tom and Mr Fraser were the same.  I admit that
two (2) people posted that speculation, at which point Tom just jumped in and
mocked and belittled everyone in the newsgroup, including those who may have
joined since he "left" the newsgroup.

He may have told you that he left, but he obviously still lurks here and
intends to keep posting.  Apparently Tom is not listening to your request that
he not be in this newsgroup.

Perhaps this time you can ask him to promise you to leave, since he won't honor
any statements to the newsgroup or the chat group to stay away.


"No matter where you go, there you are."  BB

Jennifer Lien news (please read). Paul Foley 7/1/98 12:00 AM

"David Varley" <dav...@ozemail.com.au> wrote:
>Bloody disgusting.  I hope she gets some good roles somewhere else;  


Watch for her in the upcoming film "American History X" (New Line
Cinema), due to be released in November.

Also "SLC Punk", an independent film produced by Jan DeBont ("Twister",
"Speed").  "SLC Punk" is about the punk scene in Salt Lake City
in the 80's.  Yes, Lien plays a punk, black hair, Doc Martins
and all...!


                             --Paul


Jennifer Lien news (please read). Richard Van Fossan 7/1/98 12:00 AM

It's called sexual harrasment, and it is, nominally, illegal in the US, if
it can be proven.

Rich

Gidi Kroon wrote in message <3594230d...@news.nic.utwente.nl>...
>The accused, "Dangermouse" <master@sol.co.ukDEATH-TO-SPAMMERS>, is charged
>with the possession of illegal thoughts, according to article
><01bd9c19$4b4d1420$LocalHost@lgwujvnl>. I present exhibit A:
>
>>Jennifer, I've subsequently discovered, almost certainly got picked for
>>having turned down Alexander Enberg's sexual advances. Enberg then runs
off
>>to Mommy (Jeri Taylor) and the rest is history...
>
>If this is true, it's even more nausiating than what we knew so far. Her
>being a victim of the ratings war shows that the producers care more about
>money than art; not that surprising. Her being a victim of petty squabbles
>between producers is worse; they're a fact of life but the show should have
>been more important than their ego's. But firing Jennifer because she
>wouldn't sleep with the producer's son (if true) is, well, I just don't
have
>any words for it. It's bad. It's about as far away as you can get from
>artistic integrity, viewer respect, etc. And isn't it illegal?
>--
>"You're a powerful little thing, aren't you?"

Jennifer Lien news (please read). Patrick D. Rockwell 7/1/98 12:00 AM

Neil Fraser wrote:

> Antony Alonso (NightShade@Clarksburg.com) wrote:
> : Hello Gabriel C. Koerner, on 19-Jun-98 10:54:05, you said,
>
> : >Both opinions are partially right. I know a lot of people close to Trek
> : >(no, I'm not "one of THOSE guys" with some deep-throat shadowy anonymous
> : >meet-me-in-the-allyway source), and as for Jen's sacking, it was in part
> : >lack of character development, as well as drug use affecting her work.
>
> : >Garrett Wang is also a nutorious late night partier/drinker/drug user,
> : >and Jen, although drugs did indeed affect her performance (forgetting
> : >lines, showing up late, etc.), she wasn't quite as bad as Garrett.
>
> : You'd better be careful here, friend. You could become the next victim of
> : the American Justice system saying this kind of stuff. I do not really
> : care if it's the case, but it's far better in being careful how you word
> : things. People, especially actors sue for defamation of character, libel,
> : slander, etc all the time. You chose to speak in authoratative terms
> : rather than a supposed theoretical.
>
> : >It could've been the People magazine thing, I dunno, but Garrett was
> : >selected for the guillotine, but eventually that honor went to Jennifer
> : >Lien.
>
> : >--Gabriel C. Koerner
>
> : My opinion is that axe should've swung BOTH ways, publicity be damned! :P
>
> : NightShade@Clarksburg.com
>
> I seriously don't think that these people would like what you are saying
> about these people behind their backs.  It may be the truth -- but you
> need not broadcast it and go public.  Everybody has a vice -- but the
> vices of normal people are seldom known.  Therefore you must realize that
> these people are still, deep down, perfectly normal, and you must strive
> to treat them as normal people.  Thus if somebody has an addiction or a
> problem, broadcasting it in that light is injustly tarnishing their
> reputations.
>
> --
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> (the 13th guest)                |
>                                 |
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I've heard both sides of the story regarding drug & alcohol abuse by Jennifer
Lien, and I refuse
to believe that she did take drugs.

--
Patrick D. Rockwell
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Jennifer Lien news (please read). john kelley 7/2/98 12:00 AM

 But firing Jennifer because she
>>wouldn't sleep with the producer's son (if true) is, well, I just don't
>have
>>any words for it. It's bad. It's about as far away as you can get from
>>artistic integrity, viewer respect, etc. And isn't it illegal?
>>--
Yes,it is. Jen has a good case against Jeri LaVey.


Blacklist Jeri LaVey..er Taylor was Re: Jennifer Lien news john kelley 7/2/98 12:00 AM

The way she treated Jennifer Lien,she should never work again!


Jennifer Lien news (please read). Jonathan Wells 7/6/98 12:00 AM

On Wed, 01 Jul 1998 20:45:59 GMT, "Patrick D. Rockwell"
<proc...@thegrid.net> wrote:

>I've heard both sides of the story regarding drug & alcohol abuse by Jennifer
>Lien, and I refuse
>to believe that she did take drugs.

why not?


Jennifer Lien news (please read). Steve Christianson 7/6/98 12:00 AM

Jethwy wrote:
>
> I remember the Love Boat (dumb show I know but I had the hots for Lauren Tewes
> {Julie the cruise director})
>
> For the first 2 years they couldn't find a tight enough pullover shirt to put
> on that woman.  Suddenly, the last few seasons she was on, she was always in
> frump suits and her face wasn't as thin as before either.
>
> Then I found out she had been doing coke for years.  They canned her "after"
> she quit doing coke and her weight zoomed up.  TPTB knew all along about her
> problem; its just that when it affected her appearance due to her quitting
> using it, then they canned her "due to a drug related problem."
>
> So, I can believe a young attractive woman in Hollywood could be using drugs;
> it is apparently as common at parties as Perrier viss a tvist dahling.
>
> But I find the sexual harrassment angle a more plausible reason and a more
> likely story than that she used drugs.

Or it could be something mundane like an attitude problem, contract
dispute, or decision by TPTB to clear some deadwood out of the way
before Jeri's entrance. The latter is my guess: four female "babe
factors" on the show would be a bit much. Further, they could always
recycle her in guest episodes: there are rumors of an "evil Kes" episode
coming up.

Jennifer Lien news (please read). Jethwy 7/7/98 12:00 AM

I remember the Love Boat (dumb show I know but I had the hots for Lauren Tewes
{Julie the cruise director})

For the first 2 years they couldn't find a tight enough pullover shirt to put
on that woman.  Suddenly, the last few seasons she was on, she was always in
frump suits and her face wasn't as thin as before either.

Then I found out she had been doing coke for years.  They canned her "after"
she quit doing coke and her weight zoomed up.  TPTB knew all along about her
problem; its just that when it affected her appearance due to her quitting
using it, then they canned her "due to a drug related problem."

So, I can believe a young attractive woman in Hollywood could be using drugs;
it is apparently as common at parties as Perrier viss a tvist dahling.

But I find the sexual harrassment angle a more plausible reason and a more
likely story than that she used drugs.

"No matter where you go, there you are."  BB

Jennifer Lien news (please read). Paul Foley 7/7/98 12:00 AM

For one thing, it's uncivil to believe nasty, anonomous, and unfounded  
rumors about someone.


Jennifer Lien news (please read). !_daßurrð 7/7/98 12:00 AM
In article <6ns55f$j...@bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net>, Paul Foley <paul...@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
-|>   Tulwinn@OBVIOUSmindless.com (Jonathan Wells) wrote:
-|>   >On Wed, 01 Jul 1998 20:45:59 GMT, "Patrick D. Rockwell"
-|>   ><proc...@thegrid.net> wrote:
-|>   >
-|>   >>I've heard both sides of the story regarding drug & alcohol abuse by
-|>    Jennifer
-|>   >>Lien, and I refuse
-|>   >>to believe that she did take drugs.
-|>   >
-|>   >why not?
-|>   >
-|>  
-|>   For one thing, it's uncivil to believe nasty, anonomous, and unfounded  
-|>   rumors about someone.
-|>  


haha ,  you people are a riot...

still rofling...


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Jennifer Lien news (please read). Hesse 7/7/98 12:00 AM
something in this laugh sounds disturbingly familiar

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Jennifer Lien news (please read). Hesse 7/7/98 12:00 AM

Jonathan Wells wrote:

> On Wed, 01 Jul 1998 20:45:59 GMT, "Patrick D. Rockwell"
> <proc...@thegrid.net> wrote:
>
> >I've heard both sides of the story regarding drug & alcohol abuse by Jennifer
> >Lien, and I refuse
> >to believe that she did take drugs.
>
> why not?

Personally, I find all the conjecture pretty pointless. It's easy to believe the
worst in people, so why is it so hard to believe anything good? If she has an
addiction problem, she is to be pitied.....if not, all the discussion is
meaningless. In either case, gossip hurts all it touches - those who are its
subject, and those who spread it.


Jennifer Lien news (please read). God Of Tapes 7/7/98 12:00 AM
I think Lien was let go simply because there wasn't very much they could
do with Kes. She was part Deanna Troi, part Spock, but, if nothing else,
her short life span pretty much put the kiss of death on the character.
VOYAGER needed someone aboard who wasn't " Starfleet issue ", who would
basically follow her own directives at times, instead of Janeway's. You
would think the Maqui crew members, especially Torres, would have fit that
bill, but they all eventually fell into line.

So out with Kes, in with Seven of Nine and it seems to have worked. I
waited a long time for someone to tell Janeway, as Seven did last week,
that following Starfleet directives isn't always the answer.

Jennifer Lien news (please read). Dangermouse 7/8/98 12:00 AM

God Of Tapes <te...@uclink4.berkeley.edu> wrote in article
<tegan-07079...@admin19.oor.berkeley.edu>...


> I think Lien was let go simply because there wasn't very much they could
> do with Kes.

No, but again, I'm sure TPTB will thank you for believing their excuses.

> her short life span pretty much put the kiss of death on the character.

Except that Before And After was designed to address that very problem...

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