Out of curiosity, how much were costs for the TINA zine fair last year?
On Tuesday, 21 August 2012 18:42:32 UTC+10, Vanessa Berry wrote:
Yes, I think TINA has had a lot of its funding cut, according to the person I was in contact with today, so this would explain the increase in costs - although the market is being organised by an events company called Fixx Events, rather than volunteers. Thanks Paul and Ianto for breaking down the costs from your experience, if TiNA were more transparent about where the $45 was going I'd be able to judge the situation with more clarity. I worry about my $45 going to fund the extra "x" in Fixx.
As for insurance, in the past few years you've been able to join the Octopod and be included in their insurance, but this wasn't offered this year, so perhaps it isn't available. I think it's this even more so than the increase in the stall fee, which is offputting to people, and it will change the character of the market and make it more professional.
Perhaps this is now an opportunity for more DIY zine events to be organised. And yes, maybe people will choose Adelaide over Newcastle this year.
I'm old and whinge-prone, so... back in my day (yes, roughly 10 years
ago) the festivals did have to fork out a lot of TINA money for public
liability insurance. As I recall, this was why the TINA umbrella was
useful, because it was able to (with funds from local council and
other sources, plus in-kind support) pay for or arrange venues, and
cover the cost of insurance. This meant the festivals could put their
funds into paying for participant travel or accommodation, and
ensuring that people didn't have to pay for a patch of space at the
Maybe the TINA umbrella/fund is gone now, and so this changes things
considerably. I don't know. Perhaps a zine fair or TINA organiser can
In 2003 we asked for zinester donations (zines and/or money), but this
was not compulsory. Yes it's 9 years ago, but still, I think there's
room for an argument that the money-making bits of the festival should
fund the bits that are important but not lucrative (i.e. zine fairs).
Without such arrangements both zinesters and 'zine shoppers' miss out
on things. The zinesters may not get to participate, and the readers
will be mourning the lack of unprofessional material. As we know,
having to pay for something does deter participation. And asking for
free participation is not just about whingeing for free rides, it's
actually arguing that there are some practices we'd like to preserve,
encourage, and protect from becoming 'financially viable' in ways that
many of us don't want them to be.
I wouldn't pay $45 for a stall because I wouldn't make $45. Perhaps if
I quadrupled the price of my zines and started calling them art books
I'd be better adjusted to 'zine culture 2012'? :p
(webgroup posting... feels like ten years ago already)
On 21 August 2012 13:18, John Stevens <jas...@gmail.com> wrote:
> $45? That's appalling. Charging at all is a drag, though
> understandable in some instances. The fact that that fee doesn't cover
> the insurance is the real nail in the coffin. How many people could
> expect to make that cost back, not to mention the affiliated travel
> costs? Are Adelaide charging for their one a week later? Something
> tells me there should be a push to head in that direction instead of
> TiNA, though I know there's plenty else that's drawing people up to
> Will be interested to hear what others have to say, too. Can't say
> many folk'll be understanding.
> On Tue, Aug 21, 2012 at 11:32 AM, Vanessa Berry
> <vanessab...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Hi Zine Folks,
>> The zines stalls at the TiNA fair this year are $45, plus you need your own
>> public liability insurance - what do you think about this? Is is affecting
>> your decision to have a stall or to attend TiNA? I wrote to the organisers
>> about it and they told me "It's not the TiNA of ten years ago" - so I am
>> trying not to feel too much like an old whinger. Still, I think it's
>> discouraging and kind of kills the zine community aspect of the fair, which
>> was what was good about it in the first place.
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