yes, the Vase of the Seven Gods is discussed in our paper. Since I am writing my Ph.D. dissertation about a possible cognitive approach to god concepts in Classic Maya culture (I meanwhile prefer the designation "counterintuitive agents", gods, deities, ghost are european concepts and phenomenology of religion is dead!!) - the main topic of my research is the study of K'UH in all its contexts - I agree with Dave that the representation of deities are not refering to an individual, specific agent, but to a group of agents that are related with the object, subject, place expressed in their name phrase: CHAB, CHAN, IK' "JEWEL" TAN. My list of X-K'UH is still growing. The latter one is interesting: it is a group of deities associated with IK' "JEWEL" TAN - the place of origin (one of the place or course) in the Palenque Creation texts. A study of all context reveals that in each group of agents, we find a specific number of individual agents identifiable with their proper name, as for example the 3 agents of the Palenque Triade - variations of that concepts can be found in Caracol and elsewhere, a more intense discussion will follow in my dissertation.
Kawil wrote: > Dear Christian and Justin, > > Christian -- thanks for the reference. I will be very interested to > read the newly published paper. > > Justin, yes the Bolon Yookte'' K'uh glyph is in both texts (Vases of > Seven Gods and Eleven Gods). Perhaps Christian and Marcus have > addressed this in their paper, but I think that the god names listed on > these two Naranjo vessels are best seen as categories or groupings of > gods. We already find these three transparent collective terms for the > gods who are "ordered" on 4 Ajaw 8 Kumk'u (leaving out the ones that > are hard to analyze): > > Chan-al K'uh, "the heavenly gods" > Kab-al K'uh, "the earrthly gods" > Ux ? K'uh (the Triad title), "the three ? gods" > > So, I simply wonder if Bolon Yookte' K'uh can be seen as a similar > gouping of nine deities, even if these get to be collapsed as a more > individual entity (a very mesoamerican concept of divinity, we know). > certainly the impersonation of Bolon Yookte' K'uh by rulers, as on that > Bonampak-area panel or stela, implies a more concrete individual. The > question becomes: how do the "sets" of gods on the naranjo vessels > correspond to the portraits? I have long been bothered by this, for > there is no neat correlation between name glyph and image. The newer > Vase oif the Eleven Gods makes this ambiguity all the more obvious. I > suspect that what we are seeing are potraits of one or more > "representatives" of the sets, such that the artist could pick and > choose from quite a variety. > > - Dave