Is it ok to discuss OpenZFS/ZFS-OSX here?

[Robert Rehnmark]

Is it ok to discuss OpenZFS/ZFS-OSX here?

I joined to IRC channel but when panicking and posting logs/screendumps I guess IRC isn't very practical.

I'm panicking on boot with one of my Mavericks 10.9.1 installations.

/Robert

[Jason Belec]

Actually it is practical on iirc, use Pastebin, then everyone on iirc can compare with the other testor errors.

The only reason you might be having a crash I can think of, is third party modules, you have set a script to run at boot that is not properly configured. I have yet to have any development version not boot easily and without issue on every 10.9 version.

Have you Safe Booted to see? Hold 'shift' key while booting to only get the OS.

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[Robert Rehnmark]

Ok, I'm just not that used to IIRC. I will look into it.

I'm running it all on a hackintosh.

I will make another try and start over with the working installation + ZFS and then add stuff one by one and rebooting in between until I have set it up the way I like it instead of transferring my user data/settings/etc. all at once.

It's the right way to set up a new system anyways... 

Simple transfer of everything = transfer/worsening of problems too. :)

/Robert

[Jason Belec]

Smart man.

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[Daniel Bethe]

On Friday, 28 February 2014, 3:49, Robert Rehnmark <xca...@gmail.com> wrote:

Is it ok to discuss OpenZFS/ZFS-OSX here?

I joined to IRC channel but when panicking and posting logs/screendumps I guess IRC isn't very practical.

Hey there Robert.  It's called the MacZFS prototype, hopefully soon to be beta, and the relevant mailing list is here:

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/maczfs-devel

Thanks!

[Daniel Jozsef]

There has been no activity on that mailing list in about 3 months! I'd say this is an indication that MacZFS was dead dead dead, were it not for the apparently frequent check-ins to Github.

Can anyone enlighten me what exactly is happening to this list? Is there a new and better channel of comms for the dev community? Has it been abandoned? The drop from a regular stream of activity to ghost town mode in December seems rather abrupt.

[Jorgen Lundman]

I'm still working, doing code. Plenty people helping. I want to get a ReleaseCandidate installer out this week. Plenty distractions going around, but I've persevered!

That aside, there should be a post going to devel list real soon for those who would like to help try it.

[Bjoern Kahl]

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Am 28.02.14 17:28, schrieb Daniel Jozsef:

> There has been no activity on that mailing list in about 3 months!
> I'd say this is an indication that MacZFS was dead dead dead, were
> it not for the apparently frequent check-ins to Github.

As Lund already said, there is indeed a lot of development going on for
the new MacZFS prototype, also known as ZFS-OSX.

There is less work happening to the current stable MacZFS, which saw
its last 74.3.3 release two weeks ago. It is currently in maintenance
& bug fix-only mode, due to the focus on the new prototype version.

> Can anyone enlighten me what exactly is happening to this list? Is
> there a new and better channel of comms for the dev community? Has
> it been abandoned? The drop from a regular stream of activity to
> ghost town mode in December seems rather abrupt.

We have two mailing lists:

zfs-...@googlegroups.com:

The main list for all users to asks for help, discuss features, or
chat about anything else related to ZFS on Mac.

While you are right there was too much silents in recent days, I felt
it more like a gradual decline that reached near-zero in January than
an abrupt stop.

Out of curiosity, I did a quick statistic:
5 active topics in August 2013, 4 active topics in September, 9 in
October, 5 in November, 7 in December 2013, 1 in January 2014, 10 in
February. Looks like we gain momentum again.


maczfs...@googlegroups.com:

The main development list, originally meant to discuss the new
prototype version and coordinate development between those involved.
Unfortunately, most contributors other than Lund left last summer, so
MacZFS-devel is dead, at least until development returns to the more
collaborative model it had in spring 2013.

Currently, almost all communication regarding the new prototype MacZFS
takes place in our IRC channel #mac-zfs at irc.freenode.net or
http://webchat.freenode.net/
Of course, IRC, being an interactive protocol and as such a volatile
form of communication, is not a good replacement for a lively mailing
list in my opinion, but it is probably your best bet at the moment.

I would much love to see MacZFS-devel revived and more people return,
but there is little I can do.


Best regards

Björn

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[Daniel Jozsef]

That's cool. It would have been a shame if after ZEVO, OpenZFS for Mac went under as well.

[Wood C. C.]

All,

Last September following the announcement of OpenZFS on OSX (aka “O3X”), the interchange below appeared on this list.

Can someone with both O3X and MacZFS experience provide us an update on the status of O3X and its advantages and disadvantages relative to the current MacZFS (74.3.3)?

Very much appreciated,

Chris

> From: Alex Blewitt <alex.b...@gmail.com>
> Subject: [zfs-macos] Announcement - OpenZFS
> Date: September 17, 2013 at 1:07:10 PM MDT
> To: zfs-...@googlegroups.com
> Reply-To: zfs-...@googlegroups.com
>
> http://www.open-zfs.org/wiki/Announcement
>
> This could be interesting.
>
> Alex
>
> On Sep 22, 2013, at 5:14 AM, Graham Perrin <graham...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> OpenZFS is all good!
>>
>> Today, a little edition to the OS X subsection of the Wikipedia page for ZFS. A highlight –
>>
>> > The 17th September 2013 launch of OpenZFS included ZFS-OSX, which will become a new version of MacZFS, as the distribution for Darwin.
>>
>> – the positioning under Darwin, not under OS X, reflects the OpenZFS emphasis on open-source.
>>
>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=ZFS&oldid=574025731> for that edition. Further editions will be welcomed, in particular:
>>
>> a) the Wikipedia table of comparisons does not reflect the capabilities of ZFS-OSX
>>
>> b) more generally, histories (including but not limited to what's in the OS X subsection) could be moved to the uppermost history section.
>>
>> With an emphasis on open-source, at <http://open-zfs.org/wiki/History> the history presented by OpenZFS is pleasantly condensed, compared to the histories in Wikipedia.
>>
>> Alongside that potted history, I love that most aspects of the OpenZFS site are future-focused.
>>
>> Last but not least, a page that was not obvious when OpenZFS was first announced:
>>
>> <http://open-zfs.org/wiki/FAQ>
>>
>> … it's remarkable that so few questions arose following the launch. I like to think that the clarity now is a natural product of all the positive collaborations in the weeks, months and years before the launch :-)

[ilov...@icloud.com]

Questions about OpenZFS on OS X are better asked in the OpenZFS on OS X forum:

https://openzfsonosx.org/forum/

Information about OpenZFS on OS X can be found on the wiki:

https://openzfsonosx.org/wiki/

In my opinion, there are no advantages to using MacZFS.

[Jason Belec]

Well the info then and now would be quite a bit different as things are actively being developed. ;)

The old works, just feature frozen for years. It's limitations are well documented. The announcement version in September had been updated once or twice I believe since then and I run it on several systems. I also run daily build on two real world systems because I like horror movies.

The new, everything everyone else has in ZFS currently with a few tiny exceptions. I don't have the details in a nice list, but a few of the new things drastically reduced my workload and were in my opinion well worth upgrading. Many of the issues with our past stable feature frozen version that gave me a headache are gone. No data has been harmed or lost in the mad science lab or in the wild with my clients. Knock on wafer board. ;)

Why not test it on an external drive and let us know if your priorities find a little bug to squash? You have a ZFS RAID shirt for bugs, right?

Or ask pointed questions....

Jason
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> On May 21, 2014, at 12:46 PM, "Wood C. C." <wood.c...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> All,
>
> Last September following the announcement of OpenZFS on OSX (aka "O3X"), the interchange below appeared on this list.
>
> Can someone with both O3X and MacZFS experience provide us an update on the status of O3X and its advantages and disadvantages relative to the current MacZFS (74.3.3)?
>
> Very much appreciated,
>
> Chris
>
>> From: Alex Blewitt <alex.b...@gmail.com>
>> Subject: [zfs-macos] Announcement - OpenZFS
>> Date: September 17, 2013 at 1:07:10 PM MDT
>> To: zfs-...@googlegroups.com
>> Reply-To: zfs-...@googlegroups.com
>>
>> http://www.open-zfs.org/wiki/Announcement
>>
>> This could be interesting.
>>
>> Alex
>>
>>> On Sep 22, 2013, at 5:14 AM, Graham Perrin <graham...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> OpenZFS is all good!
>>>

>>> Today, a little edition to the OS X subsection of the Wikipedia page for ZFS. A highlight -

>>>
>>>> The 17th September 2013 launch of OpenZFS included ZFS-OSX, which will become a new version of MacZFS, as the distribution for Darwin.
>>>

>>> - the positioning under Darwin, not under OS X, reflects the OpenZFS emphasis on open-source.

>>>
>>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=ZFS&oldid=574025731> for that edition. Further editions will be welcomed, in particular:
>>>
>>> a) the Wikipedia table of comparisons does not reflect the capabilities of ZFS-OSX
>>>
>>> b) more generally, histories (including but not limited to what's in the OS X subsection) could be moved to the uppermost history section.
>>>
>>> With an emphasis on open-source, at <http://open-zfs.org/wiki/History> the history presented by OpenZFS is pleasantly condensed, compared to the histories in Wikipedia.
>>>
>>> Alongside that potted history, I love that most aspects of the OpenZFS site are future-focused.
>>>
>>> Last but not least, a page that was not obvious when OpenZFS was first announced:
>>>
>>> <http://open-zfs.org/wiki/FAQ>
>>>

>>> ... it's remarkable that so few questions arose following the launch. I like to think that the clarity now is a natural product of all the positive collaborations in the weeks, months and years before the launch :-)

>>>
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