Which citation plugin to use?
Dana Ernst
Carl Boettiger
Having tried several options, and also managing my refs via bibtex & Mendeley, I'd definitely recommend kcite. I have found that pasting in a doi between [cite] shortcode has been easier and more robust than the other options (including perturbations of collaborators), and the package is actively supported and improving.
One current limitation is that it take only DOIs or pubmed ids (e.g. arxiv ids would be nice). It sounds like it will also support latex-like formatting options (citet vs citep, & alternative .bst styles) in the near future.
Best,
Carl
I realize that questions related to citation plugins have been asked before, but perhaps my question is more basic. I am just getting started with a Wordpress blog [http://danaernst.com] to replace my current webpage [http://oz.plymouth.edu/~dcernst]. I'm wondering what the simplest way to manage citations for blog posts is. At least at this time, I don't believe that most of my blog posts will require citations, but knowing how to do this would be handy. I see that people on this list have mentioned kcite and I've also stumbled on papercite [http://wordpress.org/extend/plugins/papercite/]. I'm sure there are others. Note: I am a mathematician and I typically manage my citations via bibtex and Mendeley. Any guidance would be greatly appreciated.Dana
Carl Boettiger
UC Davis
http://www.carlboettiger.info/
Dana Ernst
> One current limitation is that it take only DOIs or pubmed ids (e.g. arxiv ids would be nice). It sounds like it will also support latex-like formatting options (citet vs citep, & alternative .bst styles) in the near future.
Hmmm, the problem with this is that I would like to cite webpage, blog posts, and articles on the arXiv that do not have DOIs. Also, because I never use DOI, my entire reference library is devoid of them.
Dana
Martin Fenner
My solution is not as polished as kcite, but you can also try the
combination of BibTex Importer and Link to Link plugins.
For other options, look for Wordpress plugins tagged res-comms:
http://wordpress.org/extend/plugins/tags/res-comms
Best,
Martin
Am 31.01.12 21:47 schrieb "Dana Ernst" unter <ernst...@gmail.com>:
Dana Ernst
> My solution is not as polished as kcite, but you can also try the
> combination of BibTex Importer and Link to Link plugins.
Does every entry have to have a URL in order for this to work?
Dana
Phillip Lord
It depends what you mean by "manage". Kcite (which I co-write) is designed to take references largely from external sources, which at the
moment means things with a DOI. In the future, it will probably be able to do other ID types. So, it's not for managing references per se, rather it
is for displaying them in a nice way.
Another option would be to look at a tool like latextowordpress written by, erm, me. This takes latex and turns it into HTML. Bibliographies
are generated also from the latex, via the bbl file generated from latex. You can see an example of this here:
http://www.russet.org.uk/blog/2010/07/realism-and-science/
That paper is raw latex from the wild, not designed for blogging -- it's not a perfect translation, but I think it's fairly good. You
can see the same tool at work with some complex maths in it...
http://www.russet.org.uk/blog/2010/08/latex-to-wordpress/
This is rendered direct from the math mode in the latex, using mathjax-latex (that was me as well!). Wordpress can do image rendering as well
by itself. I've found this approach slightly heavy-weight for blogging. I use it largely when I want to blog papers that I wrote in latex in the first place.
But then I don't have lots of maths in my papers. In this case, you can just use manage your bibliographies within whatever tools you are familiar
with in the first place.
I'll leave other people to describe their own tool chains.
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Martin Fenner
Best,
Martin
Am 31.01.12 22:13 schrieb "Dana Ernst" unter <ernst...@gmail.com>:
Phillip Lord
I'm think adding support for CoINS will be high on my list of things to do. I want to be able to reference blog posts by URL and just have
it all work. For me, this is "politically" important, because I think that a blog URL should be as good a reference as something DOIable.
Full bibtex support is something I would really like also because it's how I manage my references also, and is possible, but am not sure
when I will get to it. arXiv I just haven't looked at. If they have some nice way of getting metadata back, then it can be added. I've never
used arXiv, so it's not been a pressing need. It will just be more XML hacking though, I expect.
Phil
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Martin Fenner
Zotero.
http://wordpress.org/extend/plugins/enhanced-bibliplug/
Best,
Martin
Am 31.01.12 22:30 schrieb "Phillip Lord" unter
<philli...@newcastle.ac.uk>:
Carl Boettiger
I'm think adding support for CoINS will be high on my list of things to do. I want to be able to reference blog posts by URL and just have
it all work. For me, this is "politically" important, because I think that a blog URL should be as good a reference as something DOIable.
Well said ;-) practically speaking this would make it possible to cite urls in kcite?
Full bibtex support is something I would really like also because it's how I manage my references also, and is possible, but am not sure
when I will get to it. arXiv I just haven't looked at. If they have some nice way of getting metadata back, then it can be added. I've never
used arXiv, so it's not been a pressing need. It will just be more XML hacking though, I expect.
http://export.arxiv.org/api/query?id_list=1109.4518
where 1109.4518 is the arxiv id. You get back XML with the metadata (formatted to the OAI-PMH linked data standard). (in case any of the clever wp developers on this list was interested...)
Phil
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On Jan 31, 2012, at 3:36 PM, Carl Boettiger wrote:
> One current limitation is that it take only DOIs or pubmed ids (e.g. arxiv ids would be nice). It sounds like it will also support latex-like formatting options (citet vs citep, & alternative .bst styles) in the near future.
Hmmm, the problem with this is that I would like to cite webpage, blog posts, and articles on the arXiv that do not have DOIs. Also, because I never use DOI, my entire reference library is devoid of them.
Dana
Phillip Lord
The CoINS support would not make any URL citable -- the thing at the other end would need to have coins
metadata. There's a kblog plugin for this also. You'd almost think we'd planned it, wouldn't you?
The arXiv looks pretty straight-forward, actually. The only disadvantage is that they haven't parsed the
names out (which is easy to do badly, hard to do well). What is the general rule for citing them? arXiv becomes the
"journal title" equivalent. Do people use "published" or "updated" as the citation date? Are they all of the same form?
I think expanding the ID space should probably be my milestone for the 1.5 release family. I was going to do
something cleverer with the reference loading (ajax call backs), but ultimately who cares? No one is
bitching about the backend treatment of the references now they are cached, but I get lots of "does it
do arXiv" requests. And it should.
Phil
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On Tue, Jan 31, 2012 at 1:30 PM, Phillip Lord <philli...@newcastle.ac.uk<mailto:philli...@newcastle.ac.uk>> wrote:
I'm think adding support for CoINS will be high on my list of things to do. I want to be able to reference blog posts by URL and just have
it all work. For me, this is "politically" important, because I think that a blog URL should be as good a reference as something DOIable.
Well said ;-) practically speaking this would make it possible to cite urls in kcite?
Full bibtex support is something I would really like also because it's how I manage my references also, and is possible, but am not sure
when I will get to it. arXiv I just haven't looked at. If they have some nice way of getting metadata back, then it can be added. I've never
used arXiv, so it's not been a pressing need. It will just be more XML hacking though, I expect.
Yup. You make a query to the API using a request like:
http://export.arxiv.org/api/query?id_list=1109.4518
where 1109.4518 is the arxiv id. You get back XML with the metadata (formatted to the OAI-PMH<http://arxiv.org/help/oa/index> linked data standard). (in case any of the clever wp developers on this list was interested...)
Phil
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Carl Boettiger
The CoINS support would not make any URL citable -- the thing at the other end would need to have coins
metadata. There's a kblog plugin for this also. You'd almost think we'd planned it, wouldn't you?
The arXiv looks pretty straight-forward, actually. The only disadvantage is that they haven't parsed the
names out (which is easy to do badly, hard to do well). What is the general rule for citing them? arXiv becomes the
"journal title" equivalent. Do people use "published" or "updated" as the citation date? Are they all of the same form?
Good questions, maybe try their API mailing list: http://groups.google.com/group/arxiv-api
Among others, Mendeley implements arxiv id look up, one might see how they handle this.
If you're expanding the ID space, some people might fund lookup by mendeley unique id to be useful: http://apidocs.mendeley.com/home/public-resources/search-details
Dana Ernst
> If you're expanding the ID space, some people might fund lookup by mendeley unique id to be useful: http://apidocs.mendeley.com/home/public-resources/search-details
I would really appreciate a Mendeley solution to the citation issue.
Dana
Dana Ernst
Phillip Lord
I haven't used it. It looks similar to kcite in it's intention. Nice idea.
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Does anyone have any experience with the Zotpress plugin [http://wordpress.org/extend/plugins/zotpress/]?
Phillip Lord
I've added arxiv support to the version of kcite from mercurial on
googlecode. You are welcome to try it in a "no guarentees" kind of way.
I wouldn't stick it on a real machine yet.
If "from mercurial on googlecode" doesn't mean anything to you, you
probably shouldn't be installing at this stage:-)
adam....@ucdconnect.ie
I'm working on implementing a plugin to simply list a bibliography of my papers on my wordpress site.
I've been trying to use papercite, but haven't had success yet. I have a multisite wordpress setup, and for starters, it seems that the directory structure has changed since wordpress was updated.
I can try to correct this, but I wondered if anybody has had any luck getting this to work before I spend the time.
Any replies would be most appreciated.
Thank you!
Adam