I have recently retired and, as a project to keep me busy, want to understand the Mesh system, mainly by setting up a Mesh network around the house. I have access to a number (3) of TL-MR3020 with the AR9331 CHIP. From what I understand I can flash the TP Links with the Mesh software to setup the Mesh system. Is my thinking correct? Or should I get another type wireless router to flash
Thanks and regards
I have recently retired and, as a project to keep me busy, want to understand the Mesh system, mainly by setting up a Mesh network around the house. I have access to a number (3) of TL-MR3020 with the AR9331 CHIP. From what I understand I can flash the TP Links with the Mesh software to setup the Mesh system. Is my thinking correct? Or should I get another type wireless router to flash
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There is a "Getting Started" tutorial here:So you will need to flash the routers with generic OpenWrt "factory" firmware first.The SECN firmware is published in "sysupgrade" form which is suitable for loading on to a system that is already running OpenWrt.The AR9331 chip is the same one as used in the VT MP2 device.Hi DavidThe MR3020 works quite well with the VT SECN firmware.
The MR3020 has less memory (4MB Flash and 32MB RAM) and so not all features are present, but mesh networking is certainly available, and is running by default. It also has just a single Ethernet port so you can have it as either a WAN or LAN port.
There is a VT Wiki page that describes this process:
http://wiki.villagetelco.org/Installing_VT_SECN_FirmwareIf you install firmware using the OpenWrt LuCI web interface page, be sure to untick the checkbox that says "Keep Settings" or you will end up with the wrong IP address etc.Latest stable SECN firmware for the TP Link devices is located here:
http://download.villagetelco.org/firmware/secn/stable/tp-link/SECN_4/GA01.1/
http://wiki.villagetelco.org/SECN_TutorialEnjoy!RegardsTerry
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Hi Terry
Terry
I had done as you suggested, I think I was fooled as the flashing process did not give me "a success" message, and I thought that I had not flashed correctly. The mesh network is working perfectly now, and I am very impressed.
If I may, I would like to ask a few more questions:
1. If I want to load asterisk, can I do that without Linux, i.e. use Windows
2. If I setup the software for telephony as I am using smartphones as the MR3020 does not have phone sockets, can the MR3020 be a master node or will I have to use a WR842N?
3. I can telnet into failsafe mode 192.168.1.1 but how do I start Luci
4. I want to setup a USB port for external access, is it straightforward with windows, and what software is recommended
5. If I use the access security settings in Luci (to foil DOS attacks and things like that), I assume that they will work
6. Does anyone sell holders for the MR3020 so I can wall mount them near the power socket. I have investigated 3D printing but its not cheap
7. Can I monitor mesh traffic around the network and between nodes using Windows to see if it is getting overloaded.I have read the articles that you wrote and they are very reassuring, so I may not need it
Sorry for all of the questions
Regards
David
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Hi DavidSome answers in line below.On Fri, Feb 17, 2017 at 1:05 AM, <davidfra...@gmail.com> wrote:Terry
I had done as you suggested, I think I was fooled as the flashing process did not give me "a success" message, and I thought that I had not flashed correctly. The mesh network is working perfectly now, and I am very impressed.
If I may, I would like to ask a few more questions:
1. If I want to load asterisk, can I do that without Linux, i.e. use WindowsThe MR3020 does not have sufficient flash memory to include the Asterisk software.
2. If I setup the software for telephony as I am using smartphones as the MR3020 does not have phone sockets, can the MR3020 be a master node or will I have to use a WR842N?The SECN firmware for the WR842 includes the Asterisk firmware and will work fine as a Softphone Master node.Which version is the device - Ver 1 or Ver 2?
You can set up a mesh network using the MR3020 and WR842 devices and the softphone devices can then connect to any of the nodes in order to get a route to the Softphone Master node. You don't need to have Asterisk on the MR3020 nodes for this.
3. I can telnet into failsafe mode 192.168.1.1 but how do I start LuciFailsafe mode is just a basic command line interface for recovery purposes; it does not provide the LuCI web interface.
4. I want to setup a USB port for external access, is it straightforward with windows, and what software is recommendedI don't understand the question.What do you mean by external access via the USB port.Is it for a 3G/4G modem dongle?
5. If I use the access security settings in Luci (to foil DOS attacks and things like that), I assume that they will workYou can run either the OpenWrt firmware with the LuCI web interface, or the SECN firmware with its web interface, but they are different firmwares and you can run one or the other but not both.The SECN firmware has the default OpenWrt firewall settings and you can change these if you wish by editing the /etc/config/firewall file.What are the particular security settings that you are interested in using?
6. Does anyone sell holders for the MR3020 so I can wall mount them near the power socket. I have investigated 3D printing but its not cheapNone that I am aware of. They are sold as 'travel routers' and so are meant to be portable rather than fixed.I have fixed them to mounting plates with double sided adhesive tape and that works OK as they are lightweight.
7. Can I monitor mesh traffic around the network and between nodes using Windows to see if it is getting overloaded.I have read the articles that you wrote and they are very reassuring, so I may not need itThe Status page shows the data packet count for the various mesh and AP connections, as well as the Load Average and memory usage data (at the top of the page). These give a pretty good indication of what is going on.You can also use the Munin package to collect more detailed stats.There is some information on the VT Wiki page here: http://wiki.villagetelco.org/Monitoring_your_Mesh_Potato_Network_with_MuninThe munin package is included in the WR842 SECN firmware by default (if memory serves...)
Sorry for all of the questionsOn the contrary, it is a good way to share knowledge with the rest of the VT community.Regards
David
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Hi David
There is SECN firmware available for both versions of the WR842.
I have Ver1 only for testing here. Quite a good device overall.
I am currently updating the firmware around the 3G USB Modem area, so you might like to wait for an update on that.
The dongles types can be a bit problematic. Do you already have a device?
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SECN Alpha firmware for AR150 for testing purposes is here:
http://download.villagetelco.org/firmware/secn/unstable/ar/ar150/SECN-5/Alpha4/
On Sat, Feb 18, 2017 at 2:02 AM, Leonard Payne <rev.leon...@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi Guys
This has been an interesting thread. I've got one virgin MP2 and one virgin MR3020 but I'm loathe to unwrap them as I have a remarkable way of bricking things.
Meantime this thread encouraged me to look at the GL-AR150 which is cheap, not locked down (as current MR3020 is), has the AR9331 chip as well as 64M of RAM, 16MB of Flash, and 2 ethernet ports) - a much better spec than the MR3020
Sadly after following instructions, the loader said "this software is not for this device", so the MR3020 upgrade doesnt work.
Seeing as its the same AR9331 chip, has anyone looked at the GL-AR150?
Thanks
Leonard
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Hi David
Just to let you know there is an updated SECN-4 test firmware available on the VT-Downloads page here:
http://download.villagetelco.org/firmware/secn/unstable/tp-link/SECN-4/SECN_4.0/GA01.2-Alpha2/
This firmware includes a fix for the USB Modem and USB Ethernet Modem WAN operation.
I have tested it on WR842 Ver1, so you should be able to use it with a WR842 Ver2 device.
TerryregardsPlease let us know how you go with this.I tested with Huawei E353 USB modem which I expect is very similar to your E173 in operation.A note of caution - TP Link, along with other manufacturers have recently implemented some degree of lockdown on their devices to prevent installation of third party firmware. If you purchase a new device you may have difficulty installing the OpenWrt firmware.
My advice is to proceed with caution and if the device can not be re-flashed, return it to the seller and then buy a device that uses OpenWrt as its native operating system.
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Hi David
The SECN-4 firmware will only support Ver 1 and Ver 2 devices.
I am currently preparing a SECN-5 build that will also support Ver 3 devices.
I expect it will be available in the next few days.
The only issue is that it will not be mesh compatible with SECN-4 devices so you may have to move all devices in your network to SECN-5
Could you clarify exactly which OpenWrt firmware you have loaded onto the device please?
TerryRegards
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Hi David
SECN-5 firmware will use the Meshpoint wifi interface standard for the mesh rather than the previously used AdHoc interface standard. The reason for this is that support for the AdHoc interface is declining in favour of the Meshpoint standard.
Unfortunately this means that there will not be mesh compatibility between SECN-5 and earlier firmware versions like SECN-4.
SECN-5 firmware will also be built on the LEDE development environment rather than the previously used OpenWrt environment. This does not produce any compatibility issues and the change is being made to take advantage of advanced developments in the LEDE project (which is a fork of OpenWrt).
Many commercial commodity devices have only 4MB of flash and it is not possible to put much more that than a basic firmware on these devices as there is no room for additional packages.On the wifi system aspect, you should look for devices that have a minimum of 8MB of Flash memory, and 32MB RAM, with a preference for 64MB RAM. Also look for 802.11N (MIMO) capable devices.I would be careful about using devices that are not certified for sale in your country as there may be issues around certification of mains powered equipment leading to safety and liability issues, particularly for equipment that is directly plugged in to the mains power (ie not using a locally approved power adapter to provide low voltage eg 12V or USB 5V supply).
If the device is listed in the OpenWrt Table of Hardware as being supported, and it has sufficient memory, then it is possible to build a SECN firmware for it. But there is a level of effort and a learning curve involved, so consider carefully whether you want to take this on.
TerryRegardsSomething else to consider is the wifi range capability of small devices without external antennas.They usually have an internal antenna with a small gain of ~2dB, but the real problem is that you are limited as to where you can place the device to achieve a good radiation pattern if the device is plugged in to the mains power point.
On Mon, Feb 27, 2017 at 9:05 PM, <davidfra...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Monday, February 27, 2017 at 10:46:40 AM UTC, tlg wrote:I expect it will be available in the next few days.I am currently preparing a SECN-5 build that will also support Ver 3 devices.Hi DavidThe SECN-4 firmware will only support Ver 1 and Ver 2 devices.
OK, thanks. Out of interest, what do you have to do to make the different versions compatible.
I was thinking of getting some portable/ travel units that are faster, plug into the wall power socket and cover both the 2.4 and 5 Mhz frequencies I have seen some in a chinese manufacturers catalogue. What are the issues of loading VT software on new devices? All devices are OpenWrt friendlyThe only issue is that it will not be mesh compatible with SECN-4 devices so you may have to move all devices in your network to SECN-5
I see, the rest of the devices are the MR3020 on my networkCould you clarify exactly which OpenWrt firmware you have loaded onto the device please?
None as yet, I thought I would wait in case I made the wrong choice.TerryRegards
Regards
David
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