Repurpose Wireless Keyboard Useless Keys on Mac?

[kinda]

Hi 

I am on a mac that I connect occasionally to a monitor and wireless mouse and keyboard. 

The mouse and monitor work fine, and, to an extent, so does the keyboard. However, the layout of command, Alt/Option, Control is driving me nuts. They are reversed for some reason. 

I want to get the normal macbook keyboard layout on this wireless keyboard. Is this possible? How do I achieve that?

I've attached a screen shot of the keyboard ukelele brings up and a picture of my wireless keyboard with what it does and what I plan to  do with it.

Any help would seriously be appreciated!

[Sorin Paliga]

System Preferences/Keyboard/Modifier Keys, as attached.

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[Gé van Gasteren]

Hi kinda,

Thanks for attaching that picture, very important, especially in this case.
Because you’ve got a strange keyboard there, looking a bit like a Mac keyboard, but not living up to its looks…

With the preferences setting Sorin showed you, the Alt and Command can be swapped.

Also, the AltGr key will change into a second Command key (I think).

The other things you mentioned are not defined in keyboard layouts, so can’t be changed through Ukelele:

- Fn key (try it together with the function keys; maybe you can adjust the volume etc. with them)

- Right-click key

On 20 June 2017 at 19:33, Sorin Paliga <sorin....@gmail.com> wrote:

System Preferences/Keyboard/Modifier Keys, as attached.

For some reason, you or some else modified this

On 20 Jun 2017, at 20:28, kinda <kinda.d...@ucl.ac.uk> wrote:

Hi 

I am on a mac that I connect occasionally to a monitor and wireless mouse and keyboard. 

The mouse and monitor work fine, and, to an extent, so does the keyboard. However, the layout of command, Alt/Option, Control is driving me nuts. They are reversed for some reason. 

I want to get the normal macbook keyboard layout on this wireless keyboard. Is this possible? How do I achieve that?

I've attached a screen shot of the keyboard ukelele brings up and a picture of my wireless keyboard with what it does and what I plan to  do with it.

Any help would seriously be appreciated!

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[kinda]

I think this is how it's manufactured. 

[kinda]

Geke, thanks for answering!!

I don't the preference setting from Sorin... Is it possibly in another post?

Swapping Alt with Cmd is good enough. It's driving me nuts. I also just discovered how annoying the delete and backspace buttons can be when they are right next to each other...

On Tuesday, June 20, 2017 at 9:33:29 PM UTC+1, Geke wrote:

Hi kinda,

Thanks for attaching that picture, very important, especially in this case.
Because you’ve got a strange keyboard there, looking a bit like a Mac keyboard, but not living up to its looks…

With the preferences setting Sorin showed you, the Alt and Command can be swapped.

Also, the AltGr key will change into a second Command key (I think).

The other things you mentioned are not defined in keyboard layouts, so can’t be changed through Ukelele:

- Fn key (try it together with the function keys; maybe you can adjust the volume etc. with them)

- Right-click key

On 20 June 2017 at 19:33, Sorin Paliga <sorin....@gmail.com> wrote:

System Preferences/Keyboard/Modifier Keys, as attached.

For some reason, you or some else modified this

On 20 Jun 2017, at 20:28, kinda <kinda.d...@ucl.ac.uk> wrote:

Hi 

I am on a mac that I connect occasionally to a monitor and wireless mouse and keyboard. 

The mouse and monitor work fine, and, to an extent, so does the keyboard. However, the layout of command, Alt/Option, Control is driving me nuts. They are reversed for some reason. 

I want to get the normal macbook keyboard layout on this wireless keyboard. Is this possible? How do I achieve that?

I've attached a screen shot of the keyboard ukelele brings up and a picture of my wireless keyboard with what it does and what I plan to  do with it.

Any help would seriously be appreciated!

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[kinda]

Cattus, Thank you. I managed to swap the left side ALT and Cmd but the Alt Gr remains the same... I am assuming the Gr stands for Germany? It is definitely a euro keyboard but I can't pinpoint where from..

The first keyboard I got did not work with Mac products. (I didn't realise that was possible!)

On Tuesday, June 20, 2017 at 6:33:10 PM UTC+1, Cattus Thraex wrote:

[Sorin Paliga]

AltGr is not for Germany, it makes the difference between left and right Alt/option keys. Anyway, in macOS you may choose and change any of the 4 modifier keys. This is most useful, for ex., when using a Windows/PC physical keyboard, which has the position of ctrl and alt keys reversed. macOS does not make the difference between left and right alt/opt keys. 

[Tom Gewecke]

> On Jun 21, 2017, at 2:19 PM, kinda <kinda.d...@ucl.ac.uk> wrote:
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> I am assuming the Gr stands for Germany?

Actually historically it stands for «graphic»

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AltGr_key

[Aural Architect]

As previously mentioned, this is actually not a Ukelele topic since Ukelele is essentially a GUI for creating & editing .keylayout files and bundles;  and .keylayout files are intended to manage the 'text producing' keys (not the modifier keys, function keys, formatting & cursor movement keys or other special key).

If the OS native preference pane doesn't fully or accurately meet your needs & goals, consider using Karabiner (formerly KeyRemap4MacBook).  This is a free program which is quite powerful and it is specifically designed to handle exactly the type of changes you've described.  If by chance you're trying to do something which isn't one of the built-in options, there is documentation to help you create and implement just about any imaginable switch/swap or key function for your keyboard.

[Aural Architect]

Another option I just thought of would be ControllerMate; although it is not free (yet it's very reasonably priced and well worth the cost IMHO).  ControllerMate has several ways* of doing what you are hoping to accomplish although it is not specifically, exclusively designed just for that—actually it can do FAR, far more.
(* a device driver configuration would be the best method and it would only apply to that device. This allows you to individually re-assign the function or output of any key on your device to that of any other key or function, or nothing at all which you would use to assign multiple various roles for the key in different contexts using building blocks in the programming section.)


Just out of curiosity, I would love to know more about your keyboard...  How did you come across that keyboard?  Where did you get it?  And when?  It appears to be an Apple product, is it actually?  If so, would you mind sharing the model number (it should be printed on or lightly etched into the underside if it is—typically a 4 digit numeric code following an "A")?   Thank you so much!


[I am aware that my post is not Ukelele oriented and I apologize.  However, my attempt to be helpful and provide additional options to the OP would be impossible in a strictly Ukelele-based context since the topic of this entire thread is actually outside the scope of Ukelele's features & capabilities.]