Delete key on F1

[Marco Triverio]

Hi,

I was trying to remap F1-F4 to various other keys like delete, enter, brackets, etc.

Unfortunately when I pick the input source things don't seem to be working.

I am on El Capitan.

See attachments.

Any idea of what is going wrong?

Best.

[John Brownie]

As you can see from the subject line, my ISP strips off zipped files. But it really doesn't matter in this case.

You can't remap the F-keys using a keyboard layout such as Ukelele creates. All F-keys produce the same output for a start, which tells me that the operating system isn't looking at output, but rather at the actual key code that is generated. You'll need to find a different mechanism to achieve this. Perhaps Karabiner can do it?

John

Marco Triverio

16 August 2016 at 2:20

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[Gé van Gasteren]

​Marco: Here’s the Karabiner website:
https://pqrs.org/osx/karabiner/

or download from here:
http://download.cnet.com/Karabiner/3000-2094_4-75147398.html

John: ​

This comes up so often, that it may be an idea to make the F-keys – and the other unchangeable ones – a slightly different color or shading on the keyboard map, and/or have a message coming up when the user attempts to re-assign them.

​These days, I’m not too easy about those download sites like above. How to know which are safe and which aren’t?​

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[Sorin Paliga]

Or a pop-up message when attempting to modify these keys. Or both. 

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[John Brownie]

Good ideas! I'll look into them in the next few days.

Sorin Paliga wrote:

Or a pop-up message when attempting to modify these keys. Or both.

On 16 Aug 2016, at 18:29, Gé van Gasteren <gevang...@gmail.com

<mailto:gevang...@gmail.com>> wrote:

​Marco: Here’s the Karabiner website:
https://pqrs.org/osx/karabiner/
or download from here:
http://download.cnet.com/Karabiner/3000-2094_4-75147398.html

John: ​
This comes up so often, that it may be an idea to make the F-keys –
and the other unchangeable ones – a slightly different color or
shading on the keyboard map, and/or have a message coming up when the
user attempts to re-assign them.
​These days, I’m not too easy about those download sites like above.
How to know which are safe and which aren’t?​

I don't know that one, either. I pay to be a member of MacUpdate, so avoid some issues that way. I realise not everyone is willing to do that, but can't give a good answer in general.

[Marco Triverio]

Thanks guys!

I solved using Better Touch Tool.

[Gé van Gasteren]

​Marco:

That’s a nice find! One would expect that Better Touch Tool would be all about gestures, but it certainly looks like it has great potential:
http://docs.bettertouchtool.net/docs/key_sequences.html

Even pressing and releasing modifier keys twice can trigger an action; I remember a question here not too long ago where this was on the wishlist.

​​

[John Brownie]

The simplest solution at this point is to make all the F-keys
unchangeable, since they will never be of use in setting up a new
keyboard layout. At this point, I think that I'll leave the other
special keys editable.

The 3.1 version is going well, and I've found and fixed a few bugs in
the process. Hopefully it will be out in the coming week.

John

[Gé van Gasteren]

Just a funny thought:

You could even have a link under those keys, so that when a user tries to edit them, a browser window opens with an explanation why this is not a good idea (tab, cursor keys) or impossible, and links to Karbiner, BetterTouchTool, ... and what was the other one, KeyGen? And also a link to an Apple page about that System Preferences panel where the Modifier Keys can be swapped/deactivated.

Or you could have the relevant section of the user manual pop up.
Mmm, maybe not just a funny thought...

[Sorin Paliga]

Gé, John mentioned a simple, but fast solution, and a more complex one to be added later. 

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[Gé van Gasteren]

Yeah, I know, I was just intending to make a joke about it, but then it became more.

John’ll know what he wants to do, don’t worry...