PSOT: Humax HDR-Fox-T2 HDMI switching

[Woody]

We have one of the above and it works a treat - apart from one thing.

When the box is programmed to record a prog off air it starts up maybe
five minutes before the supposed start time and at that point grabs
the (HDMI connected) TV. Eventually the TV ( Sharp) shows up as no
signal and we have to switch back to TV manually.

I have been through all the menu settings but cannot find anything
that could remotely be the cause. It has the latest Humax software
installed (from new a bit less than a year ago.)

Anyone any ideas or pointers?



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Woody

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[Jeff Layman]

Not exactly, but I had a similar problem with my Panasonic PVR and
Panasonic TV. When I turned on the PVR, the TV would automatically
switch to it, even if I didn't want to watch anything at that time on
the PVR. When I contacted Panasonic Support about it, they just said to
change from HDMI1 to HDMI2 on the TV. That solved the problem. Do you
have more than one HDMI socket on your TV to try this?

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Jeff

[Roger Mills]

I don't quite understand what you're saying. Do you normally watch TV
through the PVR, or do you use the TV's own tuner? When the PVR 'grabs'
the TV, does the TV then display the programme being recorded, or
something else?

I have the same model of PVR - but a different (Philips) TV - and always
watch TV trough the PVR, with the TV just acting as a monitor and
displaying whatever is coming into its HDMI1 port. The TV isn't affected
when the PVR starts to record - it just goes on displaying the programme
being watched, and uses the other tuner (the Fox-T2 has two tuners) for
the recording. [Unless, of course, you're trying to record two
programmes on different muxes at the same time (and) watch a third
programme on yet another mux - in which case it displays a message
inviting you to sort out the conflict!]
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[Dave W]

On Sat, 5 Sep 2015 19:37:03 +0100, "Woody" <harro...@ntlworld.com>
wrote:

I have an older Humax Foxsat receiver connected to my TV via HDMI. I
also have a Freeview box connected via SCART. The TV itself can also
receive Freeview, and it can have its input selected via its menu. TV,
SCART, HDMI etc. Only the SCART input can "grab" the TV from whatever
input it's set on.

Perhaps your TV is also connected via SCART to the Humax, maybe
indirectly via something else? Or if not, maybe the TV can be set to
be grabbed by the HDMI input via the TV's menu?
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Dave W

[Davey]

On Sat, 5 Sep 2015 19:37:03 +0100

It sounds as though it is a setting of the TV set, rather than the PVR.
How are you watching the TV when this happens, ie what input is in use?
I have the same PVR, and a Toshiba TV set, and this never happens.
Normally, I have a non-PVR input selected on the TV, switching to the
HDMI input when I wish to.

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Davey.

[PeterC]

Having read the other replies in the hope of an answer, all I can do is add
what happens here.
Panny TV and Hummy Freesat HDR. The PVR comes on 15 min. before recording is
due. If I turn on the TV there's "no signal" and I have to kill the TV at
the mains (RC sockets are useful for this) and reboot it. If I press the IO
button or numeric button on the PVR to turn the Hummy fully on the TV is OK.
Damned nuisance when I forget.
I've never tried it with the TV set to TV rather than PVR. The PVR is on
HDMI 1.
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Peter.
The gods will stay away
whilst religions hold sway

[Woody]

"Jeff Layman" <JMLa...@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
news:msflvd$onb$1...@news.albasani.net...

Yes, but that isn't the problem. My Hummy is doing that exactly as it
should.

My issue is that the Hummy is grabbing the TV when it powers up to do
a recording even though it provides no signal output or picture.

[Roger Wilmut]

I have two Humax PVRs, on the same as yours, and a Freesat box all
connected via an auto-switching HDMI switchbox to the TV and experience
the same thing. I took this up with Humax, pointing out that it was
annoying for the PVR to put out an HDMI output with no signal on it
which would grab the auto switch: they claimed that this was
unavoidable. I don't believe this, but the chances of them changing it
are presumably negligible. (The old Pace Twin - the first PVR - did the
same thing over SCART but the issue was remedied after a bit, and
anyway I used to cut pint 8 on SCART leads to prevent this
auto-takeover.)

There's evidently notthing you can do at the PVR end but assuming you
are connecting directly to the TV there may be a setting on it to
enable or disable auto-switching from HDMI.

[tim.....]

"Woody" <harro...@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
news:msh0dp$k0p$1...@dont-email.me...

It's not "grabbing it" in the way you describe

it's merely sending out a signal on the HDMI lead to say that it has "turned
on"

It IS your TV that's at fault here

tim

[Davey]

On Sun, 6 Sep 2015 10:39:32 +0100
Roger Wilmut <em...@domain.com> wrote:

> I took this up with Humax, pointing out that it was
> annoying for the PVR to put out an HDMI output with no signal on it
> which would grab the auto switch: they claimed that this was
> unavoidable. I don't believe this, but the chances of them changing
> it are presumably negligible. (The old Pace Twin - the first PVR -
> did the same thing over SCART but the issue was remedied after a bit,
> and anyway I used to cut pint 8 on SCART leads to prevent this
> auto-takeover.)
>

It might be worth looking at the Customised Firmware (it is always
worth looking at the Customised Firmware) for Humax PVRs, there may
a solution there. If not, the folk(s) that run it are very willing to
listen.
http://wiki.hummy.tv/wiki/Main_Page

> There's evidently notthing you can do at the PVR end but assuming you
> are connecting directly to the TV there may be a setting on it to
> enable or disable auto-switching from HDMI.

Agreed, the PVR is just doing what it does, it's the TV set that needs
to be reconfigured, to me.

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Davey.

[tim.....]

"Davey" <da...@example.invalid> wrote in message
news:msh8a9$377$3...@n102.xanadu-bbs.net...

> On Sun, 6 Sep 2015 10:39:32 +0100
> Roger Wilmut <em...@domain.com> wrote:
>
>> I took this up with Humax, pointing out that it was
>> annoying for the PVR to put out an HDMI output with no signal on it
>> which would grab the auto switch: they claimed that this was
>> unavoidable. I don't believe this, but the chances of them changing
>> it are presumably negligible. (The old Pace Twin - the first PVR -
>> did the same thing over SCART but the issue was remedied after a bit,
>> and anyway I used to cut pint 8 on SCART leads to prevent this
>> auto-takeover.)
>>
>
> It might be worth looking at the Customised Firmware (it is always
> worth looking at the Customised Firmware) for Humax PVRs, there may
> a solution there. If not, the folk(s) that run it are very willing to
> listen.
> http://wiki.hummy.tv/wiki/Main_Page

Oh!

Can I get someone to update the firmware on my HDR 1000S so that when it is
recording programs from 2 different transponders it lets you change the
displayed channel to the "other" one that it is recording

simply saying "I am recording two channels and I have selected which one to
show you and NO I won't let you switch to the other" is bloody annoying.

tim

[Davey]

You download the firmware, whichever is appropriate for your machine,
and install it yourself, usually from a USB stick. You will have to
look at the website to see what options are provided for different
machines. There are loads of different packages available, and you
select which ones you want to install.
I only know what the HDR Fox-T2 is capable of.
Personally, I find it makes a world of difference to the usefulness of
my Humax PVR.

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Davey.

[Woody]

"tim....." <tims_n...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
news:msh80v$d3q$1...@dont-email.me...

Actually it isn't. I have today tried it on a Panny 26" and on a LG
19" and it does the same on all of them. What is more it sends out the
'I have switched on' but no signal of any sort, and it doesn't then
send an off message. After a time - at least on one occassion - the TV
gets fed up with no signal and switches off even though that facility
is disabled!

NONE of them have any facility to change how the HDMI switching works
save the Panny that only accepts the switching on HDMI 1 and ignores
it on 2 and 3, as quoted in its hadbook.

[Yellow]

In article <mshgm2$377$5...@n102.xanadu-bbs.net>, da...@example.invalid
says...

There is only custom firmware for the two versions of fox-T2 and not for
any of the other Humax boxes unfortunately.

[Jeff Layman]

Sorry - just checked the emails between myself and Panasonic and the
problem I had was identical to yours. It was definitely solved by
changing the PVR output from the TV's HDMI1 to HDMI2 socket. When I
asked Panasonic why, I received the unexpected (and
lost-in-translation?) reply "I am writing to explain that the HDMI2
socket of your television will be the most sensitive one to any signal
it may receive from any external device connected to it". Did you try a
different HDMI socket on the Sharp?

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Jeff