Durban 1st test

[mike]

After such an impressive perf in their last match,
the test team selects itself. Barring last minute
injuries (ahem Finn), I expect it to the same team
but with Anderson in for Footitt. Unless they think
Finn isn't fit enough to last a 5 day test.

mike

[Richard Dixon]

I hope they do take a risk and go with Finn. Footitt seems a little too raw? Also Footitt I thought typically takes the new ball and I don't think we really want to disturb the Broad/Anderson axis that's take 150-odd wickets since 2014.

Really looking forward to the series.

Richard

[hamis...@gmail.com]

Anderson is apparently in doubt with tightness in a calf

[RH156RH]

The best team from the tour party would be


Hales
Cook
Taylor
Root
Bairstow
Stokes
Buttler
Woakes
Broad
Finn
Anderson

RH

[Pac]

"RH156RH" <anywh...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
news:d5e6f56d-fb36-459e...@googlegroups.com...

No space Compton or Ali? From a cricketing perspective, isn't that a bit
harsh? Both have had a couple of decent warm up games...and should be raring
to go.

[hamis...@gmail.com]

You're new here aren't you?

[Mike Holmans]

On Wed, 23 Dec 2015 09:26:29 -0000, "Pac" <p...@zaosium.net> tapped the
keyboard and brought forth:

The other amusing bit is selecting Buttler as a specialist number
seven batsman. Humpty has no doubt missed the statement that in fact
Bairstow will keep and bat at seven. In other words, this "selection"
is the usual piece of incompetent know-nothingery from the supreme
exponent of cricketing ignorance.

Cheers,

Mike
--

[John Hall]

In message <n5dpfk$g0q$1...@speranza.aioe.org>, Pac <p...@zaosium.net>
writes

We all know why RH won't pick Ali. He clearly sees Buttler as a
like-for-like replacement. :)
--
John Hall
"Honest criticism is hard to take,
particularly from a relative, a friend,
an acquaintance, or a stranger." Franklin P Jones

[Bob Dubery]

On Wednesday, 23 December 2015 12:59:03 UTC+2, Mike Holmans wrote:

> The other amusing bit is selecting Buttler as a specialist number
> seven batsman. Humpty has no doubt missed the statement that in fact
> Bairstow will keep and bat at seven. In other words, this "selection"
> is the usual piece of incompetent know-nothingery from the supreme
> exponent of cricketing ignorance.

Selection will always kowtow to ideology in Henderson's world. Or would if
it were his world (it isn't. Let's give thanks.)

[dmik...@yahoo.co.uk]

Anderson? I spoke too soon. I did wonder why he had bowled only 5 overs
so far. So actually if Anderson is doubtful, they have a choice of 2 from
Finn, Footitt and Woakes (whos bowled only 10 overs). Wish they had
brought Plunker on this tour.

mike

[RH156RH]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/cricket/international/southafrica/12065213/South-Africa-vs-England-Kagiso-Rabada-a-sign-of-changing-times-that-tourists-must-exploit.html

By Scyld Berry, Cricket Correspondent, in Pietermaritzburg6:38PM GMT 22 Dec 2015

"The mission statement of Cricket South Africa specifies: “Basing our activities on fairness, which includes inclusivity and non-discrimination.” As a consequence, its target is for the national team to include a minimum of four players of colour – a term which encompasses black Africans, mixed-race people and those of Asian descent – in every match. It is not a quota; it is not ­mandatory; but it is a target which the South African government would like to see met whenever practicable.
In the recently concluded domestic Twenty20 franchise competition, the Ram Slam, in which Kevin Pietersen played for the losing finalists Dolphins, the target was for each 12-man squad to consist of at least six players of colour, of whom three had to be indigenous Africans.
Obviously there were pros and cons. The standard was lower, but the crowds were multiracial – far more representative of the country’s demographics than they have traditionally been. Sometimes you have to go backwards in order to go forwards, and this series may mark the time when South Africa’s Test team go backwards, before advancing to a multiracial future in which the country’s whole population has ready access to the sport and its highest levels.

Temba Bavuma is the first indigenous African batsman to play for the national team
Three of the four players of colour in South Africa’s team for the first Test will be the captain Amla; batsman Temba Bavuma, who has a dogged defence but was troubled when the West Indies fast bowlers bounced him last year, and who is the first indigenous African batsman to reach the national team (all those years of flag-waving cricket in the townships during apartheid having proved fruitless at least in this regard); and J P Duminy, who has not kicked on as a batsman since his first two sensational Tests in Australia, although his off-spin has improved.
Which leaves a fourth player to be included. It would have been Vernon Philander if he had not injured himself playing football in India, which has ruled him out of the first two Tests. So it will be either Kagiso Rabada, a 6ft 3in pace bowler, or Dane Piedt, an off-spinner. Whoever it is England do not appear to have a lot to fear.....
Piedt, 25, is an off-spinner from Cape Town who plays for Cape Cobras, the most transformed of all the franchises. He has taken 12 wickets in his two Tests, which sounds a great start, but eight came against Zimbabwe, when that enfeebled country played their last home Test. Piedt’s other four wickets came early on in South Africa’s most recent Test against India in Delhi. Again it was a promising start, but after the effect of novelty wore off, he finished with four for 170 on a pitch where India’s spinners ran amok.
He has 62 first-class wickets, whereas Simon Harmer, who he replaced, has 253 first-class wickets, and 20 in his five Tests at the respectable average of 29."



Next! RH

[Michael Gooding]

If they don't pick Broad, Finn, Footitt, I shall start a Bayliss Out petition. It's never too soon with these things.

[max.it]

Yup. he really needs to get a grip on his man to hand relationship.
Name that tune??

max.it

[Bob Dubery]

On Wednesday, 23 December 2015 19:40:30 UTC+2, RH156RH wrote:

> "The mission statement of Cricket South Africa specifies: "Basing our activities on fairness, which includes inclusivity and non-discrimination."

In other words, Henderson, they are striving to reverse the legacy of
racism. This is what is needed after you've let Hendersonians run a sport
and apply their crackpot ideas which ultimately will cause nothing but
damage.

Plus, of course, CSA are admitting there's a problem to be corrected. You
won't even be candid about your racism - which is all kinds of interesting.

If you were running English cricket there'd be some analog to the old
apartheid pencil test to be sure that any player was "properly English" -
because, as with the Apartheid government - being born in the country is
not enough.

[Bob Dubery]

And there is a difference, before you start.

You wail about Englishness and who may have it, but nothing is being taken
away from you. You are not less English because Moeen Ali is also English.

In South Africa born citizens were being stripped of their citizenship, denied
the franchise and being bundled off into homelands which were not their home
and which they had no desire to live in. If they stayed in South Africa they
were told, as a Hendersonite might tell folks, that their home was elsewhere and
they could go and live there and enjoy full participation in the piece of veldt
that had been assigned to them.

Moeen Ali takes nothing away from you. You seek to deprive Moeen Ali of his
entitlement.

[John Hall]

In message <c3b6478e-aa93-4145...@googlegroups.com>,
RH156RH <anywh...@yahoo.co.uk> writes

[Quoting Scyld Berry on South Africa's selection policy]

>As a consequence, its target is for the national team to include a
>minimum of four players of colour

Whereas your own target is for the England team is to include a maximum
of zero players of colour.

[RH156RH]

Failure to condemn gross SA racism noted... RH

[Mike Holmans]

On Wed, 23 Dec 2015 21:19:24 -0800 (PST), Bob Dubery
<mega...@gmail.com> tapped the keyboard and brought forth:

>On Thursday, 24 December 2015 05:15:30 UTC+2, Bob Dubery wrote:
>> On Wednesday, 23 December 2015 19:40:30 UTC+2, RH156RH wrote:
>>
>> > "The mission statement of Cricket South Africa specifies: "Basing our activities on fairness, which includes inclusivity and non-discrimination."
>>
>> In other words, Henderson, they are striving to reverse the legacy of
>> racism. This is what is needed after you've let Hendersonians run a sport
>> and apply their crackpot ideas which ultimately will cause nothing but
>> damage.
>>
>> Plus, of course, CSA are admitting there's a problem to be corrected. You
>> won't even be candid about your racism - which is all kinds of interesting.
>>
>> If you were running English cricket there'd be some analog to the old
>> apartheid pencil test to be sure that any player was "properly English" -
>> because, as with the Apartheid government - being born in the country is
>> not enough.
>
>And there is a difference, before you start.
>
>You wail about Englishness and who may have it, but nothing is being taken
>away from you. You are not less English because Moeen Ali is also English.

Humpty Dumpty isn't English: he's Egglish, but can't spell.

Cheers,

Mike
--

[Bob Dubery]

Henderson, you wouldn't know racism if it looked back at you from the
mirror. Or at least you'd pretend not to.

[RH156RH]

Continued failure to condemn gross SA racism noted... And where is all the squealing and shrieking about anti-white racism from all the other liberal bigots in the ng? RH

[Offramp]

This Topic is closed.

MODERATOR.

[max.it]

There are no mirrors in a pigsty, and porky can't see past the end of
his piggy snout anyway.

max.it

[RH156RH]

On Thursday, December 24, 2015 at 2:05:05 PM UTC, Offramp wrote:
> This Topic is closed.
>
> MODERATOR.

The classic mindset of the liberal bigot: to censor when challenged... RH

[RH156RH]

Lazarus the Vulgarian appears again... RH

[John Hall]

In message <98ed9019-636b-4641...@googlegroups.com>,
Offramp <alane...@gmail.com> writes

>This Topic is closed.
>
>MODERATOR.

Nice try. :)

[Mike Holmans]

On Wed, 23 Dec 2015 09:46:33 -0800 (PST), Michael Gooding
<michael...@yahoo.co.uk> tapped the keyboard and brought forth:

>If they don't pick Broad, Finn, Footitt, I shall start a Bayliss Out petition. It's never too soon with these things.

Get started. It's been confirmed that Woakes is playing instead of
Anderson. Which will at least make Richard happy.

Merry Xmas to all our readers.

Cheers,

Mike
--

[Michael Gooding]

Bloody hell. Woaked just isn't test class. And besides, another meh bowler-batsman isn't needed outside of ODOs. We need a quick, and if he's a lefty even better.

[Mike Holmans]

On Fri, 25 Dec 2015 06:59:54 -0800 (PST), Michael Gooding

<michael...@yahoo.co.uk> tapped the keyboard and brought forth:

>Bloody hell. Woaked just isn't test class. And besides, another meh bowler-batsman isn't needed outside of ODOs. We need a quick, and if he's a lefty even better.

To be fair, Woaked has increased his pace, and judging by the comments
emanating from the England camp, Footitt may be quick but doesn't know
where the stumps are.

Cheers,

Mike
--

[John Hall]

In message <snbq7b92jagls4q2e...@4ax.com>, Mike Holmans
<mi...@jackalope.demon.co.uk> writes

And from me.

[alvey]

Finn could coach him on that.

And Merry Xmas poms.
Hope it's cold, wet and miserable. Like your summer.




alvey

[John Hall]

In message <1y8r4t7k39xc$.q5qu27hfzuhz$.d...@40tude.net>, alvey
<dont....@gmail.com> writes
>And Merry Xmas poms.

Thank you. And to you.

>Hope it's cold, wet and miserable. Like your summer.

The best sort of weather for beating the Australians.

[David North]

Hard luck. It's mild, wet and miserable - though Aussies would probably
think it was cold.

Happy Christmas.

--
David North

[mike]

On Saturday, December 26, 2015 at 7:33:29 AM UTC, David North wrote:
> On 25/12/2015 22:00, alvey wrote:
> > On Fri, 25 Dec 2015 16:51:03 +0000, Mike Holmans wrote:
> >
> >> On Fri, 25 Dec 2015 06:59:54 -0800 (PST), Michael Gooding
> >> <michael...@yahoo.co.uk> tapped the keyboard and brought forth:
> >>
> >>> Bloody hell. Woaked just isn't test class. And besides, another meh
> >>> bowler-batsman isn't needed outside of ODOs. We need a quick, and if
> >>> he's a lefty even better.

they should have taken Plunkett

> >>
> >> To be fair, Woaked has increased his pace, and judging by the comments
> >> emanating from the England camp, Footitt may be quick but doesn't know
> >> where the stumps are.

could say that about hales as well as he was twice out leaving the ball
in the warmups.

> >
> > Finn could coach him on that.

actually more worried about our batting, which is a completly different
line up to last summer and UAE. Hales is on debut, and he looks the least
likely of the 8 openers theyve tried to succeed at test level. If he is
to succeed he should play his natural game, since hes supposedly a
destructive batter, but I think Cook outscored both him and Compton in the
warmups.

Also will Bairstow be any better than Buttler as a keeper and a batter?
And Taylor has a big role to play, so a lot of questions. I wish they had
another warmup match before this test so that hales, bairstow and Ali etc
could have got more batting.

> >
> > And Merry Xmas poms.
> > Hope it's cold, wet and miserable. Like your summer.
>
> Hard luck. It's mild, wet and miserable - though Aussies would probably
> think it was cold.
>
> Happy Christmas.
>

yes floods up north and bush fires in oz. but i'd still have our climate
over oz anyday. apparently its wet in durban also.

mike

[Richard Dixon]

On Friday, 25 December 2015 16:51:40 UTC, Mike Holmans wrote:

> To be fair, Woaked has increased his pace, and judging by the comments
> emanating from the England camp, Footitt may be quick but doesn't know
> where the stumps are.

Heck, even you may have widened your eyes slightly to see Woakes with the fastest ball and fastest average speed after the first two days.

And on said person, this is very good (as usual) from Dobell:

http://www.espncricinfo.com/south-africa-v-england-2015-16/content/story/955639.html

In other news, I'm enjoying Steyn's teenage attempt to grow some facial hair.

Richard