Admittedly, post-quarantine animals might be a little 'OTT', but nothing
prepared us for the relentlessly repeated high speed transit (through the
cabin) from stern to bow that the dogs seem to insist upon. The female dog,
(who in South Africa had a pathological fear of water - in the form of the
domestic swimming pool) has twice tried to throw herself over the side, once
in pursuit of grazing sheep and another time after a small slightly
sheep-shaped dog. (Fortunately both dogs have buoyancy aids.) The male dog
simply barges about, knocking the gear stick out of position as he sees fit,
or occasionally charging into the back of our knees and thereby almost
chucking us over the sides en route.
We should say, in their defence, that South African dogs are notoriously
unrestrained, their main 'raison d'être being principally to terrorise the
marauding bands of neighbourly mobsters who are endemic to the locality.
However, we have managed to instil a remarkable degree of discipline to them
whilst within their home environment - it's just those small unpredictable
external factors which present a problem - like fishermen, swans, passing
dogs and canalside pedestrians.
Any tips from those boaters unfortunate enough to possess slightly less than
well-trained canines would be appreciated, especially regarding restraining
measures for navigating locks, or other canal-type catastrophes. In the
home we have successfully used baby-gates to contain them to certain areas,
and we could utilise such measures on the boat, but I wonder about
harness-type restraints which would give open air access, or whatever.
We anticipate buying a larger boat in the future, which would alleviate the
space constraints, but hopefully would offer sleeping accommodation for the
dogs outside the living quarters, whilst still being completely secure for
them.
Any anecdotal experiences, whether on boat-design, dog-restraining or simply
potential 'danger' areas would be more than welcome.
Sandra Crook
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Sandra Crook <nscc...@dialstart.net> wrote in message
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about problems with dogs who have recently been introduced to narrow
boating.
.
SNIP
We have been living on our NB since April and have a corgi/datsund (never
could spell it, sausage dog know what I mean) called Sam who we got from an
animal rescue place, he had been there kennelled for about 8 months and he
is on just over 2 years old, sad.
He does not mind the boat and the engine running but put it into gear and he
will be off the boat and 'over the hill' before you realise what has
happened. He pants and drools and is extremely restless once we are moving.
We have him on the front of the boat with a lead around the table leg, we
have a table that hinges down and is supported by a single steel leg. This
seems to work well as when set right it restricts his movements just enough.
Our first attempt with the lead too long found him dangling over the side
poor sod. We tried him inside the boat closing the dog gates installed by
the previous owners but he jumped/climbed over them so we took them out. He
has settled quite a bit and will now just pant and eventually lay down on
the seat with his head over the side. Any change in engine speed sees him
alert straight away.
When moored in a busy area like Braunston we use a 10M steel lead that we
bought from the pet shop and attach him to the side of the boat. This means
he has a fair amount of freedom and can get in and out of the boat to get
shade when he needs it. We put his water and food on the front deck which
has the water tank under it. This keeps the food longer (he is a picker) and
his water cold in the summer.
I have bought a buoyancy aid for him for use in the locks and one of those
harnesses which goes round his neck and waist. You can't get a combined one
as far as I know so you can either make him float or make him easy to get
out. I have to say that you can forget the harness if you think you can get
to him with a boat hook, it's to fiddle to hook on. We have found that the
main problem for him is getting out especially when you have the metal
sides.
With single locks out in the country we just let him off and he is quite
happy running to and fro across the locks. It looks frightening at first but
having had a boxer as well who did this they seem totally at home. If there
are people about and/or there is more than one lock we use the 10M lead and
tie him to a fence post or something so he can move about but is not a
danger to himself or others. Of course you must remember to retrieve him
once you have gone through the lock, ask my wife about that one.
He likes to chase the swans and ducks but never catches them. He is more
careful with swans since one turned and bit him on the nose. Fortunately he
shows no interest in sheep and cattle which is a godsend.
People have said he will settle. He is better than he was but we still have
to take these precautions and I don't think he will ever grow out of his
fears as has been suggested by people.
Hope this is of help.
Chris and Pat Kenway
NB Merchant
PS we have 3 cats on board as well. They are even worse as they bring their
little play things onto the boat at night, found a dead one in my glove
yesterday.
> We would be grateful for any tips from experienced dog-owning canalboaters.
> We returned to England six months ago, putting our two 4 year old Border
Snipped>
> Any anecdotal experiences, whether on boat-design, dog-restraining or simply
> potential 'danger' areas would be more than welcome.
Our last dog went with us on several hired NB trips but never got
used to them. She was very fearful of the whole boat vibrated by the
engine. I was afraid of her going over the side of the aqueduct
en-route to Llangollan and when she was put inside the boat she
kicked up the most fearful din. Never again! Sorry I cannot be more
helpful but others seem to have no problems at all.
Cheers
jim
I don't have dogs, but we did have a dog in my childhood - a Shetland
Collie. Any "working dog" (and it sounds as though yours are bred to be
working dogs, albeit guard dogs rather than herders) is liable to be
automatically high on energy, and need a low-protein, high-carboydrate
diet to keep them reasonable (i.e. non-paranoid). My mother never
bought tinned food, but always made up home-cooked food for Corrie (this
may sound a huge hassle, but having spent three years doing exactly the
same for a kidney-damaged cat I can promise it's not as bad as it
sounds!). She used to include a high proportion of carbohydrate -
mainly bread or left-over porridge (remember, I'm a Scot!) and a certain
amount of low protein such as tripe, often mixed with left-over gravy.
In my experience, if you make up a reasonable amount - maybe a week's
worth, depending on the ambient temperatures - of pet food of this sort,
and keep it refrigerated (obviously you can't keep it frozen on a boat),
the initial effort is well rewarded.
I am sure there is another couple here who keep "working dogs" on their
boat (Australian cattle dogs, or something like that? I really should
know by now - they have a really weird name - the dogs, I mean!) and I
am sure that they will reply to you too.
But I have seen many posts from people on how they have hauled their
idiot dogs back onto the boat. I am glad that yours are wearing
flotation aids - do they also wear a harness strong enough to take their
own weight under the haul of a boating hook?
And do, please, ask Mike Stevens or Julian Tether (is he still here, or
just on the OehprList?) how they cope with cats on board! Or just check
on Deja!
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> We would be grateful for any tips from experienced dog-owning canalboaters.
We have friends in Fleet who have taken a Border Collie on canal holidays
since 1990. Their dog, Bess, used to love to chase ducks and other birds
if she got a chance. She is pretty old now, and is much more content to
lie about the boat keeping an eye on things. But when she was younger,
one thing that helped was to take her on regular walks along the towpath.
The walks (runs and trots for Bess) helped meet her need for excercise.
It is my understanding that Border Collies can get very uptight if they
are not given regular excercise, which substitutes for work in a
non-working dog.
I suspect your dogs will settle down as they get used to the boat. We
have a Nova Scotia Duck Tolling Retriever (about the size of a Border
Collie) that we always take with us on cruises on our diesel trawler. RJ
(named for R.J. Mitchell) at first was all over the boat until he got used
to it, after which he settled down. About the only time he gets really
excited now is when we pull into a bay and he knows he'll get to go ashore
in the dinghy.
Finally, while Border Collies (and Duck Tollers) are very energetic dogs,
they are very intelligent and can be disciplined and trained. The fact
that your dogs had a free life in South Africa does not mean they cannot
be trained to be more restrained on your boat. It may take a bit of time
and effort, but I suspect your dogs can eventually become great boating
companions. Our friend's Bess certainly is, and our RJ is a delight to
have on our trawler.
C. Marin Faure
author, Flying A Floatplane
We arrived at a lock in France where a black retriever-like bitzer
belonging to the lock-keeper loved to run across the gates and back.
His master threw a large (and I mean large) stick across the cut for
him. He tried and tried to get it back, but it was wider than the rails
on the lock gates. Eventually his master went and showed him how it
should be done (i.e. take one end in the mouth, not the centre) after
which there was no stopping him!
>If there
>are people about and/or there is more than one lock we use the 10M lead and
>tie him to a fence post or something so he can move about but is not a
>danger to himself or others. Of course you must remember to retrieve him
>once you have gone through the lock, ask my wife about that one.
>
Pat? Please tell us? Please?
> We would be grateful for any tips from experienced dog-owning canalboaters.
SNIP
> Any anecdotal experiences, whether on boat-design, dog-restraining or simply
> potential 'danger' areas would be more than welcome.
I suspect that there are bits about boating with les animaux in
Georges Canal pages, which might help.
Toodle pip!!
Bill
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Big snip
My mother never
> bought tinned food, but always made up home-cooked food for Corrie .....
>tripe, often mixed with left-over gravy.
Ah, that takes me back. I used to feed my dogs tripe (with dog meal) but it
was not the horrible sanitised stuff you can (could?) buy from a butcher.
No. I equipped myself with a couple of wine pails (with lids) and went to
the local slaughtehouse where they put a couple of dirty, still warm, tripe
into each pail. They were covered in grass and worse but boy, did the dogs
love them. When I got home, I took pails into the back garden and with the
help of a very sharp knife, cut the tripe into dog size bits (which got
bigger as I was getting near the end of this process). These were packed
into old marge and ice cream containers and put in a freezer I kept
specially for the purpose.
As it only cost me about £2 for four tripe which lasted several months,
this was a very cheap source of nutritous dog food.
Sadly, new regulations stopped this practice. In fact, I think it had been
illegal for a while but the local slaughter house were happy to operate this
back door supply. The workie who lifted the warm tripe into my pails, with
his bare hands, always made the comment, "I don't know how you can handle
this stuff!".
Ann.
Chris K
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SNIP
> >If there
> >are people about and/or there is more than one lock we use the 10M lead
and
> >tie him to a fence post or something so he can move about but is not a
> >danger to himself or others. Of course you must remember to retrieve him
> >once you have gone through the lock, ask my wife about that one.
> >
> Pat? Please tell us? Please?
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> Molly (change nospam to orbs to email me)
> Visit http://www.thehungersite.com for a totally free and simple way
> to donate food to the hungry. (Go on, try it!)
Foxton flight we tied him at the top them moved him halfway down then got
out of the bottom lock turned right to moor up. After doing so she remebered
the poor boy was still tied up halfway up the flight.
Chris K
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>
>Ann.
>
>
It is not just that the exercise is a substitute for work but it also
provides essential mental stimulation. When you or I are sitting in the
boat/house we can entertain ourselves by reading a book, looking at a
seemingly infinite number of web sites, watching television, cooking, etc,
etc. A dog can do no such things and their perspective of life is similar
to that of a person imprisoned in a bear room with no input or stimulation.
The dog relies on going out to new environments and seeing and smelling new
things.
This does mean that boating can be an ideal pastime to share with a dog, but
the dog does have to learn that being on board is alright and that, whilst
there, they have to be calm and there are certain rules to be obeyed.
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> We would be grateful for any tips from experienced dog-owning
canalboaters.
> We returned to England six months ago, putting our two 4 year old Border
> Collies into quarantine. During their absence we acquired a 45 foot boat
You could also try looking at alt.animals.dogs.collies.open-forum for some
ideas
There are a lot of knowledgeable people on that group.
Ian Boddison <b...@bod1.freeserve.co.uk> wrote in message
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>
> To give you some idea, my 2 year old Collie has four walks every day
plus, at least, 6
> hours every weekend, she goes to agility classes twice every week to keep
> her mind active and this is just enough exercise (both mental and
physical)
> for a Collie.
> Cheers,
> Bod
> (and Floss (2yr Collie) and Omey (11yr Collie Cross))
Sandra & Neville Crook
nb Kulmbach
> We would be grateful for any tips from experienced dog-owning
canalboaters.
> We returned to England six months ago, putting our two 4 year old Border
> Collies into quarantine. During their absence we acquired a 45 foot boat
> with transom cruiser stern and a small bow deck. Whilst awaiting the
return
> of our dogs we experienced many relaxing and leisurely weekends cruising
the
> canals, and eagerly awaited the return of our canine companions. Fondly,
we
> imagined, they would spend their days relaxing on the roof of the boat, or
> dozing on the bow deck, idly contemplating the passing landscaping.
Alas,
> on their release from quarantine, we must say that after two 1 day boating
> experiences with them, it seems that narrowboating with dogs may not be
> quite the relaxing past-time that we had anticipated.
As you will know, Border Collies are highly intelligent dogs but they are
also very insecure and highly strung. This makes them one of the worst
possible breeds to undergo the stress of the ordeal of quarantine. I am
sure that you have noticed a distinct change in your dogs.
Your dogs will have thought they had been abandoned by the only thing that
really matters to them - you. I am sure that they will take to their
new boating environment in time but what they need is space and your time
rebuilding your relationship with them. They need to be played with and
given plenty of space to run off their energy, and being collies they will
have plenty of that!
Collies are good strong swimmers but are not normally ones for finding water
just for the fun of it. However, they have a strong herding instinct and
will try to herd anything if this is not channelled. If they are
charging around then they need more mental stimulation in the form of toys,
quality play time with you and walks in interesting places. To give you
some idea, my 2 year old Collie has four walks every day plus, at least, 6
hours every weekend, she goes to agility classes twice every week to keep
her mind active and this is just enough exercise (both mental and physical)
for a Collie.
Give the dogs the love and time that they need and they will respect you
again enough to live comfortably with you on the boat. But Collies are
not the sort of dog to lie down quietly and let the world go by - they have
to be on the go all the time. Remember that you have just put them
through one of the most stressful experiences a dog can go through and they
have gone through it without their greatest security - you.
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Michael Cobb
nb Touch and Tell
Neville Crook wrote in message <8586bs$9ei$1...@gxsn.com>...
>We would be grateful for any tips from experienced dog-owning canalboaters.
<snip>
>Thanks to all who responded, (and any latecomers would still be
>appreciated). To respond to some of the points made: we tend to feed the
>dogs on Winalot wholemeal mixer with Pedigree tinned dog food so we feel
>relatively relaxed on the hyperactivity score. I'm not sure I could get
>intimately involved with tripe in its unprocessed form....so I'll let that
>one pass for the time being. Ultimately we hope to be able to tie the dogs
>up in the vicinity of the locks, as suggested, but just at the moment they
>need to prove their inter-canine sociability skills.....not something they
>demonstrated in quarantine whilst barking incessantly at the rows of other
>unfortunates on either side.
Really just to encourage you!
You may have to take the odd risk but it can usually be engineered so
that you can keep control of things.
It will be OK if you just stick with the retraining. Kathy and I have
never boated without at least one dog with us. They all have been able
to swim and have needed only a hand on the collar to get them up the
odd steep side onto the path. One of our collies swims for sport, It
quite suprised a small child feeding the ducks when she slipped in
among the ducks looking for a share of their bread.
If you think collies are bit "lively" try a Collie/GSD cross. We had
a 3yr old rescue one, before our current dogs. When we first took her
boating she leapt from the boat and swam ahead to come and "help" me
at the second lock we came to. She then explored several novel methods
of crossing the lock, none of which included the convenient foot
bridge, but most spectacular of all was the 7ft jump straight across.
Yes, I guess you could say she was a bit mad.
A few trips on in her boating career as we were leaving B'mingham at
Salford Junc I realised that we had just come up the Wolverhampton
locks thro' the city etc,etc. and she had not needed to be put on a
lead but had behaved herself perfectly on and off the boat even at the
locks. I can't tell you how pleased we were.....
Our newest collie had picked up the barking trait whilst she was in
rescue kennels before we got her. With help from an understanding dog
training class after two sessions sitting at the side we managed to
get her to join in reasonably quietly it WILL get better.
John & Kathy Baldwin
Not last time I looked!!!
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Cheers,
Bod
>Many thanks,
> and if you happen to pass us on the waterways, we apologise in advance for
> the barking!
I would much rather hear someone's dogs barking on the cut than have to
put up with listening to someone's generator or TV/VCR/stereo going full
blast for hours on end. On the canals we tend to cruise (Shropshire
Union, Macclesfield, Trent & Mersey, etc.) there are a lot of farms, which
mean a lot of dogs. Dog barking is part of the scene as far as my wife
and I are concerned, along with sheep bleating, cow lowing (mooing?), and
horse snorting. While I'm sure there are people on the cut who will
object to any sounds other than the ones they make themeselves, as far as
I'm concerned your dogs should feel free to bark away. They'll probably
get some interesting (to them) answers from the dogs who live along the
canal.
Philip n/b October Wind
Neville Crook <nscc...@dialstart.net> wrote in message
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> We would be grateful for any tips from experienced dog-owning
canalboaters.
> We returned to England six months ago, putting our two 4 year old Border
> Collies into quarantine. During their absence we acquired a 45 foot boat
> with transom cruiser stern and a small bow deck. Whilst awaiting the
return
> of our dogs we experienced many relaxing and leisurely weekends cruising
the
> canals, and eagerly awaited the return of our canine companions. Fondly,
we
> imagined, they would spend their days relaxing on the roof of the boat, or
> dozing on the bow deck, idly contemplating the passing landscaping.
Alas,
> on their release from quarantine, we must say that after two 1 day boating
> experiences with them, it seems that narrowboating with dogs may not be
> quite the relaxing past-time that we had anticipated.
>
> Any anecdotal experiences, whether on boat-design, dog-restraining or
simply
> potential 'danger' areas would be more than welcome.
>
>