Difference between rope and cord?
Nick Pedley
about the proper term to call "8 Plait Polypropylene, 4mm thick" which I use
to teach my Scouts various knots. It can be seen as the last item at the
bottom of this webpage -
http://www.englishbraids.com/products/indexm.html
I will admit to not knowing much about ropes and rope terminology apart from
basic knots and pretty much nothing about sailing!, but when something is
sold in the ROPE section of a boatyard shop and is labelled ROPE on the
reel, display stand and manufacturer website, I call it rope. The Canadian
guy insists it should be called Cord.
What do you guys think? (Apologies if this is covered in any FAQ or starts a
flamewar, I am a newbie here!)
Thanks,
Nick
Stefan Lloyd
"Nick Pedley" <nichola...@npedley.freeserve.co.uk> wrote in message
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I'm with the Canadian. Somewhere around 7-8mm it becomes rope.
Tee
There has never been a rope aboard my vessle. Only lines and every one
has a name so there is no misunderstanding amongst the crew.
"Hey, pull those lines" is confusing.
"Hey, pull the jibsheet in and adjust the guy " is not.
AFAIK "rope" is a raw material to make lines from, other than that it
is landlubber terminology.
In contrast to rope all my lines have whippings at the end with or
without splices.
Simon Brooke
> I'm having a little disagreement with a Canadian chap on another ng, mainly
> about the proper term to call "8 Plait Polypropylene, 4mm thick" which I use
> to teach my Scouts various knots. It can be seen as the last item at the
> bottom of this webpage -
> http://www.englishbraids.com/products/indexm.html
>
> What do you guys think? (Apologies if this is covered in any FAQ or starts a
> flamewar, I am a newbie here!)
It's a bit thin for rope and a bit thick for cord. Call it whatever
you like. I'd probably call it 'line'.
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Never heard of a man rope, I suppose?
"Tee" <hot...@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:7460ivg50vef0e82g...@4ax.com...
> On Thu, 24 Jul 2003 18:16:10 +0100, "Nick Pedley"
> <>
MGP
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http://www.thesaurus-dictionary.com/
Focus Word: rope
1. a large, stout cord, usually one not less than an inch in circumference,
made of strands twisted or braided together. it differs from cord, line, and
string, only in its size. see cordage. a row or string consisting of a
number of things united, as by braiding, twining, etc.; as, a rope of
onions. the small intestines; as, the ropes of birds.
Focus Word: cord
1. a string, or small rope, composed of several strands twisted together. a
solid measure, equivalent to 128 cubic feet; a pile of wood, or other coarse
material, eight feet long, four feet high, and four feet broad; --
originally measured with a cord or line. fig.: any moral influence by which
persons are caught, held, or drawn, as if by a cord; an enticement; as, the
cords of the wicked; the cords of sin; the cords of vanity. any structure
having the appearance of a cord, esp. a tendon or a nerve. see under
spermatic, spinal, umbilical, vocal. see chord.
Ian Malcolm
>
> Never heard of a man rope, I suppose?
Or Boltrope?
>
> "Tee" <hot...@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:7460ivg50vef0e82g...@4ax.com...
> > On Thu, 24 Jul 2003 18:16:10 +0100, "Nick Pedley"
> > <>
> > There has never been a rope aboard my vessle. Only lines and every one
> > has a name so there is no misunderstanding amongst the crew.
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"Nick Pedley" <nichola...@npedley.freeserve.co.uk> wrote in message
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mainly
> about the proper term to call "8 Plait Polypropylene, 4mm thick" which I
use
> to teach my Scouts various knots. It can be seen as the last item at the
> bottom of this webpage -
You should get out more :-)
Nick Pedley
"Jassira" <nigelremovethis...@jassira.com> wrote in message
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(unlike the other guy) and so far it seems that the term 'cord', while being
the correct technical term (with no actual definition), is so little used to
the point that the term '(thin) rope' is better understood.
Nick
Nick Pedley
"Steve Firth" <usene...@malloc.co.uk> wrote in message
news:1fynnmg.1nelfc7x3auk3N%%steve%@malloc.co.uk...> OED
>
> Cord - thin rope or string
> Rope - stout cord
> Hawser - stout rope
>
> There, that clears it all up.
>
Yeah... I guess so.... How thin is the thin rope? :-)
Nick
Jassira
>
Thinner than a really thin thing
Nick Pedley
> > Yeah... I guess so.... How thin is the thin rope? :-)
> >
>
> Thinner than a really thin thing
>
>
all.
Nick
Alan Frame
Twice as long as the distance from either end to the middle!
Oh, wrong question, sorry.
HTH, Alan
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J. Allan
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What you call it is your business.
Ropes are made from fibres spun into yarns, which are twisted together
to form strands, which are then laid up into rope. Rope usually means
laid rope, with three or four strands twisted together in a spiral.
Other stuff that is plaited or braided is 'plait' or 'braid' or 'cord'.
'Cordage' is the collective name for all types of ropes and cords.
Cordage under half an inch in circumference is called 'small stuff' and
includes small 'rope', braided or plaited synthetics and twines, marline
and so on.
All the palaver about words is not really important. It probably comes
from the old days of sail when every line on a ship had its own proper
name, and it was very important to name it properly, hence talking about
'ropes' was much deprecated.
John
Peter Styles
On Sun, 27 Jul 2003, J. Allan wrote:
> "Nick Pedley" <nichola...@npedley.freeserve.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:bfp48s$b4i$1...@news6.svr.pol.co.uk
> > I'm having a little disagreement with a Canadian chap on another ng,
> > mainly about the proper term to call "8 Plait Polypropylene, 4mm
> > thick" which I use to teach my Scouts various knots. It can be seen
> > as the last item at the bottom of this webpage -
> > http://www.englishbraids.com/products/indexm.html
> >
>
> Ropes are made from fibres spun into yarns, which are twisted together
> to form strands, which are then laid up into rope. Rope usually means
> laid rope, with three or four strands twisted together in a spiral.
> Other stuff that is plaited or braided is 'plait' or 'braid' or 'cord'.
>
> 'Cordage' is the collective name for all types of ropes and cords.
>
> Cordage under half an inch in circumference is called 'small stuff' and
> includes small 'rope', braided or plaited synthetics and twines, marline
> and so on.
>
> All the palaver about words is not really important. It probably comes
> from the old days of sail when every line on a ship had its own proper
> name, and it was very important to name it properly, hence talking about
> 'ropes' was much deprecated.
>
> John
Everything on my boat is called 'string', thus eliminating both ambiguity
and aggrandizement.
:-)
P
J. Allan
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> Everything on my boat is called 'string', thus eliminating both
> ambiguity and aggrandizement.
> :-)
Yup, once sailed on a quite competitive boat where the standard
instruction for any needed trim on anything was "give that string a
pull". If you didn't pull the right string the right amount you got to
look for a new boat.
John
Brian Walsh
>Yeah... I guess so.... How thin is the thin rope? :-)
>
Thinner than stout string?
Chris
"martin" <mar...@wanadoo.nl> wrote in message
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: On Sun, 27 Jul 2003 11:23:45 GMT, bri...@despammed.com (Brian Walsh)
: wrote:
:
: >
: >>Yeah... I guess so.... How thin is the thin rope? :-)
: >>
: >
: >Thinner than stout string?
:
: but longer?
: --
: martin
Isn't cord "braided" as opposed to "laid" like rope?
Chris
The Floating Bear
<Pine.SOL.4.05.103072...@mrssun1.jr2.ox.ac.uk>,
pst...@bioch.ox.ac.uk (Peter Styles) wrote:
> Everything on my boat is called 'string'
String
is a very important thing
Rope is thicker
but string is quicker
Spike Milligna, the well-known typing error
Regards,
Jerry
Simon Brooke
> All the palaver about words is not really important. It probably comes
> from the old days of sail when every line on a ship had its own proper
> name, and it was very important to name it properly, hence talking about
> 'ropes' was much deprecated.
So what's changed? If you can think of a boat on which every piece of
rope doesn't have it's own special name I shall be most
surprised. I find it handy to have all my ropes colour coded so that
when I have novice crew aboard I can say 'pull the red rope'; but when
you have crew who know what they are doing you will tend to say 'can I
have six inches more in on the port jib sheet' and expect that they
will know at once what the port jib sheet is.
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Wally
> > Isn't cord "braided" as opposed to "laid" like rope?
> In brief, no.
I always thought it was the difference.
> Anchorplait is rope (braided)
> Multiplait is rope (braided)
Is there a difference between plait and braid?
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Eric Clarke
guitar. OK so its chord but its a joke...cord is what you use to tie her to
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Simon Brooke
> On Sun, 27 Jul 2003 14:05:07 GMT, Simon Brooke <si...@jasmine.org.uk>
> wrote:
>
> >"J. Allan" <all...@s054.aone.net.au> writes:
> >
> >> All the palaver about words is not really important. It probably comes
> >> from the old days of sail when every line on a ship had its own proper
> >> name, and it was very important to name it properly, hence talking about
> >> 'ropes' was much deprecated.
> >
> >So what's changed? If you can think of a boat on which every piece of
> >rope doesn't have it's own special name I shall be most
> >surprised. I find it handy to have all my ropes colour coded so that
> >when I have novice crew aboard I can say 'pull the red rope';
>
> and what do you do with colour blind crew members?
> and normally sighted crew members in the pitch dark?
I don't take novice crew out in the pitch dark.
> > but when
> >you have crew who know what they are doing you will tend to say 'can I
> >have six inches more in on the port jib sheet' and expect that they
> >will know at once what the port jib sheet is.
>
> but does a metricated crew know what 6" means.
They'll have to guess :-P
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Chris
: Chris <ch...@ross-engineering.fsnet.co.uk> wrote:
:
: > Isn't cord "braided" as opposed to "laid" like rope?
:
: In brief, no.
:
: Anchorplait is rope (braided)
: Multiplait is rope (braided)
Right!
Absracted from "Nautical terms under sail" Rope - is a general term
applied to all cordage more than than one inch in diameter. Normally made of
hemp yarn (sometimes tarred) and twisted or laid into rope. THe direction of
the lay, and the amount of tension put into the rope, varies acoording to
the purpose for which it is required. Until recently the dimension given of
a rope referred to ts circumference. Stranded wire rope was introduced
towards the end of the nineteenth century.
Cordage - General term used to describe strands or rope of hemp or other
fibres befroe these are laid up or finished for a specific purpose.
Chris R
Simon Brooke
> > Anchorplait is rope (braided)
> > Multiplait is rope (braided)
>
> Is there a difference between plait and braid?
Yup. In braid there are normally groups of yarns parallel to each
other woven through other groups round the perimeter of the rope,
while the core of the rope is normally separate and may comprise of
linear yarns neither woven nor twisted. Plait comprises yarns plaited
together. There's no separate sheath and core, and the yarns are not
woven in groups.
> I demand rigidly-defined areas of uncertainty!
And who will that hurt?
Simon, qualified philosopher.
Simon Brooke
> Ropes what you hang yourself with and cord is something like E major on the
> guitar. OK so its chord but its a joke...cord is what you use to tie her to
> the bedpost for some serious passion.
I use rope for that.
norman
but string is quicker"
The way I heard it, :-
"Candy is dandy
But liquor is quicker"
Ian Sandell
>his gravestone is inscribed with the epitaph
>
>"I told you I was ill."
I believe that he joked that it should be his epitaph, but family rows
have prevented any headstone, at least until recently.
Ian
Eric Clarke
Eric
"Simon Brooke" <si...@jasmine.org.uk> wrote in message
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Dave
>
> http://www.thesaurus-dictionary.com/
>
> Focus Word: rope
>
> 1. a large, stout cord, usually one not less than an inch in circumference,
> made of strands twisted or braided together. it differs from cord, line, and
> string, only in its size. see cordage. a row or string consisting of a
> number of things united, as by braiding, twining, etc.; as, a rope of
> onions. the small intestines; as, the ropes of birds.
>
>
>
> Focus Word: cord
>
> 1. a string, or small rope, composed of several strands twisted together. a
> solid measure, equivalent to 128 cubic feet; a pile of wood, or other coarse
> material, eight feet long, four feet high, and four feet broad; --
> originally measured with a cord or line. fig.: any moral influence by which
> persons are caught, held, or drawn, as if by a cord; an enticement; as, the
> cords of the wicked; the cords of sin; the cords of vanity. any structure
> having the appearance of a cord, esp. a tendon or a nerve. see under
> spermatic, spinal, umbilical, vocal. see chord.
>
And 'string'? Smaller than cord? Our lightweight spectra spinnaker
sheets are pretty much string to me (expensive string perhaps), not that
I get involved with that nonsense, tend to stay nearer the back of
the boat and avoid the cheesewire (oops another term) taking my hands off...
D
Dave
> Nick Pedley <nichola...@npedley.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:
>
>
>>How thin is the thin rope?
>
>
> Irony being a substance that is less valuable than bronzy or goldy heh?
>
Ah something ironic is ferrous in nature...
D
Dave
> Ropes what you hang yourself with and cord is something like E major on the
> guitar. OK so its chord but its a joke...cord is what you use to tie her to
> the bedpost for some serious passion.
silk scarf...
nova
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>
> "Nick Pedley" <nichola...@npedley.freeserve.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:bfp48s$b4i$1...@news6.svr.pol.co.uk...
> > I'm having a little disagreement with a Canadian chap on another ng,
> mainly
> > about the proper term to call "8 Plait Polypropylene, 4mm thick" which I
> use
> > to teach my Scouts various knots. It can be seen as the last item at the
> > bottom of this webpage -
> > http://www.englishbraids.com/products/indexm.html
> >
> > I will admit to not knowing much about ropes and rope terminology apart
> from
> > basic knots and pretty much nothing about sailing!, but when something
is
> > sold in the ROPE section of a boatyard shop and is labelled ROPE on the
> > reel, display stand and manufacturer website, I call it rope. The
Canadian
> > guy insists it should be called Cord.
> >
> > What do you guys think? (Apologies if this is covered in any FAQ or
starts
> a
> > flamewar, I am a newbie here!)
> >
>
> I'm with the Canadian. Somewhere around 7-8mm it becomes rope.
>
>
nova
called entangled riggings. LOL
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> On Fri, 25 Jul 2003 13:50:41 +0100, usene...@malloc.co.uk (Steve
> Firth) wrote:
>
> >GuyFawkes <m...@home.ma> wrote:
> >
> >> rope is thicker, mooring warps etc
> >
> >Hawser.
> >
> >> where you draw the line is a different matter, for me its 1/2 inch
> >
> >So this stuff on the winch on my 4x4 is wire cord is it? <snigger>
>
> nah, that's wire rope, if that was thicker than 1/2 inch it would be
> cable... lol
>
>
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make up ropes, ropes are used for lines in various marine environs. cords
can make up plaits on larger rope. In general it is all called cordage
within the industry of manufacture.
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> Simple Simon wrote:
> >
> > Never heard of a man rope, I suppose?
>
> Or Boltrope?
> >
> > "Tee" <hot...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> > > On Thu, 24 Jul 2003 18:16:10 +0100, "Nick Pedley"
> > > <>
> > > There has never been a rope aboard my vessle. Only lines and every one
> > > has a name so there is no misunderstanding amongst the crew.
>
>
> --
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Wally
> "Wally" <at...@dotat.atdot> writes:
>
> > > Anchorplait is rope (braided)
> > > Multiplait is rope (braided)
> >
> > Is there a difference between plait and braid?
>
> Yup. In braid there are normally groups of yarns parallel to each
> other woven through other groups round the perimeter of the rope,
> while the core of the rope is normally separate and may comprise of
> linear yarns neither woven nor twisted. Plait comprises yarns plaited
> together. There's no separate sheath and core, and the yarns are not
> woven in groups.
Yup, that's my understanding, too.
> > I demand rigidly-defined areas of uncertainty!
> And who will that hurt?
I suppose it depends on whether one prefers a scope-limited gravy train, or
the full seven million year free-for-all.
> Simon, qualified philosopher.
Wally, casual (causal?) epistemologist.
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I demand rigidly-defined areas of uncertainty!
Pete Verdon
>> Focus Word: rope
>>
>> 1. a large, stout cord, usually one not less than an inch in
>> circumference, made of strands twisted or braided together.
>> Focus Word: cord
>>
>> 1. a string, or small rope, composed of several strands twisted together.
Rope: made of steel wire.
Cordage: made of natural or artificial fibres.
Or that's what the Royal Engineers taught us at school, anyway.
Pete