Yay! I have been banned by the FJR club!

[TMack]

I am proud of myself! have had my membership of the FJR (motorcycle) club withdrawn by Philip Hacker, the
owner of the "club", (a for-profit business) because I complained about an issue of the club journal that
contained a bunch of racist jokes. This happened a week after another of the club's managers had written to
me acknowledging that the complaint was valid and offering assurances that efforts would be made to avoid
racist jokes in future. It seems that racism is alive and well in the UK - but at least I won't be subsidising it via
my club subscriptions.

--
Tony
'09 FJR1300, '07 Street Triple OMF#24

[Mark Olson]

Did Mr. Hacker have decency to at least refund your dues?

I can never get over how thin skinned and power-mad some of these
club types are.

[TMack]

On Tue, 08 Nov 2016 13:15:33 +0000, Krusty wrote:

> Are you going the full Lady Nina & unfriending people who find racist
> jokes funny, or just sticking with a half-Nina?

Hang on a minute. The FJR club "unfriended" me - not the other way round!

[TMack]

Oh yes, refunded. Apparently cancelling my membership was done for my own good. To protect me from the
risk of being offended in future! It looks like he has been stewing about this for a week or more but in the end
he just couldn't live with knowing that someone had the temerity to complain about something - in spite of one
of his managers/partners initially responding to my complaint with "You are correct. It won’t happen again." No
great loss to me. The only real advantage of paying the membership fee was access to some offers on spares
- I'm sure Ebay will fill that void.

[YTC#1]

On 08/11/2016 14:02, Krusty wrote:

> Yes, because you found their jokes offensive. When LN found a joke
> offensive, she unfriended anyone who wasn't equally offended.
>

What was the joke ?


--
Bruce Porter
"The internet is a huge and diverse community but mainly friendly"
http://ytc1.blogspot.co.uk/
There *is* an alternative! http://www.openoffice.org/

[Colin Irvine]

Plus there must be quite a few of us who, while generally deploring racist
jokes, find it impossible not to laugh at the occasional gem.

--
Colin Irvine
ZZR1400

[TMack]

Frankly, I don't always feel the need to have a go when a racist, homophobic or sexist joke or comment is
made by an individual. However, when it's a recurring theme in a publication from a club that that asks me to
pay for membership then, a far as I am concerned, the line has been crossed.

[YTC#1]

On 08/11/2016 14:45, Krusty wrote:

> YTC#1 wrote:
>
>> On 08/11/2016 14:02, Krusty wrote:
>>>
>>> Yes, because you found their jokes offensive. When LN found a joke
>>> offensive, she unfriended anyone who wasn't equally offended.
>>>
>>
>> What was the joke ?
>

> Dunno, something about rape.
>

Never a funny subject

[Mark Olson]

Krusty <dontw...@nowhere.invalid> wrote:

> Yes, because you found their jokes offensive. When LN found a joke
> offensive, she unfriended anyone who wasn't equally offended.

I used to get emails from a rabid left-winger whose signature line
was something along the lines of: "if you're not incensed/offended/up
in arms/etc. you're not paying attention!!!!!!!!!!" .

[Champ]

On Tue, 8 Nov 2016 16:15:52 +0000, YTC#1 <b...@ytc1-spambin.co.uk>

wrote:

>>>> Yes, because you found their jokes offensive. When LN found a joke
>>>> offensive, she unfriended anyone who wasn't equally offended.

>>> What was the joke ?

>> Dunno, something about rape.

>Never a funny subject

It's my view that there are *no* subjects which are out of bounds for
humour. Although it's a pretty unfashionable view nowadays, where
taking offence has become an international sport.

[Stephen Packer]

That's true enough if the humour is original and funny; Franky Boyle
for example.

If the 'joke' is just that it's racist/about rape etc. (e.g. Bernard
Manning) then it's really not funny- and sadly it seems that many find
the offensive funny just because it is offensive.

[Thomas]

On Tue, 08 Nov 2016 11:05:52 -0800, Champ <ne...@champ.org.uk> wrote:

> On Tue, 8 Nov 2016 16:15:52 +0000, YTC#1 <b...@ytc1-spambin.co.uk>
> wrote:
>
>>>>> Yes, because you found their jokes offensive. When LN found a joke
>>>>> offensive, she unfriended anyone who wasn't equally offended.
>
>>>> What was the joke ?
>
>>> Dunno, something about rape.
>
>> Never a funny subject
>
> It's my view that there are *no* subjects which are out of bounds for
> humour.

True, but attitude is all-important. Who/what are you making fun of, and
why? I'm reminded of some Lina Wertmuller films, especially The Seduction
of Mimi.

[benb...@gmail.com]

On Tuesday, November 8, 2016 at 2:05:56 PM UTC-5, Champ wrote:
>
> It's my view that there are *no* subjects which are out of bounds for
> humour. Although it's a pretty unfashionable view nowadays, where
> taking offence has become an international sport.

I agree. The distinction is between the *subject* of the joke, and the *object* of the joke. One is okay, and the other is not (and not funny).

[TMack]

GPWM. I only tend to object to jokes that involve race, ethnicity, cultural groupings etc. if they depend on
negative stereotypes. The problem is that they reinforce these negative stereotypes and normalise them, thus
legitimising discrimination.

[c...@post.netunix.com]

TMack <qw...@yuiop.com> wrote:
>
> GPWM. I only tend to object to jokes that involve race, ethnicity, cultural groupings etc. if they depend on
> negative stereotypes. The problem is that they reinforce these negative stereotypes and normalise them, thus
> legitimising discrimination.

Some are traditional and indeed part of our humour heritage.
There was an englishman, a scotsman and an irishman...............

[YTC#1]

Taking offence, and finding something unfunny are not the same thing.

However, when the tory MP on HIGNFY mentioned "time of the month", the
silence from the audience was deafening.

Especially as it was chaired by Victoria Cohen-M

[Champ]

On Wed, 9 Nov 2016 08:26:16 -0000 (UTC), "Krusty"
<dontw...@nowhere.invalid> wrote:

>somewhat inexplicably, there are people who find Peter Kaye & Michael
>McIntyre funny.

yeah, I'm baffled by that too.

[Champ]

OK, so here's my favourite (probably only) racist joke:

Q. Why didn't the nigger want his daughter to marry a mexican?
A. Because he didn't want his grandkids to grow up too lazy to steal
for a living.

On the surface, this is just two awful stereotypes. But the way it
melds them together exposes them for what they are, and, imo, turns
the target towards people who might hold these views.

Or maybe not - humour is the ultimate subjectivity.

[Colin Irvine]

I like Peter Kaye, largely because I'm familiar with the objects of most
of his gentle humour. Having said that, my favourite routine of his is
misheard lyrics.

--
Colin Irvine
ZZR1400

[TMack]

On Wed, 09 Nov 2016 08:26:16 +0000, Krusty wrote:

> Aye. I think we need to see TMack's jokes to give a second opinion.
> Going on past experience, I wonder if they were even racist.

As I said on FB, they were racist enough for the other manager/partner who first responded to my complaint to
say in his email to me "You are correct. It won’t happen again". It took a week before Hacker decided to
dredge the issue up again and then shoot the messenger. Frankly, I don't GAF about other people's tolerance
levels for jokes aimed at minority groups. I choose to challenge such stuff, particularly if it appears to be
habitual rather than an occasional lapse in taste.

[TMack]

Your particular interpretation of that "joke" doesn't make it OK. It would probably go down well with Britain
First or the EDL. However, Try telling it at your place of work and see how much your employers laugh. Try
telling it to some black guys to find out how funny they think it is.

There are people who think it is very funny to denigrate minority ethnic and cultural groups; there are people
who will mock the disabled for laughs; there are people who think that causing gratuitous harm to others is very
amusing - their humour doesn't justify their actions "It's funny" does not override all the rules of civilised society.

[Champ]

On Wed, 9 Nov 2016 10:37:37 -0000 (UTC), TMack <qw...@yuiop.com>

wrote:

>>>> It's my view that there are *no* subjects which are out of bounds for
>>>> humour. Although it's a pretty unfashionable view nowadays, where
>>>> taking offence has become an international sport.

>> OK, so here's my favourite (probably only) racist joke:
>>
>> Q. Why didn't the nigger want his daughter to marry a mexican?
>> A. Because he didn't want his grandkids to grow up too lazy to steal
>> for a living.
>>
>> On the surface, this is just two awful stereotypes. But the way it
>> melds them together exposes them for what they are, and, imo, turns the
>> target towards people who might hold these views.
>>
>> Or maybe not - humour is the ultimate subjectivity.

>Your particular interpretation of that "joke" doesn't make it OK. It would probably go down well with Britain
>First or the EDL. However, Try telling it at your place of work and see how much your employers laugh. Try
>telling it to some black guys to find out how funny they think it is.

You appear to be saying that for a joke to be funny, it must be
amusing for 100% of people who hear it. That is never going to be the
case. I wouldn't tell the joke at work, because clearly there's the
possibility of people not realising I'm trying to invoke some irony.
And I wouldn't tell it to anyone who was black (or mexican) unless I
already had a solid friendship with them (i.e. I *have* told it to my
mate Mike Horton)

>There are people who think it is very funny to denigrate minority ethnic and cultural groups; there are people
>who will mock the disabled for laughs; there are people who think that causing gratuitous harm to others is very
>amusing - their humour doesn't justify their actions "It's funny" does not override all the rules of civilised society.

I've never said that humour overrides the rules of civilised society.
I'm allowed to say that I don't find something funny. I'm not allowed
to tell someone else that he shouldn't find something funny. Of
course, if he finds something funny that I find offensive, then we
have different world views, and probably aren't going to get along.

[Pete Fisher]

How do you put that "not getting along" in to practice?

--
KTM 250 EXC - back to the Dark Side
Gilera GFR, Moto Morini 2C/375
Moto Morini 2C ('Forgotten Era Hillclimber MKII back in development')
Kawasaki ER6-N (for two up bimbling duties)

"Do not adjust your mind, there is a fault in the reality"

[ogden]

Not only do I not find McIntyre funny, but he seems to suck the sense of
humour out of me so I'm unable to find anything else funny for some time
afterwards.

To use a cutting-edge Harry Potter reference, he's like some kind of
humour dementor. Awful.

--
ogden

[ogden]

I'm genuinely shocked that you just told a joke, in any context, that
includes the word 'nigger'. Let alone that you've gone on to try to
justify it.

--
ogden

[TMack]

No matter how funny a racist joke might seem to be, what is the justification for telling it to someone else? That
IS under your control. Where there is a high level of mutual understanding that it is "ironic" then the adverse
implications might be fairly minimal. However, when something is published in magazine that is to be circulated
among a wide group of people, then there is no guarantee that it won't be taken at face value i.e. as crudely
racist. Put it another way, if somebody who didn't know you overheard you telling that joke, what would be
their likely interpretation of the joke and the person telling it?

[TMack]

Not just me then.

OTOH, I have really enjoyed watching videos of some of Peter Kay's stage performances and I have laughed
out loud at some of that stuff. However, his TV sitcoms leave me cold.

[Bruce Horrocks]

On 09/11/2016 09:46, YTC#1 wrote:
> On 08/11/2016 19:05, Champ wrote:
>> On Tue, 8 Nov 2016 16:15:52 +0000, YTC#1 <b...@ytc1-spambin.co.uk>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>>>> Yes, because you found their jokes offensive. When LN found a joke
>>>>>> offensive, she unfriended anyone who wasn't equally offended.
>>
>>>>> What was the joke ?
>>
>>>> Dunno, something about rape.
>>
>>> Never a funny subject
>>
>> It's my view that there are *no* subjects which are out of bounds for
>> humour. Although it's a pretty unfashionable view nowadays, where
>> taking offence has become an international sport.
>>
>
> Taking offence, and finding something unfunny are not the same thing.
>
> However, when the tory MP on HIGNFY mentioned "time of the month", the
> silence from the audience was deafening.

I saw that and couldn't believe he said it. Utterly crass and V C-M
handled it well, I thought.

> Especially as it was chaired by Victoria Cohen-M

^^^^^
That must be your Jewish sense of humour.

--
Bruce Horrocks
FJR1300AS

[Champ]

On Wed, 9 Nov 2016 13:37:41 -0000 (UTC), TMack <qw...@yuiop.com>
wrote:

>On Wed, 09 Nov 2016 11:19:22 +0000, Champ wrote:
>> I've never said that humour overrides the rules of civilised society.
>> I'm allowed to say that I don't find something funny. I'm not allowed
>> to tell someone else that he shouldn't find something funny. Of course,
>> if he finds something funny that I find offensive, then we have
>> different world views, and probably aren't going to get along.

>No matter how funny a racist joke might seem to be, what is the justification for telling it to someone else? That
>IS under your control. Where there is a high level of mutual understanding that it is "ironic" then the adverse
>implications might be fairly minimal.

So, did you find the joke I typed up there offensive? I struggle to
see how anyone, let alone a white brit, can be offended by something
which is so plainly a caricature

>However, when something is published in magazine that is to be circulated
>among a wide group of people, then there is no guarantee that it won't be taken at face value i.e. as crudely
>racist.

Oh, I completely agree with this. Context is everything. If I'd seen
racist jokes published in a club magazine, I'd have been as annoyed as
you.

[Champ]

On Wed, 9 Nov 2016 13:12:45 -0000, ogden <og...@pre.org> wrote:

>Champ wrote:

>I'm genuinely shocked that you just told a joke, in any context, that
>includes the word 'nigger'. Let alone that you've gone on to try to
>justify it.

Yeah, I did wonder about how far that word has travelled along the
route to being completely unacceptable. And that's where it is,
nowadays, yes?

[Mark Olson]

I was a bit surprised as well.

It's not unknown for people to be fired or forced to resign for using
the 'n' word (as it's commonly referred to) on this side of the pond.

Of course there's an enormous double standard applied, and you're
nearly at the same risk of being excoriated for simply pointing out
that fact.

[Thomas]

On Wed, 09 Nov 2016 11:29:44 -0800, Mark Olson <ols...@tiny.invalid> wrote:

>
> It's not unknown for people to be fired or forced to resign for using
> the 'n' word (as it's commonly referred to) on this side of the pond.
>
> Of course there's an enormous double standard applied, and you're
> nearly at the same risk of being excoriated for simply pointing out
> that fact.

There was some popular song recently and people of color were free to quot
the n word, but I couldn't repeat the lyrics because I'm white.

[James Wilkinson Sword]

On Tue, 08 Nov 2016 13:31:14 -0000, TMack <qw...@yuiop.com> wrote:

> On Tue, 08 Nov 2016 13:15:33 +0000, Krusty wrote:
>

>> TMack wrote:
>>
>>> I am proud of myself! have had my membership of the FJR (motorcycle)
>>> club withdrawn by Philip Hacker, the owner of the "club", (a for-profit
>>> business) because I complained about an issue of the club journal that
>>> contained a bunch of racist jokes. This happened a week after another
>>> of the club's managers had written to me acknowledging that the
>>> complaint was valid and offering assurances that efforts would be made
>>> to avoid racist jokes in future. It seems that racism is alive and well
>>> in the UK - but at least I won't be subsidising it via my club
>>> subscriptions.

>>
>> Are you going the full Lady Nina & unfriending people who find racist
>> jokes funny, or just sticking with a half-Nina?
>
> Hang on a minute. The FJR club "unfriended" me - not the other way round!

Because you pathetically moaned about JOKES. Do you know what a joke is for?

--
Once upon a time, a Prince asked a beautiful Princess, Will you marry me? The Princess said; No!!! So the Prince lived happily ever after and rode Harley Davidson motorcycles and banged skinny long-legged big-titted broads and hunted and fished and raced cars and went to naked bars and dated women half his age and drank whiskey, beer and Captain Morgan and never heard bitching and never paid child support or alimony and banged cheerleaders and kept his house and guns and ate spam and potato chips and beans and blew enormous farts and never got cheated on while he was at work and all his friends and family thought he was freak'in cool as hell and he had tons of money in the bank and left the toilet seat up.
The end.

[James Wilkinson Sword]

Wrong, offending people is always funny.

--
WEDDING DRESS FOR SALE.
Worn once by mistake.
Call Stephanie.

[James Wilkinson Sword]

On Wed, 09 Nov 2016 10:19:51 -0000, TMack <qw...@yuiop.com> wrote:

> On Wed, 09 Nov 2016 08:26:16 +0000, Krusty wrote:
>
>> Aye. I think we need to see TMack's jokes to give a second opinion.
>> Going on past experience, I wonder if they were even racist.
>
> As I said on FB, they were racist enough for the other manager/partner who first responded to my complaint to
> say in his email to me "You are correct. It won’t happen again".

They were trying to shut you up.

--
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However, a large number of electrons were terribly inconvenienced

[wessie]

ogden <og...@pre.org> wrote in
news:MPG.328d312b6...@news.eternal-september.org:

I had much the same reaction. If someone started telling me that joke I
would probably interrupt as I can't think of any social context where I
would want to hear it.

[YTC#1]

On 09/11/2016 18:12, Bruce Horrocks wrote:
> On 09/11/2016 09:46, YTC#1 wrote:
>> On 08/11/2016 19:05, Champ wrote:
>>> On Tue, 8 Nov 2016 16:15:52 +0000, YTC#1 <b...@ytc1-spambin.co.uk>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>>>> Yes, because you found their jokes offensive. When LN found a joke
>>>>>>> offensive, she unfriended anyone who wasn't equally offended.
>>>
>>>>>> What was the joke ?
>>>
>>>>> Dunno, something about rape.
>>>
>>>> Never a funny subject
>>>
>>> It's my view that there are *no* subjects which are out of bounds for
>>> humour. Although it's a pretty unfashionable view nowadays, where
>>> taking offence has become an international sport.
>>>
>>
>> Taking offence, and finding something unfunny are not the same thing.
>>
>> However, when the tory MP on HIGNFY mentioned "time of the month", the
>> silence from the audience was deafening.
>
> I saw that and couldn't believe he said it. Utterly crass and V C-M
> handled it well, I thought.
>

Strangely I found it hard to snigger at anything he said after that. It
nearly killed the show.

>> Especially as it was chaired by Victoria Cohen-M
> ^^^^^
> That must be your Jewish sense of humour.

I can't even claim the letters are next to each other :-)

[YTC#1]

On 09/11/2016 20:46, wessie wrote:
> ogden <og...@pre.org> wrote in
> news:MPG.328d312b6...@news.eternal-september.org:
>
>> Champ wrote:
>>>
>>> On Tue, 8 Nov 2016 21:52:23 -0800 (PST), benb...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Tuesday, November 8, 2016 at 2:05:56 PM UTC-5, Champ wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> It's my view that there are *no* subjects which are out of bounds
>>>>> for humour. Although it's a pretty unfashionable view nowadays,
>>>>> where taking offence has become an international sport.
>>>>
>>>> I agree. The distinction is between the *subject* of the joke, and
>>>> the *object* of the joke. One is okay, and the other is not (and
>>>> not funny).
>>>
>>> OK, so here's my favourite (probably only) racist joke:

<snip>

>>> On the surface, this is just two awful stereotypes. But the way it
>>> melds them together exposes them for what they are, and, imo, turns
>>> the target towards people who might hold these views.
>>
>> I'm genuinely shocked that you just told a joke, in any context, that
>> includes the word 'nigger'. Let alone that you've gone on to try to
>> justify it.
>>
>
> I had much the same reaction. If someone started telling me that joke I
> would probably interrupt as I can't think of any social context where I
> would want to hear it.
>

+1

Unfortunately though, when it is typed out, we can't completely remove
the full item from our minds after we scanned it before actually
digesting it.

Especially when it keeps getting quoted and reposted.

Upon review, does the "joke" become less offensive if the "n word" is
dropped and substituted for something else ?

Does it change if it just marginalises Mexicans ?

[ogden]

And has been for some time.

--
ogden

[YTC#1]

On 10/11/2016 09:49, Krusty wrote:

> YTC#1 wrote:
>
>> On 09/11/2016 20:46, wessie wrote:
>>> ogden <og...@pre.org> wrote in
>>> news:MPG.328d312b6...@news.eternal-september.org:
>>>
>>>> Champ wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> OK, so here's my favourite (probably only) racist joke:
>> <snip>
>>
>>>>> On the surface, this is just two awful stereotypes. But the way
>> it >>> melds them together exposes them for what they are, and, imo,
>> turns >>> the target towards people who might hold these views.
>>>>
>>>> I'm genuinely shocked that you just told a joke, in any context,
>> that >> includes the word 'nigger'. Let alone that you've gone on to
>> try to >> justify it.
>>>>
>>>
>>> I had much the same reaction. If someone started telling me that
>>> joke I would probably interrupt as I can't think of any social
>>> context where I would want to hear it.
>>>
>>
>> +1
>>
>> Unfortunately though, when it is typed out, we can't completely remove
>> the full item from our minds after we scanned it before actually
>> digesting it.
>>
>> Especially when it keeps getting quoted and reposted.
>

> I think I may have to actually commit suicide as I'll never get over
> the trauma of seeing a joke with the word 'ni'... 'nig'... 'n'... I'm
> sorry, I just can't force myself to type it.

That was sarcasm, wasn't it ?
:S
:-7

[YTC#1]

On 10/11/2016 09:36, Krusty wrote:

> YTC#1 wrote:
>
>> On 09/11/2016 18:12, Bruce Horrocks wrote:
>>> On 09/11/2016 09:46, YTC#1 wrote:
>>>>
>>>> However, when the tory MP on HIGNFY mentioned "time of the month",
>> the >> silence from the audience was deafening.
>>>
>>> I saw that and couldn't believe he said it. Utterly crass and V C-M
>>> handled it well, I thought.
>>>
>>
>> Strangely I found it hard to snigger at anything he said after that.
>> It nearly killed the show.
>

> I felt the same about Ed Balls man-handling Rachel Johnson on The Last
> Leg last night. It was all very Trump-esque.
>

In fairness, she touched him first, patted his leg etc.

And the seating tends to make people lean to one side to talk to Adam.

I thought he looked a bit uncomfortable and was trying to work out where
to leave his arm.

[Mike Fleming]

In article <MPG.328e51ba5...@news.eternal-september.org>,

But on the internet, nobody knows if you're black, so nobody knows if
you're allowed to use the word or not.

--
Mike Fleming
Coitum volantum non dono

[Thomas]

On Tue, 08 Nov 2016 11:05:52 -0800, Champ <ne...@champ.org.uk> wrote:

> On Tue, 8 Nov 2016 16:15:52 +0000, YTC#1 <b...@ytc1-spambin.co.uk>
> wrote:
>
>>>>> Yes, because you found their jokes offensive. When LN found a joke
>>>>> offensive, she unfriended anyone who wasn't equally offended.
>
>>>> What was the joke ?
>
>>> Dunno, something about rape.
>
>> Never a funny subject
>

> It's my view that there are *no* subjects which are out of bounds for
> humour. Although it's a pretty unfashionable view nowadays, where
> taking offence has become an international sport.

This seemed appropriate. (November 10th version)

https://www.arcamax.com/thefunnies/pearlsbeforeswine/s-1891324#

[YTC#1]

On 11/10/16 10:24 PM, Krusty wrote:
> YTC#1 wrote:
>
>> On 10/11/2016 09:36, Krusty wrote:
>>> YTC#1 wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 09/11/2016 18:12, Bruce Horrocks wrote:
>>>>> On 09/11/2016 09:46, YTC#1 wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> However, when the tory MP on HIGNFY mentioned "time of the
>> month", >> the >> silence from the audience was deafening.
>>>>>
>>>>> I saw that and couldn't believe he said it. Utterly crass and V
>> C-M >>> handled it well, I thought.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Strangely I found it hard to snigger at anything he said after
>> that. >> It nearly killed the show.
>>>
>>> I felt the same about Ed Balls man-handling Rachel Johnson on The
>>> Last Leg last night. It was all very Trump-esque.
>>>
>>
>> In fairness, she touched him first, patted his leg etc.
>

> Which doesn't give him the right to grab her hand after she removed it
> & put it on his thigh.

Ah true, I forgot about that

>
>> And the seating tends to make people lean to one side to talk to Adam.
>

> It doesn't make them put their arm around the person next to them &
> pull them in close.

Ok, yes, creepy(ish). Unless they were already friends ?

>
>

[CT]

Krusty wrote:

> Switters wrote:

>
> > On Thu, 10 Nov 2016 09:36:05 GMT, Krusty wrote:
> >
> > > I felt the same about Ed Balls man-handling Rachel Johnson on The
> > > Last Leg last night. It was all very Trump-esque.
> >

> > Is it just me or is anyone else finding The Last Leg less watchable
> > these days. The political ranting was amusing at first, but has
> > become a bit tedious and some of the jokes are so contrived it's
> > embarrassing.
>
> It's not just you. It wouldn't be so bad if it was balanced, but it's
> increasingly becomming just another bunch of lefty comedians slagging
> off anyone who isn't quite as left as they are.

I haven't watched the Trump one yet but the Brexit one was
excruciatingly awful. However, as Switters says, the Rio Paralympics
series was excellent.

--
Chris

[ogden]

Krusty wrote:
>
> Switters wrote:
>
> > On Thu, 10 Nov 2016 09:36:05 GMT, Krusty wrote:
> >
> > > I felt the same about Ed Balls man-handling Rachel Johnson on The
> > > Last Leg last night. It was all very Trump-esque.
> >
> > Is it just me or is anyone else finding The Last Leg less watchable
> > these days. The political ranting was amusing at first, but has
> > become a bit tedious and some of the jokes are so contrived it's
> > embarrassing.
>
> It's not just you. It wouldn't be so bad if it was balanced, but it's
> increasingly becomming just another bunch of lefty comedians slagging
> off anyone who isn't quite as left as they are.

Sounds alright to me.

--
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[TMack]

On Thu, 10 Nov 2016 22:24:21 +0000, Krusty wrote:

> YTC#1 wrote:
>
>> On 10/11/2016 09:36, Krusty wrote:
>> > YTC#1 wrote:
>> >
>> >> On 09/11/2016 18:12, Bruce Horrocks wrote:
>> >>> On 09/11/2016 09:46, YTC#1 wrote:
>> > > > >
>> >>>> However, when the tory MP on HIGNFY mentioned "time of the
>> month", >> the >> silence from the audience was deafening.
>> > > >
>> >>> I saw that and couldn't believe he said it. Utterly crass and V
>> C-M >>> handled it well, I thought.
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> >> Strangely I found it hard to snigger at anything he said after
>> that. >> It nearly killed the show.
>> >
>> > I felt the same about Ed Balls man-handling Rachel Johnson on The
>> > Last Leg last night. It was all very Trump-esque.
>> >
>> >
>> In fairness, she touched him first, patted his leg etc.
>

> Which doesn't give him the right to grab her hand after she removed it &
> put it on his thigh.
>

>> And the seating tends to make people lean to one side to talk to Adam.
>

> It doesn't make them put their arm around the person next to them & pull
> them in close.

Perhaps he should have just grabbed her by the pussy. It suddenly seems to have become acceptable
behaviour for politicians.

[YTC#1]

Are they any righty comedians ?

[Mike Fleming]

In article <o043b9$kn8$1...@dont-email.me>, "Krusty"

<dontw...@nowhere.invalid> writes:

> Switters wrote:
>
> > On Thu, 10 Nov 2016 09:36:05 GMT, Krusty wrote:
> >
> > > I felt the same about Ed Balls man-handling Rachel Johnson on The
> > > Last Leg last night. It was all very Trump-esque.
> >
> > Is it just me or is anyone else finding The Last Leg less watchable
> > these days. The political ranting was amusing at first, but has
> > become a bit tedious and some of the jokes are so contrived it's
> > embarrassing.
>
> It's not just you. It wouldn't be so bad if it was balanced, but it's
> increasingly becomming just another bunch of lefty comedians slagging
> off anyone who isn't quite as left as they are.

I find I breathe a sigh of relief if Jeremy Hardy isn't on the News
Quiz panel.

[Steve Hall]

Boris Johnson?

[Mike Fleming]

In article <o04q6l$6jd$1...@dont-email.me>, YTC#1

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/bbc/12057110/BBC-urged-to-ban-right-wing-comedian-Andrew-Lawrence.html

http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/2013/04/where-are-all-right-wing-stand-ups

What few there are are an endangered species.

You'd think that, with the adult population split roughly 50/50 on
Brexit, that there would be one or two comedians on topical panel
shows who would be pro-Brexit. But either there aren't, or there are
and they're afraid of coming out.

[YTC#1]

I didn't say clowns

[YTC#1]

On 11/11/16 05:28 PM, Mike Fleming wrote:
> In article <o04q6l$6jd$1...@dont-email.me>, YTC#1
> <b...@ytc1-spambin.co.uk> writes:
>
>> On 11/11/16 11:35 AM, ogden wrote:
>>> Krusty wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Switters wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Thu, 10 Nov 2016 09:36:05 GMT, Krusty wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I felt the same about Ed Balls man-handling Rachel Johnson on The
>>>>>> Last Leg last night. It was all very Trump-esque.
>>>>>
>>>>> Is it just me or is anyone else finding The Last Leg less watchable
>>>>> these days. The political ranting was amusing at first, but has
>>>>> become a bit tedious and some of the jokes are so contrived it's
>>>>> embarrassing.
>>>>
>>>> It's not just you. It wouldn't be so bad if it was balanced, but it's
>>>> increasingly becomming just another bunch of lefty comedians slagging
>>>> off anyone who isn't quite as left as they are.
>>>
>>> Sounds alright to me.
>>>
>>
>> Are they any righty comedians ?
>
> http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/bbc/12057110/BBC-urged-to-ban-right-wing-comedian-Andrew-Lawrence.html

That is right wing comedy ?
>
> http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/2013/04/where-are-all-right-wing-stand-ups
>

Ah, CLarkson, got it.

[Champ]

On Fri, 11 Nov 2016 09:34:33 -0000 (UTC), "Krusty"
<dontw...@nowhere.invalid> wrote:

>> Is it just me or is anyone else finding The Last Leg less watchable
>> these days.

>It's not just you. It wouldn't be so bad if it was balanced, but it's
>increasingly becomming just another bunch of lefty comedians slagging
>off anyone who isn't quite as left as they are.

Their politics aren't as left wing as mine, so that's not the reason
why I don't find it as funny as I used to.

[Champ]

On Fri, 11 Nov 2016 17:15:21 +0000, Mike Fleming
<{mike}@tauzero.co.uk> wrote:

>I find I breathe a sigh of relief if Jeremy Hardy isn't on the News
>Quiz panel.

I breathe a sigh of disappointment.

[Boots]

On Tue, 08 Nov 2016 14:45:22 +0000, Krusty wrote:

> YTC#1 wrote:
>

>> On 08/11/2016 14:02, Krusty wrote:
>> >
>> > Yes, because you found their jokes offensive. When LN found a joke
>> > offensive, she unfriended anyone who wasn't equally offended.
>> >
>> >
>> What was the joke ?
>
> Dunno, something about rape.

Libya IIRC

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