Vehicle Tax

[fredal...@gmail.com]

I have just taxed my car for another year at a cost of£240.
Given that road damage is the fourth power of axle loading it means I have just paid £2.4 Million to ride my bicycle on the road for the next year.
There was no mention of Road Tax.

[Mr Pounder Esquire]

Prick.

[James Wilkinson Sword]

Would you like to write that in English?

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[fredal...@gmail.com]

On Sunday, April 16, 2017 at 7:01:18 PM UTC+1, James Wilkinson Sword wrote:
> On Sun, 16 Apr 2017 18:54:57 +0100, <fredal...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > I have just taxed my car for another year at a cost of£240.
> > Given that road damage is the fourth power of axle loading it means I have just paid £2.4 Million to ride my bicycle on the road for the next year.
> > There was no mention of Road Tax.
>
> Would you like to write that in English?

Which part of my english post did you not understand?

[fredal...@gmail.com]

You seem obsessed with Prick, has Silly Billy left you for another child?

[James Wilkinson Sword]

1) "fourth power of axle loading"

2) Claiming you're paying for your bicycle when you've paid for your car.

3) Some bollocks about "road tax".

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[fredal...@gmail.com]

On Sunday, April 16, 2017 at 7:11:12 PM UTC+1, James Wilkinson Sword wrote:
> On Sun, 16 Apr 2017 19:07:23 +0100, <fredal...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On Sunday, April 16, 2017 at 7:01:18 PM UTC+1, James Wilkinson Sword wrote:
> >> On Sun, 16 Apr 2017 18:54:57 +0100, <fredal...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> > I have just taxed my car for another year at a cost of£240.
> >> > Given that road damage is the fourth power of axle loading it means I have just paid £2.4 Million to ride my bicycle on the road for the next year.
> >> > There was no mention of Road Tax.
> >>
> >> Would you like to write that in English?
> >
> > Which part of my english post did you not understand?
>
> 1) "fourth power of axle loading"

http://www.nvfnorden.org/lisalib/getfile.aspx?itemid=1586

>
> 2) Claiming you're paying for your bicycle when you've paid for your car.

When I am riding my bicycle my car is in my drive.

>
> 3) Some bollocks about "road tax".

Glad you agree there is no such thing as Road tax.

[James Wilkinson Sword]

On Sun, 16 Apr 2017 19:16:55 +0100, <fredal...@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Sunday, April 16, 2017 at 7:11:12 PM UTC+1, James Wilkinson Sword wrote:
>> On Sun, 16 Apr 2017 19:07:23 +0100, <fredal...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> > On Sunday, April 16, 2017 at 7:01:18 PM UTC+1, James Wilkinson Sword wrote:
>> >> On Sun, 16 Apr 2017 18:54:57 +0100, <fredal...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> > I have just taxed my car for another year at a cost of£240.
>> >> > Given that road damage is the fourth power of axle loading it means I have just paid £2.4 Million to ride my bicycle on the road for the next year.
>> >> > There was no mention of Road Tax.
>> >>
>> >> Would you like to write that in English?
>> >
>> > Which part of my english post did you not understand?
>>
>> 1) "fourth power of axle loading"
>
> http://www.nvfnorden.org/lisalib/getfile.aspx?itemid=1586

I'm not reading all that. Try answering my question.

>> 2) Claiming you're paying for your bicycle when you've paid for your car.
>
> When I am riding my bicycle my car is in my drive.

But you're paying for your car with the road tax.

>> 3) Some bollocks about "road tax".
>
> Glad you agree there is no such thing as Road tax.

I didn't. You pay tax to drive a car to pay for the roads, simple. It's road tax.

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[Mr Pounder Esquire]

Is that is the best that you can do?
If so, you have just confirmed yet again that cyclists are not very bright.
Then again, everybody knows this.

[fredal...@gmail.com]

On Sunday, April 16, 2017 at 8:27:17 PM UTC+1, James Wilkinson Sword wrote:
> On Sun, 16 Apr 2017 19:16:55 +0100, <fredal...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On Sunday, April 16, 2017 at 7:11:12 PM UTC+1, James Wilkinson Sword wrote:
> >> On Sun, 16 Apr 2017 19:07:23 +0100, <fredal...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> > On Sunday, April 16, 2017 at 7:01:18 PM UTC+1, James Wilkinson Sword wrote:
> >> >> On Sun, 16 Apr 2017 18:54:57 +0100, <fredal...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> > I have just taxed my car for another year at a cost of£240.
> >> >> > Given that road damage is the fourth power of axle loading it means I have just paid £2.4 Million to ride my bicycle on the road for the next year.
> >> >> > There was no mention of Road Tax.
> >> >>
> >> >> Would you like to write that in English?
> >> >
> >> > Which part of my english post did you not understand?
> >>
> >> 1) "fourth power of axle loading"
> >
> > http://www.nvfnorden.org/lisalib/getfile.aspx?itemid=1586
>
> I'm not reading all that.

It is your choice to remain ignorant.

> Try answering my question.

What question?

>
> >> 2) Claiming you're paying for your bicycle when you've paid for your car.
> >
> > When I am riding my bicycle my car is in my drive.
>
> But you're paying for your car with the road tax.

No, Vehicle Tax.

>
> >> 3) Some bollocks about "road tax".
> >
> > Glad you agree there is no such thing as Road tax.
>
> I didn't. You pay tax to drive a car to pay for the roads, simple. It's road tax.

Again, Vehicle Tax not road tax.

[fredal...@gmail.com]

On Sunday, April 16, 2017 at 9:35:18 PM UTC+1, Mr Pounder Esquire wrote:
> fredal...@gmail.com wrote:
> > On Sunday, April 16, 2017 at 6:58:49 PM UTC+1, Mr Pounder Esquire
> > wrote:
> >> fredal...@gmail.com wrote:
> >>> I have just taxed my car for another year at a cost of£240.
> >>> Given that road damage is the fourth power of axle loading it means
> >>> I have just paid £2.4 Million to ride my bicycle on the road for the
> >>> next year.
> >>> There was no mention of Road Tax.
> >>
> >> Prick.
> >
> > You seem obsessed with Prick, has Silly Billy left you for another
> > child?
>
> Is that is the best that you can do?

I was not aware I was being judged.
I assumed Prick was your latest fluffy toy.

> If so, you have just confirmed yet again that cyclists are not very bright.
> Then again, everybody knows this.

What metric do you use to determine a persons Brightness?

[Peter Keller]

On 17.04.2017 08:35, Mr Pounder Esquire wrote:
> fredal...@gmail.com wrote:
>> On Sunday, April 16, 2017 at 6:58:49 PM UTC+1, Mr Pounder Esquire
>> wrote:
>>> fredal...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>> I have just taxed my car for another year at a cost of£240.
>>>> Given that road damage is the fourth power of axle loading it means
>>>> I have just paid £2.4 Million to ride my bicycle on the road for the
>>>> next year.
>>>> There was no mention of Road Tax.
>>>
>>> Prick.
>>
>> You seem obsessed with Prick, has Silly Billy left you for another
>> child?
>
> Is that is the best that you can do?
> If so, you have just confirmed yet again that cyclists are not very bright.
> Then again, everybody knows this.
>
>
>

Look you cunt, I will fucking well continue to ride my bicycle, a very
convenient economical delightful viable means of transport for many things.
You are a fucking prick.

It really is a very great compliment to be called a prick by YOU.
Especially by YOU.
And I have no fucking interest in looking good in YOUR eyes.
After all I ride a fucking bicycle.
And we all know what YOU think of bicyclists. You think they are the
fuckwitted pits of humanity.
And because it is YOU who think that, that is an extremely great
compliment.
We must be doing something right.

[JNugent]

1. Whatever name(s) you dare not give the tax, what are the (exact)
circumstances in which it must be paid?

2. And in what exact circumstances is the tax not due (even at the
ill-advised nil rate, fated soon to disappear)?

I'll answer the second question for you: the tax is not due (not even at
the stupid nil rate) in respect of any motor vehicle which is not kept
or used on a highway (colloquially known as the road or the roads) and
in respect of which that fact has been officially declared to the DVLA
(in other words, vehicles which are not in use - for whatever reason, on
the road).

Now I'll let you answer the first question.

Don't chicken out...

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[James Wilkinson Sword]

On Mon, 17 Apr 2017 05:23:48 +0100, <fredal...@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Sunday, April 16, 2017 at 8:27:17 PM UTC+1, James Wilkinson Sword wrote:
>> On Sun, 16 Apr 2017 19:16:55 +0100, <fredal...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> > On Sunday, April 16, 2017 at 7:11:12 PM UTC+1, James Wilkinson Sword wrote:
>> >> On Sun, 16 Apr 2017 19:07:23 +0100, <fredal...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> > On Sunday, April 16, 2017 at 7:01:18 PM UTC+1, James Wilkinson Sword wrote:
>> >> >> On Sun, 16 Apr 2017 18:54:57 +0100, <fredal...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> > I have just taxed my car for another year at a cost of£240.
>> >> >> > Given that road damage is the fourth power of axle loading it means I have just paid £2.4 Million to ride my bicycle on the road for the next year.
>> >> >> > There was no mention of Road Tax.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Would you like to write that in English?
>> >> >
>> >> > Which part of my english post did you not understand?
>> >>
>> >> 1) "fourth power of axle loading"
>> >
>> > http://www.nvfnorden.org/lisalib/getfile.aspx?itemid=1586
>>
>> I'm not reading all that.
>
> It is your choice to remain ignorant.

Why don't you just write the answer instead of giving me a huge document to read through for half an hour?

>> Try answering my question.
>
> What question?

What does "fourth power of axle loading" mean?

>> >> 2) Claiming you're paying for your bicycle when you've paid for your car.
>> >
>> > When I am riding my bicycle my car is in my drive.
>>
>> But you're paying for your car with the road tax.
>
> No, Vehicle Tax.

Don't be so fucking stupid, most people call it road tax, just like most people call a vacuum cleaner a Hoover. Get used to it.

And if you want to be pedantic, it's "Vehicle Excise Duty", not tax. So you're still wrong.

>> >> 3) Some bollocks about "road tax".
>> >
>> > Glad you agree there is no such thing as Road tax.
>>
>> I didn't. You pay tax to drive a car to pay for the roads, simple. It's road tax.
>
> Again, Vehicle Tax not road tax.

Again, you're a moron.

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[Paul Cummins]

In article <eljuai...@mid.individual.net>, jenni...@fastmail.fm

(JNugent) wrote:

> I'll answer the second question for you: the tax is not due (not
> even at the stupid nil rate) in respect of any motor vehicle which
> is not kept or used on a highway (colloquially known as the road or
> the roads)

So it's a fuel-driven-Motor Vehicle Tax, not a Road Tax.

After all, vehicles without oil-based fuel-driven-motors[1] do not have
to pay it to use the roads, so it can't be Road tax.

[1] including Carts, Stagecoaches, hackneys, surrey's, drays, Traction
Engines powered by steam, electric bicycles and tricycles, etc...

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[James Wilkinson Sword]

Since he thinks it's vehicle tax, why doesn't he pay it for his bicycle? Psycholists seem to think their bikes are vehicles....

> 2. And in what exact circumstances is the tax not due (even at the
> ill-advised nil rate, fated soon to disappear)?

It's not soon to disappear. They're putting the tax for big 4x4s up to £2000 for the first year (although not subsequent years, which makes no sense at all), but they're not removing the nil band for electric cars.

> I'll answer the second question for you: the tax is not due (not even at
> the stupid nil rate) in respect of any motor vehicle which is not kept
> or used on a highway (colloquially known as the road or the roads) and
> in respect of which that fact has been officially declared to the DVLA
> (in other words, vehicles which are not in use - for whatever reason, on
> the road).

They should get rid of the road tax completely, and just put it all on the petrol. That way the more you use the car, the more you wear out the roads, the more you pay. Also bigger heavier cars creating more pollution automatically pay more as they use more fuel.

> Now I'll let you answer the first question.
>
> Don't chicken out...

He will evade as he always does.

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[JNugent]

On 17/04/2017 16:13, Paul Cummins wrote:

> (JNugent) wrote:

>> I'll answer the second question for you: the tax is not due (not
>> even at the stupid nil rate) in respect of any motor vehicle which
>> is not kept or used on a highway (colloquially known as the road or
>> the roads)

> So it's a fuel-driven-Motor Vehicle Tax,

That bit is true.

> not a Road Tax.

Well, that's what we're trying to establish. Your unsupported assertion
does not make it so.

Your falty definition fails to comply with or address with one of the
central parts of the question - doesn't it?

And we all know why that is.

But if "The Tax" is not due (and it isn't) in respect of any motor
vehicle which is NOT kept or used on a highway (colloquially known as
the road or the roads), in what circumstances does it become due in
respect of a motor vehicle?

Have a little think about that and see whether you can think of yet
another pointless wriggle which takes you nowhere.

> After all, vehicles without oil-based fuel-driven-motors[1] do not have
> to pay it to use the roads, so it can't be Road tax.

> [1] including Carts, Stagecoaches, hackneys, surrey's, drays, Traction
> Engines powered by steam, electric bicycles and tricycles, etc...

What is a "hackney", out of interest?

A horse or a motor vehicle?

[Paul Cummins]

In article <elk8e3...@mid.individual.net>, jenni...@fastmail.fm

(JNugent) wrote:

> But if "The Tax" is not due (and it isn't) in respect of any motor
> vehicle which is NOT kept or used on a highway (colloquially known
> as the road or the roads), in what circumstances does it become due
> in respect of a motor vehicle?

But, by the same proves, if it's NOT due for vehicles which are used on
the roads, even though such vehicles do have to pay tolls etc, then it
can;t be a "Road" tax, and must be some other form of tax.

This is especially true if it isn't used to pay for roads.

I have no need to wriggle, these are facts, which you seem to be ignoring
as they don;t fit your faulty hypothesis.

As the tax only applies to certain *vehicles*, used in a specified way,
and not others used in the same way, it cannot be a Road Tax, but must be
a VEHICLE tax.

>
> What is a "hackney", out of interest?

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=Hackney+Coach

[JNugent]

On 17/04/2017 20:44, Paul Cummins wrote:

>> (JNugent) wrote:
>
>> But if "The Tax" is not due (and it isn't) in respect of any motor
>> vehicle which is NOT kept or used on a highway (colloquially known
>> as the road or the roads), in what circumstances does it become due
>> in respect of a motor vehicle?
>
> But, by the same proves, if it's NOT due for vehicles which are used on
> the roads, even though such vehicles do have to pay tolls etc, then it
> can;t be a "Road" tax, and must be some other form of tax.

What are you on?

I'd cut down on it if I were you.

How on Earth can the owner or driver of a vehicle be liable to pay tolls
if it never goes on a road?

> This is especially true if it isn't used to pay for roads.

> I have no need to wriggle, these are facts, which you seem to be ignoring
> as they don;t fit your faulty hypothesis.

Your "tolls" point was the biggest wriggle seen round these parts for
some time.

> As the tax only applies to certain *vehicles*, used in a specified way,

What IS that "specified way"?

Be clear. Be honest.

I ask that with no real hope that you will attepmpt to be either.

> and not others used in the same way, it cannot be a Road Tax, but must be
> a VEHICLE tax.

A vehicle tax would be levied on a vehicle irrespective of whether it
was used on the roads.

>> What is a "hackney", out of interest?

> http://lmgtfy.com/?q=Hackney+Coach

That's not a hackney. That's a Hackney Coach.

A hackney is (or rather, was) a horse.

Here's the actual Google return for the term you used, which was "hackney":

<https://www.google.co.uk/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&rlz=1C1CHBD_en-GBGB726GB726&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=hackney>

The return on that page marked "hackney - meaning" takes you to:

<https://www.google.co.uk/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&rlz=1C1CHBD_en-GBGB726GB726&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=hackney+meaning>

[Paul Cummins]

In article <ell4q7...@mid.individual.net>, jenni...@fastmail.fm

(JNugent) wrote:

> > As the tax only applies to certain *vehicles*, used in a
> specified way,
>
> What IS that "specified way"?
>
> Be clear. Be honest.

In a manner which makes them liable for Vehicle Excise Duty.

Now lets deal with all the vehicles which don't have a liability, that
you can freely use on the roads. What "Road Tax" do they pay?

After all, over 200 millions cars can (currently) use our roads without
having to pay even a zero-rated "road tax", and that's not counting all
of the lorries, motorbikes etc.

[JNugent]

On 18/04/2017 12:36, Paul Cummins wrote:

> (JNugent) wrote:

[in response to:]

>>> As the tax only applies to certain *vehicles*, used in a
>> specified way,

>> What IS that "specified way"?
>> Be clear. Be honest.

> In a manner which makes them liable for Vehicle Excise Duty.

And what, precisely, *is* that manner of use which makes them liable for
The Tax?

What use has to be made of a motor vehicle to make its user/owner liable
to pay The Tax and where does the use have to take place?

Go answer the question - don't chicken out.

[Did you play the spoon salesman in Fawlty Towers, by the way? Oh no...
that was Bernard Cribbins. Why are you channelling him in that character?]

> Now lets deal with all the vehicles which don't have a liability, that
> you can freely use on the roads. What "Road Tax" do they pay?

No. We'll deal with those motor vehicles in respect of which The Tax IS
due in some circumstances and NOT due in other circumstances.

We need to establish what those circumstances are and what the
differences between them are.

Stop being evasive. It doesn't make you look clever.

[Paul Cummins]

In article <elmom7...@mid.individual.net>, jenni...@fastmail.fm

(JNugent) wrote:

> Stop being evasive. It doesn't make you look clever.

So explain to me why there are many many vehicles that can use the road
but don't pay your so-called road tax?

[JNugent]

On 18/04/2017 21:47, Paul Cummins wrote:

> In article <elmom7...@mid.individual.net>, jenni...@fastmail.fm
> (JNugent) wrote:

>> Stop being evasive. It doesn't make you look clever.

> So explain to me why there are many many vehicles that can use the road
> but don't pay your so-called road tax?

First, answer the question about the exact circumstances in which The
Tax has to be paid, when it has to be paid, that is.

Then maybe the discussion can be widened so as to encompass the
not-so-relevant circumstances where it does not have to be paid.

So... in what circumstances, does this tax have to be paid?

Whu so nervous? Does truth always frighten you?

[JNugent]

If you don't need to pay tax to use your car on the road, why did you
pay it?

[JNugent]

He didn't say that.

He said that what you wrote about Road Tax was bollocks.

Do keep up.

[JNugent]

If you have a vehicle (presumably, since the discussion is about your
car, a motor vehicle), do you have to pay your "Vehicle Tax" on it even
if it is never used on a road?

Yes / No [delete as appropriate]

[James Wilkinson Sword]

I find that rule unfair on people who don't have a drive. I can keep my car SORNed on my drive, but others cannot. You should only need tax to DRIVE the car.

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[Paul Cummins]

In article <elnqep...@mid.individual.net>, jenni...@fastmail.fm

(JNugent) wrote:

> First, answer the question about the exact circumstances in which
> The Tax has to be paid, when it has to be paid, that is.

I have already done so clearly. The fact you either refuse to read it or
cannot understand it is not my concern.

[fredal...@gmail.com]

Have you stopped beating your wife?

[fredal...@gmail.com]

Why should anyone be able to annexe the public road adjacent to their property for their own use free of charge?

Parking temporarily on the road not obstructing primary road users and emergency vehicles is one thing, thinking the public road next to your property is exclusively yours is another.

[JNugent]

On 21/04/2017 16:04, Paul Cummins wrote:

> In article <elnqep...@mid.individual.net>, jenni...@fastmail.fm
> (JNugent) wrote:
>
>> First, answer the question about the exact circumstances in which
>> The Tax has to be paid, when it has to be paid, that is.
>
> I have already done so clearly. The fact you either refuse to read it or
> cannot understand it is not my concern.

Your refusal to answer the plain question(s) you were asked would be
disappointing were it not for the fact that everyone knew you wouldn't
answer.

[JNugent]

The possible range of answers to that do not impinge upon the two
answers which are the only possible responses to:

If you have a vehicle (presumably, since the discussion is about your
car, a motor vehicle), do you have to pay your "Vehicle Tax" on it even
if it is never used on a road?

What stops you (and to be fair, others) from answering that very
straightforward question?

After all, we need to be clear as to whether "The Tax" is a vehicle tax
or a tax only payable when a vehicle is used on the roads, don't we?

[Mr Pounder Esquire]

That I do agree with. Had to happen sometime and is nothing to do with my
disdain of Phucker.

[James Wilkinson Sword]

Your explanation, although very straightforward to 99.9% of us, will fly straight over the psycholist's head.

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[James Wilkinson Sword]

Because it's their property. They own the road, the council just maintains it.

And the road tax is to pay for wear and tear on the road, a parked car does not cause any wear at all.

Anyway, council tax pays for local roads which is where they would be parked.

> Parking temporarily on the road not obstructing primary road users and emergency vehicles is one thing, thinking the public road next to your property is exclusively yours is another.

Since cars are the main user of the road, primary road users would be cars. Why do psycholists make up stupid phrases like this?

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[fredal...@gmail.com]

Some people own property up the centre of the highway, most don't.

>
> And the road tax is to pay for wear and tear on the road, a parked car does not cause any wear at all.

So you agree with the 4th power of axle loading rule.

>
> Anyway, council tax pays for local roads which is where they would be parked.

So you agree cyclists pay for the road space they use.

>
> > Parking temporarily on the road not obstructing primary road users and emergency vehicles is one thing, thinking the public road next to your property is exclusively yours is another.
>
> Since cars are the main user of the road, primary road users would be cars. Why do psycholists make up stupid phrases like this?

No, people are the main users of roads.
Pedestrians, equestrians and cyclists use roads by right. Motorists need permission.

[James Wilkinson Sword]

AFAIK it's most.

>> And the road tax is to pay for wear and tear on the road, a parked car does not cause any wear at all.
>
> So you agree with the 4th power of axle loading rule.

If you tell me what it is, I'll tell you if I agree with it.

>> Anyway, council tax pays for local roads which is where they would be parked.
>
> So you agree cyclists pay for the road space they use.

No, they pay for the cycle paths which cost millions.

>> > Parking temporarily on the road not obstructing primary road users and emergency vehicles is one thing, thinking the public road next to your property is exclusively yours is another.
>>
>> Since cars are the main user of the road, primary road users would be cars. Why do psycholists make up stupid phrases like this?
>
> No, people are the main users of roads.

Your childish pedantry is tiresome. Grow up and I might bother replying to you some more.

> Pedestrians, equestrians and cyclists use roads by right. Motorists need permission.

So what? That doesn't make anyone a "primary road user", whatever that's supposed to mean. Try to speak common English instead of making up your own phrases, then we could have a sensible discussion.

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[Paul Cummins]

In article <elupop...@mid.individual.net>, jenni...@fastmail.fm

(JNugent) wrote:

> > I have already done so clearly. The fact you either refuse to
> read it or
> > cannot understand it is not my concern.
>
> Your refusal to answer the plain question(s) you were asked would
> be disappointing were it not for the fact that everyone knew you
> wouldn't answer.

I have given a complete and accurate answer to your question.

Vehicle Excise Duty becomes payable when a dutiable vehicle is used in an
excisable way.

Why are there so many vehicles which are not dutiable?

[JNugent]

On 22/04/2017 00:51, Paul Cummins wrote:7

> In article <elupop...@mid.individual.net>, jenni...@fastmail.fm
> (JNugent) wrote:
>
>>> I have already done so clearly. The fact you either refuse to
>> read it or cannot understand it is not my concern.
>>
>> Your refusal to answer the plain question(s) you were asked would
>> be disappointing were it not for the fact that everyone knew you
>> wouldn't answer.
>
> I have given a complete and accurate answer to your question.

What porkie pies you tell.

> Vehicle Excise Duty becomes payable when a dutiable vehicle is used in an
> excisable way.

And what is that "excisable way"?

> Why are there so many vehicles which are not dutiable?

Not an issue.

We are talking about vehicles in respect of hich the Tax has to be paid
in certain circumstances (and only in those certain circumstances), but
you will not admit what those circumstances (your weasel phrase is "in
an excisable way").

What are you so frightened of?

[Kerr Mudd-John]

On Fri, 21 Apr 2017 23:21:18 +0100, <fredal...@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Friday, April 21, 2017 at 9:26:10 PM UTC+1, James Wilkinson Sword
> wrote:
>> On Fri, 21 Apr 2017 17:19:04 +0100, <fredal...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> > On Friday, April 21, 2017 at 3:25:37 PM UTC+1, James Wilkinson Sword
>> wrote:
>> >> On Fri, 21 Apr 2017 15:18:56 +0100, JNugent
>> <jenni...@fastmail.fm> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> > On 17/04/2017 05:23, fredal...@gmail.com wrote:
>> >> >> On Sunday, April 16, 2017 at 8:27:17 PM UTC+1, James Wilkinson
>> Sword wrote:
>> >> >>> On Sun, 16 Apr 2017 19:16:55 +0100, <fredal...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>> On Sunday, April 16, 2017 at 7:11:12 PM UTC+1, James Wilkinson
>> Sword wrote:
>> >> >>>>> On Sun, 16 Apr 2017 19:07:23 +0100, <fredal...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> >> >>>>>
>> >> >>>>>> On Sunday, April 16, 2017 at 7:01:18 PM UTC+1, James
>> Wilkinson Sword wrote:
>> >> >>>>>>> On Sun, 16 Apr 2017 18:54:57 +0100, <fredal...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:

It's like arguing with a demented frog. Give it up. The definition of VED
is very clear.

--
Bah, and indeed, Humbug

[TMS320]

On 22/04/17 11:06, Kerr Mudd-John wrote:

> It's like arguing with a demented frog. Give it up. The definition of
> VED is very clear.

It would be much easier arguing with a demented frog.

I wonder whether VED deniers would argue that Alcohol Duty and National
Insurance are something other than what they are.

Anyway, even if there are people that believe they pay some sort of road
rent, a lot of the money received by the DVLA merely comes from
recycling other taxes. It would be interesting to know how much is
virgin money.

[Paul Cummins]

In article <elvll2...@mid.individual.net>, jenni...@fastmail.fm

(JNugent) wrote:

> > Vehicle Excise Duty becomes payable when a dutiable vehicle is
> > used in an excisable way.
>
> And what is that "excisable way"?

Ignorance of the law is no defence, so why don't you do soem research
about that yourself.

No, don't bother, I already know the answer.

[JNugent]

So you too cannot admit that Road Tax is only payable in respect of a
motor vehicle used on the roads and that it is not due in respect of a
vehicle not used on the roads.

What a surprise.

[MrCheerful]

On 22/04/2017 15:13, Paul Cummins wrote:
> In article <elvll2...@mid.individual.net>, jenni...@fastmail.fm
> (JNugent) wrote:
>
>>> Vehicle Excise Duty becomes payable when a dutiable vehicle is
>>> used in an excisable way.
>>
>> And what is that "excisable way"?
>
> Ignorance of the law is no defence, so why don't you do soem research
> about that yourself.
>
> No, don't bother, I already know the answer.
>

most pathetic answer so far, keep going.

[Rob Morley]

On Sat, 22 Apr 2017 12:35:00 +0100
TMS320 <dr6...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Anyway, even if there are people that believe they pay some sort of
> road rent, a lot of the money received by the DVLA merely comes from
> recycling other taxes.

All the money from general taxation goes into the same pot, that
includes fuel duty, vehicle duty, VAT, income tax ...

[JNugent]

I have the long-term use (free of charge other than fuel and servicing
costs) of a car which does not belong to me.

I also have a car of my own, which is kept on private land and rarely
used. I really ought to sell it. But it is nevertheless insured and taxed.

But if I were to simply declare it off-road (which is true), and
complete the appropriate Statutory Off Road Notification, would I have
to pay "vehicle duty" on that car of mine which is not in use and which
is on private land?

[Paul Cummins]

In article <em17ja...@mid.individual.net>, jenni...@fastmail.fm

(JNugent) wrote:

> So you too cannot admit that Road Tax is only payable in respect of
> a motor vehicle used on the roads and that it is not due in respect
> of a vehicle not used on the roads.

Can you show me this "Road Tax" in legislation please?

[TMS320]

Indeed, but my point is that a large amount of money going through the
DVLA door has been taken from people receiving benefits out of general
taxation or from people that can reduce tax on profits. When it is
variously claimed that "motorists pay £xxx" it is not the true figure.

[JNugent]

On 22/04/2017 20:58, Paul Cummins wrote:
> In article <em17ja...@mid.individual.net>, jenni...@fastmail.fm
> (JNugent) wrote:
>
>> So you too cannot admit that Road Tax is only payable in respect of
>> a motor vehicle used on the roads and that it is not due in respect
>> of a vehicle not used on the roads.
>
> Can you show me this "Road Tax" in legislation please?

I'm the one asking the questions.

You are the one failing to answer them.

Your turn comes when I've had an answer to mine.

[JNugent]

"£xxx" is definitely not the true figure.

It's a lot more than that.

[fredal...@gmail.com]

On Saturday, April 22, 2017 at 8:58:31 PM UTC+1, Paul Cummins wrote:
> In article <em17ja...@mid.individual.net>, jenni...@fastmail.fm
> (JNugent) wrote:
>
> > So you too cannot admit that Road Tax is only payable in respect of
> > a motor vehicle used on the roads and that it is not due in respect
> > of a vehicle not used on the roads.
>
> Can you show me this "Road Tax" in legislation please?
>

I am not sure why we are arguing about this.
Even Autohoilcs Anonymous and The Association of Bad Drivers admit that VED only pays for 60% of motorway maintenance costs.
Motorists are sponging freeloaders.

[Paul Cummins]

In article <em26rd...@mid.individual.net>, jenni...@fastmail.fm

(JNugent) wrote:

> > Can you show me this "Road Tax" in legislation please?
>
> I'm the one asking the questions.

Are you?

> You are the one failing to answer them.

I've answered you clearly and succinctly on each occasion, you have
failed to either read or comprehend the answers, because they don;t suit
your agenda.

> Your turn comes when I've had an answer to mine.

That's not how discussion works.

So again, please show me where this "Road Tax" is in legislation.

[JNugent]

On 23/04/2017 10:56, Paul Cummins wrote:
> In article <em26rd...@mid.individual.net>, jenni...@fastmail.fm
> (JNugent) wrote:
>
>>> Can you show me this "Road Tax" in legislation please?
>>
>> I'm the one asking the questions.
>
> Are you?
>
>> You are the one failing to answer them.
>
> I've answered you clearly and succinctly on each occasion, you have
> failed to either read or comprehend the answers, because they don;t suit
> your agenda.
>
>> Your turn comes when I've had an answer to mine.
>
> That's not how discussion works.
>
> So again, please show me where this "Road Tax" is in legislation.

So you still daren't answer the question (you were asked to identify the
circumstances in which The Tax becoimes payable in respect of a motor
vehicle), then?

Why is that?

[fredal...@gmail.com]

I am asking you the question.
Where does 'Road Tax' appear in current legislation?

[JNugent]

There is an answer to that question which will be given when my question
has had a truthful answer.

[fredal...@gmail.com]

[Judith]

On Tue, 18 Apr 2017 21:47 +0100 (BST), agree2...@spam.vlaad.co.uk (Paul
Cummins) wrote:

>In article <elmom7...@mid.individual.net>, jenni...@fastmail.fm
>(JNugent) wrote:
>
>> Stop being evasive. It doesn't make you look clever.
>
>So explain to me why there are many many vehicles that can use the road
>but don't pay your so-called road tax?


Oh dear - not bright are you.

Please explain why there so many people who have an income: but do not pay
Income Tax?