Exuberance Justifies Lethal Force In the U.S.

[Bret Cahill]

I wasn't shot, arrested or even stopped but here's an example of the cop mentality in the U. S..

The other day the traffic was heavy on a 4 lane highway for a minute or so and then cleared up completely for 100 m in both directions.

I felt good about my light weight flat proof tires and decided to hit a small mound on the other side of the road fast enough to get airtime and then sprint across the fallowed field to the local WalMart.

I accelerated into a broad turn, hit the beveled curb straight on and then the mound like I was Chinghis Khan.

Apparently this was enough to draw the attention of the local police, who generally speaking, are much better than those in other U. S. venues.

In the U. S. cops get alarmed at anyone having a great time. It _must_ be illegal, illegal enough to shoot the offender. To avoid trouble I usually take great care to be very humble and to blend in on the street with the other goobers.

The cops pulled a Uey to intercept me, I quickly slowed down, and the cops quickly realized they would look silly in court for stopping a guy on a mountain bike doing what a mountain bike was designed for.

They drove away but had this happened in the South I most likely would not be writing this post.

I'd be dead.

It's really really important all visitors understand the cop situation in the U. S.


Bret Cahill

[Nick]

On 12/06/2017 06:00, Bret Cahill wrote:

>
> It's really really important all visitors understand the cop situation in the U. S.
>

I've always like the story about how Viv Stanshall dealt with a local
sheriff from the south.

<https://forums.theregister.co.uk/post/reply/3126076?>

[Bret Cahill]

> > It's really really important all visitors understand the cop situation in the U. S.

> I've always like the story about how Viv Stanshall dealt with a local
> sheriff from the south.
>
> <https://forums.theregister.co.uk/post/reply/3126076?>

That approach may work better with a foreign accent.

Once dad drove past a local cop and rolled his eyes at the "depravity." The cop did a U-turn and pulled him over on the pretext of not having his inspection sticker in the right place.

When it was time to cross examine the cop dad starts showing the judge as well as the cop photographs of other cars with inspection stickers in the same place as the offending car.

"Is this inspection sticker in the wrong place?"

"Yes it is" responds the cop.

"What about this inspection sticker," dad asks pulling out the second photograph. "Is it in the wrong place too?"

"Yes it is" responds the cop.

Dad takes out the third photograph and before the cop could say anything the judge says, "case dismissed."

The 3rd photograph was of the judge's car.

Depending on how you sequence the questions you can often be guilty yet still get off because the cop won't know which lie to commit to in court.


Bret Cahill

[JNugent]

Was the bicycle fixed to the back of the car? Or perhaps one of those
folding bikes in the boo... trunk?

[Bret Cahill]

> > It's really really important all visitors understand the cop situation in the U. S.
> >
>
> I've always like the story about how Viv Stanshall dealt with a local
> sheriff from the south.
>
> <https://forums.theregister.co.uk/post/reply/3126076?>

One theory on why so many blacks are such good musicians -- when Mozart owned Europe Jefferson said blacks were better musicians than whites -- is they had to use music as well as everything else to survive.


Bret Cahill

[Nick]

That Jefferson guy did seem to say some sensible stuff,... when he took
a time out from fucking his slaves, that is.

All mean are created equal.

I'm not sure if that is a sense of humour or hypocrisy.

[Bret Cahill]

A tsunami of historical spin has been going on in the U.S. for over a century and some of it may have washed up in the U.K. Thomas Edison complained about the media of his day ridiculing and expunging Thomas Paine entirely from the American conscience. Paine made ropes for ships yet "corset maker" was spammed enough to find its way even into history books.

Like many slave owners Jefferson thought slavery was an abomination and he knew full well it would end in a bloody civil war. "I tremble for my country when I consider God is just." NY State abolished slavery immediately after the Revolution so _some_ progress can be credited to Jefferson while he was still alive.

Yet you'll never hear the shill media gush hype Jefferson's Revolution freeing slaves in New York. Instead all they say every 3rd of July is "Jefferson had slaves" [therefore Jefferson was evil/had no clue/bat crazy so let our rich paymasters make all decisions on the economy].

The _New York Times_ would have everyone believe "Christian" fundamentalism came over on the Mayflower as though it is just part of the fabric of American society. In reality 7 Revolutionary era state constitutions had a complete ban on ministers and priests from holding public office and it was unthinkable everywhere else. The religious right didn't appear until the 1970s and 80s when it was astro turfed.

You tell the culture warriors on the Democratic Party about the 7 state constitutions, several southern, and they cannot believe it. They go to wiki and are stunned to discover the truth.

Historical revisionism isn't limited to the rich trying to disable democracy. The revisionism depends on who is in power. Tocqueville spent a year in archives and proved very little land exchanged hands during the French Revolution. Basically nothing happened politically except a centralization of power to Paris. Most of the advances in democracy are made slowly, over a long period of time. Decades before the Revolution a famous English visitor was surprised that half the land in France was owned by the peasants. By 1840 the French had revised history to their liking: The Revolution was what caused the advances.


Bret Cahill

[Bret Cahill]

Real time confirmation:

https://www.yahoo.com/news/m/483ae71a-ba58-3598-b8b4-ba2bf24cd3f8/ss_something%E2%80%99s-wrong-when-the.html

[Nick]

On 13/06/2017 18:55, Bret Cahill wrote:
>>>>> It's really really important all visitors understand the cop situation in the U. S.
>
>>>> I've always like the story about how Viv Stanshall dealt with a local
>>>> sheriff from the south.
>
>>>> <https://forums.theregister.co.uk/post/reply/3126076?>
>
>>> One theory on why so many blacks are such good musicians -- when Mozart owned Europe Jefferson said blacks were better musicians than whites -- is they had to use music as well as everything else to survive.
>
>> That Jefferson guy did seem to say some sensible stuff,... when he took
>> a time out from fucking his slaves, that is.
>>
>> All mean are created equal.
>>
>> I'm not sure if that is a sense of humour or hypocrisy.
>
> A tsunami of historical spin has been going on in the U.S. for over a century and some of it may have washed up in the U.K. Thomas Edison complained about the media of his day ridiculing and expunging Thomas Paine entirely from the American conscience. Paine made ropes for ships yet "corset maker" was spammed enough to find its way even into history books.

AIUI it was almost certain that Jefferson had at least one child with
his slave Sally Hemmings. I wasn't making a great deal of this, I have
always greatly admired Jefferson and was only teasing.

I think the revisionism comes for the politically correct community that
are unwilling to admit their current ethical code is only a current view
rather than absolute truth. So they try to cover up history, revise it
or condemn great historical figures.

The reason they do this is because they don't want people to question if
their current values are truely good or correct from first principles.
The don't want people to think for themselves, they just want them to
accept the current dogma.

We see the same type of behaviour from Islamic State, destroying
historical monuments that showed that their ancestors used to think
differently.

[Nick]

How many black women have the US police killed?

I remember sitting next to a black/nigerian woman at work, she had gone
to college in the US. She was incensed by the killing of Trayvon Martin.

During the time of the protests a young boy of Nigerian descent was
killed by a dangerous driver on a road in Greenwich that I cycled down
everyday on the way to work. This was not a significant death to her in
comparison to Trayvon's. Which seemed strange to me.

I guess the Black Lives matter is more about everyday racism than the
actual risk from police killings. It is an outlet for this resentment,

[Colonel Edmund J. Burke]

On 6/11/2017 10:00 PM, Bret Cahill wrote:
> I wasn't shot, arrested or even stopped but here's an example of the cop mentality in the U. S..

I would have run your silly ass over and then pissed on your corpse, faggot.

[Bret Cahill]

> >>>>> It's really really important all visitors understand the cop situation in the U. S.
> >
> >>>> I've always like the story about how Viv Stanshall dealt with a local
> >>>> sheriff from the south.
> >
> >>>> <https://forums.theregister.co.uk/post/reply/3126076?>
> >
> >>> One theory on why so many blacks are such good musicians -- when Mozart owned Europe Jefferson said blacks were better musicians than whites -- is they had to use music as well as everything else to survive.
> >
> >> That Jefferson guy did seem to say some sensible stuff,... when he took
> >> a time out from fucking his slaves, that is.
> >>
> >> All mean are created equal.
> >>
> >> I'm not sure if that is a sense of humour or hypocrisy.
> >
> > A tsunami of historical spin has been going on in the U.S. for over a century and some of it may have washed up in the U.K. Thomas Edison complained about the media of his day ridiculing and expunging Thomas Paine entirely from the American conscience. Paine made ropes for ships yet "corset maker" was spammed enough to find its way even into history books.
>
> AIUI it was almost certain that Jefferson had at least one child with
> his slave Sally Hemmings.

They noticed 9 months after he returned home Hemmings always had another baby. He tried to help one of his sons escape, basically turning him into a fugitive, not much better than being a slave. As Tocqueville pointed out slavery was almost as horrific for the second family slave owner as the slave.

> I wasn't making a great deal of this, I have
> always greatly admired Jefferson and was only teasing.

Jefferson would say we were doing better under George III and be ready to recant.

> I think the revisionism comes for the politically correct community that
> are unwilling to admit their current ethical code is only a current view
> rather than absolute truth. So they try to cover up history, revise it
> or condemn great historical figures.

In the U. S. the media will jerryspringer a culture war to get the political debate off the economy. This isn't something that happens unconsciously due to hidden conflicts of interest. Every publisher in the sleazy industry is spreadsheeting everything, readership vs sponsorship, etc.

> The reason they do this is because they don't want people to question if
> their current values are truely good or correct from first principles.
> The don't want people to think for themselves, they just want them to
> accept the current dogma.

In the U. S. the media peddle editorial control.

> We see the same type of behaviour from Islamic State, destroying
> historical monuments that showed that their ancestors used to think
> differently.

It's all pecuniary in the U.S. They weaponize minority rights _against_ majority rule on the economy. In the long run that undermines minority rights.

I'd like to get English translations of a few 1930s German newspapers.


Bret Cahill

[Nick]

I'm not sure what point you are trying to make?

Maybe it is that members of the Jewish community exploit anti
discrimination laws to avoid criticism of their own behaviour promoting
Jewish interests?

> I'd like to get English translations of a few 1930s German newspapers.
>

What are you looking for?

[Bret Cahill]

Actually things weren't quite so insane when the Jews had more influence.

It took just 3 Emails to start an unprecedented 2 billion dollar project in California, preserving the shore line of the Salton Sea by drying out the deeper middle portion for a loop lake. Everyone in Sacramento was as thoughtful and intelligent as what can be expected.

Try anything in DC and you discover they are all barfheads.

And it keeps getting worse.

> > I'd like to get English translations of a few 1930s German newspapers.

> What are you looking for?

I'm particularly interested in any articles that suggest a "3rd way" something that isn't democracy or dictatorship.

Tocqueville was clear. There is no 3rd way. Either it's the dominion of the majority or the "unlimited authority of a single man."

The same thing may have happened then as well.

tRUMP may be impeached before he becomes dictator but that doesn't change the _situation_.

If not tRUMP then it'll be the next guy.


Bret Cahill

[Nick]

Nazi Germany doesn't seem to me to be the place to look for a third way.
Wouldn't it be better to look at modern systems like Russia, China or
even Iran?

>
> Tocqueville was clear. There is no 3rd way. Either it's the dominion of the majority or the "unlimited authority of a single man."

On the contrary I think there is a continuous spectrum in between the two.

I'm not sure who this Tocqueville is but he seems to be a fool. I
thought the earlier comment about slave owners having it tough was a joke.

>
> The same thing may have happened then as well.
>
> tRUMP may be impeached before he becomes dictator but that doesn't change the _situation_.
>
> If not tRUMP then it'll be the next guy.
>

I don't know why you guys are so hung up on Trump. He is a bit of a twat
but he hasn't started any wars like Bush and seems more rational and
safe than Reagan, to a bigly degree.

It is probably worth having a shake up of the establishment to disrupt
the corrupt practices that have a tendency to establish themselves. Once
Trump goes there will be another clean out and things can start afresh,
with bright new uncorrupted faces.

[Bret Cahill]

Not just Nazi Germany but 3rd way doesn't exist anywhere. It's a self indulgent fantasy.

If 1930s German media were indulging 3rd way fantasy it would confirm what Tocqueville said. 3rd way shouldn't be too difficult to spot in their editorials, spin, etc.

> Wouldn't it be better to look at modern systems like Russia, China or
> even Iran?

Those countries were always somewhat despotic.

It's easier with a western country that "lost the plot."

> > Tocqueville was clear. There is no 3rd way. Either it's the dominion of the majority or the "unlimited authority of a single man."

> On the contrary I think there is a continuous spectrum in between the two.

That's certainly true. As the political guru of the founders, Montesquieu, pointed out taxation is 100% correlative to freedom. M. went from the country with the highest taxes / most freedom, England, to 2nd place, Holland, all the way down to Turkey with the lowest taxes / least freedom. M. claimed that was like a fundamental law of nature.

But that's still a one dimensional line. The point here was there is no way to get off that line.

If the lofty "elites" delude themselves that they can redefine democracy to mean tossing the public out of all substantive decision making processes, we won't end up with loftytopia.

We'll end up with the worst possible government, despotism.

> I'm not sure who this Tocqueville is but he seems to be a fool.

Actually he was trying to move the remnants on the ancien regime toward freedom.

Political freedom was only way to oppose the evils that might arise from equality.

> I
> thought the earlier comment about slave owners having it tough was a joke.

Coretta Scott King said that racism held back Southern whites as well as blacks. This is somewhat related to what Tocqueville said about race based chattel slavery before the Civil War.

When you have to turn your kid into a fugitive like Jefferson did . . . .

> > The same thing may have happened then as well.

> > tRUMP may be impeached before he becomes dictator but that doesn't change the _situation_.

> > If not tRUMP then it'll be the next guy.

> I don't know why you guys are so hung up on Trump. He is a bit of a twat
> but he hasn't started any wars like Bush and seems more rational and
> safe than Reagan, to a bigly degree.

So far so good _politically_.

> It is probably worth having a shake up of the establishment to disrupt
> the corrupt practices that have a tendency to establish themselves.

This is the one and only rosy scenario sequence of events:

1. tRUMP makes a complete mess of the GOP establishment before he leaves office. I cannot deny I enjoy this.

2. The GOP establishment is joined at the hip to the "liberal" legacy media so any collateral attack will take down the media as well. The media suspect this which is why they are so feverish. (tRUMP's showboating attacks on the media are actually doing the reverse, making the media look reputable but this isn't the deciding factor.)

3. Without the shill media a vacuum is created in the Democratic Party which sucks in someone like Sanders.

On the down side a lot of things could go wrong, even if you aren't concerned about another meltdown.

Tocqueville said you could take any 50 year period going back to the 11th century and equality will have increased at the end of that 50 year period.

At first this sounds good but when you consider it includes the case where everyone is equally dead . . .

> Once
> Trump goes there will be another clean out and things can start afresh,
> with bright new uncorrupted faces.

A lot of false ideas that became institutionalized in the past few decades or so need to be toppled. tRUMP is a wrecking ball.

On the other hand he likes to cut deals. The deal he may cut with the establishment might be to toss the people under the bus. The "elite" is the U. S. believe in nothing but shilling for money and tRUMP knows it. The elite deplore the sovereignty of the people even more than they fear tRUMP.

Same as Florence. The elite families hated Lorenzo but they hated the popoli even more. So they went with Lorenzo.

The only difference is after they cut a deal with tRUMP tRUMP will promptly toss the former elites under the bus. Sure the shills deserve it but that doesn't do anything for the people.


Bret Cahill