Car ban during heat wave

[Simon Jester]

Cars typically put out 60 kw of heat. Even on the rare occasions motorists stop at red lights they are still emitting 5 kw on idle.
Do we really need all this unnecessary heat?

[swldx...@gmail.com]

On Saturday, 30 June 2018 18:53:59 UTC+1, Simon Jester wrote:
> Cars typically put out 60 kw of heat. Even on the rare occasions motorists stop at red lights they are still emitting 5 kw on idle.
> Do we really need all this unnecessary heat?

Also, many idiots have left children and dogs locked in cars with no windows open.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5901465/Mom-charged-daughters-hot-car-death-begging-allowed-kill-herself.html

[Simon Jester]

My first instinct was to condemn you for posting such a tragic story.
On reflection it just highlights how dangerous cars are.
Obviously the driver meant no harm but due to the inherent danger of cars normal human behaviour can result in innocent deaths.
If the child had been in a bicycle seat this would not have happened.

[swldx...@gmail.com]

To be fair to the cagers, dogs can get heatstroke outside as well as in locked cars.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5906609/Fit-healthy-dog-dies-heatstroke-taken-walk-Britains-hot-weather.html

[Bret Cahill]

> > > > Cars typically put out 60 kw of heat. Even on the rare occasions motorists stop at red lights they are still emitting 5 kw on idle.
> > > > Do we really need all this unnecessary heat?
> > >
> > > Also, many idiots have left children and dogs locked in cars with no windows open.
> > >
> > > http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5901465/Mom-charged-daughters-hot-car-death-begging-allowed-kill-herself.html
> >
> > My first instinct was to condemn you for posting such a tragic story.
> > On reflection it just highlights how dangerous cars are.
> > Obviously the driver meant no harm but due to the inherent danger of cars normal human behaviour can result in innocent deaths.
> > If the child had been in a bicycle seat this would not have happened.
>
> To be fair to the cagers, dogs can get heatstroke outside as well as in locked cars.
>
> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5906609/Fit-healthy-dog-dies-heatstroke-taken-walk-Britains-hot-weather.html

Desert creatures, lizards, snakes, try to avoid being out in the summer heat so you are sharing the road only with your thoughts at this time of the year.

On the down side if you run out of water you waste what little energy you have left trying to chase down a distant cyclist. The cyclist turns out to be a brittle bush. You should know you are losing it but the mind is no longer working.

[Colonel Edmund J. Burke]

On 6/30/2018 10:53 AM, Simon Jester wrote:
>
> Cars typically put out 60 kw of heat. Even on the rare occasions motorists stop at red lights they are still emitting 5 kw on idle.
> Do we really need all this unnecessary heat?
>

I'll defer to your knowledge of buggery.
LOL

[TMS320]

60kW is on the high side. But that's just mechanical energy (which
eventually turns to heat). The total heat output from burning the fuel
is three times that.

[Simon Jester]

All a cars energy comes from burning fuel and all energy becomes heat.

[TMS320]

Indeed. So values are 120kW (3x30, not 3x60) running and 15kW (3x5) idling.

[swldx...@gmail.com]

Police are now offering a free car ventilation service!
I am sure M'lud Nuglet would say that this is "criminal damage" in Nugentworld.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5912649/Camden-police-officer-offers-free-ventilation-service-owners-leave-dogs-hot-cars.html

[swldx...@gmail.com]

As a cyclist, if a car driver endangers MY life, can I use a D lock to smash HIS window?

[Mr Pounder Esquire]

Only a silly cyclist would ask that sort of silly question.

[MrCheerful]

Well he did try to jump through a lorry windscreen, so obviously the
balance of his mind is deeply disturbed.

[JNugent]

Damaging a vehicle, where the damage is not accidental or consented to,
is a criminal offence in almost all circumstances. But there is a
defence against a statutory criminal damage charge, to the effect that
causing the damage is not a crime if it is necessary, or at least, in
the circumstances, reasonably believed to be necessary, in order to
prevent other loss or damage to something in immediate need of protection.

<https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1971/48/section/5>

This and analogous provisions are relied upon by the forces of law and
order the world over when gaining access to premises and vehicles in an
emergency. Saving the life of an animal (especially a legally-defined
species such as a dog) in hot weather would easily qualify for that
defence in the UK.

Note that a police officer utilising this power (it isn't limited to
police officers, BTW) is acting judiciously, cautiously and impartially.
He isn't acting out of pique.

[Bruce 'Not Glug' Lee]

Yes.

--
john smith |MA (Hons)|MPhil (Hons)|CAPES (mention très bien)|LLB (Hons)
'It never gets any easier. You just get faster'
(Greg LeMond (1961 - ))

[Mr Pounder Esquire]

Yes he did do that. And for some very strange reason he told us all about
it. Seems that I actually got a mention in his book............. flattered
I'm sure.
Simon: As far as cycling arseholes go you are not the biggest, but why did
you ask your silly question?

[Bruce 'Not Glug' Lee]

JNugent <Jenni...@fastmail.fm> wrote:
> On 03/07/2018 13:36, swldx...@gmail.com wrote:
>> On Tuesday, 3 July 2018 09:03:10 UTC+1, TMS320 wrote:
>>> On 03/07/18 00:01, Simon Jester wrote:
>>>> On Monday, July 2, 2018 at 6:40:55 PM UTC+1, TMS320 wrote:
>>>>> On 30/06/18 18:53, Simon Jester wrote:

>>>>>> Cars typically put out 60 kw of heat. Even on the rare occasions
>>>>>> motorists stop at red lights they are still emitting 5 kw on idle.
>>>>>> Do we really need all this unnecessary heat?

>>>>> 60kW is on the high side. But that's just mechanical energy (which
>>>>> eventually turns to heat). The total heat output from burning the
>>>>> fuel is three times that.

>>>> All a cars energy comes from burning fuel and all energy becomes heat.

>>> Indeed. So values are 120kW (3x30, not 3x60) running and 15kW (3x5)
>>> idling.

>> Police are now offering a free car ventilation service! I am sure M'lud
>> Nuglet would say that this is "criminal damage" in Nugentworld.
>>
>> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5912649/Camden-police-officer-offers-free-ventilation-service-owners-leave-dogs-hot-cars.html

> Damaging a vehicle, where the damage is not accidental or consented to,
> is a criminal offence in almost all circumstances. But there is a
> defence against a statutory criminal damage charge, to the effect that
> causing the damage is not a crime if it is necessary, or at least, in
> the circumstances, reasonably believed to be necessary, in order to
> prevent other loss or damage to something in immediate need of protection.

Still using Wiki to pass yourself off as educated in the law, I see.

D.

[swldx...@gmail.com]

I smashed my neighbour's car window. He doesn't have a dog, I just don't like him.

[MrCheerful]

yes he told everyone via numerous articles in papers, every comment said
something along the lines of 'you stupid, selfish bastard'

[swldx...@gmail.com]

On Tuesday, 3 July 2018 17:50:00 UTC+1, Mr Pounder Esquire wrote:

> Simon: As far as cycling arseholes go you are not the biggest, but why did
> you ask your silly question?

Dunno - as a mental health patient I am now in receipt of £400 pm in PIP and our lass gets a carer's allowance - result!

[Mr Pounder Esquire]

That is not a result.
And I'm sorry to hear this.
What went wrong?

[MrCheerful]

but with that enormous pension pot why would he need more of the
taxpayer's money?

[Mr Pounder Esquire]

swldx...@gmail.com wrote:

> Nothing.
> I was sectioned for 28 days after going to the Humber Bridge on
> 28MAY18, let out and now am paid money not to go again.

Nothing????!!!!
You were sectioned and you say nothing went wrong?
>
> Easier than working for it! Plus, in October, I get free
> prescriptions as well!

I've had free prescriptions for 6 years.
There is nothing good about getting old.

[swldx...@gmail.com]

On Wednesday, 4 July 2018 20:51:20 UTC+1, Mr Pounder Esquire wrote:

> > Nothing.
> > I was sectioned for 28 days after going to the Humber Bridge on
> > 28MAY18, let out and now am paid money not to go again.
>
> Nothing????!!!!
> You were sectioned and you say nothing went wrong?

Let's just say it was interesting, but all you have to do is be a good boy, eat your meals, take your happy pills, don't swear and they let you go home for 2 hrs, then 6 hours, then overnight and eventually forever. Piece of cake, really as it could have been a 6 month Section 3.

> I've had free prescriptions for 6 years.
> There is nothing good about getting old.

I am selling my house and buying a motorhome to bum around Europe all summer in 2019 like the Dutch do. Cheap diesel, wine and food. Life is good.

[Bod]

Sounds like a great idea and I hope you have a great time, but what are
you gonna do and where are you going to live when the money runs out?

--
Bod

[swldx...@gmail.com]

I am downsizing to a smaller house and my money will never run out since I have a pension pot which is indexed linked for life and in 6 years I get my state pension.

[Bod]

Nice one and enjoy your touring.

--
Bod

[JNugent]

But don't expect tremendously cheap diesel in NL. Perhaps you were
thinking of Luxembourg.

[Peter Keller]

I take great pleasure in being labelled the biggest arsehole by YOU.

[Kerr-Mudd,John]

On Thu, 05 Jul 2018 09:58:42 GMT, JNugent <Jenni...@fastmail.fm>
wrote:

> On 05/07/2018 08:54, Bod wrote:
>> On 05/07/2018 08:51, swldx...@gmail.com wrote:
>>> On Thursday, 5 July 2018 08:15:33 UTC+1, Bod wrote:
>>>> On 04/07/2018 22:06, swldx...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>> On Wednesday, 4 July 2018 20:51:20 UTC+1, Mr Pounder Esquire
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>> Nothing.
>>>>>>> I was sectioned for 28 days after going to the Humber Bridge on
>>>>>>> 28MAY18, let out and now am paid money not to go again.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Nothing????!!!!
>>>>>> You were sectioned and you say nothing went wrong?
>>>>>
>>>>> Let's just say it was interesting, but all you have to do is be a
>>>>> good boy, eat your meals, take your happy pills, don't swear and
>>>>> they let you go home for 2 hrs, then 6 hours, then overnight and
>>>>> eventually forever. Piece of cake, really as it could have been a
>>>>> 6 month Section 3.
>>>>>
>>>>>> I've had free prescriptions for 6 years.
>>>>>> There is nothing good about getting old.
>>>>>
>>>>> I am selling my house and buying a motorhome to bum around Europe
>>>>> all summer in 2019 like the Dutch do. Cheap diesel, wine and food.
>>>>> Life is good.

No cycling?

>>>>>
>>>> Sounds like a great idea and I hope you have a great time, but what
>>>> are you gonna do and where are you going to live when the money
>>>> runs out?
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Bod
>>>
>>> I am downsizing to a smaller house and my money will never run out
>>> since I have a pension pot which is indexed linked for life and in 6
>>> years I get my state pension.
>>>
>> Nice one and enjoy your touring.
>
> But don't expect tremendously cheap diesel in NL. Perhaps you were
> thinking of Luxembourg.
>
>
>

OFF TOPIC!

--
Bah, and indeed, Humbug.

[swldx...@gmail.com]

On Thursday, 5 July 2018 12:02:28 UTC+1, Kerr-Mudd,John wrote:

> >>>>> I am selling my house and buying a motorhome to bum around Europe
> >>>>> all summer in 2019 like the Dutch do. Cheap diesel, wine and food.
> >>>>> Life is good.
>
> No cycling?

I went out on my Scott CR1 yesterday, but the rear mech went into the back wheel and smashed to bits. LBS says that the frame is bent and as it is Carbon, they won't bend it back. :-(

[Bruce 'Not Glug' Lee]

Actually managed to change my own brake pads t'other day on my Giant Defy.
But I couldn't get the back wheel in past the chain, and in trying to do so
(after having removed the bike from the track stand), I dropped the frame.
Rear mec mangled, and frame damaged.

I just need to persuade 'er indoors now that the n+1 rule isn't a myth....

[swldx...@gmail.com]

On Thursday, 5 July 2018 12:34:04 UTC+1, Bruce 'Not Glug' Lee wrote:
> swldx...@gmail.com wrote:
> > On Thursday, 5 July 2018 12:02:28 UTC+1, Kerr-Mudd,John wrote:
>
> >> >>>>> I am selling my house and buying a motorhome to bum around Europe
> >> >>>>> all summer in 2019 like the Dutch do. Cheap diesel, wine and food.
> >> >>>>> Life is good.
>
> >> No cycling?
>
> > I went out on my Scott CR1 yesterday, but the rear mech went into the
> > back wheel and smashed to bits. LBS says that the frame is bent and as it
> > is Carbon, they won't bend it back. :-(
>
> Actually managed to change my own brake pads t'other day on my Giant Defy.
> But I couldn't get the back wheel in past the chain, and in trying to do so
> (after having removed the bike from the track stand), I dropped the frame.
> Rear mec mangled, and frame damaged.
>
> I just need to persuade 'er indoors now that the n+1 rule isn't a myth....

Mine has just taken the CR1 to another LBS and in the meantime, I have e-mailed an old workmate to see if he will give me back a Fondriest I gave his son last year as it was just lying around.

[Bruce 'Not Glug' Lee]

Buy a new one, you skinflint. :-)

[Simon Jester]

Cycle snobbery, Carbon = plastic.

[Simon Jester]

And weed is legal, like most civilised countries.

[swldx...@gmail.com]

The retired Dutch spend all summer in the Balkans or the south of Spain where things are MUCH cheaper than at home. After Norway, their fuel is the dearest in the world and so they can be seen heading to Macedonia, Bulgaria, Croatia and Greece etc in May.

[Bret Cahill]

> Cars typically put out 60 kw of heat. Even on the rare occasions motorists stop at red lights they are still emitting 5 kw on idle.
> Do we really need all this unnecessary heat?

If the car is burning fossil fuel after about 10 years the solar heat the CO2 in the exhaust has trapped is about the same as the original heat of combustion, after 20 years it's 2X as much heat and so on.

Today the heat of combustion represents only 18% of the total heat from by past and present burning of fossil fuels.