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Sacha
Jan 28, 2015, 10:03:39 AM1/28/15
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For the third year running it looks as if wood pigeons are going to
build nests outside our bedroom window. They've been inspecting last
year's nest and one that was started and then abandoned in favour of
the final one. What I'm wondering is if these can possibly be the same
birds, or could it be the young from last year returning to their
birthplace? Would they commit incest, would one of them only have a
memory of where they were born and encourage the other to build there
too?
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build nests outside our bedroom window. They've been inspecting last
year's nest and one that was started and then abandoned in favour of
the final one. What I'm wondering is if these can possibly be the same
birds, or could it be the young from last year returning to their
birthplace? Would they commit incest, would one of them only have a
memory of where they were born and encourage the other to build there
too?
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Sacha
www.hillhousenursery.com
South Devon
www.helpforheroes.org.uk
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Christina Websell
Jan 28, 2015, 12:43:23 PM1/28/15
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"Sacha" <not...@landscovedevon.com> wrote in message
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> For the third year running it looks as if wood pigeons are going to build
> nests outside our bedroom window. They've been inspecting last year's nest
> and one that was started and then abandoned in favour of the final one.
> What I'm wondering is if these can possibly be the same birds, or could it
> be the young from last year returning to their birthplace? Would they
> commit incest, would one of them only have a memory of where they were
> born and encourage the other to build there too?
> --
Racing pigeons can live into their teens so I suppose woodies would,
> nests outside our bedroom window. They've been inspecting last year's nest
> and one that was started and then abandoned in favour of the final one.
> What I'm wondering is if these can possibly be the same birds, or could it
> be the young from last year returning to their birthplace? Would they
> commit incest, would one of them only have a memory of where they were
> born and encourage the other to build there too?
> --
providing no-one shot them. It is likely to be the same pair.
Tina
Christina Websell
Jan 28, 2015, 2:44:10 PM1/28/15
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"Malcolm" <Mal...@indaal.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
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>> In areas where they are not regularly shot, the life expectancy of an
> adult is around 3-5 years. Oldest recorded is in excess of 15 years.
>
> --
> Malcolm
so what prevents them living longer?
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Christina Websell
Jan 28, 2015, 4:01:40 PM1/28/15
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> In article <cissg8...@mid.individual.net>, Christina Websell
> <spam...@tinawebsell.wanadoo.co.uk> writes
>
> --
> Malcolm
Oh..not because of a shotgun, then, eh? ;-)
>
> In article <cissg8...@mid.individual.net>, Christina Websell
> <spam...@tinawebsell.wanadoo.co.uk> writes
>>
>>"Malcolm" <Mal...@indaal.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
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>>>
>>>> In areas where they are not regularly shot, the life expectancy of an
>>> adult is around 3-5 years. Oldest recorded is in excess of 15 years.
>>>
>>
>>"Malcolm" <Mal...@indaal.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
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>>>> In areas where they are not regularly shot, the life expectancy of an
>>> adult is around 3-5 years. Oldest recorded is in excess of 15 years.
>>>
>>
>>so what prevents them living longer?
>>
> Death. The same as for you and me.
>>
>
> --
> Malcolm
Oh..not because of a shotgun, then, eh? ;-)
Gordon H
Jan 29, 2015, 11:56:17 AM1/29/15
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Christina Websell
Jan 29, 2015, 5:08:56 PM1/29/15
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> In article <madomf$ehp$2...@dont-email.me>, Gordon H
> <Gor...@g3snx.demon.co.invalid> writes
> I did actually specify what the life expectancy is in areas where they are
> not regularly shot. Perhaps Tina didn't notice.
>
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> Malcolm
Yes I did notice but it seems a very short life, why, if they are not shot
don't they live as long as a racing pigeon? Or at least half as long?
I like pigeons: they are the the best parents in the world.
My collared doves have returned eventually after the sparrowhawk went
elsewhere.
>
> In article <madomf$ehp$2...@dont-email.me>, Gordon H
> <Gor...@g3snx.demon.co.invalid> writes
> not regularly shot. Perhaps Tina didn't notice.
>
> --
> Malcolm
Yes I did notice but it seems a very short life, why, if they are not shot
don't they live as long as a racing pigeon? Or at least half as long?
I like pigeons: they are the the best parents in the world.
My collared doves have returned eventually after the sparrowhawk went
elsewhere.
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Sacha
Jan 30, 2015, 5:08:23 AM1/30/15
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On 2015-01-28 16:52:19 +0000, Malcolm said:
> In article <cisc2a...@mid.individual.net>, Sacha
> <not...@landscovedevon.com> writes
There is shooting round here in several areas but not in our garden.
And we do seem to have our fair share of pigeons and sometimes,
collared doves, too. I haven't seen any of those yet this year. But it
seems likely that the nesting pigeons may well be our originals. Thank
you.
> In article <cisc2a...@mid.individual.net>, Sacha
> <not...@landscovedevon.com> writes
>> For the third year running it looks as if wood pigeons are going to
>> build nests outside our bedroom window. They've been inspecting last
>> year's nest and one that was started and then abandoned in favour of
>> the final one. What I'm wondering is if these can possibly be the same
>> birds, or could it be the young from last year returning to their
>> birthplace? Would they commit incest, would one of them only have a
>> memory of where they were born and encourage the other to build there
>> too?
>
>> build nests outside our bedroom window. They've been inspecting last
>> year's nest and one that was started and then abandoned in favour of
>> the final one. What I'm wondering is if these can possibly be the same
>> birds, or could it be the young from last year returning to their
>> birthplace? Would they commit incest, would one of them only have a
>> memory of where they were born and encourage the other to build there
>> too?
>
> In areas where they are not regularly shot, the life expectancy of an
> adult is around 3–5 years. Oldest recorded is in excess of 15 years.
There is shooting round here in several areas but not in our garden.
And we do seem to have our fair share of pigeons and sometimes,
collared doves, too. I haven't seen any of those yet this year. But it
seems likely that the nesting pigeons may well be our originals. Thank
you.
Christina Websell
Jan 31, 2015, 3:54:38 PM1/31/15
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> In article <civpbm...@mid.individual.net>, Christina Websell
> Birds in the wild never have the same life expectancy as captive birds -
> and I include racing pigeons as being captive. If you heard what some
> pigeon fanciers say about sparrowhawks, you might not think they live as
> long as woodpigeons! But, that apart, they have a safe roost and food
> provided, so of course they live longer, though any comparison between
> woodpigeons and racing pigeons should really take into account the large
> numbers of the latter which are bumped off by their owners because they
> don't come up to scratch.
>
> --
> Malcolm
Yes, I can't disagree that some do that. Never did that
myself. Got the 4th bird into Leic from the Lerwick race
But don't want to do it again. I decided it wasn't fair on them.
>
> In article <civpbm...@mid.individual.net>, Christina Websell
> and I include racing pigeons as being captive. If you heard what some
> pigeon fanciers say about sparrowhawks, you might not think they live as
> long as woodpigeons! But, that apart, they have a safe roost and food
> provided, so of course they live longer, though any comparison between
> woodpigeons and racing pigeons should really take into account the large
> numbers of the latter which are bumped off by their owners because they
> don't come up to scratch.
>
> --
> Malcolm
Yes, I can't disagree that some do that. Never did that
myself. Got the 4th bird into Leic from the Lerwick race
But don't want to do it again. I decided it wasn't fair on them.
Alf King
Feb 5, 2015, 5:41:19 AM2/5/15
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way?
Alf King
Christina Websell
Feb 15, 2015, 3:51:34 PM2/15/15
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"Alf King" <alfk...@hotmail.co.uk> wrote in message
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were not shot and were looked after the same as racing pigeons it's likely
they would live into their teens. They are better at looking after
themselves for a start.
Mike
Feb 15, 2015, 5:47:29 PM2/15/15
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On Sun, 15 Feb 2015 20:51:23 +0000, Christina Websell wrote:
They are not a different species at all. Pigeons are pigeons. If
> woodies were not shot and were looked after the same as racing pigeons
> it's likely they would live into their teens. They are better at looking
> after themselves for a start.
And cats are cats. But best watch out the next time a tiger curls up on
They are not a different species at all. Pigeons are pigeons. If
> woodies were not shot and were looked after the same as racing pigeons
> it's likely they would live into their teens. They are better at looking
> after themselves for a start.
your lap...
Do you understand taxonomy?
Mike.
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Gordon H
Feb 16, 2015, 6:12:36 AM2/16/15
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On 15/02/2015 20:51, Christina Websell wrote:
>
> They are not a different species at all. Pigeons are pigeons. If woodies
> were not shot and were looked after the same as racing pigeons it's likely
> they would live into their teens. They are better at looking after
> themselves for a start.
>
Woodies always look a bit gormless to me, as they amble aimlessly round
>
> They are not a different species at all. Pigeons are pigeons. If woodies
> were not shot and were looked after the same as racing pigeons it's likely
> they would live into their teens. They are better at looking after
> themselves for a start.
>
my lawn, and why do they stand on a narrow party fence to fornicate
instead of a more stable perch?
Stephen Wolstenholme
Feb 16, 2015, 9:11:22 AM2/16/15
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dependant or pests. I suspect you are only counting those species.
In the big wide world there are 310 different species!
Steve
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Mike
Feb 16, 2015, 12:06:16 PM2/16/15
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On Mon, 16 Feb 2015 11:12:34 +0000, Gordon H wrote:
> Woodies always look a bit gormless to me, as they amble aimlessly round
> my lawn, and why do they stand on a narrow party fence to fornicate
> instead of a more stable perch?
You could try putting up a hammock. That is proverbially a difficult place
> Woodies always look a bit gormless to me, as they amble aimlessly round
> my lawn, and why do they stand on a narrow party fence to fornicate
> instead of a more stable perch?
to do it (standing up)...
(But I didn't know it was the title of a modern jazz number until I looked
it up!)
Mike.
Alf King
Feb 17, 2015, 11:50:29 AM2/17/15
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On Sun, 15 Feb 2015 20:51:23 -0000, "Christina Websell"
Oh dear!
Where to begin?
Alf King
Where to begin?
Alf King
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Christina Websell
Feb 17, 2015, 3:54:55 PM2/17/15
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Up for a friendly fight...
Gordon H
Feb 18, 2015, 6:47:02 PM2/18/15
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Larry Stoter
Feb 19, 2015, 3:28:35 AM2/19/15
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definitely weren't Wood Pigeons, or any other species found in Europe
but they were just as certainly pigeons.
Larry
Mike
Feb 19, 2015, 3:46:17 AM2/19/15
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On Thu, 19 Feb 2015 08:28:32 +0000, Larry Stoter wrote:
> Saw some magnificent green pigeons in India in November - they
> definitely weren't Wood Pigeons, or any other species found in Europe
> but they were just as certainly pigeons.
>
> Larry
And one you would not have seen (info from Wikipedia):
> Saw some magnificent green pigeons in India in November - they
> definitely weren't Wood Pigeons, or any other species found in Europe
> but they were just as certainly pigeons.
>
> Larry
The dodo (Raphus cucullatus) is an extinct flightless bird that was
endemic to the island of Mauritius, east of Madagascar in the Indian
Ocean. Its closest genetic relative was the also extinct Rodrigues
solitaire, the two forming the subfamily Raphinae of the family of pigeons
and doves.
Mike.
Larry Stoter
Feb 20, 2015, 1:59:26 AM2/20/15
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(Orange-breasted Green Pigeon) and Treron phoenicopterus (Yellow -footed
Green Pigeon), two of the genus of 29 species Treron, all (?) showing
significant bright green colouration.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Green_pigeon
Quite difficult to see, sitting in the tops of trees among green leaves
...
Larry
Christina Websell
Mar 4, 2015, 2:43:03 PM3/4/15
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>
> In article <6es6eahrievtoa7af...@4ax.com>, Alf King
> <alfk...@hotmail.co.uk> writes
> Others, including myself, have tried to bring Tina into the real world of
> pigeons :-)
>
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> Malcolm
I see no reason why (if woodpigeons were looked after like racing pigeons
often are) that they couldn't live into their teens.
They won't of course because they get shot. So let's say a woodie is in an
aviary, or something: how long would it live? Would it live a shorter life
than a racing pigeon because it's a wood pigeon? do woodies naturally live
shorter lives? I'm asking this genuinely because I'd like to know, not to
argue for the sake of it.
>
> In article <6es6eahrievtoa7af...@4ax.com>, Alf King
> <alfk...@hotmail.co.uk> writes
> pigeons :-)
>
> --
> Malcolm
I see no reason why (if woodpigeons were looked after like racing pigeons
often are) that they couldn't live into their teens.
They won't of course because they get shot. So let's say a woodie is in an
aviary, or something: how long would it live? Would it live a shorter life
than a racing pigeon because it's a wood pigeon? do woodies naturally live
shorter lives? I'm asking this genuinely because I'd like to know, not to
argue for the sake of it.
Stephen Wolstenholme
Mar 5, 2015, 5:13:26 AM3/5/15
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It looked like it's days were numbered but, because it is disabled, it
gets well fed every day by the woman who is supposed to be looking
after me!
Gordon H
Mar 5, 2015, 7:25:29 AM3/5/15
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drooped when it was on the ground.
I wonder . . .
Try calling it, and see if it answers to "Edgar".
;-)
Stephen Wolstenholme
Mar 5, 2015, 7:38:33 AM3/5/15
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called Sue. I'm not ready for a change to an Edgar.
Mike
Mar 5, 2015, 9:29:09 AM3/5/15
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On Thu, 05 Mar 2015 10:13:22 +0000, Stephen Wolstenholme wrote:
> There is a woodpigeon with a bad limp that wobbles around my garden. It
> looked like its days were numbered but, because it is disabled, it gets
Mike.
> There is a woodpigeon with a bad limp that wobbles around my garden. It
> looked like its days were numbered but, because it is disabled, it gets
> well fed every day by the woman who is supposed to be looking after me!
>
> Steve
Perhaps you need an exaggerated limp?
>
> Steve
Mike.
Stephen Wolstenholme
Mar 5, 2015, 10:43:32 AM3/5/15
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Anne B
Mar 5, 2015, 11:06:00 AM3/5/15
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> There is a woodpidgeon with a bad limp that wobbles around my
> garden.
> It looked like it's days were numbered but, because it is
> disabled, it
> gets well fed every day by the woman who is supposed to be
> looking
> after me!
> Steve
Have you tried looking after her?
> garden.
> It looked like it's days were numbered but, because it is
> disabled, it
> gets well fed every day by the woman who is supposed to be
> looking
> after me!
> Steve
Anne
Christina Websell
Mar 6, 2015, 4:16:15 PM3/6/15
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like racing pigeons are, would they live a long life?"
Of course they would. but they get shot.
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Gordon H
Mar 7, 2015, 6:01:50 AM3/7/15
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On 06/03/2015 21:48, Malcolm wrote:
>
> In article <clujos...@mid.individual.net>, Christina Websell
> <spam...@tinawebsell.wanadoo.co.uk> writes
>>
> You appear to have answered your own question which didn't really need
> asking. Surely it is obvious that keeping any bird, mammal, insect,
> whatever, in captivity, supplying all their needs and removing mortality
> causes will lead to a longer life.
>
Even F*x*s....
I was responding to Steve's rather amusing remarks.
>
> In article <clujos...@mid.individual.net>, Christina Websell
> <spam...@tinawebsell.wanadoo.co.uk> writes
>>
> asking. Surely it is obvious that keeping any bird, mammal, insect,
> whatever, in captivity, supplying all their needs and removing mortality
> causes will lead to a longer life.
>
Even F*x*s....
I was responding to Steve's rather amusing remarks.
Michael J Davis
Mar 10, 2015, 12:32:06 PM3/10/15
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Mike <ne...@mjcoon.plus.com> was inspired to say
An exaggerated limp what?
Mike
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Mike
Mar 10, 2015, 3:35:08 PM3/10/15
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On Tue, 10 Mar 2015 16:29:26 +0000, Michael J Davis wrote:
> Mike <ne...@mjcoon.plus.com> was inspired to say
>>
> Mike <ne...@mjcoon.plus.com> was inspired to say
>>
>>Perhaps you need an exaggerated limp?
>
> An exaggerated limp what?
>
> Mike
Boom, Boom! (See also Morecambe & Wise "A long felt want"...)
>
> An exaggerated limp what?
>
> Mike
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