Trevor Wilson wrote:
Phil Allison wrote:
>
> > >
> >>> ** Valves are made to plug into sockets for a reason ...
> >>
> >>
> >> **On a related matter:
> >
> >
> > ** I bet it is not.
> >
> >
> >> I used to love speaking to customers who were
> >> considering purchasing Brand X valve amp. When prompted, they claimed
> >> that it came with a very generous (1, 2, 3) year warranty. "How long was
> >> the warranty on the valves." I would ask. "Oh, 90 days." Was the usual
> >> reply. "How much to replace all those KT88s?" "Dunno, maybe a couple of
> >> grand."
> >
> >
> > ** As if they would all fail at once after only 90 days.
>
> **Unlikely,
** Then why post the rediculous tripe you just did.
> Those same amplifiers are often supplied with a '5 year warranty'.
> Since the valves are not covered, that makes the warranty virtually
> worthless.
** Warranties never cover "wear and tear".
Valves inherently have a limited life and if operated near their dissipation limits a very limited one. So a 90 day warranty on them I perfectly fair.
> It is a con-job.
** Not it isn't.
> As are most valve amps.
** No they aren't.
> > Massive straw man fallacy.
> >
> > The only kind of logic TW ever uses.
> >
> > Still hate the Sony CDP101 - Trev ?
>
>
> **The CDP101 was a pretty decent player back in 1983.
** As if a clown like you has any idea on the matter.
> >> Imagine trying to sell a solid state amp, but only providing a 90 day
> >> warranty on the transistors...
> >
> >
> > ** Another idiotic straw man fallacy.
>
> **Why?
** See above.
The obvious fallacy is in comparing chalk and cheese and then complaining they are not the same.
> Valves are the active devices in a valve amp. Transistors are the
> active devices in a solid state amp.
** And there the similarity ends.
> Why should valves be excluded from
> the warranty on a product?
** See above.
> THAT is the real con.
** No, you are wrong.
> Valve amp buyers have
> been sucking up the lies for years.
** No-one has ever claimed valves last for ever or even for a long time.
But 20 years from four 12AU7s is a fair run.
I often see small valves in guitar amps that are even older and still going fine. But output valves are *consumables* and everyone knows and accepts it.
You have no actual point - as usual.
BTW: Was this line of bullshit something you dreamt up to help sell those ME piles of crap to audiophools ?
Betcha it was.
... Phil