Land Value Tax

[Stephen Cole]

Should Corbyn set it at a rate designed merely to redistribute wealth or
should a more progressive level of taxation be applied to the robber baron
class’ hoardings, coupled with the introduction of rent control
legislation, in order to burst the massively over-inflated housing bubble
and collapse house prices back to nearer the true value of a pile of
bricks?

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[tim...]

"Stephen Cole" <use...@stephenthomascole.com> wrote in message
news:gtu98i...@mid.individual.net...

> Should Corbyn set it at a rate designed merely to redistribute wealth or
> should a more progressive level of taxation be applied to the robber baron
> class’ hoardings, coupled with the introduction of rent control
> legislation, in order to burst the massively over-inflated housing bubble
> and collapse house prices back to nearer the true value of a pile of
> bricks?

Um, let me think?

NO

tim

[Stephen Cole]

Brian Reay <no...@m.com> wrote:

> He’d do better to reform IHT.
>
> Parents whose offspring have shown they are prepared to work etc, and have
> actually established themselves- bought a property etc should be subject 0
> IHT when passing to children. Even the, effective, £1m or so currently in
> place isn’t really high enough, it is easy to exceed that. (Fortunately,
> there are legal ways to avoid IHT even if you have more the £1m) £1m per
> child would be more reasonable.
>
> Conversely, if the off spring have obviously been sitting around waiting
> for another hand out, moaning about how tough life is etc, tax it at 100%
> and give it to the NHS.
>
> No true socialist should complain at that. Reward the hard working, the
> first case, help the masses and don’t reward the lazy in the second case.
> Of course, those who fall into the second group- remember you need to have
> bought a property- will scream it is unfair.

Clearly, Brian’s still deep in that funk he fell into after our mutual
acquaintance told him about what my inheritance is going to look like. He’s
got the green-eyed monster, big time. Poor Old Brian.

[Rod Speed]

Stephen Cole <use...@stephenthomascole.com> wrote

> Should Corbyn set it at a rate designed merely to redistribute wealth
> or should a more progressive level of taxation be applied to the robber
> baron class’ hoardings, coupled with the introduction of rent control
> legislation, in order to burst the massively over-inflated housing
> bubble and collapse house prices back to nearer the true value
> of a pile of bricks?

He's much more likely to have the state grab the lot and turn
everyone into council housing tenants with no compensation.

And nothing done with land value tax would do that last of yours anyway.

[Rambo]

On 12 Sep 2019 08:52:35 GMT, Stephen Cole

TBH I'd hand any inheritance back in return for my parents.

[mm0fmf]

WHS

[Brian Gaff]

The problem is I have a long garden, and if I'm going to be stung, then I'll
sell it and there will be huge density increases everywhere.
Brian

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[Paul Cummins]

In article <uiuknele5t2m4gtjj...@4ax.com>,

Ra...@thisaintreal.org (Rambo) wrote:

> TBH I'd hand any inheritance back in return for my parents.

Agreed wholeheartedly

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[Peeler]

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<FLUSH senile Australian asshole troll's latest trollshit>

01:58 am??? LMAO! Is your senility not letting you sleep in again, senile
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[Grikbashtar®™]

On Thu, 12 Sep 2019 20:18:15 +0200, Foreskin Peeler
<anus...@valid.invalid> wrote:

[FLUHS Grik skata]...and better air in here again! [sic][SIC!!! LOL]

Watch, it geezer!

HOW, late are, you gonna stay up and STALK this your latest stalking
beneficiary anus?

TWO am?

LOLOK

[Peeler]

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[Stephen Cole]

Brian Reay <no...@m.com> wrote:
> newshound <news...@stevejqr.plus.com> wrote:
>> On 12/09/2019 09:16, Brian Reay wrote:

>>> He’d do better to reform IHT.
>>>
>>> Parents whose offspring have shown they are prepared to work etc, and have
>>> actually established themselves- bought a property etc should be subject 0
>>> IHT when passing to children. Even the, effective, £1m or so currently in
>>> place isn’t really high enough, it is easy to exceed that. (Fortunately,
>>> there are legal ways to avoid IHT even if you have more the £1m) £1m per
>>> child would be more reasonable.
>>>
>>> Conversely, if the off spring have obviously been sitting around waiting
>>> for another hand out, moaning about how tough life is etc, tax it at 100%
>>> and give it to the NHS.
>>>
>>> No true socialist should complain at that. Reward the hard working, the
>>> first case, help the masses and don’t reward the lazy in the second case.
>>> Of course, those who fall into the second group- remember you need to have
>>> bought a property- will scream it is unfair.
>>>
>>>
>>>

>> I'm not entirely sure about that. If you buy a house to live in, and
>> want to pass it on as an asset, fair enough. If you have bought it in
>> the hope of gains far in excess of inflation, then (arguably) you are
>> behaving like a charicature of the robber baron capitalist. Even more so
>> if you have multiple "buy to lets" with the same expectation.
>
> Yawn, you sound like someone who envies those who have made been prudent,
> saved, invested in property etc.
>
>
>>
>> And that's one of the things that IHT and CGT are after.
>>
>> Call me an old cynic, but I sometimes suspect that the "simple working
>> class lad made good" who shouts about IHT is a bit more of a capitalist
>> than they claim to be.
>>
>
> Why is there a problem with someone who has made good wanting to pass
> his/her money on?
>
> It is the Socialists who have an issue with people who have worked hard,
> been prudent etc.
>
>
>> I think the *real* problem is that government economic policy over the
>> decades has largely encouraged the housing bubble. This includes council
>> housing selloff and easing buy to let rules. The underlying problem is
>> that we have not been building enough houses to match rising prosperity
>> and (the reasonably) rising expectations. You might (or might not) blame
>> developers with their land banks but overall, governments have always
>> had levers that they could use.
>>
>
> Excuses, excuses, excuses.
>
> Those who are want to succeed and are willing to graft etc can. Those who
> are lazy sit back and moan, making excuses, expecting handouts.
>

You’re having a good time living on your wife’s pension though, Brian, eh?

[Stephen Cole]

Folk like Brian measure a person’s worth in pounds, shillings, and pence.
It’s a very bleak worldview and I genuinely pity him.

[Stephen Cole]

newshound <news...@stevejqr.plus.com> wrote:
> On 12/09/2019 09:16, Brian Reay wrote:
>> tim... <tims_n...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>

>> He’d do better to reform IHT.
>>
>> Parents whose offspring have shown they are prepared to work etc, and have
>> actually established themselves- bought a property etc should be subject 0
>> IHT when passing to children. Even the, effective, £1m or so currently in
>> place isn’t really high enough, it is easy to exceed that. (Fortunately,
>> there are legal ways to avoid IHT even if you have more the £1m) £1m per
>> child would be more reasonable.
>>
>> Conversely, if the off spring have obviously been sitting around waiting
>> for another hand out, moaning about how tough life is etc, tax it at 100%
>> and give it to the NHS.
>>
>> No true socialist should complain at that. Reward the hard working, the
>> first case, help the masses and don’t reward the lazy in the second case.
>> Of course, those who fall into the second group- remember you need to have
>> bought a property- will scream it is unfair.
>>
>>
>>

> I'm not entirely sure about that. If you buy a house to live in, and
> want to pass it on as an asset, fair enough. If you have bought it in
> the hope of gains far in excess of inflation, then (arguably) you are
> behaving like a charicature of the robber baron capitalist. Even more so
> if you have multiple "buy to lets" with the same expectation.
>

> And that's one of the things that IHT and CGT are after.
>
> Call me an old cynic, but I sometimes suspect that the "simple working
> class lad made good" who shouts about IHT is a bit more of a capitalist
> than they claim to be.
>

> I think the *real* problem is that government economic policy over the
> decades has largely encouraged the housing bubble. This includes council
> housing selloff and easing buy to let rules. The underlying problem is
> that we have not been building enough houses to match rising prosperity
> and (the reasonably) rising expectations. You might (or might not) blame
> developers with their land banks but overall, governments have always
> had levers that they could use.

One way of tipping the balance back in favour of the common man would be
Right To Buy for private tenants. Labour are looking into it, so fingers
crossed.

[Fredxx]

On 13/09/2019 16:34, Stephen Cole wrote:

<snip>

> Folk like Brian measure a person’s worth in pounds, shillings, and pence.
> It’s a very bleak worldview and I genuinely pity him.

I take it you're a bankrupt.

[Rambo]

On 13 Sep 2019 15:34:02 GMT, Stephen Cole

Is that why he keeps referring to the "Marital Boot". Is he terrified
of it happening to him?

[Spike]

Stephen Thomas Cole CB/M0TEY is quite concerned about other people's
money - he once bragged that he lives only five minutes walk from
millionaires. It’s a very bleak worldview and we genuinely pity him.


--
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[Joe]

On Sat, 14 Sep 2019 07:39:41 +0000
Spike <Aero....@mail.invalid> wrote:


> Stephen Thomas Cole CB/M0TEY is quite concerned about other people's
> money - he once bragged that he lives only five minutes walk from
> millionaires.

Not much to boast about these days. Many quite grotty parts of the world
have an area of expensive housing, fully occupied.

--
Joe

[Brian Reay]

True enough.

Many in the expensive areas worked hard to ensure they could afford to
live in one of the expensive areas. Socialists expect it to be handed to
them on a plate or sit back hoping to inherit ;-)

[Archibald Tarquin Blenkinsopp Esq]

You mean that capitalists eschew inheritance of property? That's nice,
I suppose they donate it all then?

AB

[Dave Plowman (News)]

In article <gu3jpq...@mid.individual.net>,

Spike <Aero....@mail.invalid> wrote:
> Stephen Thomas Cole CB/M0TEY is quite concerned about other people's
> money - he once bragged that he lives only five minutes walk from

> millionaires. It壮 a very bleak worldview and we genuinely pity him.

That's very sad. I'm a millionaire as are most of my neighbours. Must be
horrid living in the sticks.

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[Dave Plowman (News)]

In article <qliarp$aqr$1...@gioia.aioe.org>,

Brian Reay <no...@m.com> wrote:
> Many in the expensive areas worked hard to ensure they could afford to
> live in one of the expensive areas. Socialists expect it to be handed to
> them on a plate or sit back hoping to inherit ;-)

Does make one wonder how I'm a millionaire after being a life long
socialist. Who inherited very little from my life long Tory parents. ;-)

--
*Work like you don't need the money. Love like you've never been hurt.

[Archibald Tarquin Blenkinsopp Esq]

On Sat, 14 Sep 2019 11:48:20 +0100, "Dave Plowman (News)"
<da...@davenoise.co.uk> wrote:

>In article <gu3jpq...@mid.individual.net>,
> Spike <Aero....@mail.invalid> wrote:
>> Stephen Thomas Cole CB/M0TEY is quite concerned about other people's
>> money - he once bragged that he lives only five minutes walk from
>> millionaires. It壮 a very bleak worldview and we genuinely pity him.
>
>That's very sad. I'm a millionaire as are most of my neighbours. Must be
>horrid living in the sticks.

Well done, there are some out there that still appreciate that others
can strive as hard and as is nearly always the case, a lot harder to
live hand to mouth.

It nausiates me to see people being hero worshipped for making
millions for effectively moving peoples cash about or gambling, while
the poor bloke making things and supporting the whole lot is ignored.

AB

[Brian Reay]

Dave Plowman (News) <da...@davenoise.co.uk> wrote:

> In article <qliarp$aqr$1...@gioia.aioe.org>,
> Brian Reay <no...@m.com> wrote:
>> Many in the expensive areas worked hard to ensure they could afford to
>> live in one of the expensive areas. Socialists expect it to be handed to
>> them on a plate or sit back hoping to inherit ;-)
>
> Does make one wonder how I'm a millionaire after being a life long
> socialist. Who inherited very little from my life long Tory parents. ;-)
>

Caught one !

[Brian Reay]

Archibald Tarquin Blenkinsopp Esq <blenk...@mail.com> wrote:
> On Sat, 14 Sep 2019 11:48:20 +0100, "Dave Plowman (News)"
> <da...@davenoise.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> In article <gu3jpq...@mid.individual.net>,
>> Spike <Aero....@mail.invalid> wrote:
>>> Stephen Thomas Cole CB/M0TEY is quite concerned about other people's
>>> money - he once bragged that he lives only five minutes walk from

>>> millionaires. It‘s a very bleak worldview and we genuinely pity him.

>>
>> That's very sad. I'm a millionaire as are most of my neighbours. Must be
>> horrid living in the sticks.
>
> Well done, there are some out there that still appreciate that others
> can strive as hard and as is nearly always the case, a lot harder to
> live hand to mouth.
>
> It nausiates me to see people being hero worshipped for making
> millions for effectively moving peoples cash about or gambling, while
> the poor bloke making things and supporting the whole lot is ignored.
>
> AB
>

ROTFL

Do you think those who want to tear down ‘the system’ know or care about
the difference?

They just want any easy life.

[Archibald Tarquin Blenkinsopp Esq]

On Sat, 14 Sep 2019 11:20:53 +0000 (UTC), Brian Reay <no...@m.com>
wrote:

>Archibald Tarquin Blenkinsopp Esq <blenk...@mail.com> wrote:
>> On Sat, 14 Sep 2019 11:48:20 +0100, "Dave Plowman (News)"
>> <da...@davenoise.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>>> In article <gu3jpq...@mid.individual.net>,
>>> Spike <Aero....@mail.invalid> wrote:
>>>> Stephen Thomas Cole CB/M0TEY is quite concerned about other people's
>>>> money - he once bragged that he lives only five minutes walk from

>>>> millionaires. It?s a very bleak worldview and we genuinely pity him.

>>>
>>> That's very sad. I'm a millionaire as are most of my neighbours. Must be
>>> horrid living in the sticks.
>>
>> Well done, there are some out there that still appreciate that others
>> can strive as hard and as is nearly always the case, a lot harder to
>> live hand to mouth.
>>
>> It nausiates me to see people being hero worshipped for making
>> millions for effectively moving peoples cash about or gambling, while
>> the poor bloke making things and supporting the whole lot is ignored.
>>
>> AB
>>
>
>ROTFL
>
>Do you think those who want to tear down ‘the system’ know or care about
>the difference?
>
>They just want any easy life.
>

Everyone wants an easy life.

Is there some reason why it should not be an aim?

I certainly want an easy life, sadly it does not yet appear to be
around the corner.

"Tearing down the system" sounds a trifle difficult.


AB

[Dave Plowman (News)]

In article <qliiel$1bp7$2...@gioia.aioe.org>,

Brian Reay <no...@m.com> wrote:
> > It nausiates me to see people being hero worshipped for making
> > millions for effectively moving peoples cash about or gambling, while
> > the poor bloke making things and supporting the whole lot is ignored.
> >
> > AB
> >

> ROTFL

> Do you think those who want to tear down the system‘ know or care about
> the difference?

> They just want any easy life.

You've just described the average Brexiteer.

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[Rod Speed]

"Archibald Tarquin Blenkinsopp Esq" <blenk...@mail.com> wrote in message
news:sdipnep8toa549ul8...@4ax.com...

> On Sat, 14 Sep 2019 11:48:20 +0100, "Dave Plowman (News)"
> <da...@davenoise.co.uk> wrote:
>
>>In article <gu3jpq...@mid.individual.net>,
>> Spike <Aero....@mail.invalid> wrote:
>>> Stephen Thomas Cole CB/M0TEY is quite concerned about other people's
>>> money - he once bragged that he lives only five minutes walk from

>>> millionaires. It's a very bleak worldview and we genuinely pity him.

>>
>>That's very sad. I'm a millionaire as are most of my neighbours. Must be
>>horrid living in the sticks.
>
> Well done, there are some out there that still appreciate that others
> can strive as hard and as is nearly always the case, a lot harder to
> live hand to mouth.
>
> It nausiates me to see people being hero worshipped for making
> millions for effectively moving peoples cash about or gambling, while
> the poor bloke making things and supporting the whole lot is ignored.

The don't support the whole lot and never did.

[Rod Speed]

"Archibald Tarquin Blenkinsopp Esq" <blenk...@mail.com> wrote in message
news:pfjpnellvsu3iiiag...@4ax.com...

Not everyone does. Quite a few prefer a much
more interesting life working at a decent job.

> Is there some reason why it should not be an aim?

Yep, someone has to do what needs to be done.

> I certainly want an easy life,

But no one is actually stupid enough to hand it to you.

> sadly it does not yet appear to be around the corner.

Then do the decent thing and hang yourself.

[Peeler]

On Sun, 15 Sep 2019 00:48:38 +1000, cantankerous trolling geezer Rodent

Speed, the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, blabbered, again:

<FLUSH trolling senile Ozzietard's latest trollshit>

00:48??? LOL So I was right, you didn't stay up until that time, you ALREADY
got out of bed, AGAIN, to continue with your insipid trolling without too
long a break! LMAO

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[Peeler]

On Sun, 15 Sep 2019 00:43:34 +1000, cantankerous trolling geezer Rodent

Speed, the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, blabbered, again:

> The don't support the whole lot and never did.

Hey, senile Rodent, aren't you yet another one of those MANY senile Usenet
millionaires who can't do ANYTHING with all their money other than troll on
Usenet? YEAR after YEAR? I do remember you told us repeatedly that you got
"money to burn"! LOL

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[Roger Hayter]

But that *is* an easy life! It may be hard work, but it is much easier
than working in a factory or being on the dole.





--

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[Rod Speed]

"Roger Hayter" <ro...@hayter.org> wrote in message
news:1odwkho.8zbnzqopu8owN%ro...@hayter.org...

Much easier for some getting a handout from the state and
spending your time doing what you prefer to do like fishing etc.

[Peeler]

On Sun, 15 Sep 2019 08:04:51 +1000, cantankerous trolling geezer Rodent

Speed, the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, blabbered, again:

<FLUSH senile Ozzietard's latest trollshit>

Fuck off from normally evolved humans' ngs, you trolling piece of Ozzie
shit!

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"This is like having a conversation with someone with brain damage."
MID: <ps10v9$uo2$1...@gioia.aioe.org>

[JNugent]

On 14/09/2019 12:11, Archibald Tarquin Blenkinsopp Esq wrote:
> On Sat, 14 Sep 2019 11:48:20 +0100, "Dave Plowman (News)"
> <da...@davenoise.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> In article <gu3jpq...@mid.individual.net>,
>> Spike <Aero....@mail.invalid> wrote:
>>> Stephen Thomas Cole CB/M0TEY is quite concerned about other people's
>>> money - he once bragged that he lives only five minutes walk from

>>> millionaires. It‘s a very bleak worldview and we genuinely pity him.

>>
>> That's very sad. I'm a millionaire as are most of my neighbours. Must be
>> horrid living in the sticks.
>
> Well done, there are some out there that still appreciate that others
> can strive as hard and as is nearly always the case, a lot harder to
> live hand to mouth.
>
> It nausiates me to see people being hero worshipped for making
> millions for effectively moving peoples cash about or gambling, while
> the poor bloke making things and supporting the whole lot is ignored.
>
> AB

In your context, what does "effectively" mean?

It seems to mean "not at all, but I feel like saying so".

[Paul Cummins]

In article <1odwkho.8zbnzqopu8owN%ro...@hayter.org>, ro...@hayter.org

(Roger Hayter) wrote:

> But that *is* an easy life! It may be hard work, but it is much
> easier than working in a factory or being on the dole.

Put a man in a job he loves, and he'll never do another day's work,

--
Paul Cummins - Always a NetHead
Wasting Bandwidth since 1981

[The Natural Philosopher]

Investment fund manager?

> It seems to mean "not at all, but I feel like saying so".

--
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the right place whilst your head is in the clouds and your hand is in
someone else's pocket.