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Flybe, Another fine mess you got me into....
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Roger
Mar 5, 2020, 6:53:44 AM3/5/20
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It's many years I've been following the fortunes of flybe; I used to fly regularly on one of their routes and became quite endeared to them!
One of the things I liked was the comfort of the aircraft, the route I used was serviced by BAe 146's which were superb; but also the cause of their problems.
Every time they get into a crisis the analysts tell the same story: They should stick to specialising in short haul flights with a single family of turboprops; this is a bit of niche market in the UK which they serve well and do OK financially as well.
But every time a new set of managment move in, which seems to have been far to often, they seem to set their sights on becoming another Ryanair or Easyjet, and start buying jets.
That means they end up either competing head on with the low cost jet experts (and everybody who does that seems to go bust), OR they end up using innapproriate aircraft on their bread and butter routes.
If the government bails them out they should attach a rigid clause; they may ONLY operate short haul routes with turboprops !
One of the things I liked was the comfort of the aircraft, the route I used was serviced by BAe 146's which were superb; but also the cause of their problems.
Every time they get into a crisis the analysts tell the same story: They should stick to specialising in short haul flights with a single family of turboprops; this is a bit of niche market in the UK which they serve well and do OK financially as well.
But every time a new set of managment move in, which seems to have been far to often, they seem to set their sights on becoming another Ryanair or Easyjet, and start buying jets.
That means they end up either competing head on with the low cost jet experts (and everybody who does that seems to go bust), OR they end up using innapproriate aircraft on their bread and butter routes.
If the government bails them out they should attach a rigid clause; they may ONLY operate short haul routes with turboprops !
Farmer Giles
Mar 5, 2020, 7:37:26 AM3/5/20
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company, why should I help bail them out?
First of all, people need to fly less - where is everyone going to all
the time?
Secondly, Flybe is owned by Richard Branson and others. If there's any
bailing out to be done, let them do it.
Disgusted of Tunbridge Wells
Mar 5, 2020, 8:39:13 AM3/5/20
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with whatever aircraft they want regardless of cost!
abelard
Mar 5, 2020, 8:41:56 AM3/5/20
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and that many of the airports have no other useful income
if they stop the tax, they'll have greta on their case...
and fascist 'new' labour milking it like always
so no big flight operator is likely to want to buy the
operation...even for a bent penny
do i understand the situation :-)
holiday homes should fall in price!
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abelard
Mar 5, 2020, 8:44:36 AM3/5/20
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agent cob, short baley an starmer :-)
diane abbot endorses this message
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Pancho
Mar 5, 2020, 8:48:26 AM3/5/20
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On 05/03/2020 13:39, Disgusted of Tunbridge Wells wrote:
> Why not just nationalise them? Then they could fly wherever they want
> with whatever aircraft they want regardless of cost!
>
I don't think people should be flying from Tunbridge Wells. There is a
> Why not just nationalise them? Then they could fly wherever they want
> with whatever aircraft they want regardless of cost!
>
good rail connection into London and there is no where else worth going.
Disgusted of Tunbridge Wells
Mar 5, 2020, 9:05:31 AM3/5/20
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lacks an airport.
Keema's Nan
Mar 5, 2020, 9:13:49 AM3/5/20
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On 5 Mar 2020, Disgusted of Tunbridge Wells wrote
(in article<85026f9c8c3nvalrb...@4ax.com>):
Are you a relative of Norman Wells?
(in article<85026f9c8c3nvalrb...@4ax.com>):
Basil Jet
Mar 5, 2020, 9:25:53 AM3/5/20
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The Fall - 2000 - The Unutterable
Keema's Nan
Mar 5, 2020, 9:30:05 AM3/5/20
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On 5 Mar 2020, abelard wrote
(in article<fe026fpcs9cnhicfd...@4ax.com>):
You really do need to get out more.
(in article<fe026fpcs9cnhicfd...@4ax.com>):
Pancho
Mar 5, 2020, 10:07:13 AM3/5/20
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Keema's Nan
Mar 5, 2020, 10:27:40 AM3/5/20
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On 5 Mar 2020, Pancho wrote
(in article <r3r4iv$fco$1...@dont-email.me>):
It is only 20 miles from Gatwick.
Presumably, they all take taxis - being so disgusted with public transport.
(in article <r3r4iv$fco$1...@dont-email.me>):
Presumably, they all take taxis - being so disgusted with public transport.
Disgusted of Tunbridge Wells
Mar 5, 2020, 11:50:30 AM3/5/20
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On Thu, 5 Mar 2020 15:07:12 +0000, Pancho
<Pancho.Do...@outlook.com> wrote:
>On 05/03/2020 14:05, Disgusted of Tunbridge Wells wrote:
>> On Thu, 5 Mar 2020 13:48:26 +0000, Pancho
>> <Pancho.Do...@outlook.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On 05/03/2020 13:39, Disgusted of Tunbridge Wells wrote:
>>>
>>>> Why not just nationalise them? Then they could fly wherever they want
>>>> with whatever aircraft they want regardless of cost!
>>>>
>>>
>>> I don't think people should be flying from Tunbridge Wells. There is a
>>> good rail connection into London and there is no where else worth going.
>>
>> Nobody flies from Royal Tunbridge Wells for the simple reason that it
>> lacks an airport.
>>
>No Airport? I'd be disgusted too, even Biggin Hill has an airport.
That's not what I'm Disgusted about.
>On 05/03/2020 14:05, Disgusted of Tunbridge Wells wrote:
>> On Thu, 5 Mar 2020 13:48:26 +0000, Pancho
>> <Pancho.Do...@outlook.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On 05/03/2020 13:39, Disgusted of Tunbridge Wells wrote:
>>>
>>>> Why not just nationalise them? Then they could fly wherever they want
>>>> with whatever aircraft they want regardless of cost!
>>>>
>>>
>>> I don't think people should be flying from Tunbridge Wells. There is a
>>> good rail connection into London and there is no where else worth going.
>>
>> Nobody flies from Royal Tunbridge Wells for the simple reason that it
>> lacks an airport.
>>
>No Airport? I'd be disgusted too, even Biggin Hill has an airport.
Disgusted of Tunbridge Wells
Mar 5, 2020, 11:52:02 AM3/5/20
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>Presumably, they all take taxis - being so disgusted with public transport.
suitcases to the airport? And get in everyone else's way.
Disgusted of Tunbridge Wells
Mar 5, 2020, 11:52:23 AM3/5/20
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Disgusted of Tunbridge Wells
Mar 5, 2020, 3:09:00 PM3/5/20
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On Thu, 05 Mar 2020 18:51:26 GMT, Pamela <pamel...@gmail.com>
wrote:
>On 16:52 5 Mar 2020, Disgusted of Tunbridge Wells
>No.
You're not???
wrote:
>On 16:52 5 Mar 2020, Disgusted of Tunbridge Wells
You're not???
patrick...@gmail.com
Mar 5, 2020, 6:04:54 PM3/5/20
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On Thursday, March 5, 2020 at 1:41:56 PM UTC, abelard wrote:
> On Thu, 5 Mar 2020 03:53:42 -0800 (PST), Roger <ir...@iol.it> wrote:
>
> >It's many years I've been following the fortunes of flybe; I used to fly regularly on one of their routes and became quite endeared to them!
> >
> >One of the things I liked was the comfort of the aircraft, the route I used was serviced by BAe 146's which were superb; but also the cause of their problems.
> >
> >Every time they get into a crisis the analysts tell the same story: They should stick to specialising in short haul flights with a single family of turboprops; this is a bit of niche market in the UK which they serve well and do OK financially as well.
> >
> >But every time a new set of managment move in, which seems to have been far to often, they seem to set their sights on becoming another Ryanair or Easyjet, and start buying jets.
> >
> >That means they end up either competing head on with the low cost jet experts (and everybody who does that seems to go bust), OR they end up using innapproriate aircraft on their bread and butter routes.
> >
> >If the government bails them out they should attach a rigid clause; they may ONLY operate short haul routes with turboprops !
>
> i hear
Research is always an option
> On Thu, 5 Mar 2020 03:53:42 -0800 (PST), Roger <ir...@iol.it> wrote:
>
> >It's many years I've been following the fortunes of flybe; I used to fly regularly on one of their routes and became quite endeared to them!
> >
> >One of the things I liked was the comfort of the aircraft, the route I used was serviced by BAe 146's which were superb; but also the cause of their problems.
> >
> >Every time they get into a crisis the analysts tell the same story: They should stick to specialising in short haul flights with a single family of turboprops; this is a bit of niche market in the UK which they serve well and do OK financially as well.
> >
> >But every time a new set of managment move in, which seems to have been far to often, they seem to set their sights on becoming another Ryanair or Easyjet, and start buying jets.
> >
> >That means they end up either competing head on with the low cost jet experts (and everybody who does that seems to go bust), OR they end up using innapproriate aircraft on their bread and butter routes.
> >
> >If the government bails them out they should attach a rigid clause; they may ONLY operate short haul routes with turboprops !
>
> i hear
> 'they' are putting £25 supertax on each ticket
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_Passenger_Duty
> and that many of the airports have no other useful income
>
> if they stop the tax, they'll have greta on their case...
> and fascist 'new' labour milking it like always
>
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> www.abelard.org
abelard
Mar 5, 2020, 6:12:25 PM3/5/20
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On Thu, 5 Mar 2020 15:04:52 -0800 (PST), patrick...@gmail.com
wrote:
>On Thursday, March 5, 2020 at 1:41:56 PM UTC, abelard wrote:
>> On Thu, 5 Mar 2020 03:53:42 -0800 (PST), Roger <ir...@iol.it> wrote:
>>
>> >It's many years I've been following the fortunes of flybe; I used to fly regularly on one of their routes and became quite endeared to them!
>> >
>> >One of the things I liked was the comfort of the aircraft, the route I used was serviced by BAe 146's which were superb; but also the cause of their problems.
>> >
>> >Every time they get into a crisis the analysts tell the same story: They should stick to specialising in short haul flights with a single family of turboprops; this is a bit of niche market in the UK which they serve well and do OK financially as well.
>> >
>> >But every time a new set of managment move in, which seems to have been far to often, they seem to set their sights on becoming another Ryanair or Easyjet, and start buying jets.
>> >
>> >That means they end up either competing head on with the low cost jet experts (and everybody who does that seems to go bust), OR they end up using innapproriate aircraft on their bread and butter routes.
>> >
>> >If the government bails them out they should attach a rigid clause; they may ONLY operate short haul routes with turboprops !
>>
>> i hear
>
>Research is always an option
asking questions is 'research
>> 'they' are putting £25 supertax on each ticket
>
>If you're referring to Air Passenger Duty then it's not £25.
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_Passenger_Duty
>
>> and that many of the airports have no other useful income
>>
>> if they stop the tax, they'll have greta on their case...
>
>They would be likely to face an action (see Heathrow, HS2) around their decision and obligations under UK law on climate change (unless Parliament legislated it?)
>
>> and fascist 'new' labour milking it like always
>>
>
>Opposition opposes shock! horror!
bit like idiots argue....data doesn't count
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wrote:
>On Thursday, March 5, 2020 at 1:41:56 PM UTC, abelard wrote:
>> On Thu, 5 Mar 2020 03:53:42 -0800 (PST), Roger <ir...@iol.it> wrote:
>>
>> >It's many years I've been following the fortunes of flybe; I used to fly regularly on one of their routes and became quite endeared to them!
>> >
>> >One of the things I liked was the comfort of the aircraft, the route I used was serviced by BAe 146's which were superb; but also the cause of their problems.
>> >
>> >Every time they get into a crisis the analysts tell the same story: They should stick to specialising in short haul flights with a single family of turboprops; this is a bit of niche market in the UK which they serve well and do OK financially as well.
>> >
>> >But every time a new set of managment move in, which seems to have been far to often, they seem to set their sights on becoming another Ryanair or Easyjet, and start buying jets.
>> >
>> >That means they end up either competing head on with the low cost jet experts (and everybody who does that seems to go bust), OR they end up using innapproriate aircraft on their bread and butter routes.
>> >
>> >If the government bails them out they should attach a rigid clause; they may ONLY operate short haul routes with turboprops !
>>
>> i hear
>
>Research is always an option
>> 'they' are putting £25 supertax on each ticket
>
>If you're referring to Air Passenger Duty then it's not £25.
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_Passenger_Duty
>
>> and that many of the airports have no other useful income
>>
>> if they stop the tax, they'll have greta on their case...
>
>They would be likely to face an action (see Heathrow, HS2) around their decision and obligations under UK law on climate change (unless Parliament legislated it?)
>
>> and fascist 'new' labour milking it like always
>>
>
>Opposition opposes shock! horror!
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Byker
Mar 5, 2020, 6:57:35 PM3/5/20
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On 05/03/2020 13:39, Disgusted of Tunbridge Wells wrote:
>
> Why not just nationalise them? Then they could fly wherever they want
> with whatever aircraft they want regardless of cost!
Now who will fill the void?:
>
> Why not just nationalise them? Then they could fly wherever they want
> with whatever aircraft they want regardless of cost!
https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=flybe+collapse
The first in a chain of Kung Flu airline dominoes to fall?
Roger
Mar 6, 2020, 6:55:26 AM3/6/20
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On Thursday, March 5, 2020 at 3:05:31 PM UTC+1, Disgusted of Tunbridge Wells wrote:
> Nobody flies from Royal Tunbridge Wells for the simple reason that it
> lacks an airport.
Tumbridge Wells Air Ramp:
> Nobody flies from Royal Tunbridge Wells for the simple reason that it
> lacks an airport.
http://wrightbros.org/History_Wing/History_of_the_Airplane/Who_Was_First/Who_Was_First_Intro/Who_Was_First_Intro_images/1882_Mozhaisky_ready_for_launch.jpg
mro...@btopenworld.com
Mar 7, 2020, 5:41:02 AM3/7/20
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The comppany could be picked up for a song.
A white knight might come to the rescue but if the company cannot or will not fall back on its own resources then then such expectations cannot be high
So the vultures will pick over its bones.
That's commerce! Good money is never thrown after bad.
Keema's Nan
Mar 7, 2020, 6:03:16 AM3/7/20
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On 7 Mar 2020, mro...@btopenworld.com wrote
(in article<b3f0e409-17be-4fe1...@googlegroups.com>):
An unfortunate choice of words, because vultures are on the brink of
extinction in Africa.
Why might that be? Because vultures follow elephant and rhino poachers and
will circle above the dying animals, thus leading police spotters much more
quickly to where the poachers are.
No vultures, no rapid police response.
>
>
> That's commerce! Good money is never thrown after bad.
Why is this relevant; because as with all Rowing’s posts, the obsession is
with money.
(in article<b3f0e409-17be-4fe1...@googlegroups.com>):
extinction in Africa.
Why might that be? Because vultures follow elephant and rhino poachers and
will circle above the dying animals, thus leading police spotters much more
quickly to where the poachers are.
No vultures, no rapid police response.
>
>
> That's commerce! Good money is never thrown after bad.
with money.
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