Nostalgia Fix.

[Mike Swift]

If you're a certain age, i.e., an Old Fart, you may remember such
children's series of the late 50's early 60 as The Adventures of - Robin
Hood, William Tell, Sir Lancelot and Sir Francis Drake.

Fear not, Talking Pictures on Virgin Media 445, probably available on
other providers, are showing at least the first 2 episodes starting
Thursday 18th June at various times, not sure how long they will
continue.

I may have my rose tinted memory glasses on but I fondly remember after
school walking a hundred yards across the road to my aunt's to watch
them.

Living in the Colne Valley near Huddersfield we couldn't receive the ITV
signal despite running a cable up the hillside behind our house, weirdly
my aunt could on the other side of the road, eventually we had to have
cable TV, yes in the 60's, it came through a wire run on the houses from
Huddersfield to Milnsbridge, it gave us BBC, ITV, Light Programme radio
and Home Service radio, it was the only way to receive ITV until we
moved to Kirkheaton in 1965.

A further advantage was that they ran a paper shop so after they ended I
could read all the comics waiting to be delivered the next day.

Mike

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Kirkheaton We look on them only as rather mad Norwegians.
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[tim...]

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> If you're a certain age, i.e., an Old Fart, you may remember such
> children's series of the late 50's early 60 as The Adventures of - Robin
> Hood,

The theme tune certainly

>William Tell, Sir Lancelot and Sir Francis Drake.

Nope

> Fear not, Talking Pictures on Virgin Media 445, probably available on
> other providers, are showing at least the first 2 episodes starting
> Thursday 18th June at various times, not sure how long they will continue.

TP usually compete series that they start

though 140 Eps at once a week is going to take ages


tim

[Brian Gaff (Sofa)]

I worked for Redifusion and still can't spell it.

Yes they have a heck of a lot including things like Fireball XL5, and
probably four Feather Falls as well.

Brian

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[Brian Gaff (Sofa)]

TP is run by a husband and wife and one other relation in an outhouse near
their family home apparently. They are a bit short of money due to their
main advertisers, holiday and cruise lines being absent for pretty obvious
reasons at the moment.

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[Jeff Layman]

On 16/06/20 13:21, Mike Swift wrote:
> If you're a certain age, i.e., an Old Fart, you may remember such
> children's series of the late 50's early 60 as The Adventures of - Robin
> Hood, William Tell, Sir Lancelot and Sir Francis Drake.
>
> Fear not, Talking Pictures on Virgin Media 445, probably available on
> other providers, are showing at least the first 2 episodes starting
> Thursday 18th June at various times, not sure how long they will
> continue.

I've a feeling they've already done Robin Hood and William Tell, but I
don't remember the other two being shown on TPTV. I think that they've
also shown "The Buccaneers".

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Jeff

[JNugent]

Robin Hood (or at least, some of series 1, from 1955 / 1956) was shown
on Carlton kids, but that was 20 years ago.

Peter and Jane Asher were in one of the episodes.

[Mike Swift]

In article <rcb214$ars$1...@dont-email.me>, Jeff Layman
<jmla...@invalid.invalid> writes

>I've a feeling they've already done Robin Hood and William Tell, but I don't
>remember the other two being shown on TPTV. I think that they've also
>shown "The Buccaneers".

When I told my wife the first thing she asked was is Dan Tempest being
show.

Reminds me of the bad joke going round at the time.

Q - Where's the Buccaneers.
A - Either side of the Buccenhead.

I'll get mi coit.

[DaveG]

On Tue, 16 Jun 2020 13:21:07 +0100, Mike Swift wrote:

> If you're a certain age, i.e., an Old Fart, you may remember such
> children's series of the late 50's early 60 as The Adventures of - Robin
> Hood, William Tell, Sir Lancelot and Sir Francis Drake.

I wasn't born until '62 but remember all of those shows apart from
the Francis Drake one. They must have been repeated by the time I
was old enough to watch them.

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[tim...]

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> TP is run by a husband and wife and one other relation in an outhouse near
> their family home apparently. They are a bit short of money due to their
> main advertisers, holiday and cruise lines being absent for pretty obvious
> reasons at the moment.

IME afternoon shows on re-run channels are full of adverts for stair-lifts,
funeral plans and charities.

Though evening have now gone mainstream

Budgie last night - Mercedes-Benz, BT, EE, Hellofresh (does anyone think
this is good value for money?), GoDaddy and an online gambling site, plus
the ubiquitous ad for an orthopaedic aid for old folks

HTH

tim

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> On Tue, 16 Jun 2020 13:21:07 +0100, Mike Swift wrote:
>
>> If you're a certain age, i.e., an Old Fart, you may remember such
>> children's series of the late 50's early 60 as The Adventures of - Robin
>> Hood, William Tell, Sir Lancelot and Sir Francis Drake.
>
> I wasn't born until '62 but remember all of those shows apart from
> the Francis Drake one. They must have been repeated by the time I
> was old enough to watch them.

I'm sure that was normal with kids programs in the 60s

[AgentX]

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Oh, yes, I remember those. I used to love Sir Lancelot and William Tell.

K

[Indy Jess John]

On 17/06/2020 01:19, Mike Swift wrote:
> In article<rcb214$ars$1...@dont-email.me>, Jeff Layman
> <jmla...@invalid.invalid> writes
>> I've a feeling they've already done Robin Hood and William Tell, but I don't
>> remember the other two being shown on TPTV. I think that they've also
>> shown "The Buccaneers".
>
> When I told my wife the first thing she asked was is Dan Tempest being
> show.
>
> Reminds me of the bad joke going round at the time.
>
> Q - Where's the Buccaneers.
> A - Either side of the Buccenhead.
>
> I'll get mi coit.
>
> Mike
>

Q - Where did Napoleon keep his armies?
A - Inside his sleevies

[soup]

On 16/06/2020 13:21, Mike Swift wrote:
> If you're a certain age, i.e., an Old Fart, you may remember such
> children's series of the late 50's early 60 as The Adventures of - Robin
> Hood, William Tell, Sir Lancelot and Sir Francis Drake.

Only born in '62,few years yet till I'm an "old fart". ;O)

Earliest I can remember (late 60s early 70s ?) was 'Flashing Blade',
'White Horses', 'Robinson Crusoe', 'Aeronauts' all shown together all
dubbed.

Slightly later(?) 'Inigo Pipkin' (later when the Inigo actor died it was
just 'Pipkins'), 'Hectors House'. That last one might have been in the
just before the six o'clock news slot along with 'Magic Roundabout',
'Calimero' etc

Addendum:- and 'The Singing Ringing tree', frightened the crap out of me
that one.

[Brian Gaff (Sofa)]

Yes I heard the interview about ITC and talking pictures on Radio Solent on
Sunday Evening.
They have also found an intact episode of No Hiding Place apparently. The
other shows were actually made on 35mm film and are apparently in pretty
good nick in the main, as he sold all over the world.

They ended up talking about the Persuaders of course, made a mint that one,
as it had two big stars in it, even if a certain American was trying to come
off drugs at the time!

Brian

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[Brian Gaff (Sofa)]

Most of those were bbc though, not itv.

ITC is the main thrust of what has been gotten hold of. I look forward to
the Champians, Zoo Gang,Department S, The Saint, and many many more.

Brian

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[tim...]

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> Most of those were bbc though, not itv.
>
> ITC is the main thrust of what has been gotten hold of. I look forward to
> the Champians,

that was the first rerun that I saw on ITV3/4 when I first got digital

> Zoo Gang,Department S, The Saint,

ITV still run the colour episodes on continuous repeat.

I have given up waiting for them to show the B&W ones

[AgentX]

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Nearly all too late for me as we didn't have a TV then as it broke and
wasn't replaced until about 1973 (my gran did, so I could watch Monty Python
and the Goodies on hers) and school only allowed certain programmes - the
news and Top of the Pops!

K

[NY]

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I remember various children's dramas. Some were from abroad - I think one
was set in Switzerland or the Black Forest of Germany, another my have been
from Canada - and they were narrated by Gabriel Woolf (a name that appealed
to me as a six-year-old). There were also thrillers like Circus (set in a
circus that someone was trying to sabotage: the brake hoses of one of the
trailers were cut), Chinese Detective (with Deborah Makepeace), Out of
Bounds (set in the world of amateur gymnastics - I think the older brother
of one of the gymnasts was framed for a crime he didn't commit; the title
sequence had music by Kraftwerk and stroboscopic shots of a gymnast vaulting
over a "horse"), The Jensen Code (Milton Johns was scary as a very laid-back
but evil "baddie"). And Tightrope, where a reel-to-reel video recorder was
used as a way of broadcasting subversive messages in place of the Schools
and Colleges programmes: fancy anyone outside a TV studio having a way of
recording TV programmes...

I remember Hector's House (which always ended with the line "I'm a great big
<adjective> old Hector" with a different adjective each time, there was also
Kiki the cat and Zaza the frog). There was also The Herbs, Captain Pugwash
(before Victor Lewis Smith implanted false memories about it in the
collective brains of everyone!), The Clangers (I loved the Soup Dragon),
Ivor the Engine, and the Trumptonshire stories (Camberwick Green, Trumpton
and Chigley).

[Col]

On 17/06/2020 01:19, Mike Swift wrote:

> In article <rcb214$ars$1...@dont-email.me>, Jeff Layman
> <jmla...@invalid.invalid> writes
>> I've a feeling they've already done Robin Hood and William Tell, but I
>> don't
>> remember the other two being shown on TPTV. I think that they've also
>> shown "The Buccaneers".
>
> When I told my wife the first thing she asked was is Dan Tempest being
> show.
>
> Reminds me of the bad joke going round at the time.
>
> Q - Where's the Buccaneers.
> A - Either side of the Buccenhead.
>
> I'll get mi coit.
>

How many ears does a Vulcan have?
Three. The left ear, the right ear and the final front ear.

--
Col

[Jerry Brown]

On Wed, 17 Jun 2020 17:06:36 +0100, "NY" <m...@privacy.net> wrote:

<snip>

>> Nearly all too late for me as we didn't have a TV then as it broke and
>> wasn't replaced until about 1973 (my gran did, so I could watch Monty
>> Python and the Goodies on hers) and school only allowed certain
>> programmes - the news and Top of the Pops!
>
>I remember various children's dramas. Some were from abroad - I think one
>was set in Switzerland or the Black Forest of Germany, another my have been
>from Canada - and they were narrated by Gabriel Woolf (a name that appealed
>to me as a six-year-old). There were also thrillers like Circus

I recognised its theme tune when it was used as the closing music to
an episode of Big Train.

>(set in a
>circus that someone was trying to sabotage: the brake hoses of one of the
>trailers were cut), Chinese Detective (with Deborah Makepeace), Out of
>Bounds (set in the world of amateur gymnastics - I think the older brother
>of one of the gymnasts was framed for a crime he didn't commit; the title
>sequence had music by Kraftwerk and stroboscopic shots of a gymnast vaulting
>over a "horse"), The Jensen Code (Milton Johns was scary as a very laid-back
>but evil "baddie"). And Tightrope, where a reel-to-reel video recorder was
>used as a way of broadcasting subversive messages in place of the Schools
>and Colleges programmes: fancy anyone outside a TV studio having a way of
>recording TV programmes...

>I remember Hector's House (which always ended with the line "I'm a great big
><adjective> old Hector" with a different adjective each time, there was also
>Kiki the cat and Zaza the frog).

This was another French show (Maison de Toutou) where they had to make
up their own scripts to match the action, like the earlier Magic
Roundabout.

>There was also The Herbs,

Oh God, the Chives were scary!

>Captain Pugwash
>(before Victor Lewis Smith implanted false memories about it in the
>collective brains of everyone!),

I believe Seaman Staines, Roger the Cabin Boy et al predate Victor
Lewis-Smith (although I don't doubt that he helped keep the memory
alive) and likely originated in a student ragmag. Pugwash's creator
John Ryan used to go after anyone who made the mistake of claiming
that those names were his, although he never got around to my
schoolmates for our subversion of his other show, Mary, Mungo and
_Minge_.

>The Clangers (I loved the Soup Dragon),
>Ivor the Engine, and the Trumptonshire stories (Camberwick Green, Trumpton
>and Chigley).

--
Jerry Brown

A cat may look at a king
(but probably won't bother)

[Oliver]

On 16/06/2020 13:21, Mike Swift wrote:

> If you're a certain age, i.e., an Old Fart, you may remember such
> children's series of the late 50's early 60 as The Adventures of - Robin
> Hood, William Tell, Sir Lancelot and Sir Francis Drake.

Lots of Robin Hood episodes here, also Sir Lancelot:

<https://archive.org/search.php?query=subject%3A%22The%20Adventures%20of%20Robin%20Hood%22>

--
Oliver

[Indy Jess John]

On 16/06/2020 13:21, Mike Swift wrote:

> If you're a certain age, i.e., an Old Fart, you may remember such
> children's series of the late 50's early 60 as The Adventures of - Robin
> Hood, William Tell, Sir Lancelot and Sir Francis Drake.

I remember watching Space Patrol.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space_Patrol_(1962_TV_series)#Original_UK_Broadcasts

Good escapist fun. At the time I never wondered what "yobba rays" were.

Jim

[AgentX]

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I thought that was Davy Crockett with a wild front ear ...

K

[JNugent]

I always remember Milton Johns as a comic character actor - IIRC, he
used to play the neighbour across the street from the main characters in
"Butterflies". But he was a wonderfully sinister Adolf Eichmann in the
mini-series "Holocaust", about forty years ago.

[Brian Gaff (Sofa)]

I don't think Space patrol was Gerry anderson, too crude. Mason power, is
that the universe controlled by handshakes?
Also I remember quite clearly one craft towing another and the tether hung
down as if there was gravity, surely not!

ITC distribution was on the end of. Four Feather Falls, Supercar, Fireball
XL 5 Thunderbirds Stingray and numerous others.

Brian

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[Jerry Brown]

On Thu, 18 Jun 2020 12:52:41 +0100, "Brian Gaff \(Sofa\)"
<bri...@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:

>I don't think Space patrol was Gerry anderson, too crude.

It was by Roberta Leigh who worked with Anderson on Twizzle and
Torchy. After they split he did Fireball XL-5, she Space Patrol.

Space Patrol appears to be influenced by Forbidden Planet, judging
from the spacecraft design and atonal music.

>Mason power, is
>that the universe controlled by handshakes?
> Also I remember quite clearly one craft towing another and the tether hung
>down as if there was gravity, surely not!
>
>ITC distribution was on the end of. Four Feather Falls, Supercar, Fireball
>XL 5 Thunderbirds Stingray and numerous others.
> Brian

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Is that the same bloke who was the sinister regional manager in Corrie in
the 90s, then bought the shop off Alf?

James

[JNugent]

That is certainly something I wouldn't know, except via research.

Let's see... has Milton Johns ever been in "Coronation Street"
(according to imdb.com)?

And the answer, apparently, is "Yes".

<https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0424350/?ref_=fn_al_nm_1>

Milton Johns played someone called "Brendan Scott", in thirty-two
episodes between 1991 and 1993.

And I was wrong about "Holocaust". In that serial, Eichmann was played
by Tom Bell.

But Milton Johns played Eichmann in "War And Remembrance", 1988-1989
(which ISTR was the title of a sequel to "Winds of War"). An easy
mistake to make.

[DaveG]

On Wed, 17 Jun 2020 08:13:23 +0100, tim... wrote:

> I'm sure that was normal with kids programs in the 60s

I think it still is. You're guaranteed an ever changing
audience on a regular cycle depending on the target age
group. If they bothered to look in their back catalogues,
there's probably loads of old kids shows they could still
be repeating today. Young kids have great imaginations
and don't need the latest flashy 3D animations and CGI
to enjoy a show. The only issue would be checking all
the episodes for current political correctness so as
not offend the kids parents.

[DaveG]

Yes, being the same age as you give or take a few months I also remember
all of those too. Anyone remember Barrier Reef? An Australian show based
around the titular reef and a modern(ish) sailing ship with all the latest,
for the time, high tech diving gear and mini-submarines.

Likewise, there was the US based Whirlybirds.

[DaveG]

On Wed, 17 Jun 2020 13:01:38 +0100, tim... wrote:

> I have given up waiting for them to show the B&W ones

Same here, but since they won't broadcast or sell them, I
sourced them online and downloaded them. No one lost a
sale because there was no sale to lose. My conscience is
clear :-)

[DaveG]

On Wed, 17 Jun 2020 17:06:36 +0100, NY wrote:

> I remember Hector's House (which always ended with the line "I'm a great
> big
> <adjective> old Hector" with a different adjective each time, there was
> also
> Kiki the cat and Zaza the frog).

Clearly senility is setting in, otherwise you'd have remembered
is was Kiki the from and Zsazsa the cat :-)

Like quite a few of the children's shows aimed at that age group,
it was a translated import. (From France IIRC)

[Calum]

On 22/06/2020 01:04, DaveG wrote:
> On Wed, 17 Jun 2020 13:01:38 +0100, tim... wrote:
>
>> I have given up waiting for them to show the B&W ones
>
> Same here, but since they won't broadcast or sell them, I
> sourced them online and downloaded them. No one lost a
> sale because there was no sale to lose.

I guess you didn't Google very hard:
<https://networkonair.com/all-products/295-saint-the-the-complete-monochrome-series>

[NY]

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> On Wed, 17 Jun 2020 08:13:23 +0100, tim... wrote:
>
>> I'm sure that was normal with kids programs in the 60s
>
> I think it still is. You're guaranteed an ever changing
> audience on a regular cycle depending on the target age
> group. If they bothered to look in their back catalogues,
> there's probably loads of old kids shows they could still
> be repeating today. Young kids have great imaginations
> and don't need the latest flashy 3D animations and CGI
> to enjoy a show. The only issue would be checking all
> the episodes for current political correctness so as
> not offend the kids parents.

I'd be interested to see some of the programmes I enjoyed as a child. I've
seen Tightrope and The Jensen Code, albeit as (mostly) black and white
telerecordings which is all that survived to release on DVD. I've also seen
Youtube copies of Tom's Midnight Garden (the 1970s version), Carrie's War
(again, the 1970s version), and The Changes.

I'd like to see Circus, Chinese Puzzle, Out of Bounds, Treasure Over the
Water (Minnow on the Say, by Philippa Pearce), Sam and the River (I have a
sound recording I made at the time of it's haunting whistled title music)
and Runaway Summer. I bet they'd seem quite staid and the acting quite
wooden by today's standards. I remember thinking at the time that the lead
actress in The Changes seemed a bit wooden, as was the lead actress in Out
of Bounds - though I think in the latter case she was chosen more for her
gymnastic abilities than her acting abilities, since the series was based in
the world of competitive amateur gymnastics.

[NY]

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> On Wed, 17 Jun 2020 13:01:38 +0100, tim... wrote:
>
>> I have given up waiting for them to show the B&W ones
>
> Same here, but since they won't broadcast or sell them, I
> sourced them online and downloaded them. No one lost a
> sale because there was no sale to lose. My conscience is
> clear :-)

That's how I rationalise it too: copyright should be there to protect sales.
If the work is not on sale (or is "out of print" with no prospect of more
copies being made) then there is no sale to be made. I would be quite happy
to pay a nominal royalty for copies of not-for-sale programmes (if they were
made available for download) if I was sure it would all go to the programme
makers (cast and crew) and not to the broadcaster and the financial
parasites.

It is sad to think that broadcasters' archives are full of programmes that
were shown once (maybe with a repeat) and have never been seen since - and
there is no prospect of them *ever* being seen again because of rights. It
is better to raise a small income from internet release (maybe not mastered
to the higher standards for DVD release), distributed according to a
standard formula, than to raise no income at all. Releasing them for free or
for a small royalty does not leave anyone worse off than keeping them
forever in the archive (or, horror of horrors, deleting them).

I would dearly like to see a radical shake-up in the copyright system to
prevent "scarcity value" and items lying unseen in libraries and archives:

- All copyright should date from when the work was made (or the book was
written), rather than in the case of a book, from the date of death of the
author, so all works benefit from the *same* length of protection, rather
than an author's early work being protected (and raising royalties) for
longer

- Copyright should be seen as a sales protection: a two-way contract with
responsibilities as well as rights - as long as copies are available for
sale in unlimited quantities, they will benefit from royalties for the
agreed period of time, but that when the item goes "out of print", all
copyright protection lapses and amateur copies may be made. This is
completely separate from "moral right to be identified as the author" which
should continue for ever - no-one else should be able to claim that they
were the author.


My grandpa wrote a niche-market book in the 1970s about his memories of
railways in West Yorkshire in the 1930s-1960s. A certain number of copies
were printed. About 10 years ago, my dad (as grandpa's executor) started
getting requests for copies, but found that the publisher (rather than
grandpa) held the copyright, and that company had been sold, and the new
owner had no interest in resurrecting books from the original publisher's
list. Nor would they give/sell the copyright to dad. Stalemate. Dog in
Manger. Since grandpa died in the late 1970s, and copyright runs for 75
years from death, it will be about 2055 before it lapses and copies can be
made to satisfy a small but non-zero demand, by which time most of the
people who remember that time and would want to reminisce about it will be
dead. We have his original manuscript and photos, so it would be dead easy
for us to publish it as a PDF, either for free or for a nominal cost, but we
(as grandpa's descendents) are not allowed to do this.

[NY]

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> On Wed, 17 Jun 2020 17:06:36 +0100, NY wrote:
>
>> I remember Hector's House (which always ended with the line "I'm a great
>> big
>> <adjective> old Hector" with a different adjective each time, there was
>> also
>> Kiki the cat and Zaza the frog).
>
> Clearly senility is setting in, otherwise you'd have remembered
> is was Kiki the from and Zsazsa the cat :-)
>
> Like quite a few of the children's shows aimed at that age group,
> it was a translated import. (From France IIRC)

Yes, the French seemed to make a lot of those five-minute
before-the-evening-news animations - Magic Roundabout (Le Manège Enchanté)
is probably the most famous. Apparently the original Le Manège Enchanté was
a sort of political satire, but Eric Thompson (Emma's dad) wrote completely
new scripts and characters/personalities for the British version.

It was a *long* time ago since I saw Hector's House, and I think I did
bloody well to remember the names of the characters, even if I got them the
wrong way round.

[Indy Jess John]

On 22/06/2020 11:02, NY wrote:

> My grandpa wrote a niche-market book in the 1970s about his memories of
> railways in West Yorkshire in the 1930s-1960s. A certain number of copies
> were printed. About 10 years ago, my dad (as grandpa's executor) started
> getting requests for copies, but found that the publisher (rather than
> grandpa) held the copyright, and that company had been sold, and the new
> owner had no interest in resurrecting books from the original publisher's
> list. Nor would they give/sell the copyright to dad. Stalemate. Dog in
> Manger. Since grandpa died in the late 1970s, and copyright runs for 75
> years from death, it will be about 2055 before it lapses and copies can be
> made to satisfy a small but non-zero demand, by which time most of the
> people who remember that time and would want to reminisce about it will be
> dead. We have his original manuscript and photos, so it would be dead easy
> for us to publish it as a PDF, either for free or for a nominal cost, but we

> (as grandpa's descendants) are not allowed to do this.
>
In some ways it is a pity your dad investigated the copyright situation.
If he had assumed he had the copyright without asking, it is quite
likely that the new owner (who had no interest in the back catalogue
that had been bought[1]) would not have noticed.

There is a mindset that reckons it is better to apologise (and if
necessary pay royalties) if caught than to ask and thus have a refusal
on file. It should be used sparingly, but a book that has been out of
print for 40+ years is a reasonable candidate. That said, if a book
commemorates a specific event in time (as a flippant example, the award
of the George Cross to Malta has a ww2 relevance) then it is possible to
re-issue the previously out of print book on a significant anniversary
of the event. Awareness of such possibilities is necessary.

As for the photos, your Dad has inherited the copyright to the originals
whilst the publisher only has the copyright on the copies in the book;
and it only takes a little bit of editing of the original manuscript to
make it a new original work, and then you can put your own copyright
notice on it. Go ahead and create the PDF. Nobody who receives it is
likely to worry about why they didn't get a copy of the original book.

[1] Back catalogues get bought because copies held in libraries attract
royalty payments every time somebody borrows the book. The new owner
only wants the royalty money, not the hassle of recreating the book.

Jim

[tim...]

"Calum" <com....@nospam.scottishwildcat> wrote in message
news:rcpthe$18jf$1...@gioia.aioe.org...

buy to keep is NOT a replacement to watch once and once only

HTH

tim

[Steve]

I don't remember Barrier Reef, but would like to see that!
There are a few episodes on Youtube, I will have a look.

[Calum]

On 22/06/2020 14:27, tim... wrote:

> buy to keep is NOT a replacement to watch once and once only

No, it's not. But the poster I replied to said they downloaded those
episodes because "they won't broadcast or sell them", which is untrue.

[DaveG]

I don't think that site existed at the time :-)

[DaveG]

It was in a similar Saturday morning slot to things like The
Banana Splits, The Flashing Blade. The White Horses, Robinson
Crusoe, Belle and Sebastian etc.

[Mike Swift]

In article <rcakvl$8vf$1...@dont-email.me>, Brian Gaff (Sofa)
<bri...@blueyonder.co.uk> writes

They've just been on the BBC six o'clock news, right at the end, they
said it was Father and Daughter running it.

Mike

>TP is run by a husband and wife and one other relation in an outhouse near
>their family home apparently. They are a bit short of money due to their
>main advertisers, holiday and cruise lines being absent for pretty obvious
>reasons at the moment.

--
Michael Swift We do not regard Englishmen as foreigners.
Kirkheaton We look on them only as rather mad Norwegians.
Yorkshire Halvard Lange

[tim...]

"DaveG" <nos...@nospam.net> wrote in message

news:j9bIG.373050$aGl.3...@fx36.am4...

> On Mon, 22 Jun 2020 10:27:11 +0100, Calum wrote:
>
>> On 22/06/2020 01:04, DaveG wrote:
>>> On Wed, 17 Jun 2020 13:01:38 +0100, tim... wrote:
>>>
>>>> I have given up waiting for them to show the B&W ones
>>>
>>> Same here, but since they won't broadcast or sell them, I
>>> sourced them online and downloaded them. No one lost a
>>> sale because there was no sale to lose.
>>
>> I guess you didn't Google very hard:
>> <https://networkonair.com/all-products/295-saint-the-the-complete-monochrome-series>
>
> I don't think that site existed at the time :-)

but the product must have

I doubt someone has put a 17 disk (was it) set together recently

[Steve]

Well I watched the first episode on Youtube. It was very much of its time!
A bit ironic that although the story dealt with a plan to exploit and
spoil the barrier reef by mining, the good guys of the story were guilty
of bashing along the coral with their "submarine", and killing a large
grouper with spear-guns because it threatened them.
I loved the computers on board the ship!
I don't remember watching it in 1970 though I would have enjoyed it for
sure.
Steve

[Max Demian]

On 16/06/2020 15:29, Brian Gaff (Sofa) wrote:
> TP is run by a husband and wife and one other relation in an outhouse near
> their family home apparently. They are a bit short of money due to their
> main advertisers, holiday and cruise lines being absent for pretty obvious
> reasons at the moment.

I wonder how they sell the advertising space. I suppose there are
agencies that handle that for them, in the absence of a sales team.

--
Max Demian

[DaveG]

Don't know. All I know is I couldn't find 5 or so years ago.
Might be longer, I'm getting old and can't remember that far back :-)

[Calum]

On 23/06/2020 08:58, tim... wrote:

> but the product must have
>
> I doubt someone has put a 17 disk (was it) set together recently

Network DVD have been around and selling (mostly) old ITC and ITV stuff
online for a good 20 years...think I started buying stuff from them in
about 2003.

I couldn't tell you when they added The Saint to their catalogue,
admittedly...

[DaveG]

Somehow I seem to have missed them then. Or just don't remember them.
Has the site changed a lot through various makeovers? It's odd that
it's not in my list of places for hard to find stuff. Anyways, it's
bookmarked now!

[GordonD]

On 18/06/2020 21:17, James Heaton wrote:
>

Indeed it is - I was about to mention his Corrie role when I read your
post. I'd forgotten him being regional manager (at Freshco's?) but
remember him running the corner shop with a rod of iron, then dropping
dead of a heart attack.

--
Gordon Davie
Edinburgh, Scotland

[GordonD]

On 22/06/2020 11:09, NY wrote:
>
>
> "DaveG" <nos...@nospam.net> wrote in message
> news:EGSHG.102139$OL3....@fx41.am4...
>> On Wed, 17 Jun 2020 17:06:36 +0100, NY wrote:
>>
>>> I remember Hector's House (which always ended with the line "I'm a great
>>> big
>>> <adjective> old Hector" with a different adjective each time, there was
>>> also
>>> Kiki the cat and Zaza the frog).
>>
>> Clearly senility is setting in, otherwise you'd have remembered
>> is was Kiki the from and Zsazsa the cat :-)
>>
>> Like quite a few of the children's shows aimed at that age group,
>> it was a translated import. (From France IIRC)
>
> Yes, the French seemed to make a lot of those five-minute
> before-the-evening-news animations - Magic Roundabout (Le Manège
> Enchanté) is probably the most famous. Apparently the original Le Manège
> Enchanté was a sort of political satire, but Eric Thompson (Emma's dad)
> wrote completely new scripts and characters/personalities for the
> British version.

Each character represented a different nation. Dougal was called Pollux
and was British (hence the loving for sugar lumps). Dylan was called
Flappy and was Spanish (lazing around all day). Ermintrude was German
and Brian represented the French peasants. Mr McHenry, the gardener who
zooomed about on a tricycle, was Dutch and Mr Rusty, who operated the
roundabout, was Belgian.

[GordonD]

Does anybody remember an Australian show called 'The Yellow House'? I
have very vague memories of seeing it on STV on Saturday mornings. It
was the same format as Banana Splits, with various shorter episodes
being included in the overall thing. They had a very cheap imitation of
Gerry Anderson shows, where the characters were cardboard cutouts and
only the vehicles were models!

I seem to remember that it started with kids arriving at the Yellow
House of the title, which was in the middle of a field somewhere, and
going inside, where all the other things would happen. It had quite a
jaunty theme tune. Then at the end the tune switched to a melancholy
version because they were all going home again.

Or have I imagined the whole thing?

[NY]

"GordonD" <g.d...@btinternet.com> wrote in message
news:hm3f7o...@mid.individual.net...

I never knew that the characters represented different nations, only that it
was a lot more political and "deep" than the children's series that Eric
Thompson's scripts made it for the UK audience. I'm trying to work out the
connection between being British and liking sugar lumps.

[Steve]

Perhaps he was meant to be English rather than British, and the sugar
lumps were satirising the English love of a cup of tea, often taken with
a lump or two!

[soup]

The bit with them arriving sounds iffy, not really sure what you mean .
They all lived there.

All together now
♫ We all live in the yellow house ♫

[AgentX]

"soup" <cheeses...@hotmail.com> wrote in message

news:VRSmH.140494$TG.1...@fx08.ams4...

Can't help. Never heard of it, but then I don't what Banana Splits was
either. Have been rewatching William Tell and Francis Drake on Talking
Pictures TV, though. Always liked those as a child

K

[soup]

Banana splits was ace.
Had skits with the four main characters (four men in suits) and
cartoons, (Rhoazan kobar size of a donkey)

And the catchiest theme tune ever :-

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XMl6HnhFFIA

Immortalised by a punk band :-

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=flMS2gHFOH0

[Col]

On 31/10/2020 10:01, soup wrote:

>
> Banana splits was ace.
> Had skits with the four main characters (four men in suits) and
> cartoons, (Rhoazan kobar size of a donkey)
>
> And the catchiest theme tune ever :-
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XMl6HnhFFI

And suddenly it's the 1970s, It's Saturday morning and I'm 10 years old
again...

> Immortalised by a punk band  :-
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=flMS2gHFOH0

Remember this too. Love the banana mic!

--
Col

[Halmyre]

And Danger Island, with a young Jan-Michael Vincent.

Uh-oh, Chongo!

[DaveG]

On Sat, 31 Oct 2020 14:41:45 +0000, Col wrote:

> On 31/10/2020 10:01, soup wrote:
>
>>
>> Banana splits was ace.
>> Had skits with the four main characters (four men in suits) and
>> cartoons, (Rhoazan kobar size of a donkey)
>>
>> And the catchiest theme tune ever :-
>>
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XMl6HnhFFI
>
> And suddenly it's the 1970s, It's Saturday morning and I'm 10 years old
> again...

Same here!

>> Immortalised by a punk band  :-
>>
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=flMS2gHFOH0
>
> Remember this too. Love the banana mic!

I actually have the single. On banana yellow vinyl too!
(I wonder if it's worth anything now?)

[AgentX]

"DaveG" <nos...@nospam.net> wrote in message

news:_JmnH.5454$wxf....@fx25.ams4...

Sounds like I was too old for it. But speaking of punk, I watched White Riot
on the TV the other night and saw myself for about 10 seconds doing security
for the first ANL/RAR carnival. I don't know anyone had filmed back stage or
the "orchestra pit".

K