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Dry Gulch Pete

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Dec 10, 2011, 5:18:00 PM12/10/11
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Was good up to the death of Uther Pendragon and now has all gone to pot.
Not as crappy as 'The X Factor', of course, or 'I'm A Celebrity Give Me
£50,000!'.


Stephen Wolstenholme

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Dec 11, 2011, 8:07:00 AM12/11/11
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I always dig into the DVR when Merlin starts as it is a good indicator
of a all channels crap situation.

Steve

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Mike Swift

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Dec 11, 2011, 8:21:39 AM12/11/11
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In article <tia9e71jiatqshv4i...@4ax.com>, Stephen
Wolstenholme <st...@npsl1.com> writes
>>Was good up to the death of Uther Pendragon and now has all gone to pot.
>>Not as crappy as 'The X Factor', of course, or 'I'm A Celebrity Give Me
>>£50,000!'.
>>
>
>I always dig into the DVR when Merlin starts as it is a good indicator of a all
>channels crap situation.


I haven't watched my DVD for a while but as I remember it the TV mini
series Merlin from 1998 and starring Sam Neill knocks spots of this
modern rubbish

Mike

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MelanieSands

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Dec 11, 2011, 8:29:59 AM12/11/11
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Well, I liked it so far a lot, but I haven't watched the last 4
episodes I
recorded, so...no, I still like it. Hope they make another season.
Melanie

JNugent

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Dec 11, 2011, 8:57:15 AM12/11/11
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I saw the first episode of the first series but decided not to persevere.

That decision appears to have been vindicated when last night's episode (this
is a story set in SW England in the Dark Ages) not only featured a dialogue
between a black (African) man and an Asian woman, but the scene changing from
a location looking rather like Brussels, c.1800.

Thumper

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Dec 11, 2011, 9:11:41 AM12/11/11
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Your forgetting the black or mixed race woman that plays Guinevere (Gwen).
Didn't realise the woman playing Morgana was Asian. This may be more
realistic than the original because black people did exist back then. They
didn't suddenly appear in the 1960s.

It looks like Brussels because it's filmed in France.

JNugent

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Dec 11, 2011, 10:34:09 AM12/11/11
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Almost certainly not in south west England, though.

> They didn't suddenly appear in the 1960s.

Absolutely.

But depicting black people as residents of England in the Dark Ages is a bit
like re-making "Roots" and depicting Kunta Kinte's father as Chinese.

> It looks like Brussels because it's filmed in France.

I bet they could find a location that didn't have double yellow lines and
satellite dishes if they tried.

Sofa - Spud

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Dec 11, 2011, 12:07:32 PM12/11/11
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On 11/12/2011 14:11, Thumper wrote:
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Surprising anyone watches for historical accuracy really.

Dry Gulch Pete

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Dec 11, 2011, 1:21:11 PM12/11/11
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"Mike Swift" <mike....@yeton.co.uk> wrote in message
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> In article <tia9e71jiatqshv4i...@4ax.com>, Stephen
> Wolstenholme <st...@npsl1.com> writes
>>>Was good up to the death of Uther Pendragon and now has all gone to pot.
>>>Not as crappy as 'The X Factor', of course, or 'I'm A Celebrity Give Me
>>>£50,000!'.
>>>
>>
>>I always dig into the DVR when Merlin starts as it is a good indicator of
>>a all
>>channels crap situation.
>
>
> I haven't watched my DVD for a while but as I remember it the TV mini
> series Merlin from 1998 and starring Sam Neill knocks spots of this modern
> rubbish

That was excellent and had Miranda Richardson and Rutger Hauer - then they
did a sequel which was dire!


Dry Gulch Pete

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Ah but you probaby fancy Merlin or that Insp. Lynley villain or Arthur or
some of his knights!


Jeff Lawrence

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Dec 11, 2011, 2:29:37 PM12/11/11
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Sofa - Spud wrote:

>> It looks like Brussels because it's filmed in France.
>
> Surprising anyone watches for historical accuracy really.

Especially as its about a mythical wizard and features creatures such as
dragons. I'm surprised no-one has piped up with "But dragons didn't exist in
SE England during the Dark Ages!"
Cheers
Jeff


Sofa - Spud

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Dec 11, 2011, 2:39:22 PM12/11/11
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I stopped watching when they had Saracen ninjas in combat trousers and
high leg paratroop boots.

Felicity S.

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Dec 12, 2011, 4:00:11 PM12/12/11
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J.Nugent wrote:

> Thumper wrote:

>> J.Nugent wrote:

>>> Last night's episode (this is a story set in SW England in the Dark
>>> Ages) not only featureda dialogue between a black (African) man and an
>>> Asian woman, but the scene changing from a location looking rather
>>> like Brussels, c.1800.

>> Your forgetting the black or mixed race woman that plays Guinevere
>> (Gwen). Didn't realise the woman playing Morgana was Asian.

Katie McGrath is Irish.


>> This may be more realistic than the original because black people did
>> exist back then.

> Almost certainly not in south west England, though.

>> They didn't suddenly appear in the 1960s.

> Absolutely.

> But depicting black people as residents of England in the Dark Ages is a
> bit like re-making "Roots" and depicting Kunta Kinte's father as Chinese.

Africans arrived in Britain several centuries before the Saxons did.


Fliss

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JNugent

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Dec 12, 2011, 7:06:33 PM12/12/11
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On 12/12/2011 21:00, Felicity S. wrote:
> J.Nugent wrote:
>
>> Thumper wrote:
>
>>> J.Nugent wrote:
>
>>>> Last night's episode (this is a story set in SW England in the Dark
>>>> Ages) not only featureda dialogue between a black (African) man and an
>>>> Asian woman, but the scene changing from a location looking rather
>>>> like Brussels, c.1800.
>
>>> Your forgetting the black or mixed race woman that plays Guinevere
>>> (Gwen). Didn't realise the woman playing Morgana was Asian.
>
> Katie McGrath is Irish.
>
>
>>> This may be more realistic than the original because black people did
>>> exist back then.
>
>> Almost certainly not in south west England, though.
>
>>> They didn't suddenly appear in the 1960s.
>
>> Absolutely.
>
>> But depicting black people as residents of England in the Dark Ages is a
>> bit like re-making "Roots" and depicting Kunta Kinte's father as Chinese.
>
> Africans arrived in Britain several centuries before the Saxons did.

You are amazing.
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Sofa - Spud

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Dec 13, 2011, 4:23:19 AM12/13/11
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On 12/12/2011 21:00, Felicity S. wrote:
> J.Nugent wrote:
>
>> Thumper wrote:
>
>>> J.Nugent wrote:
>
>>>> Last night's episode (this is a story set in SW England in the Dark
>>>> Ages) not only featureda dialogue between a black (African) man and an
>>>> Asian woman, but the scene changing from a location looking rather
>>>> like Brussels, c.1800.
>
>>> Your forgetting the black or mixed race woman that plays Guinevere
>>> (Gwen). Didn't realise the woman playing Morgana was Asian.
>
> Katie McGrath is Irish.
>
>
>>> This may be more realistic than the original because black people did
>>> exist back then.
>
>> Almost certainly not in south west England, though.
>
>>> They didn't suddenly appear in the 1960s.
>
>> Absolutely.
>
>> But depicting black people as residents of England in the Dark Ages is a
>> bit like re-making "Roots" and depicting Kunta Kinte's father as Chinese.
>
> Africans arrived in Britain several centuries before the Saxons did.
>
>
> Fliss
>

**africans** what as a group like the Saxons or individually? do you
have any references for large scale african migration to the British
Isles before the Saxons?

Jeff Lawrence

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Dec 13, 2011, 5:43:05 AM12/13/11
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On 13/12/2011 09:23, Sofa - Spud wrote:

> **africans** what as a group like the Saxons or individually? do you
> have any references for large scale african migration to the British
> Isles before the Saxons?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Early_human_migrations
Cheers
Jeff

Max Demian

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Dec 13, 2011, 8:02:31 AM12/13/11
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"Sofa - Spud" <comfy...@hotmail.co.uk> wrote in message
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A bit of *mythological* accuracy would be nice, like having the story
bearing *any* relation to *any* of the original tales.

As it is, the BBC are just cashing in on the names, 'Arthur', 'Merlin',
'Uther Pendragon' &c.

--
Max Demian


Dry Gulch Pete

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Dec 13, 2011, 8:06:42 AM12/13/11
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"Martin" <m...@address.invalid> wrote in message
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> They arrived in UK early to avoid the immigration officers.
>
> He wasn't called black adder for nothing.

<g> Allers looked like he had a touch of the tar brush!


Dry Gulch Pete

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Dec 13, 2011, 8:09:09 AM12/13/11
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and Geoffrey of Monmouth is a bit previous!


Fred X

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Dec 13, 2011, 9:49:57 AM12/13/11
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On Tue, 13 Dec 2011 09:05:40 -0000, Martin <m...@address.invalid> wrote:

> On Tue, 13 Dec 2011 00:06:33 +0000, JNugent <jenni...@fastmail.fm>
> wrote:
>
> They arrived in UK early to avoid the immigration officers.
>
> He wasn't called black adder for nothing.

It's funny you should mention that as I've just been watching
Cash In The Attic and the surname of one of the production crew
was Blackadder. I'd always thought that it was a name made up
for the comedy series!

Fred X

Jeff Lawrence

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Dec 13, 2011, 10:21:31 AM12/13/11
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On 13/12/2011 14:49, Fred X wrote:

> It's funny you should mention that as I've just been watching
> Cash In The Attic and the surname of one of the production crew
> was Blackadder. I'd always thought that it was a name made up
> for the comedy series!

There was also a NZ rubgy player called Blackadder.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Todd_Blackadder
Cheers
Jeff

Mike Hall

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Dec 13, 2011, 2:20:23 PM12/13/11
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On 13/12/2011 13:02, Max Demian wrote:

> A bit of *mythological* accuracy would be nice, like having the story
> bearing *any* relation to *any* of the original tales.

> As it is, the BBC are just cashing in on the names, 'Arthur', 'Merlin',
> 'Uther Pendragon'&c.

This is the re-imagining: Battlestar Camelot!

I have to say it is improving now that every plot is all about how
Arthur is improving as king, rather than monster-of-the-week which
Merlin learns from Gaius/Old Dragon how to defeat whilst hiding his Secret.

I think one of the reasons that people are a little disturbed by this
family show is that Merlin is such a wimp! The show should be called
Camelot (the adventures of King Arthur as a boy) or Merlin should simply
admit to Arthur who he is, now that there is NO EARTHLY REASON WHY HE
STILL CONTINUES TO CONCEAL WHO HE IS!!!

Still, it could be worse: it could be the X-Factor or Strictly!


Mike Hall

Dry Gulch Pete

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Dec 13, 2011, 6:15:59 PM12/13/11
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"Mike Hall" <tar...@spam3spam.yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Merlin and Strictly are TV companions! :-D
Strictly is for posh people, X-Factor/I'm A Celebrity/Big Brother is for
"rough trade", lol.


Felicity S.

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Dec 13, 2011, 6:52:05 PM12/13/11
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Sofa - Spud wrote:

> Felicity wrote:
>> J.Nugent wrote:
>>> Thumper wrote:
>>>> J.Nugent wrote:

>>>>> Last night's episode (this is a story set in SW England in the Dark
>>>>> Ages) not only featureda dialogue between a black (African) man and
>>>>> an Asian woman, but the scene changing from a location looking
>>>>> rather like Brussels, c.1800.

>>>> Your forgetting the black or mixed race woman that plays Guinevere
>>>> (Gwen). Didn't realise the woman playing Morgana was Asian.

>> Katie McGrath is Irish.


>>>> This may be more realistic than the original because black people did
>>>> exist back then.

>>> Almost certainly not in south west England, though.

>>>> They didn't suddenly appear in the 1960s.

>>> Absolutely.

>>> But depicting black people as residents of England in the Dark Ages
>>> isa bit like re-making "Roots" and depicting Kunta Kinte's father as
>>> Chinese.

>> Africans arrived in Britain several centuries before the Saxons did.

> **africans** what as a group like the Saxons or individually?

Neither - nor do I refer to early human migrations.


> do you have any references for large scale african migration

I didn't claim that.


> to the British Isles before the Saxons?

Have you ever heard of the Roman Empire?


Fliss

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Jerry Brown

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On Tue, 13 Dec 2011 23:52:05 GMT, "Felicity S." <Fliss@orpheusnet>
wrote:
But what have they ever done for us?

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(but probably won't bother)

Dry Gulch Pete

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"Jerry Brown" <je...@jwbrown.co.uk.RemoveThisBitToReply> wrote in message
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Ooooooo - I was gonna say that and then thought, "Don't dood it, Reggie!".


Sofa - Spud

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You said Africans arrived before Saxons , when really you must have
meant black people , as Saxons as a whole came in great numbers and
changed society. Blacks came with the Romans but in such tiny numbers
that they made no noticeable change in the country. It wasn't really
till WW1 & 2 that people with different coloured faces became more
noticeable with many towns not seeing any black people till the 50's
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Felicity S.

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Martin wrote:

> Sofa - Spud wrote:
>> Felicity wrote:
>>> Sofa - Spud wrote:
>>>> Felicity wrote:
>>>>> J.Nugent wrote:
>>>>>> Thumper wrote:
>>>>>>> J.Nugent wrote:

>>>>>>>> Last night's episode (this is a story set in SW England in the
>>>>>>>> Dark Ages) featured a dialogue between a black (African) man and
>>>>>>>> an Asian woman.

>>>>>>> Your forgetting the black or mixed race woman that plays Guinevere
>>>>>>> (Gwen). Didn't realise the woman playing Morgana was Asian.

>>>>> Katie McGrath is Irish.

>>>>>> Depicting black people as residents of England in the Dark Ages
>>>>>> is a bit like re-making "Roots" and depicting Kunta Kinte's father
>>>>>> as Chinese.

>>>>> Africans arrived in Britain several centuries before the Saxons did.

>>>> **africans** what as a group like the Saxons or individually?

>>> Neither - nor do I refer to early human migrations.


>>>> do you have any references for large scale african migration

>>> I didn't claim that.


>>>> to the British Isles before the Saxons?

>>> Have you ever heard of the Roman Empire?

>> You said Africans arrived before Saxons, when really you must have
>> meant black people, as Saxons as a whole came in great numbers and
>> changed society. Blacks came with the Romans but in such tiny numbers
>> that they made no noticeable change in the country. It wasn't really
>> till WW 1 & 2 that people with different coloured faces became more
>> noticeable with many towns not seeing any black people till the 50's

> I assumed she meant North Africans. North Africa was part of the Roman
> Empire.

I meant Africans, partially because that's the term Nugent used.

As for North Africa it was, and still is, part of Africa.

I've already denied the numbers were large, but Sofa Spud seems to have
forgotten we're debating Nugent's prejudices at the top of this post.


Fliss

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JNugent

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>>> till WW 1& 2 that people with different coloured faces became more
>>> noticeable with many towns not seeing any black people till the 50's
>
>> I assumed she meant North Africans. North Africa was part of the Roman
>> Empire.
>
> I meant Africans, partially because that's the term Nugent used.
>
> As for North Africa it was, and still is, part of Africa.
>
> I've already denied the numbers were large, but Sofa Spud seems to have
> forgotten we're debating Nugent's prejudices at the top of this post.

"Prejudices"?

Wanting historical facts reflected something vaguely like accurately is
"prejudice", is it?

What would you say if the BBC made a drama series about a sub-Saharan African
village, or an Indian sub-continent vilage, set c. 700 AD and had white
actors play white people in some of the parts?

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Dry Gulch Pete

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Mr. Nugent.


Felicity S.

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J.Nugent wrote:
>>>> till WW 1 & 2 that people with different coloured faces became more
>>>> noticeable with many towns not seeing any black people till the 50's

>>> I assumed she meant North Africans. North Africa was part of the Roman
>>> Empire.

>> I meant Africans, partially because that's the term Nugent used.

>> As for North Africa it was, and still is, part of Africa.

>> I've already denied the numbers were large, but Sofa Spud seems to have
>> forgotten we're debating Nugent's prejudices at the top of this post.

> "Prejudices"? Wanting historical facts reflected something vaguely like
> accurately is "prejudice", is it?

> What would you say if the BBC made a drama series about a sub-Saharan
> African village, or an Indian sub-continent vilage, set c. 700 AD and
> had white actors play white people in some of the parts?

I shan't rise to your bait. What the BBC has done is make a drama series
in which a few black actors play a few black people, set in Britain at a
time when a small minority of the local population were black.


Fliss

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JNugent

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>>>>> till WW 1& 2 that people with different coloured faces became more
>>>>> noticeable with many towns not seeing any black people till the 50's
>
>>>> I assumed she meant North Africans. North Africa was part of the Roman
>>>> Empire.
>
>>> I meant Africans, partially because that's the term Nugent used.
>
>>> As for North Africa it was, and still is, part of Africa.
>
>>> I've already denied the numbers were large, but Sofa Spud seems to have
>>> forgotten we're debating Nugent's prejudices at the top of this post.
>
>> "Prejudices"? Wanting historical facts reflected something vaguely like
>> accurately is "prejudice", is it?
>
>> What would you say if the BBC made a drama series about a sub-Saharan
>> African village, or an Indian sub-continent vilage, set c. 700 AD and
>> had white actors play white people in some of the parts?
>
> I shan't rise to your bait. What the BBC has done is make a drama series
> in which a few black actors play a few black people, set in Britain at a
> time when a small minority of the local population were black.

Let me just correct that last bit for you:

What the BBC has done is make (or commission) a drama series in which a few
black actors play a few black people, set in Britain at a time when none of
the population were black and when there isn't the slightest evidence to
suggest otherwise. The BBC have done this for unstated reasons of their own
(and not for the first time).

Dry Gulch Pete

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We had a black Friar Tuck recently!
I myself would've had a white Friar Tuck and a Pakistani Robin Hood.


MelanieSands

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On 16 Dez., 10:30, JNugent <jennings...@fastmail.fm> wrote:
> Let me just correct that last bit for you:
>
> What the BBC has done is make (or commission) a drama series in which a few
> black actors play a few black people, set in Britain at a time when none of
> the population were black and when there isn't the slightest evidence to
> suggest otherwise. The BBC have done this for unstated reasons of their own
> (and not for the first time).-

Wikipedia tells us there were a "significant
number" of black people in Roman Britain (AD 43-AD 410)
usually those "involved with the military".

King Arthur supposedly lived up to 537-539, fighting the
Anglo-Saxons, and was killed, with Mordred in the
Battle of Camlann.

If you really want to be authentic, then the series can have
coloured actors, however everyone, black and white alike,
must all speak a old version of a Brythonic (Welsh, Cornish, Breton
etc.)
language, or perhaps Latin, but definitely not English,
not pre-Chaucer English and definitely not modern English.

And then who should understand it without subtitles?

So as I don't care whether Othello is played by a true
"black" or by a white in blackface, likewise I don't
care whether Romeo is played by a white or a black, and I
don't care how many different coloured people I see
in a TV series as long as they act well.

Although I did think it was funny seeing all those
Japanese extras in grass skirts playing Africans
in the film "King Kong versus Godzilla".

But that was just me having a closed mind.

Melanie

JNugent

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Dec 16, 2011, 4:24:52 PM12/16/11
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On 16/12/2011 16:55, MelanieSands wrote:

> On 16 Dez., 10:30, JNugent<jennings...@fastmail.fm> wrote:

>> Let me just correct that last bit for you:

>> What the BBC has done is make (or commission) a drama series in which a few
>> black actors play a few black people, set in Britain at a time when none of
>> the population were black and when there isn't the slightest evidence to
>> suggest otherwise. The BBC have done this for unstated reasons of their own
>> (and not for the first time).-

> Wikipedia tells us there were a "significant
> number" of black people in Roman Britain (AD 43-AD 410)
> usually those "involved with the military".

Ah yes... that authoritative historical source: "the bloke what lives down
the road and posts on the internet a lot".

You do know what Wikipedia is, don't you?

> King Arthur supposedly lived up to 537-539, fighting the
> Anglo-Saxons, and was killed, with Mordred in the
> Battle of Camlann.

If he existed.

> If you really want to be authentic, then the series can have
> coloured actors, however everyone, black and white alike,
> must all speak a old version of a Brythonic (Welsh, Cornish, Breton
> etc.) language, or perhaps Latin, but definitely not English,
> not pre-Chaucer English and definitely not modern English.

Listen: if Timon , Demetrius, Lysander, Helena and Hermia (all of Athens) and
Julius Caesar, Coriolanus and Mark Antony (all of Rome) and Cleopatra (of
Alexandria) all spoke English (and they all did in the works of The Greatest
Man Who Ever Lived), that's good enough for me. And for you.

But none of them were Chinese, no matter what language they spoke.

> And then who should understand it without subtitles?

> So as I don't care whether Othello is played by a true
> "black" or by a white in blackface, likewise I don't
> care whether Romeo is played by a white or a black, and I
> don't care how many different coloured people I see
> in a TV series as long as they act well.

That's very PC of you. Well done.

> Although I did think it was funny seeing all those
> Japanese extras in grass skirts playing Africans
> in the film "King Kong versus Godzilla".
> But that was just me having a closed mind.

Indeed. Insensitive to the concerns of others, for a start. It's commendable
that you have at least recognised it.

MelanieSands

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Dec 17, 2011, 12:29:48 PM12/17/11
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Oh you're such a racist snot, JNugent.

I was born in Khartoum, lived in Sudan, Nigeria, Ghana and also
in Kuala Lumpur/Malaysia as a kid, lived in Tunbridge
Wells for exactly 11 months, then onto Geneva to the International
School, and everywhere my friends were of all colours and all
religions. I myself get mistaken for Italian or Spanish, which
is cool, because they have beautiful women in those countries
(not to speak of the hot guys! And don't even get me started on
the food!).

So I'm not being "politically correct", I'm just expressing my
feelings. I don't see why you are upset that coloured actors
should show up in a TV series about a maybe-fictitious historic
Welsh king, as presumably the Romans brought a lot of people from
different origins along with them, and also, having such a
famous court, it is plausible that heroic young men from
all over the place would come from far and wide to serve
in his court.

Your point is not that it's not authentic, your point is
just that you don't want coloured people in certain TV
series.

Melanie
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JNugent

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On 17/12/2011 17:29, MelanieSands wrote:

> On 16 Dez., 22:24, JNugent<jennings...@fastmail.fm> wrote:

[ ... ]

>>> ... I don't care whether Othello is played by a true
>>> "black" or by a white in blackface, likewise I don't
>>> care whether Romeo is played by a white or a black, and I
>>> don't care how many different coloured people I see
>>> in a TV series as long as they act well.

>> That's very PC of you. Well done.

>>> Although I did think it was funny seeing all those
>>> Japanese extras in grass skirts playing Africans
>>> in the film "King Kong versus Godzilla".
>>> But that was just me having a closed mind.

>> Indeed. Insensitive to the concerns of others, for a start. It's commendable
>> that you have at least recognised it.

> Oh you're such a racist snot, JNugent.

You are just uncultured. It makes you incapable of thinking of abstract
notions except in strict terms of your own experiences. But the world isn't
all about you.

> I was born in Khartoum, lived in Sudan, Nigeria, Ghana and also
> in Kuala Lumpur/Malaysia as a kid, lived in Tunbridge
> Wells for exactly 11 months, then onto Geneva to the International
> School, and everywhere my friends were of all colours and all
> religions. I myself get mistaken for Italian or Spanish, which
> is cool, because they have beautiful women in those countries
> (not to speak of the hot guys! And don't even get me started on
> the food!).

> So I'm not being "politically correct",

Yes, you are.

> I'm just expressing my feelings...

...which are PC.

> I don't see why you are upset that coloured actors
> should show up in a TV series about a maybe-fictitious historic
> Welsh king,

I know you don't.

And I don't expect you to. It is clearly beyond you.

> as presumably the Romans brought a lot of people from
> different origins along with them,

Why do you presume that?

Other than that you find it a convenient, even though totally unsupported,
assertion.

> and also, having such a
> famous court, it is plausible that heroic young men from
> all over the place would come from far and wide to serve
> in his court.

I think you'll find that even the Daily Mirror wasn't being published then.
And it was definitely before the BBC's time. And CNN and MTV.

Incidentally, have you any theories on how such a widespread international
gathering of heroes would all speak the local language? Was Linguaphone
operating then?

> Your point is not that it's not authentic,

Wrong.

> your point is
> just that you don't want coloured people in certain TV
> series.

"Coloured people" (in your quaint phrase) should play coloured characters.
Despite the name, there were none in Dark Ages Britain.

Unless you can prove different (as opposed to presuming it).
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