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Vicky

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Oct 28, 2015, 1:12:19 PM10/28/15
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I really enjoyed Imagine, BBC iplayer, Yentob on Shylock. I thought
it excellent. Clever and accessible.

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Vicky

LFS

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Oct 28, 2015, 3:16:50 PM10/28/15
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On 28/10/2015 17:12, Vicky wrote:
> I really enjoyed Imagine, BBC iplayer, Yentob on Shylock. I thought
> it excellent. Clever and accessible.
>

It was better than I expected, some very interesting discussion. But I
do dislike Yentob and he didn't contribute anything to it.

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Laura (emulate St George for email)

Btms

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Oct 28, 2015, 7:03:00 PM10/28/15
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LFS <la...@DRAGONspira.fsbusiness.co.uk> wrote:
> On 28/10/2015 17:12, Vicky wrote:
>> I really enjoyed Imagine, BBC iplayer, Yentob on Shylock. I thought
>> it excellent. Clever and accessible.
>>
>
> It was better than I expected, some very interesting discussion. But I
> do dislike Yentob and he didn't contribute anything to it.
>

Not just me then. That said I am uncomfortable with disliking someone I
know only through the media. That is unless they present as generally
obnoxious, unpleasant or similar. i couldn't really say Yentob is any of
these things.

Trying to think of others I take against - I don't mean folk who express
views I disagree with but those I feel I just dislike ........ Anyone else
as irrationally prejudiced at times?
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Ralph B

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Oct 29, 2015, 2:43:48 AM10/29/15
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The only thing I have against Yentob is the suspicion that he might be an
anagram.

Sally Thompson

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Oct 29, 2015, 2:53:17 AM10/29/15
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I can't bear Stephen Fry, and avoid programmes he is in. I might actually
watch QI when Sandi Toksvig takes over:-)

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Sally in Shropshire, UK

LFS

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Oct 29, 2015, 3:31:00 AM10/29/15
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On 28/10/2015 23:00, Btms wrote:
> LFS <la...@DRAGONspira.fsbusiness.co.uk> wrote:
>> On 28/10/2015 17:12, Vicky wrote:
>>> I really enjoyed Imagine, BBC iplayer, Yentob on Shylock. I thought
>>> it excellent. Clever and accessible.
>>>
>>
>> It was better than I expected, some very interesting discussion. But I
>> do dislike Yentob and he didn't contribute anything to it.
>>
>
> Not just me then. That said I am uncomfortable with disliking someone I
> know only through the media. That is unless they present as generally
> obnoxious, unpleasant or similar. i couldn't really say Yentob is any of
> these things.

My prejudice against him was confirmed when Son had to work with him. He
proved to be unpleasant although his unpleasantness afforded Son what he
described as the greatest achievement of his life so far, the moment he
made Mel Brooks laugh.

>
> Trying to think of others I take against - I don't mean folk who express
> views I disagree with but those I feel I just dislike ........ Anyone else
> as irrationally prejudiced at times?
>

I'm not sure that prejudice is ever rational. I have concluded that some
people give off vibes that tell me that, however hard I might try, I
would never like them.

Vicky

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Oct 29, 2015, 5:23:23 AM10/29/15
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On Wed, 28 Oct 2015 23:00:49 +0000 (UTC), Btms <po...@thetames.me.uk>
wrote:
I think one of the R4 comedy programmes used to do a number regularly
"Oi, Yentob!" I forget in what context. Maybe it is that. i had a
vaguley less than positive feeling until I saw the programme but the
bits he did were fine and I liked him in them.


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Vicky

Vicky

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Oct 29, 2015, 5:27:15 AM10/29/15
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On Wed, 28 Oct 2015 23:00:49 +0000 (UTC), Btms <po...@thetames.me.uk>
wrote:

I can't stand the current Dr Who companion, nor the last Dr. Also
Hugh Witheringly-Wet, chef and presenter and the two who do the thing
where people buy properties at auction and do them up and we hear the
price differenc. I used to catch that in the gym. Also can't stand
Columbo and not keen on Judge Judy, who shouts too much. Unfortunately
B likes both those and has them on during the day.


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Vicky

Vicky

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Oct 29, 2015, 5:28:41 AM10/29/15
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On 29 Oct 2015 06:53:15 GMT, Sally Thompson
I'm not keen on him as he's smug and I don't like how he talks to
Alan, even if it is an act. But I do watch it and he's very good on
the radio in various things.


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Vicky

Vicky

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Oct 29, 2015, 5:32:59 AM10/29/15
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On Thu, 29 Oct 2015 07:30:58 +0000, LFS
<la...@DRAGONspira.fsbusiness.co.uk> wrote:

>On 28/10/2015 23:00, Btms wrote:
>> LFS <la...@DRAGONspira.fsbusiness.co.uk> wrote:
>>> On 28/10/2015 17:12, Vicky wrote:
>>>> I really enjoyed Imagine, BBC iplayer, Yentob on Shylock. I thought
>>>> it excellent. Clever and accessible.
>>>>
>>>
>>> It was better than I expected, some very interesting discussion. But I
>>> do dislike Yentob and he didn't contribute anything to it.
>>>
>>
>> Not just me then. That said I am uncomfortable with disliking someone I
>> know only through the media. That is unless they present as generally
>> obnoxious, unpleasant or similar. i couldn't really say Yentob is any of
>> these things.
>
>My prejudice against him was confirmed when Son had to work with him. He
>proved to be unpleasant although his unpleasantness afforded Son what he
>described as the greatest achievement of his life so far, the moment he
>made Mel Brooks laugh.

I have a similar reason for not liking John Prescott, even if he does
something right once in a while. We asked for his help for Capt Ex
when Shell were unfair and got away with it because they'd flagged out
to the IoM and UK labour law didn't apply. Prescott said he didn't
help officers. He'd been a ship's purser or something, so we thought
as Ex M Navy he'd have an interest. It isn't as if he didn't then go
well over to the lush side of life with his 3 jags.

>
>>
>> Trying to think of others I take against - I don't mean folk who express
>> views I disagree with but those I feel I just dislike ........ Anyone else
>> as irrationally prejudiced at times?
>>
>
>I'm not sure that prejudice is ever rational. I have concluded that some
>people give off vibes that tell me that, however hard I might try, I
>would never like them.

s

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Vicky

krw

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Oct 29, 2015, 5:47:33 AM10/29/15
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On 29/10/15 06:53, Sally Thompson wrote; my response is lower down:
As I thought she had given up tv to become a politician I shall refrain
from commencing watching QI.

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krw

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Oct 29, 2015, 5:49:40 AM10/29/15
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On 29/10/15 09:23, Vicky wrote; my response is lower down:
I have more concern that he appears to be able to draw two salaries
(both significant from the BBC) and to spend time (not) running Kids
Company. The former should never have happened. The latter indicates a
lack of management ability.

Mike Ruddock

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Oct 29, 2015, 5:59:48 AM10/29/15
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"Btms" <po...@thetames.me.uk> wrote in message
news:1068108015.467765558.395...@news.eternal-september.org...
May I refer the Hon umrat to Bill Bryson's latest book (The Road to Little
Dribbling) ?

He begins his chapter on Cornwall as follows:
START QUOTE
For some time, I have believed that everyone should be allowed to have a
dozen or so things that they dislike without having to justify or explain to
anyone why they don't like them. Reflex loathings I call them.
Mine are:
[There follow 15 numbered items, very varied, ranging from tasting menus to
Harry Redknapp passing The BBC red button and colour names like taupe and
teal that don't mean anything.]

He continues:

I know that this is more than twelve, but it is my concept so I get to have
some bonus ones. You might think that driving in the West Country of England
in the summertime would be on the list, but it doesn't qualify because it's
an obvious and rational loathing. It's the same reason you can't put Teresa
May or men who wear cravats on the list. It has to be something that some
people don't necessarily agree with, and no one can dispute that driving in
the West Country in the summertime is a nightmare. END QUOTE

I gather that there have been some adverse criticisms of this book, but it
really did make me laugh out loud, and I don't often do that.


Mike Ruddock






Jane Vernon

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Oct 29, 2015, 6:25:31 AM10/29/15
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Yes, I agree. Very few, but they exist. I used to work with teenagers
who had mostly bee excluded from school or occasionally were phobic or
refusers for other reasons. They were challenging but I loved working
with them because I just saw them as people who needed taking seriously
with all that life had thrown at them contributing to such difficulties.
There was one, though. I remember remarking to a colleague "I just
want to hit her round the head all the time!" and colleague said she was
so pleased to hear me say that because she normally admired my attitude
to all of them and it made her feel better about the ones she didn't
like much either.

I met a neighbour recently who had the same effect on me :(

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BTME

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Vicky

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Oct 29, 2015, 7:35:34 AM10/29/15
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I didn't know about Kids Company. That is appalling and I've gone off
him again.

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Vicky

vk

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Oct 29, 2015, 8:09:18 AM10/29/15
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On 28/10/2015 23:00, Btms wrote:
Sepp Blatter. Arsene Wenger. Diego Maradona. Thierry Henry.

Not really irrational I suppose. Three of them are cheats and the other
manages Arsenal.

Jenny M Benson

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Oct 29, 2015, 8:40:48 AM10/29/15
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On 29/10/2015 10:25, Jane Vernon wrote:
>>
>
> Yes, I agree. Very few, but they exist. I used to work with teenagers
> who had mostly bee excluded from school or occasionally were phobic or
> refusers for other reasons. They were challenging but I loved working
> with them because I just saw them as people who needed taking seriously
> with all that life had thrown at them contributing to such difficulties.
> There was one, though. I remember remarking to a colleague "I just
> want to hit her round the head all the time!" and colleague said she was
> so pleased to hear me say that because she normally admired my attitude
> to all of them and it made her feel better about the ones she didn't
> like much either.

When I was at TTC and doing my second Teaching Practice one of the
"tasks" was to write a sort of biography of 3 of the children in the
class. One of the children I chose to write about was a girl who I
described as someone that I found it very hard to like and that in
consequence I hard to make sure I treated her fairly. I was praised for
choosing to write about her and being honest, I remember.

Thinking about it, I suspect she reminded me too much of myself as a
child. She was a "big girl", rather graceless and not popular with her
classmates.

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Jenny M Benson

Jenny M Benson

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Oct 29, 2015, 8:48:11 AM10/29/15
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Alan Titchmarsh. Can't get to the "change channel" button fast enough
if he appears. Oh, and Matt Baker, too.

And any presenter who giggles all the time. Yes, Jules Whatsyourname
(who does Escape to the Country sometimes), I'm looking at you, as well
as several others, both male and female.

And pairs of presenters who take it in turns to gaze adoringly at the
other one while he/she does his/her piece.

And ANYONE who does cooking outside. I don't mean a proper BBQ, that's
perfectly acceptable, I mean al fresco cooking which could have been -
and SHOULD - have been done perfectly well in a nearby kitchen.
Something on yesterday pm with Nicholas Parsons and chef Brian
Umbrella,for example.

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Jenny M Benson

Chris J Dixon

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Oct 29, 2015, 10:16:07 AM10/29/15
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Jenny M Benson wrote:

>And ANYONE who does cooking outside. I don't mean a proper BBQ, that's
>perfectly acceptable, I mean al fresco cooking which could have been -
>and SHOULD - have been done perfectly well in a nearby kitchen.

At a guess, I think there are a couple of reasons. One is because
they want to show the location, and the other is that outdoors
you don't (generally) have to have all the lighting
paraphernalia.

I dislike news reports "on the spot" when nothing is actually
happening, and the report could have been done far better in the
studio.

Chris
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ch...@cdixon.me.uk
Plant amazing Acers.

Sid Nuncius

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Oct 29, 2015, 2:41:30 PM10/29/15
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Gyles Brandreth
Robert Kilroy-Silk
Fergal Keane[1]
Ainsley Harriott
Russell Crowe
Amanda Burton...

...er...how many are we allowed?

[1]I wrote this while being driven to distraction by his sickeningly
cloying narraton of Andes to Amazon:

[Introductory music: Chilean flute music]

Voice: Fergal Keane.

Andes to Amazon. A programme whose magnificent scenery and stunning
wildlife photography makes it the most beautiful programme on Earth. But
life here can be harsh. Once every week, without fail, a torrent of
repetitive superlatives caught helplessly in over-sincere phrasing
bursts out and swamps an area the size of Britain. Millions are caught
in this deluge, and a constant rain of falling cadences threatens all
but the most hardy. The incessant beating of portentous yet
self-consciously tender narration has forged this into the longest 50
minutes on the planet.

This is the home of the most self-regarding narrator on Earth.

[Music returns]

End.

--
Sid (Make sure Matron is away when you reply)

Vicky

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Oct 29, 2015, 2:47:38 PM10/29/15
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I heard a programme on R4 this afternoon about Brief Encounter and it
reminded me I can't stand Trevor Howard and am so glad he only got
paid Ł500 for it and Celia Johnson, who was a known star, got Ł12000.
Details of him support my dislike. I'm glad shedecided to stay with
her husband too and not comsumate the affair.


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Vicky

Nick Odell

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Oct 29, 2015, 3:36:03 PM10/29/15
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> paid £500 for it and Celia Johnson, who was a known star, got £12000.
> Details of him support my dislike. I'm glad shedecided to stay with
> her husband too and not comsumate the affair.
>
>
<Wail!>
I was going to get around to watching that next week. Now you`ve told me
the ending. Shouldn`t you have put "spoiler" in there somewhere?

Nick

LFS

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Oct 29, 2015, 3:39:40 PM10/29/15
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<giggle>

I'm glad I'm not alone in finding Fergal Keane awful. The worst thing
was hearing him talk about his problems with his father and his
alcoholism, because I began to think I should feel sorry for him, but I
really couldn't.

Russell Brand has me reaching for the off button.

LFS

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Oct 29, 2015, 3:43:04 PM10/29/15
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> paid £500 for it and Celia Johnson, who was a known star, got £12000.
> Details of him support my dislike. I'm glad shedecided to stay with
> her husband too and not comsumate the affair.
>
>

That film always makes me cry. It's a wonderful picture of middle class
life at that time, too, like something out of one of those lovely grey
Persephone novels.

J. P. Gilliver (John)

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Oct 29, 2015, 5:33:35 PM10/29/15
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In message <jba43bt63fm4rbso6...@4ax.com>, Chris J Dixon
<ch...@cdixon.me.uk> writes:
[]
>I dislike news reports "on the spot" when nothing is actually
>happening, and the report could have been done far better in the
>studio.
>
>Chris

+1 - especially with the delay you now get: studio presenter hands over
to damp reporter with a question germane to the reason he's there, and
there's a noticeable and irritating delay before he starts his report
with the answer to the question.

I dislike news reports that use the same footage repeatedly, especially
if (as is usually the case) they don't tell the audience that the
footage is repeated.
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

Advertising is legalized lying. - H.G. Wells

Vicky

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Oct 29, 2015, 5:59:27 PM10/29/15
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I'm really sorry, Nick. I thought it was ok with old movies.

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Vicky

John Ashby

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Oct 29, 2015, 6:31:00 PM10/29/15
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On Thu, 29 Oct 2015 18:47:34 +0000, Vicky wrote:

> I heard a programme on R4 this afternoon about Brief Encounter and it
> reminded me I can't stand Trevor Howard and am so glad he only got paid
> £500 for it and Celia Johnson, who was a known star, got £12000.
> Details of him support my dislike. I'm glad shedecided to stay with her
> husband too and not comsumate the affair.

I heard it too, while driving back round the Sth Circular from the Escher
Exhibition in Dulwich, and it had me shouting at the presenter for
describing it as an example of unrequited love. The love was very much
requited, it was however, as you say, Vicky, unconsummated.

My other (ObTA) observation was that the tea lady at Milford Junction
sounded a lot like Lynda Snell.

john

Jenny M Benson

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Oct 29, 2015, 7:11:12 PM10/29/15
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On 29/10/2015 19:36, Nick Odell wrote:
>> I heard a programme on R4 this afternoon about Brief Encounter and it
>> reminded me I can't stand Trevor Howard and am so glad he only got
>> paid £500 for it and Celia Johnson, who was a known star, got £12000.
>> Details of him support my dislike. I'm glad shedecided to stay with
>> her husband too and not comsumate the affair.
>>
>>
> <Wail!>
> I was going to get around to watching that next week. Now you`ve told me
> the ending. Shouldn`t you have put "spoiler" in there somewhere?

I ADORE that film and watch it over and over again. It matters not a
job that I know exactly what happens at every moment. I can quote
chunks of it, too.

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Jenny M Benson

Jenny M Benson

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Oct 29, 2015, 7:20:54 PM10/29/15
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On 29/10/2015 23:11, Jenny M Benson wrote:
> It matters not a job
...not a joT, of course. Fingers taking control!

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Jenny M Benson

Joe Kerr

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Oct 29, 2015, 8:50:46 PM10/29/15
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I believe (which doesn't make it true) that she has merely abandoned
political comedy as it would be a conflict of interest with her
involvement in politics.

--
Ric

Joe Kerr

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Oct 29, 2015, 9:06:32 PM10/29/15
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On 29/10/2015 19:43, LFS wrote:

>
> That film always makes me cry. It's a wonderful picture of middle class
> life at that time, too, like something out of one of those lovely grey
> Persephone novels.
>
Are they the latest offerings from E L James?

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Ric

Sam Plusnet

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Oct 29, 2015, 10:43:50 PM10/29/15
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In article <+kYEJgF9...@soft255.demon.co.uk>,
G6...@soft255.demon.co.uk says...
>
> I dislike news reports that use the same footage repeatedly, especially
> if (as is usually the case) they don't tell the audience that the
> footage is repeated.
>
>
"Rolling News"

Lovely isn't it?


--
Sam

Sam Plusnet

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Oct 29, 2015, 10:45:30 PM10/29/15
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In article <rk553bp4v76vsk1a0...@4ax.com>,
vicky...@gmail.com says...

> I'm glad she decided to stay with
> >> her husband too and not comsumate the affair.
> >>
> >>
> ><Wail!>
> >I was going to get around to watching that next week. Now you`ve told me
> >the ending. Shouldn`t you have put "spoiler" in there somewhere?
> >
>
>
> I'm really sorry, Nick. I thought it was ok with old movies.
>
>
There's bound to have been a remake which came to a different
conclusion.


--
Sam

Sam Plusnet

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Oct 29, 2015, 10:49:21 PM10/29/15
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In article <n0u6j0$uk9$1...@dont-email.me>, johna...@yahoo.com says...

>
> I heard it too, while driving back round the Sth Circular from the Escher
> Exhibition in Dulwich,
>

I sometimes imagine my Satnav has been infected by Escher.

But then I suspect the South Circular is similarly afflicted.

--
Sam

Sid Nuncius

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Oct 30, 2015, 2:58:40 AM10/30/15
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On 29/10/2015 21:59, Vicky wrote:
> On Thu, 29 Oct 2015 17:36:03 -0200, Nick Odell
> I'm really sorry, Nick. I thought it was ok with old movies.

<possibly compounding the spoiler>

It's hard to know where to draw the line, isn't it? I'd have done the
same, I think, so it's a salutary warning to me. The trouble is that
"You've been so vrereh far aweh. Thenk you for coming beck t'meh," is a
bit of a catchphrase chez Nuncius, so I just assume that everyone knows.

(Mind you, someone complained about spoilers in friend's Amazon review
of a paperback edition of Pride And Prejudice, which I did think was
going a little far.)

Sid Nuncius

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Oct 30, 2015, 3:02:48 AM10/30/15
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When in Provence many years ago I was certain that the roads in
Carpentras had been laid out by Escher. We ended up at the same boodly
place *so* often that it's forever known as Crapentras in our house.[1]

--
Sid (Make sure Matron is away when you reply)
[1]Sometimes puerile vulgarity is the only thing which will do.

Btms

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Oct 30, 2015, 3:10:38 AM10/30/15
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I didn't have any limit in mind. Either I am very accepting or unwilling
to acknowledge my prejudices because whilst saying I am uncomfortable with
this, I can't name many. i suspect my disquiet is kept in check with a
jolly good dollop of denia
.

LFS

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Oct 30, 2015, 3:10:56 AM10/30/15
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On 29/10/2015 18:47, Vicky wrote:

>
> I heard a programme on R4 this afternoon about Brief Encounter and it
> reminded me I can't stand Trevor Howard and am so glad he only got
> paid £500 for it and Celia Johnson, who was a known star, got £12000.
> Details of him support my dislike. I'm glad shedecided to stay with
> her husband too and not comsumate the affair.
>
>

Just listened to it, thanks for flagging it up. Pleased to find that I
was not alone in suspecting Trevor Howard of having done it before!

LFS

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Oct 30, 2015, 3:15:23 AM10/30/15
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On 29/10/2015 22:28, John Ashby wrote:
> On Thu, 29 Oct 2015 18:47:34 +0000, Vicky wrote:
>
>> I heard a programme on R4 this afternoon about Brief Encounter and it
>> reminded me I can't stand Trevor Howard and am so glad he only got paid
>> £500 for it and Celia Johnson, who was a known star, got £12000.
>> Details of him support my dislike. I'm glad shedecided to stay with her
>> husband too and not comsumate the affair.
>
> I heard it too, while driving back round the Sth Circular from the Escher
> Exhibition in Dulwich,

What did you think of the exhibition? I'm still wondering whether it
will be worth the trek to Dulwich. It can get so uncomfortably crowded
there.

LFS

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Oct 30, 2015, 3:17:32 AM10/30/15
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Ha.

For anyone who doesn't know them: http://www.persephonebooks.co.uk/

Chris J Dixon

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Oct 30, 2015, 4:22:10 AM10/30/15
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Vicky wrote:

>I'm really sorry, Nick. I thought it was ok with old movies.

I have a bad feeling about how things are going to work out for
Titanic.

John Ashby

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Oct 30, 2015, 4:28:54 AM10/30/15
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14 yr old geek boy and I enjoyed it, helped by him having done a piece of
art last year based in part on the self-portrait with spherical mirror,
and finding that Escher had gone through the same quasi-mathematical
processes to work out the distortions. It was interesting to see the
progression from early work fusing art nouveau and cubist tropes to the
development of his own style (The same sense of progression, mutatis
mutandi, comes from the Picasso museum in Barcelona). I hadn't realised
that Roger Penrose had an influence on him late in his life (though both
geek boy and I had wondered before discovering this whether he could have
done one of his tesellations based on Penrose tiling) and we had some fun
looking at the scientific papers on geometry.

Seeing the works at full size and on display meant we looked much more
carefully at the techniques than we would with a book, and comparing some
of the preliminary sketches with the finished prints gave insight into
how self-critical Escher must have been.

It was full, not crowded, in part because of half-term and in part
because of several slow-moving geriatrics (I'm allowed to say that being
nearly there myself), and I would guess that if you choose your time more
carefully that we were able to it could be even more rewarding.

Hope that helps.

john

Chris J Dixon

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Oct 30, 2015, 4:40:44 AM10/30/15
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Sid Nuncius wrote:

>[1]I wrote this while being driven to distraction by his sickeningly
>cloying narraton of Andes to Amazon:
>
>[Introductory music: Chilean flute music]
>
>Voice: Fergal Keane.
>
>Andes to Amazon. A programme whose magnificent scenery and stunning
>wildlife photography makes it the most beautiful programme on Earth. But
>life here can be harsh. Once every week, without fail, a torrent of
>repetitive superlatives caught helplessly in over-sincere phrasing
>bursts out and swamps an area the size of Britain. Millions are caught
>in this deluge, and a constant rain of falling cadences threatens all
>but the most hardy. The incessant beating of portentous yet
>self-consciously tender narration has forged this into the longest 50
>minutes on the planet.
>
>This is the home of the most self-regarding narrator on Earth.
>
>[Music returns]
>
>End.

Bravo!

I am fascinated by the speech patterns and intonation used for
voice over. There seems to be styles which are to a degree
independent of the actual narrator, so I can only presume that
either they are unconsciously copying each other, or some
production influence causes it.

WDYTYA (UK & US) has had various narrators, both male and female,
but they all achieve the same sound.

Gok Wan has what I would once have said was a unique style, until
I watched a very different subject - Engine Addict with Jimmy de
Ville (1), and realised he employed exactly the same cadences
(but no nudity).

A few years ago there was a series on Galapagos, and we didn't
manage to stay awake to the end of a single programme. Since then
the very word prompts us to feign instant sleep.

(1) Watch one of these snippets
http://www.edifice-watches.co.uk/jimmy-de-ville.aspx

Vicky

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I can't stand Simpering Sally on Breakfast BBC tv. She's bad enough on
sport but when she's the main presenter I can't watch. I stopped
watching anyway because ITV presenters are all good and now I'm not
going to the gym anyway, while they do a refit.

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Sid Nuncius

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On 30/10/2015 07:08, Btms wrote:
> Sid Nuncius <matron....@tesco.net> wrote:
>> On 29/10/2015 12:09, vk wrote:
>>> On 28/10/2015 23:00, Btms wrote:

>>>> Trying to think of others I take against - I don't mean folk who
express
>>>> views I disagree with but those I feel I just dislike ........ Anyone
>>>> else
>>>> as irrationally prejudiced at times?
>>>>
>>>
>>> Sepp Blatter. Arsene Wenger. Diego Maradona. Thierry Henry.
>>>
>>> Not really irrational I suppose. Three of them are cheats and the other
>>> manages Arsenal.
>>>
>> Gyles Brandreth
>> Robert Kilroy-Silk
>> Fergal Keane[1]
>> Ainsley Harriott
>> Russell Crowe
>> Amanda Burton...
>>
>> ...er...how many are we allowed?

<self-snippage>
...
<wince>

> I didn't have any limit in mind. Either I am very accepting or unwilling
> to acknowledge my prejudices because whilst saying I am uncomfortable
with
> this, I can't name many.

I can. I'm a fully paid-up Grumpy Old Git these days and my list of
dislikes, rational or irrational, seems to lengthen daily. Two more
outstanding candidates are Jonathan Bloody Dimbleby and Geri Halliwell[1].

[1]I don't watch never Mind The Buzzcocks that often but made an effort
to see Cathy Burke host a few years ago. Because Greg Rutherford was a
guest they had a round called Name That Ginger. Cathy Burke looked at
one set of clues and said "It don't say this on the card, but she's
really fackin' annoyin'," and everyone chorused "Geri Halliwell" which
was the correct answer. Cruel, I admit, but
a) very funny
and
b) very true.

carolet

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I suspect that there are more people who will read Pride and Prejudice
but have not done so yet, than will watch Brief Encounter but have not
done so yet.

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Sid Nuncius wrote:

>I can. I'm a fully paid-up Grumpy Old Git these days and my list of
>dislikes, rational or irrational, seems to lengthen daily. Two more
>outstanding candidates are Jonathan Bloody Dimbleby and Geri Halliwell[1].
>
>[1]I don't watch never Mind The Buzzcocks that often but made an effort
>to see Cathy Burke host a few years ago. Because Greg Rutherford was a
>guest they had a round called Name That Ginger. Cathy Burke looked at
>one set of clues and said "It don't say this on the card, but she's
>really fackin' annoyin'," and everyone chorused "Geri Halliwell" which
>was the correct answer. Cruel, I admit, but
>a) very funny
>and
>b) very true.

AIAOU to have thought it was some sort of jape when I first read
that she was about to become Mrs Horner?

Iain Archer

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Sid Nuncius <matron....@tesco.net> wrote on Fri, 30 Oct 2015 at
06:58:42:
>On 29/10/2015 21:59, Vicky wrote:
>> On Thu, 29 Oct 2015 17:36:03 -0200, Nick Odell
>>> On 29/10/2015 04:47 p.m., Vicky wrote:
>
>>>> I heard a programme on R4 this afternoon about Brief Encounter and it
>>>> reminded me I can't stand Trevor Howard and am so glad he only got
>>>> paid Ł500 for it and Celia Johnson, who was a known star, got Ł12000.
>>>> Details of him support my dislike. I'm glad shedecided to stay with
>>>> her husband too and not comsumate the affair.
>>>>
>>>>
>>> <Wail!>
>>> I was going to get around to watching that next week. Now you`ve told me
>>> the ending. Shouldn`t you have put "spoiler" in there somewhere?
>>
>>
>> I'm really sorry, Nick. I thought it was ok with old movies.
>
><possibly compounding the spoiler>

It were a joke, wurr'nt it?
>
>It's hard to know where to draw the line, isn't it? I'd have done the
>same, I think, so it's a salutary warning to me. The trouble is that
>"You've been so vrereh far aweh. Thenk you for coming beck t'meh," is
>a bit of a catchphrase chez Nuncius, so I just assume that everyone knows.
>
>(Mind you, someone complained about spoilers in friend's Amazon review
>of a paperback edition of Pride And Prejudice, which I did think was
>going a little far.)
>
I still have to (fsvo "have") see Star Wars, Umrella to the Future
(which series, I gather recently from the radio, everyone has seen,
knows and loves), a complete James Bond, Downton Abbey (apart from a
clip on C4 Goggle Box, which helped explain the Private Eye spoof this
week), Gone With The Wind, Exodus, .... So no spoilers please.

Did they say how much the BE Tea Lady got?
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Iain Archer

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LFS <la...@DRAGONspira.fsbusiness.co.uk> wrote on Fri, 30 Oct 2015 at
07:15:22:
If you'll marry me I can probably get you in for free as a family guest.
I'm a friend of the gallery, you know.
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Iain Archer

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Sid Nuncius <matron....@tesco.net> wrote on Fri, 30 Oct 2015 at
07:02:52:
>On 30/10/2015 02:49, Sam Plusnet wrote:
>> In article <n0u6j0$uk9$1...@dont-email.me>, johna...@yahoo.com says...
>>
>>>
>>> I heard it too, while driving back round the Sth Circular from the Escher
>>> Exhibition in Dulwich,
>>>
>>
>> I sometimes imagine my Satnav has been infected by Escher.
>>
>> But then I suspect the South Circular is similarly afflicted.
>
>When in Provence many years ago I was certain that the roads in
>Carpentras had been laid out by Escher. We ended up at the same boodly
>place *so* often that it's forever known as Crapentras in our house.[1]
>
And then there's that piece in the sainted Pinter's Homecoming, about
those who waste away within the Bolsover Street one-way system:
<https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=HYRKAQAAQBAJ&pg=PT291&lpg=PT291>
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Sid Nuncius

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On 30/10/2015 10:49, Iain Archer wrote:
> Sid Nuncius <matron....@tesco.net> wrote on Fri, 30 Oct 2015 at
> 06:58:42:
>> On 29/10/2015 21:59, Vicky wrote:
>>> On Thu, 29 Oct 2015 17:36:03 -0200, Nick Odell
>>>> On 29/10/2015 04:47 p.m., Vicky wrote:
>>
>>>>> I heard a programme on R4 this afternoon about Brief Encounter and it
>>>>> reminded me I can't stand Trevor Howard and am so glad he only got
>>>>> paid £500 for it and Celia Johnson, who was a known star, got £12000.
>>>>> Details of him support my dislike. I'm glad shedecided to stay with
>>>>> her husband too and not comsumate the affair.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> <Wail!>
>>>> I was going to get around to watching that next week. Now you`ve
>>>> told me
>>>> the ending. Shouldn`t you have put "spoiler" in there somewhere?
>>>
>>>
>>> I'm really sorry, Nick. I thought it was ok with old movies.
>>
>> <possibly compounding the spoiler>
>
> It were a joke, wurr'nt it?

Well, I did wonder, but you never really know...

LFS

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:) Best offer I've had all week but Husband might have a view...

LFS

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That is *really* helpful, thank you, I'll definitely be planning a visit.

Your comparison with the Picasso museum is interesting, although when I
was there lots of the works were out on loan which was frustrating. I
really enjoy exhibitions which provide the sense of progression and
influence, the Picasso/Matisse did that in a very illuminating way some
years ago and the exhibition we saw at the Paul Klee museum in Bern in
the summer also provided some fascinating comparisons.

I didn't know about the Penrose influence either.

Steve Hague

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Oct 30, 2015, 11:22:23 AM10/30/15
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We know that the M25 was designed by a demon from hell. If Terry
Pratchett and Neil Gaiman hadn't informed us of it, it's easily deduced.
Steve

krw

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On 30/10/15 10:34, Chris J Dixon wrote; my response is lower down:
> Sid Nuncius wrote:
>
>> I can. I'm a fully paid-up Grumpy Old Git these days and my list of
>> dislikes, rational or irrational, seems to lengthen daily. Two more
>> outstanding candidates are Jonathan Bloody Dimbleby and Geri Halliwell[1].
>>
>> [1]I don't watch never Mind The Buzzcocks that often but made an effort
>> to see Cathy Burke host a few years ago. Because Greg Rutherford was a
>> guest they had a round called Name That Ginger. Cathy Burke looked at
>> one set of clues and said "It don't say this on the card, but she's
>> really fackin' annoyin'," and everyone chorused "Geri Halliwell" which
>> was the correct answer. Cruel, I admit, but
>> a) very funny
>> and
>> b) very true.
>
> AIAOU to have thought it was some sort of jape when I first read
> that she was about to become Mrs Horner?
>
> Chris
>
And is apparently very happy in that role!

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Nick Odell

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Yes, it were a joke.

Just me checking in from Buenos Aires to let you know I`m still on the
"not dead yet" list.

Nick

Sam Plusnet

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In article <d9gj0n...@mid.individual.net>, matron....@tesco.net
says...
>
> On 30/10/2015 02:49, Sam Plusnet wrote:
> > In article <n0u6j0$uk9$1...@dont-email.me>, johna...@yahoo.com says...
> >
> >>
> >> I heard it too, while driving back round the Sth Circular from the Escher
> >> Exhibition in Dulwich,
> >>
> >
> > I sometimes imagine my Satnav has been infected by Escher.
> >
> > But then I suspect the South Circular is similarly afflicted.
>
> When in Provence many years ago I was certain that the roads in
> Carpentras had been laid out by Escher. We ended up at the same boodly
> place *so* often that it's forever known as Crapentras in our house.[1]

Substitute "Cognac" in the above - I suspect it's engraved on my liver.

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Sam Plusnet

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Oct 30, 2015, 2:14:12 PM10/30/15
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In article <r2a63bh8pquls97tb...@4ax.com>,
ch...@cdixon.me.uk says...
>
> Vicky wrote:
>
> >I'm really sorry, Nick. I thought it was ok with old movies.
>
> I have a bad feeling about how things are going to work out for
> Titanic.
>
But all will be well at the Towering Inferno?


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Sam Plusnet

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In article <nsd63bpi0v9rqa1rd...@4ax.com>,
vicky...@gmail.com says...

> and now I'm not
> going to the gym anyway, while they do a refit.
>
>
Your gym is out of condition?


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Mudge

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On 2015-10-30 10:19:43 -0600, Nick Odell said:

> Just me checking in from Buenos Aires to let you know I`m still on the
> "not dead yet" list.

Stay well, m'dear Nick !

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Jane Vernon

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:D



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J. P. Gilliver (John)

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In message <MPG.309ce9d0f...@news.plus.net>, Sam Plusnet
<n...@home.com> writes:
>In article <+kYEJgF9...@soft255.demon.co.uk>,
>G6...@soft255.demon.co.uk says...
>>
>> I dislike news reports that use the same footage repeatedly, especially
>> if (as is usually the case) they don't tell the audience that the
>> footage is repeated.
>>
>>
>"Rolling News"
>
>Lovely isn't it?
>
No (-:
>
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Chris McMillan

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Oct 30, 2015, 5:52:44 PM10/30/15
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On Fri, 30 Oct 2015 16:19:43 -0000, Nick Odell <nick....@hotmail.com>
wrote:
Ah, why aren't you down in Patagonia keeping Pet Roc Trelawny company with
the Welsh orchestra and most of the Welsh musicians by the sound of it.
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On 29/10/2015 09:23, Vicky wrote:

>
> I think one of the R4 comedy programmes used to do a number regularly
> "Oi, Yentob!" I forget in what context. Maybe it is that. i had a
> vaguley less than positive feeling until I saw the programme but the
> bits he did were fine and I liked him in them.
>
Phil Cornwell, as Greg Dyke, in Dead Ringers?

ICBAM.

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Kate B

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Oct 30, 2015, 6:47:00 PM10/30/15
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The Pet Roc is actually in Budapest at the moment, I happen to know, so
unlikely.... but lovely to see you en passant, dear Nick. Are you also
passing by Santa Maria? Give them my love!

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Vicky

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Oct 30, 2015, 6:54:33 PM10/30/15
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The machines broke down quite often but I'm not sure exactly what
they're doing. They didn't let us know in advance, we think so nobody
could protest and suggest other things.

--

Vicky

steveski

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On Fri, 30 Oct 2015 14:19:43 -0200, Nick Odell wrote:

[snip]

> Just me checking in from Buenos Aires to let you know I`m still on the
> "not dead yet" list.

You mean you "ATEN'T DEAD"?

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steveski

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Or doing Michael (and don't chuck bloody spears at me!) Caine?

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Vicky

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Oct 31, 2015, 5:35:06 AM10/31/15
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I love the bit about the junior witchwho practices holding her breath
under water in a bath, with a sign saying NOT DROWNED, or words to
that effect, so as to one day be a witch finder. Agamama is really
annoying though.


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Btms

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Oct 31, 2015, 3:39:03 PM10/31/15
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Perhaps I just avoid watching any who might provoke. Lurve the story of
collective subjective negativity. Though cruel, I guess if you are a
performer then you have to manage this sort of stuff.

--
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Btms

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Oct 31, 2015, 3:39:03 PM10/31/15
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Yebut i have seen P&P endlessly in many forms; never seen BE but I know the
outcome. There is a clue in the title shurely!

Nick Odell

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On 30/10/15 18:19, Mudge wrote:
> On 2015-10-30 10:19:43 -0600, Nick Odell said:
>
>> Just me checking in from Buenos Aires to let you know I`m still on the
>> "not dead yet" list.
>
> Stay well, m'dear Nick !
>
You too, dear friend.

Nick
(back in Dear Old Blighty)

Nick Odell

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Because I've been keeping other company at an utterly wonderful War
Requiem by Britten at the newly-opened Centro Cultural Kirchner in
Buenos Aires. Will that do?



Nick

Nick Odell

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Sadly no. This is one of my three-times-a-year jaunts only to Buenos
Aires. When I retire properly (which I have not yet done and don't quite
see happening just yet) it would be easier to wander over there again.

Nick

Btms

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Respect 😋

Chris McMillan

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On Fri, 30 Oct 2015 22:46:55 -0000, Kate B <elv...@nospam.demon.co.uk>
wrote:
Not what we heard Ian Skelly say in apologising for the lack of Pet Roc on
the show last week, and I heard something from him from Patagonia where he
was talking about Catrin Finch's playing

So this, Tuesday's evening concert, must have taken place already

BBC NOW - Mathias, Ginastera, Britten, Watkins, Dvorak
Radio 3 in Concert

From Teatro Colon, Buenos Aires

Presented by Petroc Trelawny

Mathias: A Dance overture (Dawns agored)
Ginastera: Harp Concerto
Britten: 4 Sea Interludes

8.25 Interval Music

Watkins: 3 Welsh Songs
Dvorak: Symphony No. 7 in D minor

Catrin Finch (harp)
BBC National Orchestra of Wales
Grant Llewellyn (conductor).

Sincerely Chris

Chris McMillan

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Giggle. I saw your other comment first.

Sincerely Chris
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