Too old to be sex slaves.

[harry]

http://www.breitbart.com/national-security/2015/11/16/mass-grave-elderly-women-found-sinjar-following-liberation-isis/

[John]

"harry" wrote:

> http://www.breitbart.com/national-security/2015/11/16/mass-grave-elderly-women-found-sinjar-following-liberation-isis/

Why do we insist on calling these animals "Islamic State" or "so-called
Islamic State"? They only deserve to be call "Islamic Terrorists" but I
also wonder whether some are even worthy of association with Islam?

One of the scum involved in the Paris bombings is alleged to have run a bar,
whilst some were alledged to be high on heroin at the time they carried out
their barbaric acts. Surely both alcohol and drugs are contrary to the
teachings of Islam? Very strange.

John.

[Jon Ribbens]

On 2015-11-19, John <nos...@nospam.invalid> wrote:
> Why do we insist on calling these animals "Islamic State" or "so-called
> Islamic State"? They only deserve to be call "Islamic Terrorists" but I
> also wonder whether some are even worthy of association with Islam?

Apparently 'Daesh' is a good name for them, it is a literal
representation (in Arabic) of their actual name but is also
an insulting play on words, and allegedly they hate it.

[Richard McKenzie]

A few weeks ago the editor (or assistant) of the Sun
on Sky while reviewing the papers made reference to this

https://muslimstatistics.wordpress.com/2014/08/24/92-of-saudis-believes-that-isis-conforms-to-the-values-of-islam-and-islamic-law-survey/

"92% of Saudi's believe that 'Islamic State conforms
to the values of Islam and Islamic law' - Poll"

Given that they were killing civilians in Syrians
back then I doubt that because they have since
exported their killing to France that the 92% conformity
rating has changed much.

[Richard McKenzie]

I don't know if Cameron has used that term but
do you think its appropriate for politicians to
do so?

After all if it increases the risk of an attack
on an individual citizen(s) I think it is negligence.
Its all very well for Francoise Hollande he has
bodyguards and sniffer dogs that can ensure his safety.
The public do not have that luxury.

The use of 'Daesh' is politically akin to wearing

https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=infidel+t+shirt&biw=1280&bih=929&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&sqi=2&ved=0CAcQ_AUoAmoVChMI9enV09GcyQIVwkAUCh23JAze

[Jon Ribbens]

On 2015-11-19, Richard McKenzie <richardm...@googlemail.com> wrote:
> On Thursday, 19 November 2015 13:23:21 UTC, Jon Ribbens wrote:
>> Apparently 'Daesh' is a good name for them, it is a literal
>> representation (in Arabic) of their actual name but is also
>> an insulting play on words, and allegedly they hate it.
>
> I don't know if Cameron has used that term but
> do you think its appropriate for politicians to
> do so?

Yes, of course. Why wouldn't it be?
Many MPs, including David Cameron, agree:

http://www.theguardian.com/media/2015/jun/29/bbc-to-review-use-of-islamic-state-after-mps-protest-against-term

> After all if it increases the risk of an attack
> on an individual citizen(s) I think it is negligence.

I don't think that Daesh are going to specifically target people
outside its territory just because of their use of the term.

> Its all very well for Francoise Hollande he has
> bodyguards and sniffer dogs that can ensure his safety.
> The public do not have that luxury.

If you are scared and want to appease them then I'm sure you can
choose appropriate words to use yourself. Perhaps if you lavish
enough praise on them, they'll consider you a friend.

> The use of 'Daesh' is politically akin to wearing
>
> https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=infidel+t+shirt&biw=1280&bih=929&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&sqi=2&ved=0CAcQ_AUoAmoVChMI9enV09GcyQIVwkAUCh23JAze

No, it's nothing like that whatsoever. I suppose if racist morons want
to publicly identify themselves by wearing those t-shirts then that
could be considered a benefit so that normal people can cross the road
to avoid them.

[burfordTjustice]

On Thu, 19 Nov 2015 00:33:53 -0800 (PST)
harry <harry...@btinternet.com> wrote:

> http://www.breitbart.com/national-security/2015/11/16/mass-grave-elderly-women-found-sinjar-following-liberation-isis/

This should surprise no one.

[Richard McKenzie]

On Thursday, 19 November 2015 14:21:32 UTC, Jon Ribbens wrote:
> On 2015-11-19, Richard McKenzie <richardm...@googlemail.com> wrote:
> > On Thursday, 19 November 2015 13:23:21 UTC, Jon Ribbens wrote:
> >> Apparently 'Daesh' is a good name for them, it is a literal
> >> representation (in Arabic) of their actual name but is also
> >> an insulting play on words, and allegedly they hate it.
> >
> > I don't know if Cameron has used that term but
> > do you think its appropriate for politicians to
> > do so?
>
> Yes, of course. Why wouldn't it be?
> Many MPs, including David Cameron, agree:
>
> http://www.theguardian.com/media/2015/jun/29/bbc-to-review-use-of-islamic-state-after-mps-protest-against-term
>
> > After all if it increases the risk of an attack
> > on an individual citizen(s) I think it is negligence.
>
> I don't think that Daesh are going to specifically target people
> outside its territory just because of their use of the term.

I do not mean that those in society may be targeted from another country.
I mean if a country's leader using such a term it may promote such attack
on those people in society.

>
> > Its all very well for Francoise Hollande he has
> > bodyguards and sniffer dogs that can ensure his safety.
> > The public do not have that luxury.
>
> If you are scared and want to appease them then I'm sure you can
> choose appropriate words to use yourself. Perhaps if you lavish
> enough praise on them, they'll consider you a friend.

I think it is 'brave' of leaders who have sufficient protection
to use such language while its their own people who pay the price.

Would a similar word to describe the IRA would be acceptable,
'Taig' for instance.

[Big Les Wade]

burfordTjustice <burford...@hub.hob> posted

It doesn't surprise me that people attribute atrocities to their enemies
even when they know it is a pack of lies. The British government
publicly attributed the Katyn Forest massacre to Nazi Germany for
thirty-odd years after they knew it was the Russians who did it.

--
Les

[Jon Ribbens]

On 2015-11-19, Richard McKenzie <richardm...@googlemail.com> wrote:
> On Thursday, 19 November 2015 14:21:32 UTC, Jon Ribbens wrote:
>> I don't think that Daesh are going to specifically target people
>> outside its territory just because of their use of the term.
>
> I do not mean that those in society may be targeted from another country.
> I mean if a country's leader using such a term it may promote such attack
> on those people in society.

Ah, I see. I think firing missiles at them and dropping bombs on them
is likely to piss them off considerably more than calling them names.

> Would a similar word to describe the IRA would be acceptable,
> 'Taig' for instance.

I don't know, but if they had called themselves "The Legitimate
Government of Ireland" or somesuch then I assume our news and
politicians would not have referred to them as such.

[burfordTjustice]

So you are on the side of the islam jihadists then...

[harry]

Oh, so you know who killed these women then?
How did you come by this information?

[Big Les Wade]

harry <harry...@btinternet.com> posted

>On Thursday, 19 November 2015 19:08:07 UTC, Big Les Wade wrote:
>> burfordTjustice <burford...@hub.hob> posted
>> >On Thu, 19 Nov 2015 00:33:53 -0800 (PST)
>> >harry <harry...@btinternet.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >>
>> >>http://www.breitbart.com/national-security/2015/11/16/mass-grave-elderl
>> >>y-women-found-sinjar-following-liberation-isis/
>> >
>> >This should surprise no one.
>>
>> It doesn't surprise me that people attribute atrocities to their enemies
>> even when they know it is a pack of lies. The British government
>> publicly attributed the Katyn Forest massacre to Nazi Germany for
>> thirty-odd years after they knew it was the Russians who did it.
>

>Oh, so you know who killed these women then?

No. I don't even know whether any women have been killed. Nor do you.
The difference is, I know it.

>How did you come by this information?

--
Les

[Fredxxx]

On 19/11/2015 13:17, John wrote:
> "harry" wrote:
>
>> http://www.breitbart.com/national-security/2015/11/16/mass-grave-elderly-women-found-sinjar-following-liberation-isis/
>
> Why do we insist on calling these animals "Islamic State" or "so-called
> Islamic State"? They only deserve to be call "Islamic Terrorists" but I
> also wonder whether some are even worthy of association with Islam?

A terrorist is also a freedom fighter.

We called Nelson Mandela a terrorist, and the likes of Menachem Begin.
If you call members of Islamic State terrorists, I might feel obliged to
afford them the same respect.

[harry]

Well if you're interested check it out from another source.

Well damn.
Here it is in the Telegraph as well.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/women/womens-politics/12000148/Islamic-State-sex-slaves-Sinjar-mass-graves-show-what-were-fighting.html

Like all shit-fer-brains socialists you don't want to hear the truth about your muslim friends.

[Big Les Wade]

harry <harry...@btinternet.com> posted

>On Friday, 20 November 2015 10:29:09 UTC, Big Les Wade wrote:
>> harry <harry...@btinternet.com> posted
>> >On Thursday, 19 November 2015 19:08:07 UTC, Big Les Wade wrote:
>> >> burfordTjustice <burford...@hub.hob> posted
>> >> >On Thu, 19 Nov 2015 00:33:53 -0800 (PST)
>> >> >harry <harry...@btinternet.com> wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >>
>> >> >>http://www.breitbart.com/national-security/2015/11/16/mass-grave-elderl
>> >> >>y-women-found-sinjar-following-liberation-isis/
>> >> >
>> >> >This should surprise no one.
>> >>
>> >> It doesn't surprise me that people attribute atrocities to their enemies
>> >> even when they know it is a pack of lies. The British government
>> >> publicly attributed the Katyn Forest massacre to Nazi Germany for
>> >> thirty-odd years after they knew it was the Russians who did it.
>> >
>> >Oh, so you know who killed these women then?
>>
>> No. I don't even know whether any women have been killed. Nor do you.
>> The difference is, I know it.
>>

>Well if you're interested check it out from another source.
>
>Well damn.
>Here it is in the Telegraph as well.
>http://www.telegraph.co.uk/women/womens-politics/12000148/Islamic-State-
>sex-slaves-Sinjar-mass-graves-show-what-were-fighting.html

That's an opinion piece, not a source. It relies on exactly the same
assertions as the Breitbart piece.

You remind me of the man who read a news story in the Times that he
found hard to believe. So he went out and bought another copy, which
reassured him because it carried exactly the same story.

>Like all shit-fer-brains socialists you don't want to hear the truth
>about your muslim friends.

I don't judge "the truth" on the basis of whom I hate. But if you think
that is a good way of making rational decisions, I can't stop you. And
you can certainly comfort yourself that you're in the majority.

--
Les

[harry]

So tell us all where you get your superior information from?
Or is it that if it doesn't fit in with your lefty looney views, it hasn't happened?

I 'spect you don't believe the Rotherham rapes happened either?

You live in a comfortable little world entirely of your own make believe with your head right up your arse?

Oh look, it's even in the Guardian.
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/nov/15/iraq-yazidi-mass-grave-sinjar-kocho

[Ophelia]

"harry" <harry...@btinternet.com> wrote in message
news:4b3f42c5-95cd-4e35...@googlegroups.com...

I wonder if he will start arguing with that now?



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[harry]

> >> >Like all shit-fer-brains socialists you don't want to hear the truth
> >> >about your muslim friends.
> >>
> >> I don't judge "the truth" on the basis of whom I hate. But if you think
> >> that is a good way of making rational decisions, I can't stop you. And
> >> you can certainly comfort yourself that you're in the majority.
> >>
> >> --
> >> Les
> >
> > So tell us all where you get your superior information from?
> > Or is it that if it doesn't fit in with your lefty looney views, it hasn't
> > happened?
> >
> > I 'spect you don't believe the Rotherham rapes happened either?
> >
> > You live in a comfortable little world entirely of your own make believe
> > with your head right up your arse?
> >
> > Oh look, it's even in the Guardian.
> > http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/nov/15/iraq-yazidi-mass-grave-sinjar-kocho
>
> I wonder if he will start arguing with that now?

Nah.
We won't hear another thing.
The Guardian is his bible.
Written by lefty looneys for lefty looneys.

All socialists live in Lala Land.
It's a sort of virtual reality place where everything conforms to the barking mad socialist ideals.

They don't like it when real reality come knocking on their door and go into denial as we've just seen above.
I 'spect he still believes in "mulitcultural enrichment."

[Ophelia]

"harry" <harry...@btinternet.com> wrote in message

news:8687dc12-833d-48bd...@googlegroups.com...

Oh dear ... :((


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[Big Les Wade]

harry <harry...@btinternet.com> posted
>On Friday, 20 November 2015 18:43:18 UTC, Big Les Wade wrote:
>> >>
>> >> No. I don't even know whether any women have been killed. Nor do you.
>> >> The difference is, I know it.
>> >>
>> >Well if you're interested check it out from another source.
>> >
>> >Well damn.
>> >Here it is in the Telegraph as well.
>> >http://www.telegraph.co.uk/women/womens-politics/12000148/Islamic-State-
>> >sex-slaves-Sinjar-mass-graves-show-what-were-fighting.html
>>
>> That's an opinion piece, not a source. It relies on exactly the same
>> assertions as the Breitbart piece.
>>
>> You remind me of the man who read a news story in the Times that he
>> found hard to believe. So he went out and bought another copy, which
>> reassured him because it carried exactly the same story.
>>
>> >Like all shit-fer-brains socialists you don't want to hear the truth
>> >about your muslim friends.
>>
>> I don't judge "the truth" on the basis of whom I hate. But if you think
>> that is a good way of making rational decisions, I can't stop you. And
>> you can certainly comfort yourself that you're in the majority.
>>
>

>So tell us all where you get your superior information from?

My 'superior information', such as it is, comes from studies showing
that people engaged in one side of a military conflict often invent or
exaggerated atrocity stories about the other side.

This doesn't mean that all atrocity stories are false but it does mean
you have to treat them with appropriate scepticism. In particular always
apply the cui bono test.

>Or is it that if it doesn't fit in with your lefty looney views, it
>hasn't happened?
>
>I 'spect you don't believe the Rotherham rapes happened either?
>
>You live in a comfortable little world entirely of your own make
>believe with your head right up your arse?
>
>Oh look, it's even in the Guardian.
>http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/nov/15/iraq-yazidi-mass-grave-sinj
>ar-kocho

Have you ever wondered about the channels by which such stories found
their way into the Western press? If you actually read them, you'll find
that the Breitbart story is cribbed from the Guardian story (it even
cites it, which they don't always do) and the Guardian story is nothing
to do with the Guardian, it's a syndicated story from the Reuters news
agency to which the Guardian foreign desk subscribes for its Middle
Eastern coverage.

The Telegraph article is just a comment piece, as I said. But the
Telegraph's news report on this (by the fairly well-known Middle Eastern
freelance Sofia Barbarani) at
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/iraq/11997164/Mass-g
raves-of-Yazidi-women-found-near-Sinjar.html

contains several tell-tale phrases that overlap *verbatim* with the
Reuters copy. That can't happen by accident; either she cribbed her
report from Reuters, or Reuters cribbed it from her, or (also possible)
she actually wrote the story for Reuters.

So your three supposedly independent sources have collapsed into one.
Exactly like the guy who buys two copies of the Times to double-check
that the news stories are true.

Every single time the original report is copied into a new medium, any
inaccuracies, lies or exaggeration it contained are copied with it. So
none of these copies corroborate the original report even if it is
copied a billion times. If the original story was tainted, then so are
*all* the copies, in whatever medium.

--
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[Ophelia]

"Big Les Wade" <L...@nowhere.com> wrote in message
news:1mtqbwCY...@invalid.com...

So, how do YOU know the absolute truth?

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[harry]

So are you still denying that the mass murder incident occurred?
Or are you denying that your evil muslim friends would do such a thing?

Do you still believe Jeremy Corbyn exists?
Do you believe the Nazis gassed 4m Jews?

[harry]

I 'spect he got all he needs to know from the Daily Worker years ago.
Anything that has happened since, well, hasn't.

[Ophelia]

"harry" <harry...@btinternet.com> wrote in message

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:((

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[Fredxxx]

On 22/11/2015 08:38, harry wrote:

<snip>

> Do you still believe Jeremy Corbyn exists?
> Do you believe the Nazis gassed 4m Jews?

You sound like a nutter in denial.

[harry]

Well, I think the Nazis gassed Jews, I had a relative saw the death camps as they were overrun.

Les is the one in denial.

[Fredxxx]

He saw 4m Jews gassed? Last time I heard stories of the numbers in each
gas chamber, gassing and their removal the numbers of gassed Jews were
far less than 1m. Most souls perished from cold and starvation.

> Les is the one in denial.

Spoken like a true denier.

[Big Les Wade]

harry <harry...@btinternet.com> posted

Which ones?


--
Les

[Judith]

On Sun, 22 Nov 2015 11:41:59 -0000, "Ophelia" <OphEl...@gmail.com> wrote:



<773 words snipped - as the silly bitch Ophelia does not know how to do so>


>:((


Crikey - not even a LOL



--
Ophelia is renowned for making incorrect claims on usenet.
When asked to substantiate them - she can’t - but will not admit that she was just plain wrong in the first place.
She also has a "life subscription" to the Daily Mail and supports UKIP.
She does not have the ability to think for herself.

[harry]

Don't change the subject.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bergen-Belsen_concentration_camp

[Big Les Wade]

Er - *you* raised the subject of gassing and Nazi death camps in a
thread about current events in the Middle East - and yet it's *me* who
is changing the subject?

Anyway, I repeat. Which camps did your relative see overrun? Was it
bergen-belsen as you imply above? If so, there are further useful
lessons for you to learn here.

--
Les

[harry]

Er you are the one that denies the killed for being too old tobe sex slaves story.
Do you still deny it happened?