Toilet cistern overflow
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The old one has an overflow pipe out the wall but this new one doesn't
have any overflow outlet as far as I can see yet the useless
instruction manual mentions about 4. (I think it's an manual for lots
of different toilets).
Do newer toilets still need an overflow pipe?
FYI, It's one of those Toilet-to-go jobbies.
John
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> Just got a new cheap toilet from B&Q to replace and 30yr old one.
>
> The old one has an overflow pipe out the wall but this new one doesn't
> have any overflow outlet as far as I can see yet the useless
> instruction manual mentions about 4. (I think it's an manual for lots
> of different toilets).
>
> Do newer toilets still need an overflow pipe?
Most new toilets (if not all) have an internal overflow now. This means it
overflows via the flushing syphon into the pan bowl and not out through the
wall.
> FYI, It's one of those Toilet-to-go jobbies.
Aren't they all ;-)
HTH
John
FredCarnot
Modern cisterns overflow through the syphon.
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Roger Mills
John <jo...@idontlikespam.co.uk> wrote:
>
> Most new toilets (if not all) have an internal overflow now. This
> means it overflows via the flushing syphon into the pan bowl and not
> out through the wall.
>
Which is just the job *NOT* if you have a water meter - 'cos it'll be
overflowing merrily - and wasting lots of expensive water - without any
external symptoms to alert you.
[You can check whether it *does* have an internal overflow by holding the
float valve open and seeing what happens.]
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> In an earlier contribution to this discussion,
> John <jo...@idontlikespam.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> Most new toilets (if not all) have an internal overflow now. This
>> means it overflows via the flushing syphon into the pan bowl and not
>> out through the wall.
>>
> Which is just the job *NOT* if you have a water meter - 'cos it'll be
> overflowing merrily - and wasting lots of expensive water - without any
> external symptoms to alert you.
>
> [You can check whether it *does* have an internal overflow by holding the
> float valve open and seeing what happens.]
Not sure I agree. Over the years I have seen many ignored external
tell-tales/overflows - some for months if not years. Perhaps an internal
one could be more obvious in some circumstances? (I am thinking of a
real cistern at a workplace where the overflowing water would have
splattered quite quietly onto foliage. Doubt anyone would ever notice
unless they had another reason to go round the back of the building.)
Anyway, truth is it depends more on whether anyone who cares notices...
I would notice and care if our cisterns overflowed internally or
externally!
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John
"Roger Mills" <watt....@googlemail.com> wrote in message
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> In an earlier contribution to this discussion,
> John <jo...@idontlikespam.co.uk> wrote:
>
>>
>> Most new toilets (if not all) have an internal overflow now. This
>> means it overflows via the flushing syphon into the pan bowl and not
>> out through the wall.
>>
> Which is just the job *NOT* if you have a water meter - 'cos it'll be
> overflowing merrily - and wasting lots of expensive water - without any
> external symptoms to alert you.
If the toilet was overflowing (into the bowl) the user would see it every
time they went to the toilet. They could of course choose to ignore it but
they could also ignore an external overflow aswell!
Cheers
John
The Medway Handyman
> In an earlier contribution to this discussion,
> John <jo...@idontlikespam.co.uk> wrote:
>
>>
>> Most new toilets (if not all) have an internal overflow now. This
>> means it overflows via the flushing syphon into the pan bowl and not
>> out through the wall.
>>
> Which is just the job *NOT* if you have a water meter - 'cos it'll be
> overflowing merrily - and wasting lots of expensive water - without
> any external symptoms to alert you.
I get to sort out lots of these, especially in en suites as the noise drives
people mad. I reckon they are easier for people to spot than externals.
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01634 717930
07850 597257
John
"The Medway Handyman" <davi...@nospamblueyonder.co.uk> wrote in message
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The trouble is thought that lots of people ignore things like overflows,
dripping taps, radiators that are cold at the top, sticking doors, soft car
tyres, brake light not working, etc.
Conversely, I have seen several houses with elaborate arrangements to pipe
the overflow into a rainwater hopper. One has hose - another has plastic
push fit pipes. More costly than a ball valve washer.
Roger Mills
> Roger Mills wrote:
>> In an earlier contribution to this discussion,
>> John <jo...@idontlikespam.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Most new toilets (if not all) have an internal overflow now. This
>>> means it overflows via the flushing syphon into the pan bowl and not
>>> out through the wall.
>>>
>> Which is just the job *NOT* if you have a water meter - 'cos it'll be
>> overflowing merrily - and wasting lots of expensive water - without
>> any external symptoms to alert you.
>
> I get to sort out lots of these, especially in en suites as the noise
> drives people mad. I reckon they are easier for people to spot than
> externals.
Maybe it depends on the *rate* of leakage - I suspect many people wouldn't
notice a steady trickle into the bowl.
The Medway Handyman
> In an earlier contribution to this discussion,
> The Medway Handyman <davi...@nospamblueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> Roger Mills wrote:
>>> In an earlier contribution to this discussion,
>>> John <jo...@idontlikespam.co.uk> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Most new toilets (if not all) have an internal overflow now. This
>>>> means it overflows via the flushing syphon into the pan bowl and
>>>> not out through the wall.
>>>>
>>> Which is just the job *NOT* if you have a water meter - 'cos it'll
>>> be overflowing merrily - and wasting lots of expensive water -
>>> without any external symptoms to alert you.
>>
>> I get to sort out lots of these, especially in en suites as the noise
>> drives people mad. I reckon they are easier for people to spot than
>> externals.
>
> Maybe it depends on the *rate* of leakage - I suspect many people
> wouldn't notice a steady trickle into the bowl.
My experience has been that people say things like 'the toilet keeps
filling' or 'its making a noise' - they don't really know what an overflow
is.
Peter Johnson
<watt....@googlemail.com> wrote:
>Maybe it depends on the *rate* of leakage - I suspect many people wouldn't
>notice a steady trickle into the bowl.
No, in my experience you don't, but when the flow is sufficient then
the toilet starts flushing on its own - that's when you notice it. It
didn't have any noticeable effect on my water meter on the two
occasions that I've had this experience.