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Doctor Drivel

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Apr 26, 2010, 5:15:29 PM4/26/10
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All Labour have to do is tell the facts about their record, which is superb.
The Hurray Henry Tories shadow cabinet are all from the same few schools.

The best we have had is Blair/Brown. They took the country from a basket
case under the Tories into one of the world's strongest economies. The pound
was the world strongest currency for about 10 years. Constitutionally they
got rid of hereditary Lords. The average person has little idea of what this
means - it paves the way to Land Value Taxation and a more truer democracy.
Also the zero unemployment with over a million migrant workers to fuel the
booming economy.

Under Blair/Brown since 1997. Magnificent Facts.......

* The UK had the longest sustained economic growth in history.
* The UK economy has been the world's most robust.
* The pound has been almighty strong.
* 9/11 caused a recession in most of the western world. It never happened
here.
* Massive investment in schools and unis. More schools were built under them
than at any other time.
* Massive investment in health. More hospitals were built under them than at
any other time.
* Provincial cities have boomed with their skylines changing beyond belief.
* Some superb anti-social laws have been implemented. The parents are now
made responsible for their children's conduct.
* The country even absorbed over 1 million eastern Europeans and still not
have an unemployment problem.
* Hereditary peers abolished - the biggest constitutional change since the
1600s, removing a self-interst group of large land owners, paving the way
for Land Value Taxation.
* Provincial cities went on massive building programmes - look at the
skyscrapers in Liverpool, Manchester, Birmingham.
* Rail infrastructure is being greatly improved - electrification projects.
Tram schemes in many cities. High Speed Rail Networks are planned.
* etc.

The Tories have no intention of changing the current privileged ruling class
Eton/Harrow/Oxbridge system. They are just shuffling deckchairs on the
Titanic.

Look at the appalling Tory record:

* Cardboard cities - and they didn't care, blaming the victims
* Mass unemployment - Horrendous levels.
* Devastation of industry - One fifth of industry went under Thatcher and
Major.
* Devastation of economic growth creating infrastructure - It was
privatized. E.g., Thatcher said the railways and mines were losing money.
They were not as they were a part of the wealth creating process. She was so
dumb her and her party could not see that.
* Private Profit and Socialised Debts - Thatcher privatized the rail tracks
creating Railtrack and of course it went bust having to be replaced by a
Network Rail and non-profit organisation setup by Tony Blair. Small
investors were ripped off and taxpayer picking up the bill yet again.
privatized profits and socialized debts when they have creamed off and ran.
* North Sea Oil Wasted - A total wasting of the greatest legacy left to us -
North Sea Oil. The revenue from the oil was not invested into the country,
in education, training and industry, just used for dole money in failed
economic theories.
* Failed Economic Theories -Implementing the silly Thatcher neo-capitalism
that was bound to fail and did with the Credit Crunch.
* etc
* etc
* etc

Within months of Blair coming to power the cardboard cities were gone. Only
when the world-wide Credit Crunch came in from abroad did it stall. Brown
put together the world-wide rescue plan at the G20 meeting in London.

In these difficult economic times we need hard nosed experience to steer us
out with Brown having that. We do not need a bunch of Hurray Henry's all
from a few schools - like they have in banana republics.

Steve Firth

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Apr 26, 2010, 5:32:27 PM4/26/10
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Doctor Drivel <kill...@invalid.invalid> wrote:

> All

Fuck off, you are a plantpot.

Dave Starling

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Apr 26, 2010, 5:59:37 PM4/26/10
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On Apr 26, 10:32 pm, %ste...@malloc.co.uk (Steve Firth) wrote:
> Doctor Drivel <killef...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
> > All
>
> you are a plantpot.
Now we know who Dr Drivel is! - Its Prescott. Such a great diatribe
yet conveniently failing to mention in this DIY group of the joys of
Part P, hips and other red tape controls that have been foisted upon
us by this nanny state. Isn't (the other big party who I won't
mention) supposed to be scrapping hips within weeks if they win?

Dave

Doctor Drivel

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I like HIPs. What don't you understand about the post.

Doctor Drivel

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> Doctor Drivel <kill...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>
>> All
>
> Fuck off,

This pervo needs tagging. Not just a ASBO, full tagging.

Grimly Curmudgeon

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Apr 26, 2010, 7:01:37 PM4/26/10
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We were somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the
drugs began to take hold. I remember "Doctor Drivel"
<kill...@invalid.invalid> saying something like:

>The best we have had is Blair/Brown. They took the country from a basket
>case under the Tories into one of the world's strongest economies. The pound
>was the world strongest currency for about 10 years.

Built on sand, you idiot.

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Owain

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Apr 26, 2010, 8:09:41 PM4/26/10
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On 26 Apr, 22:15, "Doctor Drivel" wrote:
> Tram schemes in many cities.

Like Edinburgh?

Owain


John Rumm

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Apr 26, 2010, 9:24:05 PM4/26/10
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Doctor Drivel wrote:

> All Labour have to do is tell the facts about their record,

Yup, that should finish them off nicely.

> which is
> superb.

For finishing them off, yup.

> The Hurray Henry Tories shadow cabinet are all from the same few
> schools.

Good, be nice to have some government that actually understands what
proper education is all about, instead of the barrel scrapings we have
endured for the last decade.

> The best we have had is Blair/Brown. They took the country from a basket
> case under the Tories into one of the world's strongest economies. The

You mean inherited the golden scenario and cocked it up yet again?

> pound was the world strongest currency for about 10 years.

yeh right...

> Constitutionally they got rid of hereditary Lords. The average person

or not, half arsed as usual.

> has little idea of what this means - it paves the way to Land Value

It means a reduction in the quality of scrutiny of legislation. (or at
least that tiny percentage that is allowed through either house these
days - the vast majority of it being rubber stamped into existence by SI).

> Taxation and a more truer democracy. Also the zero unemployment with
> over a million migrant workers to fuel the booming economy.

You make even less economic sense than the BNP.

> Under Blair/Brown since 1997. Magnificent Facts.......
>
> * The UK had the longest sustained economic growth in history.

Created by the previous Tory administration, finally shagged by labour.

> * The UK economy has been the world's most robust.

Slipped from one of top places to do business in the world to something
like the 30th.

> * The pound has been almighty strong.

Fallen against most other currencies.

> * 9/11 caused a recession in most of the western world. It never
> happened here.

Where have you been the last few years?

> * Massive investment in schools and unis. More schools were built under
> them than at any other time.

Devaluation of university qualifications with the creation of loads of
soft non academic degrees to enable all those ill suited candidates to
participate.

Elitism is good - be one of the best, if you can't hack it, get out of
the way of those who can.

> * Massive investment in health. More hospitals were built under them
> than at any other time.

and we have still got a third world health system...

> * Provincial cities have boomed with their skylines changing beyond belief.

The luftwaffe managed that, hardly a compliment.

> * Some superb anti-social laws have been implemented. The parents are

Much about this government is anti-social. From the erosion of privacy
and civil rights, and the dawning of a surveillance database state to
the incessant intrusion into the minutia of our daily lives.

> now made responsible for their children's conduct.

Hardly.

> * The country even absorbed over 1 million eastern Europeans and still
> not have an unemployment problem.

Unless you include the unemployment problem.

> * Hereditary peers abolished - the biggest constitutional change since
> the 1600s, removing a self-interst group of large land owners, paving
> the way for Land Value Taxation.

You seem to be repeating yourself.

> * Provincial cities went on massive building programmes - look at the
> skyscrapers in Liverpool, Manchester, Birmingham.

Someone reboot him - he seems to be stuck in a loop.

> Within months of Blair coming to power the cardboard cities were gone.
> Only when the world-wide Credit Crunch came in from abroad did it stall.
> Brown put together the world-wide rescue plan at the G20 meeting in London.

Bwahahahah... Brown would have trouble putting together a sentence.

> In these difficult economic times we need

to vote these muppets out and get someone competent.


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John.

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Tony Bryer

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Apr 26, 2010, 10:56:22 PM4/26/10
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On Mon, 26 Apr 2010 22:15:29 +0100 Doctor Drivel wrote :
> The pound
> was the world strongest currency for about 10 years.

Pound to Australian dollar > 3.00 c.2001 now 1.66

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Andy Cap

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Apr 27, 2010, 1:10:50 AM4/27/10
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On Tue, 27 Apr 2010 00:25:16 +0100, Tim Streater <timst...@waitrose.com>
wrote:

>Inflation has been around 2 or 3% for some years before Blair took over.
>And the first thing they did was a raid on Pensions, then Brown sold a
>lot of our gold at rock bottom prices, etc etc.

The pensions raid was a utter disaster and he was warned about the dire
consequences for both individual's pensions and investment. Nearly all final
schemes have since closed, finsihing off what was the finest scheme in the world
and transferred a huge future liability to the State. Oh and all this was done
in secret. The man is an incompetent and dillusional fool. That said, it's
difficult to find anyone you can have more confidence in. UK politics is in a
dire state.

Andy C

Donwill

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Apr 27, 2010, 2:58:27 AM4/27/10
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On 26/04/2010 22:15, Doctor Drivel wrote:
> All Labour have to do is tell the facts about their record. <snipped>
> The rest is DRIVEL.
Congratulations, first in the killfile in uk.d-i-y.
Don

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Roberts

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"Tim Watts" <t...@dionic.net> wrote in message
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> Doctor Drivel <kill...@invalid.invalid>
> wibbled on Monday 26 April 2010 22:15

>
>> All Labour have to do is tell the facts about their record, which is
>> superb. The Hurray Henry Tories shadow cabinet are all from the same few
>> schools.
>>
>> Hi Group
When it is announced that the rich have got richer and the poor got poorer,
it is time for this so-called Labour government to go. I think they should
be called New Tories not New Labour.
Having been in the Army under Eton educated officers I could not vote for a
gang of useless twits who were almost incapeable of looking after
themselves - the senior NCOs had to step in and run things
Robbie


Doctor Drivel

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Apr 27, 2010, 6:00:11 AM4/27/10
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"Grimly Curmudgeon" <grimly...@REMOVEgmail.com> wrote in message
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Another amateur economist. You can't bluff a strong economy for 12 years.

LOOK AT FACTS, not 1/4 baked opinions.

Doctor Drivel

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"Owain" <spuorg...@gowanhill.com> wrote in message
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> On 26 Apr, 22:15, "Doctor Drivel" wrote:
>> Tram schemes in many cities.
>
> Like Edinburgh?

In the waiting. Manchester was extended, Notts, Sheffield. Liverpool would
have had one only they spent £80 million before any work was done so HM gvmt
scrapped it, because of waste.

Massive electrification projects. Liverpool-Manchester, Trans-Pennine, City
Line of MerseyRail, GWR London-Bristol/Wales, Crossrail (18 miles of
tunnel), etc, etc.

Doctor Drivel

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"John Rumm" <see.my.s...@nowhere.null> wrote in message
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> Doctor Drivel wrote:
>
>> All Labour have to do is tell the facts about their record,
>
> Yup, that should finish them off nicely.

..as being the next government.

>> The Hurray Henry Tories shadow cabinet are all from the same few schools.
>
> Good, be nice to have some government that actually understands what
> proper education is all about, instead of the barrel scrapings we have
> endured for the last decade.

What a sycophant!!! The Essex Chav mentality. We have 99 universities and
this Pillock wants to be run a few old school chums. In the 21st Century as
well. He doffs his cap to them. They allow the likes of this to vote.
Amazing

>> The best we have had is Blair/Brown. They took the country from a basket
>> case under the Tories into one of the world's strongest economies. The
>
> You mean inherited the golden scenario and cocked it up yet again?

What a laugh. Reading the sycophants. The country was full of cardboard
cities. A BASKET CASE.

>> pound was the world strongest currency for about 10 years.
>
> yeh right...

Good. He is learning.

>> Constitutionally they got rid of hereditary Lords. The average person
>
> or not, half arsed as usual.

66 were thrown out.

>> has little idea of what this means - it paves the way to Land Value
>
> It means a reduction in the quality of scrutiny of legislation.

The House of (land)Lords was put there in 1688 so large landowners could
control the commons. A self interest group. Brown wants it half the size
and democratic. Do we need this chamber at all? No.

>> Taxation and a more truer democracy. Also the zero unemployment with over
>> a million migrant workers to fuel the booming economy.
>
> You make even less economic sense than the BNP.

FACT is FACT. ZERO unemployment and 1 million workers to fill the gap, they
were so good.

>> Under Blair/Brown since 1997. Magnificent Facts.......
>>
>> * The UK had the longest sustained economic growth in history.
>
> Created by the previous Tory administration, finally shagged by labour.

What an idiot!! What world has he been in?
Again.. "The UK had the longest sustained economic growth in history under
Labour" FACT!!!! You can't buff an economy for 11 years!!!

The Credit Crunch tidal wave came from abroad not Brown. FACT!!!
Labour inherited a basket case for the Tories - mass unemployment, riots,
etc. FACT!!!!

>> * The UK economy has been the world's most robust.
>
> Slipped from one of top places to do business in the world to something
> like the 30th.

What stupid comment and spurious fact. Still the worlds 4th largest
economy FACT!!!

>> * The pound has been almighty strong.
>
> Fallen against most other currencies.

After The Credit Crunch that came in from abroad.

>> * 9/11 caused a recession in most of the western world. It never happened
>> here.
>
> Where have you been the last few years?

Again, "9/11 caused a recession in most of the western world. It never
happened here".The UK economy was so strong. Only a world-wide Credit Crunch
took the whole world.

>> * Massive investment in schools and unis. More schools were built under
>> them than at any other time.
>
> Devaluation of university qualifications

Opinionated nonsense!!!! Standards are high.

> Elitism is good

Only sycophants think like that. It creates division and the best do not
through and it suppresses a meritocracy. FACT!!!

>> * Massive investment in health. More hospitals were built under them than
>> at any other time.
>
> and we have still got a third world health system...

Opinionated clap-trap. The USA are copying our system it is so good. FACT!!!

>> * Provincial cities have boomed with their skylines changing beyond
>> belief.
>
> The luftwaffe managed that, hardly a compliment.

Stupid comment by a sycophant.

>> * Some superb anti-social laws have been implemented. The parents are
>
> Much about this government is anti-social.

Stupid opinionated off-topic clap-trap

>> now made responsible for their children's conduct.
>
> Hardly.

They are!! FACT!! The parents are in court if the children offend. FACT!!!

>> * The country even absorbed over 1 million eastern Europeans and still
>> not have an unemployment problem.
>
> Unless you include the unemployment problem.

Again, "and still not have an unemployment problem". FACT!!!!

>> * Hereditary peers abolished - the biggest constitutional change since
>> the 1600s, removing a self-interst group of large land owners, paving the
>> way for Land Value Taxation.
>
> You seem to be repeating yourself.

Did you get it first time? Pay attention.

>> Within months of Blair coming to power the cardboard cities were gone.
>> Only when the world-wide Credit Crunch came in from abroad did it stall.
>> Brown put together the world-wide rescue plan at the G20 meeting in
>> London.
>
> Bwahahahah... Brown would have trouble putting together a sentence.

What I wrote was FACT!!! Yours was stupid opinionated clap-trap.

The most successful government in modern times is the Blair/Brown
government.
FACT!!! FACT!!! FACT!!!!

Doctor Drivel

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Another Sycophant!!!

Doctor Drivel

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"Tim Watts" <t...@dionic.net> wrote in message
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> Doctor Drivel <kill...@invalid.invalid>
> wibbled on Monday 26 April 2010 22:15
>
>> All Labour have to do is tell the facts about their record, which is
>> superb. The Hurray Henry Tories shadow cabinet are all from the same few
>> schools.
>>
>> The best we have had is Blair/Brown.

The best we have had is Blair/Brown. FACT!!! FACT!!!

What bunch of brainwashed sycophantic fools. Not one has the ability to put
together the facts from 1997 to the Credit Crunch and recognise that Brown
is pulling us out.

Doctor Drivel

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"Tony Bryer" <to...@delme.sda.co.uk> wrote in message
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> On Mon, 26 Apr 2010 22:15:29 +0100 Doctor Drivel wrote :
>> The pound
>> was the world strongest currency for about 10 years.
>
> Pound to Australian dollar > 3.00 c.2001 now 1.66

Please pay attention the FACTS I gave were from 1997 to the world-wide tidal
wave Credit Crunch, which took all. The country is recovering right now
under a world-wide rescue plan put together by Gordon Brown.

FACT!!!!!

Doctor Drivel

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"John Rumm" <see.my.s...@nowhere.null> wrote in message
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> Doctor Drivel wrote:
>
>> All Labour have to do is tell the facts about their record,

Again.... LOOK HARD AT THE FACTS..

Look at the appalling Tory record:

* Cardboard cities - and they didn't care, blaming the victims
* Mass unemployment - Horrendous levels.
* Devastation of industry - One fifth of industry went under Thatcher and
Major.
* Devastation of economic growth creating infrastructure - It was
privatized. E.g., Thatcher said the railways and mines were losing money.

They were not as they were a part of the wealth creating process -they
create economic growth. She was so dumb her and her party could not see

that.
* Private Profit and Socialised Debts - Thatcher privatized the rail tracks
creating Railtrack and of course it went bust having to be replaced by a
Network Rail and non-profit organisation setup by Tony Blair. Small
investors were ripped off and taxpayer picking up the bill yet again.
privatized profits and socialized debts when they have creamed off and ran.
* North Sea Oil Wasted - A total wasting of the greatest legacy left to us -
North Sea Oil. The revenue from the oil was not invested into the country,
in education, training and industry, just used for dole money in failed
economic theories.
* Failed Economic Theories -Implementing the silly Thatcher neo-capitalism
that was bound to fail and did with the Credit Crunch.
* etc
* etc
* etc

Within months of Blair coming to power the cardboard cities were gone. Only
when the world-wide Credit Crunch tidal wave taking all before it came in

from abroad did it stall. Brown put together the world-wide rescue plan at
the G20 meeting in London.

In these difficult economic times we need hard nosed experience to steer us

out with Brown having that. We do not need a bunch of Hurray Henry's all

from a few schools - LIKE THEY HAVE IN BANANA REPUBLICS.

Cut the 1/4 baked sycophantic OPINIONATED CLAP-TRAP and go FACTS!!!! Do not
suck in propaganda.

Doctor Drivel

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"John Rumm" <see.my.s...@nowhere.null> wrote in message
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> Doctor Drivel wrote:
>
>> All Labour have to do is tell the facts about their record,
>
> Yup,

Yup. We have never had it so good!!! Blair/Brown were the best, the
ABSOLUTE BEST.

We need hard nosed economic experience in these difficult times to steer us
out of the Credit Crunch which is world-wide and came from aboard and Brown
has that experience.

Remember the basket-case the Tories left behind!!!! Wow!
And some what that back again!!!!!

stuart noble

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Apr 27, 2010, 6:58:55 AM4/27/10
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If the Thatcher/Blair years have taught us anything, it should be that a
hung parliament is the way to go. Let them squabble and horse trade for
a few years so that they can't actually change anything.

timeg...@my-deja.com

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On Apr 26, 10:15 pm, "Doctor Drivel" <killef...@invalid.invalid>
wrote:

> All Labour have to do is tell the facts about their record, which is superb.
> The Hurray Henry Tories shadow cabinet are all from the same few schools.
>
> The best we have had is Blair/Brown. They took the country from a basket
> case under the Tories into one of the world's strongest economies. The pound
> was the world strongest currency for about 10 years. Constitutionally they
> got rid of hereditary Lords. The average person has little idea of what this
> means - it paves the way to Land Value Taxation and a more truer democracy.
> Also the zero unemployment with over a million migrant workers to fuel the
> booming economy.
>
> Under Blair/Brownsince 1997. Magnificent Facts.......
> out withBrownhaving that. We do not need a bunch of Hurray Henry's all

> from a few schools - like they have in banana republics.

Very good post, I have not seen it set out like that before. It brings
it all down to earth and into perspective. We go need people with a
successful track record to take us out of the Credit Crunch. Once
again, excellent.

ARWadsworth

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> Doctor Drivel <kill...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>
>> All
>
> Fuck off, you are a plantpot.

When did plantpots get the vote?

Adam


ARWadsworth

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"stuart noble" <stuart...@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
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I can't wait for the election to finish then we can get down to the serious
and important issues of the day such as the SA World Cup finals and a summer
holiday with the girlfriend.

Adam

.


Doctor Drivel

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"stuart noble" <stuart...@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
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> Roberts wrote:
>> "Tim Watts" <t...@dionic.net> wrote in message
>> news:hr63ai$jp7$3...@news.eternal-september.org...
>>> Doctor Drivel <kill...@invalid.invalid>
>>> wibbled on Monday 26 April 2010 22:15
>>>
>>>> All Labour have to do is tell the facts about their record, which is
>>>> superb. The Hurray Henry Tories shadow cabinet are all from the same
>>>> few schools.
>>>>
>>>> Hi Group

>> When it is announced that the rich have got richer and the poor got
>> poorer, it is time for this so-called Labour government to go.

You missed it. The poorer are richer - far more. The difference between is
wider. All boats, rich and poor rise on the same rising tide.

We could all be richer if we adopted Land Value Taxation, which Hong Kong
and Singapore use to great economic success. That is what we need . The Labs
and Libs have LVT presure groups. The Tories? NONE!

>> Having been in the Army under Eton educated officers I could not vote for
>> a gang of useless twits who were almost incapeable of looking after
>> themselves - the senior NCOs had to step in and run things
>> Robbie

That is my experience of the twits. I have worked with many of them. The
shadow cabinet is literally public schoolie twits. In this day and age - the
21st Century? People want them to rule us?

> If the Thatcher/Blair years have taught us anything, it should be that a
> hung parliament is the way to go. Let them squabble and horse trade for a
> few years so that they can't actually change anything.

There is something in that. A Lab/Lib pact will stop the Tories doing
further harm. Their first acts will be to cut public spending which harms
the poor and reduce inheritance tax for the rich. And people vote for them?
We need people with experience who have been there and done it. Brown was
the longest serving chancellor in history...and the most successful in the
flawed economic model the western world use.

Lab will give hard nosed economic experience and LibDems push through
election and constitution reform. A good combination.

Personally it is best to vote Labour and get Brown back to pulling us out of
the Credit Crunch. Labours record is impeccable indeed. That experience
and record cannot be thrown away. Labour did say they would introduce
election reform. Of all those eligible to vote only about 25% only ever
voted for Thatcher, yet she had total control and was devastating in her
recklessness creating mass poverty. A clear case of the minority controlling
the majority.


Doctor Drivel

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"ARWadsworth" <adamwa...@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in message
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..and Gordon Brown still in charge. Remember we won the world cup under a
Labour government.

The Natural Philosopher

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ten years ago I would have said yes, but right now I think we need some
pretty rapid action.

The recession aint over, It has not really begun yet.

If we don't dismantle the nanny state in pretty short order and demolish
ten years of bureaucratic legislation, the country will sink under the
weight of its bureaucracy.


The only difference a hung parliament will make, is that nothing will be
possible: If you consider that the way things are today, over regulated
with a huge public sector that doesn't really deliver and a punitive tax
regime, is what you want, then go hung. What will happen is that all
attempts to cut public spending will be resisted until there simply
isn't any money, and then it will be tear gas on the streets as the
whole public sector comes out because it hasn't been paid. And Britain
will simply be marked as bad risk and go bust.

meanwhile we wont be allowed to do what needs to be done ourselves, as
it will be against some regulation or other than hasn't been replaced,
either.

Gordon has blown it for labour, Cleggy is a tosser who is just Labour
with a different and even loonier name and policy set.

Cameron is not the most attractive duck on the pond, but at least the
policies stack up: dismantle the stupidity of the Nanny state, and get
the country to sort it self out, and preserve as much of it that is
useful and necessary as funds will allow. At least you wont be penalised
for hard work, productivity and savings, which the others will trash to
pay to keep bureaucrats in jobs.

Doctor Drivel

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"ARWadsworth" <adamwa...@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in message
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Do they allowed tagged people to vote?

The Natural Philosopher

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timeg...@my-deja.com wrote:
>
>
> Very good post, I have not seen it set out like that before. It brings
> it all down to earth and into perspective. We go need people with a
> successful track record to take us out of the Credit Crunch. Once
> again, excellent.


Sadly, none of those exist in the Labour Party.

JimK

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Apr 27, 2010, 7:25:45 AM4/27/10
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On 27 Apr, 08:21, Tim Watts <t...@dionic.net> wrote:

> Poor old Drivel. Have your meds been delayed due to the recent air flight
> groundings? If you're not careful, they'll be forced to use electro-shock
> therapy for this level of insanity.

nah angle grinder, pressure washer, Makita Li-ion Combi drill on
special..... erm..... is that enough? do I win a prize?

JimK

dennis@home

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"John Rumm" <see.my.s...@nowhere.null> wrote in message
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>> * Provincial cities have boomed with their skylines changing beyond

>> belief.
>
> The luftwaffe managed that, hardly a compliment.

The labour party have managed to close nearly all the factories in Tipton
and are building thousands of new homes in their place.
I don't know where all these people are going to work but it isn't around
here.
I expect there will be a large increase in traffic congestion, maybe even to
the level of London where the average speed is about 8 mph or they are all
on the dole.

Doctor Drivel

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Apr 27, 2010, 7:27:19 AM4/27/10
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"The Natural Philosopher" <t...@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
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>> If the Thatcher/Blair years have taught us anything, it should be that a
>> hung parliament is the way to go. Let them squabble and horse trade for a
>> few years so that they can't actually change anything.
>
> ten years ago I would have said yes, but right now I think we need some
> pretty rapid action.

WRONG!! We need stability and hard people to steer us out of the Credit
Crunch.

Lets us see what what this sycophantic snotty uni one now says....

> Cameron is not the most attractive duck on the pond,

What a surprise!! This one would welcome mass unemployment and devastation
yet again. I always wonder what world they live in.

JimK

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Apr 27, 2010, 7:32:20 AM4/27/10
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On Apr 27, 12:27 pm, "Doctor Drivel" <killef...@invalid.invalid>
wrote:

> I always wonder what world they live in.

is that irony?

JimK

ARWadsworth

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"Doctor Drivel" <kill...@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
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Why not?
Prisoners can vote.

<http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/politics/lawandorder/5126647/Prisoners-to-get-right-to-vote-after-140-years-following-European-ruling.html>

Adam


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"stuart noble" <stuart...@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
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> If the Thatcher/Blair years have taught us anything, it should be that a
> hung parliament is the way to go. Let them squabble and horse trade for a
> few years so that they can't actually change anything.

This may be a good idea after a government has put the UK on a good course
but not ATM with the mess its in.

timeg...@my-deja.com

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On Apr 27, 12:24 pm, The Natural Philosopher <t...@invalid.invalid>
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I go on record and results.The OPs post was factually correct and well
put for once cutting through the flannel we hear all about us. We do
need stability and experience to take us out of this depression, not
some green public schoolboys in charge. That is the last thing we
need. Brown did run the economy brilliantly and we all befitted. He
was the architect of the world-wide recovery. These are difficult
times. People should sit back, reassess and look at the gravity of the
world situation we are in. Use common sense. We need the right man for
the job and Brown is the man. We need Gordon Brown's experience to
guide us out. I can't think of anyone else who can do the job. These
are serious times and we cannot be flippant.

ARWadsworth

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"Doctor Drivel" <kill...@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
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That was Gordon Banks not Gordon Brown.

"Safe as the Bank of England" when he was in goal

Adam


ARWadsworth

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No. You missed off insulation and CFLs.

Plese try again for your £5:-)

Adam


Doctor Drivel

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"JimK" <jk98...@googlemail.com> wrote in message
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Any old irony?

Doctor Drivel

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You are right it has to be Brown. He has world respect fro his role in
formulating the world recovery plan. We need people who know that are doing
in these dangerous times, not a bunch of Hurray Henry's all from one school,
like you see in a banana republic.

The Natural Philosopher

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Indeed, so vote the bastards out. They have great experience in wrecking
the country and stifling initiative. Just look at their track records
and their CVs. Do YOU want an MP who is an independent aromatherapy
consultant?

Doctor Drivel

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"dennis@home" <den...@killspam.kicks-ass.net> wrote in message
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The homes are for the recovery. Duh!

dennis@home

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Apr 27, 2010, 7:51:09 AM4/27/10
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"Doctor Drivel" <kill...@invalid.invalid> wrote in message

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And the jobs are where? Duh!!
>

JimK

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On Apr 27, 12:46 pm, The Natural Philosopher <t...@invalid.invalid>

better stick with the bent devious slimy duplicitous fuckwits we've
got now....eh?

JimK

The Natural Philosopher

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"This is your Captain speaking. I am sorry, but we are about to crash,
since I allowed the aircraft to run out of fuel.

But don't worry, I am just the sort of experienced safe pair of hands
you need to get us down safely, and I will be personally taking charge
of the evacuation, and fire fighting, since I have more experience in
pissing in the wind than all of the rest of the cabin crew put together.

Oh, and don't listen to that young shaver in the cabin. Being able to
fly an F16 and having won the Red Bull air races is no substitute for
sitting the in the cockpit of a 747 or wandering down the aisle in my
smart uniform, letting the autopilot do all the work, and forgetting to
look at the fuel gauges.

Finally, I give you my personal commitment to ensure that if the plane
goes down, we all die equally horribly. A Fair and Equal policy will not
allow me to rescue one person if I cannot rescue all. So once I have got
out of the burning plane, there will be a period of consultation done by
an independent Quango, and, if its conclusion is that we cannot rescue
everyone, you will all be left to die horribly. But fairly."

Gordon "A Fairer Airline" Brown..

Doctor Drivel

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"dennis@home" <den...@killspam.kicks-ass.net> wrote in message
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After the recovery? Tipton is retirement place.

Doctor Drivel

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"The Natural Philosopher" <t...@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
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> timeg...@my-deja.com wrote:
>> On Apr 27, 12:24 pm, The Natural Philosopher <t...@invalid.invalid>
>> wrote:
>>> timegoe...@my-deja.com wrote:
>>>
>>>> Very good post, I have not seen it set out like that before. It brings
>>>> it all down to earth and into perspective. We go need people with a
>>>> successful track record to take us out of the Credit Crunch. Once
>>>> again, excellent.
>>> Sadly, none of those exist in the Labour Party.
>>
>> I go on record and results.The OPs post was factually correct and well
>> put for once cutting through the flannel we hear all about us. We do
>> need stability and experience to take us out of this depression, not
>> some green public schoolboys in charge. That is the last thing we
>> need. Brown did run the economy brilliantly and we all befitted. He
>> was the architect of the world-wide recovery. These are difficult
>> times. People should sit back, reassess and look at the gravity of the
>> world situation we are in. Use common sense. We need the right man for
>> the job and Brown is the man. We need Gordon Brown's experience to
>> guide us out. I can't think of anyone else who can do the job. These
>> are serious times and we cannot be flippant.

Well put.

> Indeed, so vote the bastards out.

You never read his post. We need experience not some arseholes who went to
a snotty uni and a school were buggery is rife. Also read the 1st post.
Read it 14 times.

John Rumm

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Apr 27, 2010, 8:20:50 AM4/27/10
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stuart noble wrote:
> Roberts wrote:
>> "Tim Watts" <t...@dionic.net> wrote in message
>> news:hr63ai$jp7$3...@news.eternal-september.org...
>>> Doctor Drivel <kill...@invalid.invalid>
>>> wibbled on Monday 26 April 2010 22:15
>>>
>>>> All Labour have to do is tell the facts about their record, which is
>>>> superb. The Hurray Henry Tories shadow cabinet are all from the same
>>>> few
>>>> schools.
>>>>
>>>> Hi Group
>> When it is announced that the rich have got richer and the poor got
>> poorer, it is time for this so-called Labour government to go. I think
>> they should be called New Tories not New Labour.
>> Having been in the Army under Eton educated officers I could not vote
>> for a gang of useless twits who were almost incapeable of looking
>> after themselves - the senior NCOs had to step in and run things
>> Robbie
>>
>
> If the Thatcher/Blair years have taught us anything, it should be that a
> hung parliament is the way to go. Let them squabble and horse trade for
> a few years so that they can't actually change anything.

Problem is there is lots of nu-labia micronannying and daft economic
policy that needs changing fast!

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John.

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Apr 27, 2010, 8:26:19 AM4/27/10
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Doctor Drivel wrote:

> You are right it has to be Brown. He has world respect fro his role in
> formulating the world recovery plan.

Ok gorden, sit, roll over, lay down, gooooood boy!

> We need people who know that are
> doing in these dangerous times,

Yup, quite agree, time for the knackers gordo, and take sock puppet
chancellor with you.

Doctor Drivel

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"John Rumm" <see.my.s...@nowhere.null> wrote in message
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>> If the Thatcher/Blair years have taught us anything, it should be that a
>> hung parliament is the way to go. Let them squabble and horse trade for a
>> few years so that they can't actually change anything.
>
> Problem is there is lots of nu-labia micronannying and daft economic
> policy that needs changing fast!

More Chav, brainwashed, sycophantic amateur economist at it again.
Laughable indeed. Maybe he wants tax relief on his American Bull Terrier.

John Rumm

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and car body filler!

Doctor Drivel

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"John Rumm" <see.my.s...@nowhere.null> wrote in message
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> Doctor Drivel wrote:
>
>> You are right it has to be Brown. He has world respect fro his role in
>> formulating the world recovery plan.

A Chav confusingly says.....

> Ok gorden, sit, roll over, lay down, gooooood boy!

He got me on that one.

>> We need people who know that are doing in these dangerous times,
>
> Yup,

Yes hard nosed experience from Gordon is what we need. The only man to guide
us through.

John Rumm

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Apr 27, 2010, 8:32:49 AM4/27/10
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timeg...@my-deja.com wrote:

<snip drivel>

>> * etc
>> * etc
>> * etc

> Very good post, I have not seen it set out like that before. It brings


Good grief dribble, you have not had this sock out of the draw for over
a year now...

Doctor Drivel

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"John Rumm" <see.my.s...@nowhere.null> wrote in message
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> timeg...@my-deja.com wrote:
>
> <snip drivel>
>
>>> * etc
>>> * etc
>>> * etc
>
>> Very good post, I have not seen it set out like that before. It brings
>
> Good grief dribble,

The only dribble is from a sycophantic you. How is the American Bull
Terrier? How is Chav land?

John Rumm

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You can see the attraction from labour's perspective, since as a class
the criminally larcenous will be sure to feel more at home with them.

Doctor Drivel

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"John Rumm" <see.my.s...@nowhere.null> wrote in message
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> You can see the attraction

Our resident Chav, brainwashed, sycophant is confusingly at it again. A
good larf he is.

Grimly Curmudgeon

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We were somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the
drugs began to take hold. I remember "Doctor Drivel"
<kill...@invalid.invalid> saying something like:

> You can't buff an economy for 11 years!!!

Neither can you polish a turd - doesn't stop you trying, though.

Doctor Drivel

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"John Rumm" <see.my.s...@nowhere.null> wrote in message
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> You can see

It really is quite comical to read how some of you sycophantically think
that a Tory government full of Hurray Henry's who all go to the same private
schools, will sort things out for the country. Let us play a little quiz for
all the political morons out there. Answers on a postcard to the editors of
the Dail Mail, Daily Express, and that comic for the flat forehead society,
the Sun reader. The prize will be two weeks all found in downtown Bagdad.

1. Which party took us into Europe on the basis that there would not be any
artificial trade barriers. All these countries would come to our aid if we
got into trouble!! We joined, and they did not help us, So much for the
Tories taking us into Rurope.

2. Which chancellor came out of No 10 downing street looking like Kermit the
frog on speed to tell the world in general and the British people in
particular, that he had just lost all our foreign currency reserves, and
that interest rates would now go up to 16%!!!!!

3. Which government was it, that if you wanted to speak to your local MP,
you first had to apply for a prison visitors pass!

4. Which prime minister was it who was banging on about the virtues of the
married family, whilst at the same time he was doing just that with one of
his married junior ministers!

5. Which government was it who used to play pass the parcel in the corridors
of Westminster, and whoever caught the parcel, was rewarded with a big wedge
of crisp new fivers!

6. Which government minister was found hanging from a beam in fishnet
stockings and red lace underwear, with a pair of female tights pulled over
his head and an orange stuck in his mouth!

7. Which prime minister said outside of no 10 Downing Street to all the
population, and I quote, "Where there is dischord, let me bring harmony",
and weeks later there were some of the biggest riots ever seen in Britain!

8. Which government was it, that after receiving detailed intelligence from
the secret service, prevaricated, and then had to send a flotilla to the
South Atlantic where three hundred men were to remain dead!

9. Name the Lord, who had to resign because of it!

10. Who introduced the Poll Tax - as daft as the window tax?

11. To those who read the Sun, I'll give you a clue. The political colour
you are looking for is not-red, yellow,green, or red and white. Look up and
you,ll see it just past the clouds, and there's lots of it.

Please, no more claptrap about how wonderful the Tories will be. Some of us
know better, as all we have to do is look at their record:

Look at the appalling Tory record:

* Cardboard cities - and they didn't care, blaming the victims
* Mass unemployment - Horrendous levels.
* Devastation of industry - One fifth of industry went under Thatcher and
Major.
* Devastation of economic growth creating infrastructure - It was
privatized. E.g., Thatcher said the railways and mines were losing money.
They were not as they were a part of the wealth creating process. She was so
dumb her and her party could not see that.
* Private Profit and Socialised Debts - Thatcher privatized the rail tracks
creating Railtrack and of course it went bust having to be replaced by a
Network Rail and non-profit organisation setup by Tony Blair. Small
investors were ripped off and taxpayer picking up the bill yet again.
privatized profits and socialized debts when they have creamed off and ran.
* North Sea Oil Wasted - A total wasting of the greatest legacy left to us -
North Sea Oil. The revenue from the oil was not invested into the country,
in education, training and industry, just used for dole money in failed
economic theories.
* Failed Economic Theories -Implementing the silly Thatcher neo-capitalism
that was bound to fail and did with the Credit Crunch.
* The Poll Tax introduced. It cause riots. They had to change it and
introduced the Council Tax. Another tax as daft as the window tax. If you
put a conservatory on your house they tax you.


* etc
* etc
* etc

They keep spouting CHANGE, CHANGE, CHANGE. On matters that need change, the
electoral system and the constitution, and introducing a meritocracy
eliminating the Eton/Harrow/Oxbridge privildged ruling class, they offer
none at all.

The Tories have no intention of changing the current privileged ruling class
Eton/Harrow/Oxbridge system. They are just shuffling deckchairs on the
Titanic. Everything they do hits icebergs.

Grimly Curmudgeon

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Apr 27, 2010, 9:30:49 AM4/27/10
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We were somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the
drugs began to take hold. I remember "Doctor Drivel"
<kill...@invalid.invalid> saying something like:

>Remember we won the world cup under a
>Labour government.

What do you mean 'we', white man?

Doctor Drivel

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"Grimly Curmudgeon" <grimly...@REMOVEgmail.com> wrote in message
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Once again for the hard of thinking, "You can't buff an economy for 11
years!!!"

Doctor Drivel

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"Grimly Curmudgeon" <grimly...@REMOVEgmail.com> wrote in message
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A team out of the UK. We... Do you know where we live?

Grimly Curmudgeon

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Apr 27, 2010, 9:35:32 AM4/27/10
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We were somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the
drugs began to take hold. I remember "Doctor Drivel"
<kill...@invalid.invalid> saying something like:

>
>"Grimly Curmudgeon" <grimly...@REMOVEgmail.com> wrote in message
>news:pepdt5t35n1ik6tlf...@4ax.com...
>> We were somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the
>> drugs began to take hold. I remember "Doctor Drivel"
>> <kill...@invalid.invalid> saying something like:
>>
>>> You can't buff an economy for 11 years!!!
>>
>> Neither can you polish a turd - doesn't stop you trying, though.
>
>Once again for the hard of thinking, "You can't buff an economy for 11
>years!!!"

That'd be a whoosh, then.

Grimly Curmudgeon

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Apr 27, 2010, 9:37:12 AM4/27/10
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We were somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the
drugs began to take hold. I remember "Doctor Drivel"
<kill...@invalid.invalid> saying something like:

>
>"Grimly Curmudgeon" <grimly...@REMOVEgmail.com> wrote in message
>news:qnpdt5df7u09img8u...@4ax.com...
>> We were somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the
>> drugs began to take hold. I remember "Doctor Drivel"
>> <kill...@invalid.invalid> saying something like:
>>
>>>Remember we won the world cup under a
>>>Labour government.
>>
>> What do you mean 'we', white man?
>
>A team out of the UK. We... Do you know where we live?

Britain won the Wold Cup? When was that, then?

Doctor Drivel

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"Grimly Curmudgeon" <grimly...@REMOVEgmail.com> wrote in message
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years!!!" The longest and highest economic growth in UK history.

Doctor Drivel

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"Grimly Curmudgeon" <grimly...@REMOVEgmail.com> wrote in message
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1966.

dennis@home

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Apr 27, 2010, 10:06:09 AM4/27/10
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"Doctor Drivel" <kill...@invalid.invalid> wrote in message

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> 2. Which chancellor came out of No 10 downing street looking like Kermit
> the frog on speed to tell the world in general and the British people in
> particular, that he had just lost all our foreign currency reserves,


That was Gordon Brown when he sold off the gold reserves at a discount.


> 3. Which government was it, that if you wanted to speak to your local MP,
> you first had to apply for a prison visitors pass!

The current one.

>
> 4. Which prime minister was it who was banging on about the virtues of the
> married family, whilst at the same time he was doing just that with one of
> his married junior ministers!

Just shows he was human.


I won't bother with the rest as its all drivel.

dennis@home

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Apr 27, 2010, 10:07:41 AM4/27/10
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"Doctor Drivel" <kill...@invalid.invalid> wrote in message

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LOL.

Doctor Drivel

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"dennis@home" <den...@killspam.kicks-ass.net> wrote in message
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>
>
> "Doctor Drivel" <kill...@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
> news:hr6otf$q51$1...@news.eternal-september.org...
>
>> 2. Which chancellor came out of No 10 downing street looking like Kermit
>> the frog on speed to tell the world in general and the British people in
>> particular, that he had just lost all our foreign currency reserves,
>
> That was Gordon Brown

WRONG! Nil points

>> 3. Which government was it, that if you wanted to speak to your local MP,
>> you first had to apply for a prison visitors pass!
>
> The current one.

WRONG!

>> 4. Which prime minister was it who was banging on about the virtues of
>> the married family, whilst at the same time he was doing just that with
>> one of his married junior ministers!
>
> Just shows he was human.

WRONG! He was destroying other families by shagging their wives.

> I won't bother with the rest

Do not bother as you are a sycophanic Little Middle England loser.

Doctor Drivel

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"dennis@home" <den...@killspam.kicks-ass.net> wrote in message
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I laughed myself when we beat the Germans

The Other Mike

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Apr 27, 2010, 10:31:17 AM4/27/10
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On Tue, 27 Apr 2010 00:25:16 +0100, Tim Streater
<timst...@waitrose.com> wrote:

>Inflation has been around 2 or 3% for some years before Blair took over.
>And the first thing they did was a raid on Pensions, then Brown sold a
>lot of our gold at rock bottom prices, etc etc.

Inflation was completely out of control under the Tories for almost
all of their reign - despite huge oil revenues and selling off the
family silver they pissed it against the wall in a truly spectacular
way. The "raid on pensions" is close to immaterial. If your pension
failed to meet expectations then blame the rampant inflation of the
Tories, the lack of growth in the economy, the lack of investment in
infrastructure during the years of massive oil wealth when
unemployment was deemed acceptable for a whole generation.

The sale of gold might have been mistimed, but the government
shouldn't be speculating in precious metals. Gold in the bank does
sweet fuck all to improve the prosperity of the country. It doesn't
feed people, or provide them with jobs, or new schools, or new
hospitals or anything worthwhile.

Going back to RPI

13 years of Labour
RPI increase for 1997-2010 36%

Last 10 years of Tory rule
RPI increase 1987-1997 55%

17 years of Tory rule
RPI increase for 1980-1997 236%

Last 13 years of Tory rule
RPI increase for 1984-1997 77%

Source ONS
http://www.statistics.gov.uk/StatBase/tsdataset.asp?vlnk=7172

But don't let facts get in the way of your rabidly misguided views.


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Grimly Curmudgeon

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Apr 27, 2010, 10:59:12 AM4/27/10
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We were somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the
drugs began to take hold. I remember timeg...@my-deja.com saying
something like:

>Very good post, I have not seen it set out like that before. It brings

>it all down to earth and into perspective. We go need people with a
>successful track record to take us out of the Credit Crunch. Once
>again, excellent.

I see Drivel's got his sockpuppets out.

Doctor Drivel

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Apr 27, 2010, 11:09:49 AM4/27/10
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"The Other Mike" <rootpa...@somewhereorother.com> wrote in message
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Great post Mike. Great FACTS!!!! That is what is needed.

I political academic commentator was on TV last night, I think specialising
in ads/propaganda. The famous Labour isn't working poster of 1979 - he said
it was a deliberate planting of seeds in people's minds that Labour created
mass unemployment, as the Tories firmly knew what they were going to do just
after the election - create mass unemployment.

When it comes to the economy Labour have always left it in good fettle,
while Labour always inherited a shambles. Yet the Tories always managed to
convince the hard of thinking that were the only ones who could run an
economy.

Back to the original post. The Tories devastation of economic growth

creating infrastructure - It was privatized. E.g., Thatcher said the
railways and mines were losing money. They were not as they were a part of

the wealth creating process. They created economic growth - the sale of the
ticket may not have been enough to run the railways, but the created that
essential economic growth. The way to fund them was by using the proceeds of
that growth that soaked into the land as land values - introduce Land Value
Tax (LVT).

They were so dumb the Tories could not see that - basic economics. A
railways in Shropshire, the Bishops Castle Railway, ran for 70 years under
the administrators - it created economic growth along its length,yet only
drew even. The Tube does not make money. Imagine what would happen if it
was all closed down tomorrow. Land and house values would plummet, people
would leave London, the city would die quickly. Yet Thatcher wanted lots of
to be decommissioned. What idiots!

The Jubilee Line extension costed £3.4 billion, yet along its length land
values rose by £14 billion. Land Value Tax would have reclaimed the
taxpayers investment in the essential economic growth infrastructure.

Private Profit and Socialised Debts - the railway cowboys creamed off the
profits of the railways, and especially the land values around the
stations - most profit from railways was in the land values the railways
created and the rail companies were heavily into land as they knew that was
where the big bucks were. The railway companies made big profits in land
and taking in rents, and passed the debts over the people in 1945, who had
to nationalise and run it as it was necessary for the economy.

Again Thatcher privatized the rail tracks creating Railtrack and of course
it went bust having to be replaced by a Network Rail a non-profit
organisation setup by Tony Blair. Small investors were ripped off,
encouraged by the Tories (and what happened in the 1800s as well) and again
taxpayer picking up the bill yet again, as the Tory shark creamed off the
profits. Privatized profits and socialized debts.

North Sea Oil & Gas Wasted - A total wasting of the greatest legacy left to
us - North Sea Oil & gas. Unfirtunately it came on line as they were coming
to power.They knew this and deceioded to exert spite on people using it.

The revenue from the oil was not invested into the country, in education,
training and industry, just used for dole money in failed economic theories

and daft plans.

They got rid of mines because they said they do not make money, when they
created economic gains and growth to the community - they fuelled the
powered stations. Coal was essential energy under our feet and 60 years
worth was left under and abandoned. To appease their mates, the Tories
allowed cheap North Sea Gas to be used to fuel power stations - big private
profits were creamed off. Most of Wales' electrity is via a gas station
using Liverpool Bay gas. They were told to reserve gas for domestic use and
use coal with advanced scrubber stacks. The oil and gas has near out and we
have to import most of it. We now have super high energy bills because of
Tory incompetence. Labour countered using more gas by installing wind
turbines. By the time Labour came to power the dirty work had been done.

We are still living with the legacy of Tory incompetence. In a big way.

Anyone who votes Tory needs their head testing.


Doctor Drivel

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"Grimly Curmudgeon" <grimly...@REMOVEgmail.com> wrote in message
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Madness indeed.

Doctor Drivel

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"The Other Mike" <rootpa...@somewhereorother.com> wrote in message
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Realistically Labour just about got over the massive Tory mess they
inherited when the Credit Crunch hit us.

Doctor Drivel

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By the time Labour came to power the Tory dirty was done.

The Rich Got Richer With a Sub-Underclass Created

Tory work had been done by the time Labour took control, with the rich
creaming off resources showing little enterprise whatsoever, taking rent for
land, and selling land for large sums, of which they did nothing to increase
the land values. The rich got richer and a sub-underclass created.

ARWadsworth

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"Doctor Drivel" <kill...@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
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The "Anyone But England" T Shirts are selling as fast as deep fried Mars
bars in Scotland.

Adam


Doctor Drivel

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Apr 27, 2010, 12:29:51 PM4/27/10
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"ARWadsworth" <adamwa...@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in message
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> The "Anyone But England" T Shirts are selling as fast as deep fried Mars
> bars in Scotland.

Fantastic. Such chips on shoulders. tsk!

Steve Firth

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Apr 27, 2010, 1:35:48 PM4/27/10
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Doctor Drivel <kill...@invalid.invalid> wrote:

> Our resident Chav,

Drivel

Doctor Drivel

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Apr 27, 2010, 2:01:48 PM4/27/10
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"Steve Firth" <%steve%@malloc.co.uk> wrote in message
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> Doctor Drivel <kill...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>
>> Our resident Chav,
>
> Drivel

Doctor Drivel please. Get it right. How is the ASBO going?

Andy Burns

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Apr 27, 2010, 2:05:13 PM4/27/10
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Doctor Drivel wrote:

> "Steve Firth" <%steve%@malloc.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> Doctor Drivel <kill...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>>
>>> Our resident Chav
>>

>> Drivel
>
> Doctor Drivel please. Get it right.

I think you could get elevated to Professor Drivel for today's
outpourings ...

Doctor Drivel

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"Andy Burns" <usenet....@adslpipe.co.uk> wrote in message
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Thank you.

Dave

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Apr 27, 2010, 2:20:38 PM4/27/10
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Steve Firth wrote:
> Doctor Drivel <kill...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>
>> All
>
> Fuck off, you are a plantpot.

Thanks for that Steve, I was struggling about to answer him/her.

Dave

Dave

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Apr 27, 2010, 2:26:23 PM4/27/10
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Doctor Drivel wrote:
>
> "ARWadsworth" <adamwa...@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:mFzBn.44599$uf6....@newsfe28.ams2...

>>
>> "Steve Firth" <%steve%@malloc.co.uk> wrote in message
>> news:1jhkukh.1bzkvnh3dm460N%%steve%@malloc.co.uk...

>>> Doctor Drivel <kill...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>>>
>>>> All
>>>
>>> Fuck off, you are a plantpot.
>>
>> When did plantpots get the vote?
>
> Do they allowed tagged people to vote?

Are you aware what parsing is?

Dave

Doctor Drivel

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"Dave" <dave...@btopenworld.com> wrote in message
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I blame the Tories in their poor education. This one could even find simple
words. Appalling.

Doctor Drivel

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"Dave" <dave...@btopenworld.com> wrote in message
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I still blame the Tories for this man's poor education.

Andy Champ

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Apr 27, 2010, 3:41:13 PM4/27/10
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ARWadsworth wrote:
>
>
> That was Gordon Banks not Gordon Brown.
>
> "Safe as the Bank of England" when he was in goal
>

Just for a moment I misread that as Gordon Brown... in gaol :)

Andy

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Mr Fuxit

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Apr 27, 2010, 5:34:47 PM4/27/10
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On 27 Apr, 00:01, Grimly Curmudgeon <grimly4REM...@REMOVEgmail.com>
wrote:

> We were somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the
> drugs began to take hold. I remember "Doctor Drivel"
> <killef...@invalid.invalid> saying something like:
>
> >The best we have had is Blair/Brown. They took the country from a basket
> >case under the Tories into one of the world's strongest economies. The pound
> >was the world strongest currency for about 10 years.
>
> Built on sand, you idiot.

Because the

Tony Bryer

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Apr 27, 2010, 6:52:29 PM4/27/10
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On Tue, 27 Apr 2010 15:06:09 +0100 Dennis@home wrote :
> That was Gordon Brown when he sold off the gold reserves at a
> discount.

No he gave loads of Brits the chance to make a killing <g>

If you look at the gold price, the real condemnation should be the
governments who held on to it for decades whilst the price went
nowhere, in the meantime borrowing billions at interest rates that
are much higher than now.

http://www.the-privateer.com/chart/gold-pf.html

If Conservative chancellors are so clever and have crystal balls,
why didn't sell off all the UK's gold in 1987 and buy it back at
half the price twelve years later? ... In the meantime having
made/saved a fortune in interest.

--
Tony Bryer, Greentram: 'Software to build on' Melbourne, Australia
www.superbeam.co.uk www.eurobeam.co.uk www.greentram.com

geoff

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Apr 27, 2010, 6:51:50 PM4/27/10
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In message <zXzBn.44601$uf6....@newsfe28.ams2>, ARWadsworth
<adamwa...@blueyonder.co.uk> writes

>
>"Doctor Drivel" <kill...@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
>news:hr6hgd$vf7$1...@news.eternal-september.org...

>>
>> "ARWadsworth" <adamwa...@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in message
>> news:mFzBn.44599$uf6....@newsfe28.ams2...
>>>
>>> "Steve Firth" <%steve%@malloc.co.uk> wrote in message
>>> news:1jhkukh.1bzkvnh3dm460N%%steve%@malloc.co.uk...
>>>> Doctor Drivel <kill...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> All
>>>>
>>>> Fuck off, you are a plantpot.
>>>
>>> When did plantpots get the vote?
>>
>> Do they allowed tagged people to vote?
>
>
>Why not?
>Prisoners can vote.
>
><http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/politics/lawandorder/5126647
>/Prisoners-to-get-right-to-vote-after-140-years-following-European-rulin
>g.html>
>
What about sectioned loonies like drivel, though ?

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geoff

ARWadsworth

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"geoff" <tr...@uk-diy.org> wrote in message
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Well they could have pretend votes. As long as nursie keeps quiet about it
then they would not know any better.

Just sign your name next to the candidate you want to stalk, and hey presto
a big X appears.

Adam


geoff

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Apr 27, 2010, 7:12:26 PM4/27/10
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In message <hr6ec9$lep$1...@news.eternal-september.org>, Doctor Drivel
<kill...@invalid.invalid> writes
>>
>> Bwahahahah... Brown would have trouble putting together a sentence.
>
>What I wrote was FACT!!! Yours was stupid opinionated clap-trap.
>
>The most successful government in modern times is the Blair/Brown
>government.
>FACT!!! FACT!!! FACT!!!!
>
You misspelt

FUKT!!! FUKT!!! FUKT!!!

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Doctor Drivel

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Apr 27, 2010, 7:15:37 PM4/27/10
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"geoff" <tr...@uk-diy.org> wrote in message
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> What about sectioned loonies like drivel, though ?

Maxie makes and entrance. Fantastic! How the Paddy Band going Maxie? Do you
still wear turned down wellies?

Doctor Drivel

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"geoff" <tr...@uk-diy.org> wrote in message
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> FUKT!!! FUKT!!! FUKT!!!

Maxie, is that a song you sing in the Paddy band? Fantastic.

geoff

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Apr 27, 2010, 7:18:15 PM4/27/10
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In message <83ng8g...@mid.individual.net>, Donwill
<Donwill...@invalid.invalid> writes
>On 26/04/2010 22:15, Doctor Drivel wrote:
>> All Labour have to do is tell the facts about their record. <snipped>
>>The rest is DRIVEL.
>Congratulations, first in the killfile in uk.d-i-y.
>Don

You can't boot the cabaret ...

The only downside if this thread is that I find myself having to agree
with dennis

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geoff

geoff

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Apr 27, 2010, 7:20:47 PM4/27/10
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In message <hr6hcp$v30$1...@news.eternal-september.org>, Doctor Drivel
<kill...@invalid.invalid> writes
>

>"ARWadsworth" <adamwa...@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in message
>news:AIzBn.44600$uf6....@newsfe28.ams2...
>>
>> "stuart noble" <stuart...@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
>>news:QrzBn.2874$061....@newsfe03.ams2...
>>> Roberts wrote:
>>>> "Tim Watts" <t...@dionic.net> wrote in message
>>>>news:hr63ai$jp7$3...@news.eternal-september.org...
>>>>> Doctor Drivel <kill...@invalid.invalid>
>>>>> wibbled on Monday 26 April 2010 22:15
>>>>>
>>>>>> All Labour have to do is tell the facts about their record, which is
>>>>>> superb. The Hurray Henry Tories shadow cabinet are all from the
>>>>>>same few
>>>>>> schools.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi Group
>>>> When it is announced that the rich have got richer and the poor got
>>>>poorer, it is time for this so-called Labour government to go. I
>>>>think they should be called New Tories not New Labour.
>>>> Having been in the Army under Eton educated officers I could not
>>>>vote for a gang of useless twits who were almost incapeable of
>>>>looking after themselves - the senior NCOs had to step in and run things
>>>> Robbie
>>>
>>> If the Thatcher/Blair years have taught us anything, it should be
>>>that a hung parliament is the way to go. Let them squabble and horse
>>>trade for a few years so that they can't actually change anything.
>>
>> I can't wait for the election to finish then we can get down to the
>>serious and important issues of the day such as the SA World Cup
>>finals and a summer holiday with the girlfriend.
>
>..and Gordon Brown still in charge. Remember we won the world cup
>under a Labour government.


Sorry adam - this just ain't going to happen

the cycloptic loser is history

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geoff

geoff

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Apr 27, 2010, 7:29:08 PM4/27/10
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In message <hr6l7e$cms$1...@news.eternal-september.org>, Doctor Drivel
<kill...@invalid.invalid> writes
>
>"John Rumm" <see.my.s...@nowhere.null> wrote in message
>news:vsudnfc0lew-S0vW...@brightview.co.uk...

>
>>> If the Thatcher/Blair years have taught us anything, it should be
>>>that a hung parliament is the way to go. Let them squabble and horse
>>>trade for a few years so that they can't actually change anything.
>>
>> Problem is there is lots of nu-labia micronannying and daft economic
>>policy that needs changing fast!
>
>More Chav, brainwashed, sycophantic amateur economist at it again.
>Laughable indeed. Maybe he wants tax relief on his American Bull
>Terrier.

Drivel - the man that can't be brainwashed

... you need a brain to be able to wash it


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geoff

geoff

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Apr 27, 2010, 7:30:57 PM4/27/10
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In message <hr6f10$nf6$3...@news.eternal-september.org>, Doctor Drivel
<kill...@invalid.invalid> writes
>

>"Tim Watts" <t...@dionic.net> wrote in message
>news:hr63ai$jp7$3...@news.eternal-september.org...
>> Doctor Drivel <kill...@invalid.invalid>
>> wibbled on Monday 26 April 2010 22:15
>>
>>> All Labour have to do is tell the facts about their record, which is
>>> superb. The Hurray Henry Tories shadow cabinet are all from the same few
>>> schools.
>>>
>>> The best we have had is Blair/Brown.
>
>The best we have had is Blair/Brown. FACT!!! FACT!!!
>
>What bunch of brainwashed sycophantic fools. Not one has the ability
>to put together the facts from 1997 to the Credit Crunch and recognise
>that Brown is pulling us out.
>
So you didn't notice that the rest of the world (except Greece) is
already out ?

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geoff

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