Help to copy files please

[Broadback]

I wish to copy files from DVDs to my computer. Sadly they are labelled
trck1 etc on the discs, so I cannot copy more than one. Is there away
around this apart from laboriously rebelling each individually? TIA

[spuorg...@gowanhill.com]

Put each DVD into a separate folder?

If you use Windows Media Player or VLC or similar (rather than File Manager), I think they will catalogue the files with artist/title information, if that's available on the internet.

Owain

[Brian Gaff (Sofa 2)]

More info needed. Are these the names on a commercial disc. I think most
discs these days are protected and in any case running them is seldom that
simple. You need a dvd conversion tool. I'm a bit out of the loop these days
on the state of the arrt.
Brian

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[John Rumm]

First question is, are these movie DVDs or data DVDs? And if movies, are
the commercial ones (i.e. likely to have copy protection)?

(if data, and just a filename collision problem - then I can do
different instructions!)

For copying copy protected DVDs you need DVD "ripper" software that can
also disable the CSS protection on the disk. There are many ways to do
this - both free and paid for. Of the free options I would look at:

http://makemkv.com/

For a commercial solution, then I prefer AndDVD HD from RedFox:

https://www.redfox.bz/en/anydvdhd.html

Once installed that makes the copy protection on any inserted disk just
"disappear", and from then on it can be treated just like an unprotected
disk.

So programs like Handbrake:

https://handbrake.fr/

can then access the disc directly and transcode it into a single file in
whatever movie format and resolution you want.




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[Chris Green]

Surely you simply copy each DVD to a different directory (folder) on
the computer, then the names won't clash.

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[Broadback]

Yes I could but that is very cumbersome, especially if I wish to play
random tracks.

[John Rumm]

If you convert each complete DVD to a single video file, the problem
goes away. So a typical DVD rip will contain a VIDEO_TS folder, that in
turn contains a number of .VOB, .IFO, and .BUP files with names often
starting VTS_ etc. If you point Handbrake at the whole folder, it will
render the whole lot down to a single file of your choice, e.g:
The_sound_of_music.mk4 :-)

[Dex]

On 13/04/2020 14:17, Broadback wrote:

DVD Shrink, freeware.

https://www.softpedia.com/get/CD-DVD-Tools/CD-DVD-Rip-Other-Tools/DVD-Shrink.shtml

[The Natural Philosopher]

On 13/04/2020 16:36, Broadback wrote:

It sounds like you actually have CDs

there is a program called abcde

https://abcde.einval.com/wiki/

It really works and searches the internet to find out what the tracks
are called

sadly its nor for windows

But its worth installing linux just to use it


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[Peter Johnson]

If you are using the file manager let it rename the files when it
flags up that the file names are duplicated. You should be able to do
it in one batch per disk and you'll get files named track 1 (2) etc.

[spuorg...@gowanhill.com]

On Monday, 13 April 2020 16:36:01 UTC+1, Broadback wrote:
> > Surely you simply copy each DVD to a different directory (folder) on
> > the computer, then the names won't clash.
> Yes I could but that is very cumbersome, especially if I wish to play
> random tracks.

Most Media Players will random play from a selection of directories.

Owain

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[Sam45]

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> I wish to copy files from DVDs to my computer. Sadly they are labelled
> trck1 etc on the discs, so I cannot copy more than one. Is there away
> around this apart from laboriously rebelling each individually? TIA

Put each one in a separate folder on the computer.

You need to do something so you can identify the file by name anyway.

Some file copy systems will add an incrementing number to
the file name automatically if you don’t need a sensible label.

[Max Demian]

On 13/04/2020 18:17, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> On 13/04/2020 16:36, Broadback wrote:
>> On 13/04/2020 15:50, Chris Green wrote:
>>> Broadback <messag...@j-towill.co.uk> wrote:
>>>> I wish to copy files from DVDs to my computer. Sadly they are labelled
>>>> trck1 etc on the discs, so I cannot copy more than one. Is there away
>>>> around this apart from laboriously rebelling each individually? TIA
>>>
>>> Surely you simply copy each DVD to a different directory (folder) on
>>> the computer, then the names won't clash.
>>>
>> Yes I could but that is very cumbersome, especially if I wish to play
>> random tracks.
> It sounds like you actually have CDs
>
> there is a program called abcde
>
> https://abcde.einval.com/wiki/
>
> It really works and searches the internet to find out what the tracks
> are called
>
> sadly its nor for windows
>
> But its worth installing linux just to use it

There are plenty of CD rippers for Windows which work the same way. I've
ripped DVDs, but I forget how.

You can't just copy the files off an audio CD; you need to 'rip' them to
convert the format.

It would have been helpful if the OP had said what kind of discs they
were: actually DVDs, or maybe CDs. Commercially produced, or home made.

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[Roger Hayter]

John Rumm <see.my.s...@nowhere.null> wrote:

> On 13/04/2020 14:17, Broadback wrote:
>
> > I wish to copy files from DVDs to my computer. Sadly they are labelled
> > trck1 etc on the discs, so I cannot copy more than one. Is there away
> > around this apart from laboriously rebelling each individually? TIA
>
> First question is, are these movie DVDs or data DVDs? And if movies, are
> the commercial ones (i.e. likely to have copy protection)?
>
> (if data, and just a filename collision problem - then I can do
> different instructions!)
>
> For copying copy protected DVDs you need DVD "ripper" software that can
> also disable the CSS protection on the disk. There are many ways to do
> this - both free and paid for. Of the free options I would look at:
>
> http://makemkv.com/
>
> For a commercial solution, then I prefer AndDVD HD from RedFox:
>
> https://www.redfox.bz/en/anydvdhd.html
>
> Once installed that makes the copy protection on any inserted disk just
> "disappear", and from then on it can be treated just like an unprotected
> disk.
>
> So programs like Handbrake:
>
> https://handbrake.fr/
>
> can then access the disc directly and transcode it into a single file in
> whatever movie format and resolution you want.

I vaguely heard a rumour that the copy protection on new BluRay 4k disks
was more sophisticated; do you know if these can be copied just as
easily? Not that I have many of them!

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[The Natural Philosopher]

they are very hard to rip.

I think only Apple kit can play them let alone rip them

But that may be old news.

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[Paul]

I have two samples in this picture.

https://i.postimg.cc/DyfxGD5K/cdaudio-vs-dvdvideo.gif

The top picture is a CDDA Audio Disc (600-800MB).
That's the one that has "track" as the name.

The bottom picture is a DVD Video dual layer [hollywood] (up to 9GB or so)

The top one needs a ripper.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ripping
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CD_ripper <=== VLC media player, down near the bottom

VLC does one track at a time. Yikes!

https://www.techwalla.com/articles/how-to-rip-cds-with-vlc

OK, let's try this one. Exact Audio Copy has a good reputation.

https://www.fosshub.com/Exact-Audio-Copy.html

https://www.fosshub.com/Exact-Audio-Copy.html?dwl=eac-1.5.exe

Name: eac-1.5.exe
Size: 5,111,512 bytes (4991 KiB)
SHA1: F4B9DA1ABC0ECFCD7466EC903BF87BBA51872B87

Results: All tracks in one shot, but a 40 minute CD takes 10 minutes to rip.
EAC slows the drive down, if there are errors. It spotted at
least two recoverable errors on my media.

https://i.postimg.cc/fyTT5sRY/EAC.gif

EAC has many fancy features, such as finding a set of files
with the same checksum, in some database. It can also find
better names for the tracks.

*******

If you made your own DVD Video (I have a total of 3 discs),
the .vob on those are not encrypted, and just copy.
VLC could play those.

If the title was purchased at the store, a Hollywood title,
those are protected by CSS (and many other protectors,
too numerous to mention). You need a DeCSS at a minimum to
copy off the stuff there, and put it in a format it can be
used.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Compact_Disc_and_DVD_copy_protection
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Content_Scramble_System

A google search like this, will give the names of tools.

site:videohelp.com dvd copy

https://www.videohelp.com/software/sections/dvd-to-dvd [scroll down]

You can test VLC and see what it can do. It's supposed
to at some point, had libdvdcss in it. Use the most
recent version (3.0.8) since older versions couldn't
play the video without artifacts.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VLC_media_player

https://www.videolan.org/vlc/

https://www.winxdvd.com/dvd-ripper/how-to-rip-dvd.htm

You should untick the "capture menu" option, because when
I tried that with my sample DVD, the capture went into a
loop (kept capturing the 2 minute menu over and over).

With the "Capture menu" disabled, it captured the first
selection (1 hour 48 minutes) and converted that to a
1.1GB MP4. It then started capturing the other selections
on the DVD, but the encoder stopped and no more data was
added to the output file.

I expect with some trouble, you could get it to capture
the second selection and so on.

VLC will use some hardware acceleration on your computer,
it will decode the video with NVDEC or similar. But it chose
to recompress the movie with the CPU. It took 5GB of
files off the DVD and made the 1.1GB output from it. I think
the processing rate was about 10x realtime or so. A 2 hour
movie would be 12 minutes, if that works out. I'd rather
see it use the video card for both decode and re-encode,
but maybe some day.

I had something on Linux that did a better job. I don't
remember what the output format was, and I think I chucked
the files (since I can always decrypt it again).

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Paul

[John Rumm]

On 13/04/2020 22:48, Roger Hayter wrote:

AnyDVD HD (and others) will rip them IIUC, however the trick is finding
a COTS Blueray drive that will read the disks. Typically you need to get
one of the UHD compatible drives[1] for which a modified firmware is
available, and then flash it with the new firmware. (in effect
downgrading the drive to remove some of the latest protections)

[1] Asus and LG both make some IIRC.

[John Rumm]

On 13/04/2020 22:41, Max Demian wrote:
> On 13/04/2020 18:17, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>> On 13/04/2020 16:36, Broadback wrote:
>>> On 13/04/2020 15:50, Chris Green wrote:
>>>> Broadback <messag...@j-towill.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>> I wish to copy files from DVDs to my computer. Sadly they are labelled
>>>>> trck1 etc on the discs, so I cannot copy more than one. Is there away
>>>>> around this apart from laboriously rebelling each individually? TIA
>>>>
>>>> Surely you simply copy each DVD to a different directory (folder) on
>>>> the computer, then the names won't clash.
>>>>
>>> Yes I could but that is very cumbersome, especially if I wish to play
>>> random tracks.
>> It sounds like you actually have CDs
>>
>> there is a program called abcde
>>
>> https://abcde.einval.com/wiki/
>>
>> It really works and searches the internet to find out what the tracks
>> are called
>>
>> sadly its nor for windows
>>
>> But its worth installing linux just to use it
>
> There are plenty of CD rippers for Windows which work the same way. I've
> ripped DVDs, but I forget how.

Exact Audio Copy is my favourite for ripping audio, saving to .flac, and
automatically getting all the track info and album art at the same time.

[Roger Hayter]

That makes sense. I've noticed that with a commercial player you can't
even split the signal as the player demands a handshake with the
individual display rather than an intermediate switch.

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[John Rumm]

That does depend a bit on the nature of the switch. Some of the cheap
multiplexers do actually circumvent the whole copy protect path. Most AV
amps will also allow 4K pass through.

[Roger Hayter]

You may well be right, but when I used a multiplexing switch which
worked fine on HD and on non-copy protected 4k the commercial player
announced that it had not received a satisfactory handshake from the
monitor and that it would therefore only stream HD. If the player
hadn't told me I doubt if I would have been able to tell this had
happened.


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