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In <33F26840...@ix.netcom.com> Jerry Abbott <j...@ix.netcom.com>
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>
>Good point. Even if National Alliance is a legitimate attempt by an
>Aryan Nationalist to organize White people, a reasonable organizer
>would assess the attempt as a failure in view of the fact that the
>leader has done large financial deals with Jews and some of its
>members, judging from their posts to Usenet, are clearly insane, and
>refer his membership to a similar organization on a more solid
>footing, such as the National Socialist White People's Party. I
>am not (yet) a member of the NSWPP, but I'd suggest to
>William Pierce that he should make way this time. The important thing
>is the Cause, not who leads it. There are things that must be done,
>and the organization in the best position to do it should have the
>assistance of everyone who has the same goals and values.
>
>Jerry Abbott


Will Williams

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ns...@ix.netcom.com(NSWPP) wrote:

But Jerry, the 'nswpp' is not part of "the Cause," as you put it, nor
is it "real." Defendant Covington is a liar. Almost everything he says
is a lie, and a Wake County, NC, judge has said as much in an
Injunction he has slapped on Covington as a result of my libel suit
against him. You must be really gullible, Harold, er, uh...I mean,
Jerry, to think Dr. William Pierce or any Alliance member for that
matter will "make way" for a fat liar who dwells in Lala Land.


Will Williams

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Jerry Abbott <j...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:

>---- Jerry Abbott to Will Williams, excerpt from email, top ----
>Someone tampered with my message by switching the places where I put
>"National Alliance" and "NSWPP". In my opinion, the National Alliance
>is the organization best positioned to carry out the Aryan Nationalist
>agenda, and that NSWPP has been damaged by its failure to meet certain
>legal challenges--unfairly put upon it, to be sure, but pragmatically
>that's beside the point. I'll look into the matter of who might have
>altered my message.
>---- Jerry Abbott to Will Williams, excerpt from email, end ----

>From the message above Will's, it appears that ns...@ix.netcom.com
>altered my message to swap references between NSWPP and the National
>Alliance, and the organizers of those respective Aryan Nationalist
>groups, and attributed to me a meaning that was exactly opposite to the
>meaning I intended to convey. An innocent misquote is one thing; I've
>done that myself. But a forgery of the sort published by NSWPP is
>unworthy of Whites. Even if someone at NSWPP were offended by my
>suggestion that the Cause would be better served by unity than by
>factionalism and that they should yield to NA for the sake of White
>people everywhere, that should not have resulted in a blatant
>fabrication of my text with attribution to me.

You do not know Harold Covington, do you? You may think I unfairly
sued Covington for libel, but the defamation suit is the best check
under our Constitution for abuse of free speech, especially in these
pre-revolutionary times. He was definitely being abusive of that right
by repeatedly and maliciously claiming that I had committed a range of
crimes, including many murders.

Of course that whole strategy was calculated to undermine the National
Alliance and our good works for the White race. You speak of "unity"
with Harold "the liar" Covington and his one-man "nswpp." HAROLD
COVINGTON IS THE ENEMY!!!!! He has contributed nothing. There will be
*no* compromising with known enemies.

If we do not police ourselves, Jerry, who should we expect to do that
for us?

>One of the Jews best weapons against non-Jews has always been
>factionalization among their opponents. The Arabs invading the newly
>declared state of Israel during the 1948 War bickered amongst themselves
>over who was to be Supreme Commander of the Arab armies. And Israel
>walked all over them, despite some early gains by the Arabs. We ought
>to appreciate, from this historical lesson, the danger of factionalism.

As far as I'm concerned the National Alliance *is* the Movement. We do
not tolerate factionalism. We are monolithic. We get along with and
are willing to co-exist with many groups and individuals who are
sincere and serious contributors. But there is no room for a Harold
Covington in our midst, a man who totally lacks the necessary
character to mix with the types we've built our Movement with.

>Jerry Abbott

WWW <www.natvan.com>


NSWPP

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In <33F43B43...@ix.netcom.com> Jerry Abbott <j...@ix.netcom.com>
writes:
>
>
> I would like to apologize to Winston Smith. I have now taken the
>time to look over the archived posts in DejaNews on the subject, and I
>have been forced to acknowledge that the National Alliance contains
>some really sick puppies, people so mentally and emotionally disturbed
>that the idea of their attempting to participate in Aryan racial
>nationalist politics is both frightening and ludicrous at the same
>time. Simultaneously, the penny has finally dropped in the bowl of
>mush which is my brain that real Aryan leaders do not do business
>deals with homosexuals and Jews. This plus the whole generally weird,
>cultish atmosphere which hovers around the National Alliance like
>swamp gas, the stack of unanswered questions regarding certain
>incidents, etc. have convinced me, like many others, to re-think and
>re-assess my association with an organization which, on closer
>examination, is ill-disciplined, disoriented, money-grubbing,
>and has entirely too high a percentage of fruitcakes in the mix for my
>liking. A hearty booga-booga to Winston Smith and the NSWPP!

>Abbot and Costello

NSWPP

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>Jerry Abbott <j...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:

Hap hapablap!

NSWPP

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In <5svasv$k...@camel2.mindspring.com> whit...@mindspring.com (Will
Williams) writes:

A most BODACIOUS booga booga booga!

Joel Rosenberg

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whit...@mindspring.com (Will Williams) writes:

>As far as I'm concerned the National Alliance *is* the Movement.


Papa Freud would have had a field day, Little Willie, with you and
Covington arguing about whether you have "members" and how firm your
movements are.

--
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Joel Rosenberg | For news about upcoming books, | My opinions are mine.
jo...@winternet.com | finger jo...@winternet.com | Whose are yours?
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In <33F3A4C9...@ix.netcom.com> Jerry Abbott <j...@ix.netcom.com>
writes:

>Someone tampered with my message by switching the places where I put
>"National Alliance" and "NSWPP". In my opinion, the National

>Socialist White People's Party is the organization best positioned to
>carry out the Aryan Nationalist agenda, and that NA has been damaged
>by its failure to meet certain basic standards of ethics and sanity
>and maturity--fairly put upon it, to be sure, but pragmatically


>that's beside the point. I'll look into the matter of who might have

>committed a most bodacious booga booga booga.


NSWPP

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NATIONAL SOCIALIST FORUM 8/14/97

In the "way to go department" from Newark, N.J. Bell Alantic is
looking for the culprit who swapped phone numbers of lawyers and escort
services in 174,000 copies of the Morristown Yellow Pages. The search
has narrowed down to employees at its graphic center.

The Texas Roadrunner

*************************************************************

Subject: Scott Barton's Drivel

Dear Comrade GenSec:

It is with a heavy heart I must write this. Thanks to the words
of this brilliant member of the NA, I can see the quality of their
personnel far exceeds anything our feeble little Party could ever hope
to muster. NOT!!!

Seriously, though, the NA shuld be complimented for permitting
the mentally challenged into their membership, more cannon fodder. With
people like this, all we need do is sit back and watch the NA collapse
upon itself. After all, we've already seen many of their quality
people see the truth, and leave the NA's crumbling house of cards for a
truly revolutionary, truly National Socialist Party. The NA's doing us
a favor, though, by drawing these losers, it keeps them from trying to
join our ranks, and it saves you the work of having to weed these "dain
bramaged" people out. On the whole, I'd say that's might White of the
NA, wouldn't you?

88!
JD


*************************************************************

Headhunter 88/14 stated that long paid vacations and other social
benefits for the German worker are a serious drag to productivity. I
disagree:- long paid vacations means that the worker returns to work
feeling happy, refreshed and ready to take on his job. It will also
make him feel less stressful at work, and may also increase
creativity. All these will definitely increase productivity, rather
than decrease it, as the worker will become more efficient in doing
his job. I think the Fuhrer has taken into account these factors
before deciding on granting long paid vacations to the workers. [This
could explain the increase in armaments productions towards the end of
the war, despite factories being bombed out:- german workers simply
became more efficient, and more creative on how to continue
production]. That's my opinion, anyway.

Sieg Heil!
Graphite

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Subject: Re: Fems In Publishing

Dear WS:
I must agree with Dave. Like him I haven't read any "popular"
fiction lately, either. However, in the spring a friend gave me a
book, "Breakdown" by, I think the author's name is Gladstone. It was a
paperback, and although it's size might intimidate someone with limited
time, it was a light read. While reading the book I noticed numerous
syntax errors, spelling errors, etc., and thought this was an isolated
incident until reading Dave's comments. The book was about the "next"
American "revolution." Reading Dave's comments reminded me of the
basics of the book, the protagonist was a former Vietnam, tunnel
rat/sniper who turned into a bleeding heart anti-gun New York liberal
when he came home, complete with his token negro "best buddy." His girl
friend is this macho type CIA/military intelligence. I'm sorry I no
longer have the book as I am curious to see what the editor was,
genderwise.
Women get into this because, from their point of view, they can
influence people, make a change, raise society in the image of their
choice. Sounds like the Jewish/Marxist matriarchy, and where does this
spawn from? Where else but, as Commander Rockwell referred to it as,
Communism's bastard little sister, liberalism, also known as
"feel-goodism." At least, that's where it starts off with a pretty
tinge of pink, but after a year or two of Jewish indoctrination it
turns blood red. Their Jewish handlers, both within and without the
publishing business point the way, and the shabbat goyim gladly follow
along.

88!
Red Doolin

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Subject: Response from Steve

From Steve:
I had written to you initially telling you that the racial web
site list was good, and thanks for providing it. The below discussion
regarding the Aryan Nations site was in response to your inquiry of
which site my friends and I feel could have some problems lurking
behind the scenes.
Now, we heard that some Aryan Nations members were arrested for
bank robberies, and we also read that Mr. Butler was arrested for
something more minor. When I had written to the site by e-mail, I
received no response to a question (it was theological in nature), but
a request for my name and address for a packet, and something about
"thinking white."
When I wrote back and said no deal on that, I got some stuff about
my response being a "complete fabrication," and "prove your lie!" We
told him he was acting like a typical "pseudo-fundamentalist."
Now, remember how Randy Weaver even said there were so many F.B.I.
agents infiltrated into the Aryan Nations, that even they were
investigating one another? I also know by newspaper reports a few years
ago that the government was targeting them. Can you find out anything?
If it is infiltrated, just collecting names and addresses for the
government on the e-mails, I would hate to see someone unwarily
stumbling onto it, and getting into trouble.

Steve

[I hadn't heard anything about Pastor Butler being arrested. Is
this news recent? Last fall the Jews were passing around a rumor that
he was dead, which turned out to be completely false. I'm supposed to
be dead too, by the way. One of Butler's former aides, a guy named Carl
Franklin, used to tell people I had committed suicide by shooting
myself.

I have nothing to do with AN; their e-mail guy is a man named
C. W. Nelson, who appears to be insane, and that's not just my opinion.
He gives himself weird ranks like "Standartenführer" and called Pastor
Butler "Der Führer"; it got so bad that about a year ago Butler had to
insert a little notice into an Aryan Nations magazine Nelson typset
disassociating himself from all the bizarre quasi-Germanism in the
publication. I think I know what "bank robbers" you mean, and I don't
think they were actually associated with Butler. Every time a White
male jaywalks in the Northwest the hysterical Jew media accuse them of
being in league with Butler. - WS]

************************************************************

Subject: Your Tax Dollars at Work

According to an AP story, it took $45,000 to swear in a Postmaster in
Atlanta. The cost included a lunch for 300 and a biographical video of
the new Postal queen. The new Postmistress (actually) is a Marjorie
Brown who was installed January 10.

In May, Rep. John M. McHugh, a New York Republican who heads the House
subcommittee on the Postal Service, asked the service's inspector
general's office to examine how much the event cost.

The investigation revealed expenses of $45,593, of which "only" $4,800
went to break the fast of 300 guests. The video cost $21,348, and the
air fare and ground transportation for visiting postal officials
squandered another $9,911. The Inspectors report revealed a further
$7,143 chicken feed on miscellaneous items including audiovisuals,
photographers, programs, invitations, thank-you cards...and of course
POSTAGE.
`
Some people can't even wait until they are on the job before they start
blowing other people's money around. And when rates go up for all of
us, it will be little comfort to know that part of it goes to support
an incompetent and profligate bureaucracy.

-Death to the Zionist Insect

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Dear Mr. Smith:

It has come to my attention that someone is posting abusive and
defamatory material about you on Usenet, falsely signing my name to
these forgeries and using what used to be my e-mail address. (I changed
ISPs after I began receiving hate mail from my former "comrades" in the
National Alliance.) I am not responsible for these posts, but I believe
you have sufficient experience with this kind of thing to understand
what's going on. I apologize for these ratbags using my name and all
the hassle you've been caused.

-Walter Amberson

[All in a day's work, Walt. 88! - WS]

[RESISTANCE is the weekly newsletter of the National Socialist
White People's Party, P.O Box 9444, Chapel Hill, NC 27515.
Subscriptions are $30.00 per year, $50.00 per year overseas airmail.
Checks should be made out to "NSWPP" or "Dixie Press".]



"This destiny does not tire, nor can it be broken, and its mantle
of strength descends upon those in its service." - Francis Parker
Yockey, IMPERIUM


for further info contact http://www.nswpp.org

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In <33F43825...@ix.netcom.com> Jerry Abbott <j...@ix.netcom.com>
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> I had misunderstood the nature
>of Covington's legal problems. My apologies. You're right; I didn't
>know Covington, and I had only a vague idea about what sort of
>bickering was going on between him and the Aryan Nationalist movement.
>Of course, this begs the question of why I opened my big yap in the
>first place without knowing the facts. It probably has something to do
>with the fact that I'm a fool


>Jerry Abbott. Got that? JERRY ABBOTT. Not Gordon Gray. No, no, of
>course Gordon, ethical chap that he is, would never make up
>a false name in order to convince people on Usenet that there
>are more than the same four or five tired old National Alliance
>Usenet junkies posting drivel about the NSWPP. No, never? Well, hardly
>ever...


NSWPP

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In <33F439B9...@ix.netcom.com> Jerry Abbott <j...@ix.netcom.com>
writes:

>You changed my words again, trying to make me look less foolish.
>I appreciate the gesture, but it's very hard to disguise the fact
>that an individual who, for no discernible reason whatsoever, suddenly
>appears on Usenet and starts posting abusive and defamatory lies
>about a man he never met in his life (always presuming of course that
>I am not really Gordon Gray)---it's kind of hard to conceal the fact
>that a man like that is an idiot.
>
>Jerry Abbott
>Really


Jerry Abbott

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Covington's got a bone through his nose and a talent for African
mimicry. Need anyone say more?

Jerry Abbott

NSWPP

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[A comrade recently asked if the NSWPP has lost anybody to the
NA over all this BS that's been going on. Since we have no members we
can hardly "lose" anybody, but yes, one man I regret has left us. ONLY
ONE---and after over a year of the most vicious propaganda pounding in
the history of the White racialist movement, I think that's a damned
good casualty rate. The following is the e-mail I sent out in February
regarding this man's decision. - WS]

Date: Sun, 2 Feb 1997 15:06:35 -0800 (PST)

LETTER FROM THE DEVIL

I will certainly not be the first one to observe that doing
what is right has a price tag attached. I believe Thomas Paine and a
number of others down through the ages have made similar comments. It's
a nice bit of rhetoric, until you are actually faced with a situation
where doing what is right DOES demand a price. I had to pay a little on
my account today.

A man whom I have known for twenty years sent me a long, almost
incoherent e-mail denouncing me and vilifying me. I will not embarrass
him by quoting or forwarding that e-mail; it was a private letter and
out of respect to him it will remain private. I will quote only one
line: "Every universe has to have a Satan, a force of evil to highlight
the good and pure so people can tell the difference! You have become
our Satan!"

There you have it, folks. I am the devil. This from a man who
has been with me in one way or another since the days of the NSPA. One
of the few men I kept in touch with when I was on the run in Europe and
Africa for five years. Where there is a devil, of course, there must be
a God, and what has happened here is simple and agonizingly tragic. My
friend has found his God, and God's name is Dr. William L. Pierce.

Congratulations, Doc. You finally made it all the way to the
top. Now you and Jesus Christ can slug it out on equal terms.

My friend's view of life is now very simple, like all
fundamentalist faiths. Dr. William L. Pierce of the National Alliance
is The One, The Leader, The Ipsissumus, Die Trommler---He Who Has Been
Foretold. His every word, deed, and thought is perfect. His inspiration
is divine. He is infallible and everyone who serves him by his gracious
permission partakes of a spark of that divinity. Hillsboro, West
Virginia has become the new Mecca, whence the Aryan peoples of the
world shall someday journey to touch their foreheads to the ground in
humble awe and supplication in front of the humble abode wherein dwells
the earthly vessel of this new Prophet of Revelation, known among
mortal men as Dr. William L. Pierce. Possibly, like the Dalai Llama,
his very droppings shall become sacred objects of veneration.

(Wonder if that applies to all National Alliance droppings as
well? Damn, I should have saved the little package they left on my
doorstep on December 1st! Perhaps it would have cured cancer or
scrofula!)

Sorry. I'm trying to find humor in a situation where I know
there is none. I have to admit it's a bit freaky, knowing that there
are people out there who actually believe me to be the devil, or at
least some secular political version thereof. Another friend of mine
with a wry sense of humor, on receiving a bunch of this kind of
Winston-as-Movement-devil routine, wrote to me, "You picked the wrong
name from Orwell's 1984. You should have called yourself Emmanuel
Goldstein."

Indeed, he has a point, although I don't think a National
Socialist with a Jewish name like that would have gone over too well.
For those of you who have not read 1984, or not read it recently---READ
IT. I swear, it makes more sense and I get more insight from it every
time I pick it up. I quote:

"Goldstein was the renegade and backslider who once,
long ago (how long ago, nobody quite remembered), had been
one of the leading figures of the Party, almost on a level with
Big Brother himself....He was the primal traitor, the earliest
defiler of the Party's purity. All subsequent crimes against
the Party, all treacheries, acts of sabotage, deviations,
sprang directly out of his teaching. Somewhere or other he was
still alive and hatching his conspiracies; perhaps somewhere
beyond the sea, under the protection of his foreign paymasters;
perhaps even---so it was occasionally rumored---in some hiding
place in Oceania itself."

Those of you who have seen a few of the Wicked Winston
smears---do you get an eerie twinge of recognition?

Remember that life in the original Winston Smith's Oceania
really sucks, as Beavis and Butthead would say. In addition to the
Thought Police the food is lousy and tasteless, clothes are poorly made
and fall off your back, tobacco falls out of the cigarettes, sex is
forbidden, the only pleasure allowed is rotgut gin, everyone except the
privileged few live in crummy tenements smelling of boiled cabbage
where the lifts don't work and the plumbing is always on the fritz and
the power is turned off half the time and the windows are broken, etc.
Orwell was describing life in Stalin's Russia, (Big Brother had the
face of Stalin; Goldstein is described in the likeness of Leon
Trotsky).

Our Movement is something like that. Basically, it doesn't
work. It is utterly ineffective, it smells of boiled cabbage, and the
aging Men of Destiny left over from the 1970s are becoming increasingly
in need of finding a scapegoat to explain away the cabbagey odor. Enter
My Satanic Majesty, Winston Smith, our Movement's Emmanuel Goldstein,
our Trotsky, our general handy-dandy all purpose devil, complete with
horns, pitchfork, and pointed tail.

Doubts entering your mind? Wondering why your National Alliance
dues and donation money is going to buy $20,000 tractors for the farm
in West Virginia, or indeed just why it is necessary for the Great Man
to bury himself in such a remote place at all, where you have to be
Daniel Boone to get access to him? Wondering how it is that every
right-wing Tom, Dick, and Harry now seems to have your mailing address
and keeps sending you stuff? Don't quite buy the whole Klassen land
deal? Thoughts crossing your mind that the Great Man might have---we
blush to say it!---made a MISTAKE in that little matter? Having met
some of the people Pierce has around him, do you find them strange and
weird and of dubious mental stability? In one particular case, utterly
repulsive? Do you wonder what in God's name the Great Man is thinking
of by clasping this serpent to his bosom?

Tired of getting one National Vanguard per year? Unsettled and
worried by the NA's attempt to claim absolute copyright on Commander
Rockwell's WHITE POWER and keep anyone else from even quoting it
without paying a "royalty"? Shocked and horrified by the Lyle Stuart
deal on THE TURNER DIARIES when the Great Man let this century's
(genuinely) greatest work of Aryan fiction pass into the hands of the
Jews? Shaken by last spring's PEOPLE magazine article wherein the Great
Man casually mentions that he will be using the royalties from the
Stuart edition to build himself a luxury home?

Saddened by the expulsion without trial or recourse of any NA
member who expresses any doubts? Deeply troubled over the fact that
many of the National Alliance people posting to Usenet are quite
clearly mentally and emotionally disturbed to a dangerous degree?
Reluctant to associate yourself with the kind of behavior you have
witnessed on the Net? Puzzled and angered by the complete failure of
Dr. Pierce to exercise any discipline or control whatsoever over his
so-called members? Disgusted that a prominent NA leader, Kevin Alfred
Strom, so far lowered himself as to create an absurd Internet forgery
in an attempt to implicate a critic of Pierce?

FIE! FOR SHAME! THE DEVIL IS MAKING YOU DO IT! GOLDSTEIN HAS
BEEN HERE! WICKED WINSTON SMITH HAS CREPT INTO YOUR BRAIN AND CORRUPTED
YOUR THOUGHTS! PRACTICE REALITY CONTROL! LOVE BIG BROTHER! FOR YOUR
PENANCE SAY A HUNDRED HAIL TURNERS AND A HUNDRED RAHOWAS! RENOUNCE THE
DEVIL AND ALL HIS WORKS, OR BE CAST INTO THE OUTER DARKNESS! MENE,
MENE, TEKEL UPHARSIN!

It's SO much simpler to blame one's troubles on some outside
scapegoat than to admit that there are problems within and correct
them. But then, that's the White man for you. That's how the White man
thinks nowadays. It's always somebody else's fault. The government, the
IRS, the Jews, the Trilaterals, the Clintons, the feminists, the
faggots, the blacks, the Federal Reserve, black helicopters, Winston
Smith. Everybody is at fault but ourelves. And the Messiah, of course,
whoever our Messiah of the moment happens to be.

People, let me tell you something. Leaving aside the facts of
the critical material I have written regarding internal Movement
matters, or even the question of whether they should have been written
at all---I obviously think they should have been---but leaving all that
aside, I cannot think of a single individual that I have in any way
persuaded to leave either the National Alliance or the COTC or the
Metzger scene simply by what I have written. I have ASSISTED some
people to make that decision, but when I hear from them at all it is
generally to the effect of, "Winston, I had my doubts long before I
read your stuff, you just articulated what I myself have observed and
experienced."

I might also add that such people almost never join the NSWPP.
They are too burned out, too disappointed, too saddened by the betrayal
and stupidity and madness they have witnessed. I am not gaining
anything out of all this, believe me. Quite the reverse. We in the
Party are being hurt just like everybody else, and I would give
anything to find some excuse to "lay off" that I could square with my
conscience.

In my last e-mail to my (former) friend, the one who now
considers me to be Satan, I suggested to him that he go to the library
and check out a book called THE GOD THAT FAILED, collected essays by a
number of authors, all of them ex-Communists retelling their
experiences in a similar political cult in the 1930s, which is what
Communism was in the Western world. Before any of you yield to the
temptation to designate me as the Movement's devil, I urgently ask you
to read that book---and 1984, of course. I think you will come to see
things and my very unwilling role in them much more clearly.

But I must go now; the sun is rising and I feel my powers
diminishing.

Non serviam!
Winston Smith




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>From the message above Will's, it appears that I am a fool who has not
>the slightest idea of what I am talking about and who has not followed
>the absurd zoo on Usenet for the past three months, which clearly
>proves that there is a non compos mentis element in the National
>Alliance which precludes it ever returning to the path of legitimate
>Aryan Nationalism. I have learned from this experience to familiarize
>myself with the FACTS before opening my silly yap. As Confucius say,
>"It is better to keep one's mouth shut and seem like a fool than to
>remove all doubt."

>Gordon Gray---no, no JERRY ABBOTT
>Forget that, my real name is "Jerry Abbott", I tell you!
>Never mind that my header is the same as Gordon's, I swear
>to you my real name is JERRY ABBOTT.....


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THE ULTIMATE DEPRAVITY

The Irish poet William Butler Yeats wrote in a famous poem
"Things fall apart; the center cannot hold." So it is in America. This
country is coming apart at the seams. No one in authority will act,
because to do so would mean acknowledging the realities of race and the
complete moral bankruptcy of the whole philosophy of liberal democracy.
That has been rendered unthinkable in a society where even the mildest
of racial remarks or deviation from racial orthodoxy by anyone within
the Establishment results in dismissal from employment and savage
demonization by the media.

The latest sign of this society's deep and irreversible sickness
is the present campaign on the part of organized perversion to grant
legal recognition to their loathsome couplings under the name of
"same-sex marriage". If there is such a thing as the ultimate depravity
and betrayal of basic human decency, it is this obscenity. A comrade
recently wrote to me and said, "Winston, I honestly believe that's it.
With homosexual marriage America has reached rock bottom; we can't sink
any lower and we've nowhere to go but up."

I disagree, and not alone because experience has shown that
liberal democracy is always capable of sinking to further depths no
matter what. There is one final perversion which I now predict the
Federal government WILL attempt to impose at some point in the future.
That is the legal prohibition of same-race marriages. No joke, people.
I honestly believe that at some point in the future, after massive gun
control and confiscation is achieved, it is part of ZOG's hidden agenda
to impose "diversity" by force.

Your grandchildren may be legally required to marry non-Whites
in order to implement an official policy of "eliminating racism by
eliminating race". (That term is already making its appearance in the
media). Sexual congress within or outside marriage between a White man
and woman will become illegal, because it might lead to the birth of a
White infant.

Think I'm paranoid? Thirty years ago, who would have believed
in over twenty million murdered babies? Who would have believed that
doctors would be given the right to kill their sick and elderly
patients? Who would have believed that faggots and lesbians would
seriously demand the right to marry? The Communists used to call this
technique "the salami slicer": slice by thin slice they take away White
Americans' rights and drop by drop they fill our world with filth.

The people who rule us are evil. There is nothing that they
will not attempt in order to impose their insane agenda, if they think
they can get away with it. Understanding that is vital to our racial
survival. National Socialism is vital to bringing this vile world
crashing down and building our own in its place.

-Winston Smith

Jerry Abbott

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I did not write the above, which was fraudulently attributed to me by
NSWPP.

Jerry Abbott

Jerry Abbott

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I'm not a National Alliance member either. Not yet anyway.

Jerry Abbott

Jerry Abbott

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NSWPP wrote:
>
> In <33F43B43...@ix.netcom.com> Jerry Abbott <j...@ix.netcom.com>


I did not write any of the above message that was apparently

NSWPP

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In <33F6B35C...@ix.netcom.com> Jerry Abbott <j...@ix.netcom.com>
writes:
>I did not write the above, but I would have done had I two brain
>cells to rub together.
>
>He Who Is Known Among The Cybermen of Gorg As Jerry Abbott


NSWPP

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In <33F6AB05...@ix.netcom.com> Jerry Abbott <j...@ix.netcom.com>
writes:
>fraudulently attributed to me by NSWPP. I am also apparently so
>utterly humorless that I do not recognize a joke when I see one,
>nor do I give anyone else credit for sufficient intelligence
>to recognize satire when they see it.
>
>Jerry Abbott---I SWEAR to you my name really is Jerry Abbott---
>Gordon Gray would NEVER stoop so low as to post under a false
>e-mail address. Would he?


NSWPP

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Odd that in the lengthy personal correspondence I have enjoyed, and
continue to enjoy occasionally with the real David Lane, David has
never mentioned any of these criticisms to me.

This post is simply another National Alliance hoax.

Winston Smith
www.nswpp.org


NSWPP

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Polls in Norway show growth of far-right_ (Reuter)

OSLO (August 15, 1997 10:34 a.m. EDT) - France has Jean-Marie Le Pen,
Austria has Joerg Haider, and now Norway may have a rising far-right
personality in Carl I. Hagen and his populist Progress Party.

The dailies "Aftenposten" and "Dagbladet" both released surveys on
Friday showing support for the Progress Party, which wants to clamp
down on immigration, is advancing faster than for any other party.

Norwegians go to the ballot box on September 15, and analysts say if
the polls are accurate, this rich, peaceful country has a significant
number of discontented voters turning to the far right to make
themselves heard.

Aftenposten's poll by Opinion AS showed support for the Progress Party
climbing 6.7 points from a similar poll in June to 21.2 percent, while
Dagbladet's figures from MMI put the rise at 5.2 points to 23 percent.

Both polls would give the Progress Party, which got 6.3 percent in the
last election in 1993, the second largest number of seats in parliament
behind the ruling Labour Party.

"MMI's political barometer for August points to an earthquake in the
election on September 15," Dagbladet said.

Norway is not used to such shifts in the political landscape. The
Labour Party minority government, in power since 1990, presides over a
huge budget surplus thanks to enormous reserves of oil and gas, and a
comprehensive welfare system which is the envy of the world.

But prime ministers Gro Harlem Brundtland and, since last October,
Thorbjoern Jagland have run a tight fiscal policy. As opposition
parties have called for increased public spending on health and care
for the elderly, the government has amassed oil revenue in a fund to be
used later on pensions for an ageing population.

The fund is forecast to exceed 100 billion crowns ($13.1 billion) by
the end of this year.

"On the one hand there is a perception of enormous wealth and billions
of crowns going into the Petroleum Fund, but on the other hand people
read about queues for hospital beds and think it is unacceptable," said
Bernt Aardal of the Oslo-based Institute for Social Research.

Commentators say Hagen is using this discontent to garner support.

Hagen has not used immigration or racism to spearhead this year's
campaign, although he has said the minority Sami population in northern
Norway should drop its mother tongue and speak Norwegian.

Although his party stole the limelight in local elections in 1995 to
become the third largest political force, all other parties have
refused to cooperate with it because of its anti-immigrant stance.

"You can compare Carl I. Hagen to Le Pen or Haider because that's the
equivalent position he fills in Norwegian politics," said Frank
Aarebrot, a political scientist at the University of Bergen.

"He captures the anti-immigration vote mainly from the elderly and to
some extent the youth sector, and the remnants of the nationalist vote
left over from the EU debate."

Norway voted against membership of the European Union by a small
majority in 1994, after a bitterly-fought referendum campaign.



NSWPP

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LETTER FROM THE DEVIL

Will Williams

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Harold Covington wrote:

> Odd that in the lengthy personal correspondence I have enjoyed, and
>continue to enjoy occasionally with the real David Lane, David has
>never mentioned any of these criticisms to me.

Stay tuned. Neither had John Tyndall and others criticized you until
they had been briefed about your disruptive and perfidious 'm.o.'

> This post is simply another National Alliance hoax.

There have been no NA "hoaxes," and Steve Justice and David Lane both
tell the truth. You are a liar and a coward.

Beware the night of the long knives, Joker.

>Harold Covington
>www.fraud.org

NSWPP

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NSWPP

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THE BIZARRE ASPECTS OF PSYCH-OPS
The Cases of Patrick Knowlton and L.D. Brown

By Cathy Leahy

What do a former Arkansas State Trooper and a Washington D.C.
construction consultant have in common? Not much unless you know
that they are both victims of the most diabolical destabilization
scheme ever perpetrated on an innocent American citizen by a
sitting president.

And why would Bill Clinton want to target these fellows?
Consider:

L.D. Brown served as an Arkansas State Trooper under then
Governor Bill Clinton for 15 years on his security detail and as
his body guard. L.D. Brown can bring down Mr. Clinton's
administration with what he knows. He can regale us with tales
about pimping at least 100 women for the then-governor. He can
corroborate the fact that Bill Clinton solicited an illegal loan
which is at the heart of Independent Counsel, Kenneth Starr's
investigation in Little Rock. He can tell us about Bill Clinton's
knowledge of and possible involvement in drug running out of Mena
Arkansas.

Patrick Knowlton, a construction consultant, is an accidental
witness to suspicious goings on at Ft. Marcy Park the day Vince
Foster was found dead there. He can tell us how the FBI lied in
the Fiske Report about his statements regarding the fact that he
can identify a suspicious looking man at the park that day. They
said he couldn't. He said he could. He can tell us how the FBI
told him to keep quiet and not to go to the press with what he
saw and how he obeyed until he found out he had been duped. He
can put the lie to the official version of the death of Vincent
Foster.

So how has Bill Clinton dealt with these witnesses who could
imperil his continued reign? With both barrels.

When the Clinton crime family came to Washington they weren't all
that sophisticated. They dealt with their enemies by either
discrediting them and/or ruining them financially or simply
getting rid of them. There are stories about castration and the
like. But when they came to Washington, they discovered a new
tool that federal law enforcement had been using for years.
While the Clintons were busy politicizing the FBI, CIA, IRS, NSA,
FEMA, et al, they discovered "psychological operations" or
"psych-ops".

Psychological operations can take on different forms but in these
instances, here is how they were used:

A) Dispatch numerous agents to follow the witness around days
before he is to testify, to stare at him menacingly, talk into
their shirtsleeves, knock on his door in the middle of the night,
ring his phone with nobody there, vandalize his possessions, feed
him erroneous information in unlikely places. This would be done
to deter the witness from testifying truthfully and/or
confidently and scare the bejesus out of him.

B) Dispatch the agents to behave in such a bizarre fashion that
when the witness tries to tell people, they will think he is
crazy.

And so it has gone for Knowlton and Brown.

A story in the Washington Times on August 22 recounts the Brown
case. It describes how he was approached in Britain, in the
middle of the night, while riding a bus to the airport. He says
a Clinton goon flagged down the bus and offered him a $100,000
job in Russia (he knew Brown was fluent in Russian). Bizarre?
Exactly.

In the case of Mr. Knowlton, he has been the subject of many more
bizarre incidents but has been afraid to come forward for fear
people would think "he was crazy". Precisely the plan. He tells
me of having his car vandalized by an FBI operative and how the
Park Police now refuse to turn over the report on the incident.
He tells me of how a man approached him at a local D.C.
establishment while he was dining alone and told him how Vince
Foster was compromised by being with another man and that when he
refused to keep quiet, he was killed. The man identified himself
as a "psych-op" specialist.

Experts tell us that these are all tried and true methods used by
people who don't want you to talk and if you do, your stories are
loony bin material Heads they win. Tails they win.

This would all have worked very nicely for the Clinton camp if
only their goons hadn't made mistakes allowing their targets to
have the goods on their evil grand schemes and hadn't already
spilled the beans to ears that are listening.

Published in the Aug. 25, 1997 issue of The Washington Weekly
Copyright 1997 The Washington Weekly (http://www.federal.com)
Reposting permitted with this message intact

NSWPP

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Date: Tue, 24 Dec 1996

Subject: WASTE OF TIME

WINSTON:
I have decided not to communicate with Metzger anymore. He was hinting
around about wanting to see those messages, and I was going to write a
very short note and attach them, but I decided that it is not in the
best interest of myself and the Movement. He can call me a coward or a
liar if he wants, that means nothing to me. I smell a set up. When I
was downloading NSWPP stuff last night, I got an "instant message" from
someone named KJ Baum. I used to get these once in a while while in the
chatrooms, but never when online getting my mail. Now, since talking to
Metzger, I get jumped on by some Jew? Coincidence? I have been around
TOO LONG to believe in coincidences in anything to do with the actions
of humans or humanoids. This Jew gave me the excuse that he had a
friend a few years ago that used my handle on the Net. Hey, the Net
hasn't even been around that long. I think what he was expecting
was for me to cuss him out, refering to his possible religious and
racial affiliations, therefore allowing him to save my message and
forward it to my online service in an effort to get me kicked off. Now,
the three best reasons a jew would have my handle and want to contact
me is if: 1) He really has a long lost buddy with the handle XXXXX.
(yeah, right), 2) He is a master hacker, government spy, or an AOL
insider that has been reading my messages. OR: 3) Metzger gave some
kike or other psycho my e-mail address. I'm betting on the 3rd guess.
What do you think? Now, my priorities are waking up, educating and
recruiting my fellow White folk and securing a living area, land, in
which we may live in peace and prosperity. Those priorities do not
involve in wasting my time with people like the aforementioned, unless
it is in the best interest of the movement. Unless I get a specific
instruction, request or advice from you concerning this matter. I will
not converse with Metzger again.

88
R. T.

Hank Rudr

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NSWPP wrote:
>
> ADOLF HITLER: A PERSONAL TESTAMENT
>
> I have always known that Hitler was right. Even when I was a
> child and had no idea what National Socialism was all about, I seemed
> to have an instinctive recognition that all was not right in the
> society I was growing up in, and that anyone whom the authorities of
> that society feared, hated, and reviled as much as Adolf Hitler had to
> have something going for him.

It is called racial instinct and sub-conscious pre-birth memory.

> When I played army with the other boys in my Burlington, North
> Carolina neighborhood, I always wanted to fight on the German side.
> Nor was this unusual; there were other boys like myself who drew
> Swastikas on their schoolbook covers and rooted for the Germans when
> watching television shows like "Combat" or "The Gallant Men". There
> was something in the shape of that Teutonic coal-scuttle helmet that
> thrilled our very souls.

It's the blood calling.

> I have often wondered how this could be, when we were so young
> we could have no idea of the issues involved with the war or what the
> NSDAP was all about, and indeed were constantly subjected to a barrage
> of anti-NS propaganda, in a time when the war was a very recent > memory.
> I think that this was because there is a kind of innate moral faculty
> in our people which Aryans are born with, which instinctively
> recognizes the difference between truth and lies, between right and
> wrong. It's a pity more of us can't retain that faculty into our adult
> lives.

Its loss is due to the dulling of the senses because of flesh eating.
Flesh eating is a most henious act, but the eating of the flesh of a
cow is the most henious act.
Also, the relevant injunction says, He who eats food that has not been
part of the offering to the ancestors eats nothing but sin.

> Years later, I heard the words of Adolf Hitler, and I knew.
>
> I hear them still.
>
> -WINSTON SMITH


Well, Mr. Smith there many of us who have re-incarnated and remember.
And there are many mighty warriors in the way. You must remember that
our banner is greater than death. And that OUR Führer is not dead!

derTeufel,h.r.

NSWPP

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ADOLF HITLER: A PERSONAL TESTAMENT

I have always known that Hitler was right. Even when I was a
child and had no idea what National Socialism was all about, I seemed
to have an instinctive recognition that all was not right in the
society I was growing up in, and that anyone whom the authorities of
that society feared, hated, and reviled as much as Adolf Hitler had to
have something going for him.

When I played army with the other boys in my Burlington, North


Carolina neighborhood, I always wanted to fight on the German side. Nor
was this unusual; there were other boys like myself who drew Swastikas
on their schoolbook covers and rooted for the Germans when watching
television shows like "Combat" or "The Gallant Men". There was
something in the shape of that Teutonic coal-scuttle helmet that
thrilled our very souls.

I have often wondered how this could be, when we were so young


we could have no idea of the issues involved with the war or what the
NSDAP was all about, and indeed were constantly subjected to a barrage
of anti-NS propaganda, in a time when the war was a very recent memory.
I think that this was because there is a kind of innate moral faculty
in our people which Aryans are born with, which instinctively
recognizes the difference between truth and lies, between right and
wrong. It's a pity more of us can't retain that faculty into our adult
lives.

Once I grew old enough to begin to understand things a bit, my
earlier childish admiration and fascination with the Third Reich and
the dynamic figure of Adolf Hitler grew as I came to realize that my
initial instincts had been correct. For one thing, even as a child
reading my first books on the Second World War, I never bought into the
Holocaust myth. I had no idea what the word "logistics" meant, but the
idea that a nation fighting for its very existence would devote immense
resources, manpower, and time to a pointless act of mass extermination
was palpably ridiculous. I wrote the Holocaust story off as typical war
propaganda and read on.

When I was about ten, I met my first German war veteran, a
friend of a friend of our family, a handsome and talented middle-aged
artist from Greensboro whom I will call Johann, in case he still lives.
I didn't know it, but Johann had been a Fallschirmjager during the war.
At a cocktail party one night some loud-mouthed redneck was holding
forth on how he'd whupped up on ole Hitler and won the war
single-handedly. He was describing some battle in Italy and said,
"...Then the gawd damn Natsy paratroopers come rainin' down outen the
sky!"

Johann spoke up quietly from his corner. "Ja," he said. "I
remember. Ve jumped on you. You ran avay." The redneck fool was
noticeably silent for the rest of the evening.

I was fascinated. Here was a man who had actually worn that
helmet, that uniform with the eagle and Swastika I had seen so often in
movies and on TV. As soon as I could, I got Johann off to one side and
asked him eagerly, "Did you ever meet Adolf Hitler?"

"No, not personally," he replied with a smile. "But I saw him
many times. I am from Nuremberg, where they had the big rallies, and
every year the Fuhrer would drive beneath the window of my house in his
open car. Once he looked up and saw me in the window and smiled. Later
on I was a Hitler Youth, and I heard him speak." Johann was silent for
a while, then said, "When you heard his words, you knew there was a
God."

Jim Bowery

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Your identification with things Germanic is natural and healthy, but your
identification with Hitler is a con.

Hitler was right about some very important things, such as the fact that
Jews were a primary problem for the people of Europe throughout history --
but Hitler wasn't unique in this insight. As late as 1939, men like
Charles Lindburgh, who had a Jewish benefactor in Guggenheim, was speaking
publically and forthrightly about the Jewish problem even after men like
Ford had taken similar stands and were bludgeoned into submission by being
seduced into placing his credibility behind failed attempts at propaganda
as The Protocols of Zion.

If people like the Czar's secret police and Hitler's propaganda machine
had not performed these "services", men like Ford might never have been
forced into submission -- and furthermore -- the US might never have been
forced to turn over control of its culture to Jews as they were during
the 1930s.

But these are only a few of the errors of these people... major errors
which do not absolve the Jews of their parasitism nor besmirch the
tens of thousands of years that our ancestors braved the environments of
the north in ecological balance -- even _with_ all of those "deliterious
recessives" of ours.

In short, I feel much as you do at the deepest levels of my being, but so
much of the post-Diaspora history of our people, even the history of the
Goths, Vikings and Nazis, where there was an ostensible attempt to
reassert our independence, is so contaminated by their presence among us
as to render identification with these errors as pathogenic and spiritually
parasitic as other forms of Jew-worship such as Christianity, Marxism and
Political Correctness.
--
The promotion of politics exterminates apolitical genes in the population.
The promotion of frontiers gives apolitical genes a route to survival.
Change the tools and you change the rules.

Karen Radcliffe

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If Jerry Abbott has made enemies like these losers he must be doing
something very very right.


Allan Matthews

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In article <34062b60...@nntp.idsonline.com>, radc...@gmu.edu wrote:
>
>If Jerry Abbott has made enemies like these losers he must be doing
>something very very right.

No, actually, he's a complete shit for brains. Just like you.

Ah, September, when college newbie racist morons crawl out from under the
woodwork and creep onto Usenet to let us all know how dumb they are.

allan


=================================================
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=================================================
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"What is great liberation?"
He replied, "Mad cow crossed a big river."
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John Morris

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In <34062b60...@nntp.idsonline.com>, on Fri, 29 Aug 1997 01:53:10

GMT, radc...@gmu.edu (Karen Radcliffe) wrote:

>
>If Jerry Abbott has made enemies like these losers he must be doing
>something very very right.

Whatever the ontological status of Jerry Abbott, Karen Radcliffe is
definitely not real:

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On Fri, 29 Aug 1997 01:53:10 GMT, you wrote:

>
>If Jerry Abbott has made enemies like these losers he must be doing
>something very very right.


--
John Morris <John....@UAlberta.CA>
at University of Alberta <Scripture veteris capiunt exempla futuri>
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The Nizkor Project is at http://www.nizkor.org/

John Morris

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In <5ua07a$j...@fridge-nf0.shore.net>, on Sat, 30 Aug 1997 20:35:48
GMT, allan_m...@bigfoot.com (Allan Matthews) wrote:

>>If Jerry Abbott has made enemies like these losers he must be doing
>>something very very right.

>No, actually, he's a complete shit for brains. Just like you.

>Ah, September, when college newbie racist morons crawl out from under the
>woodwork and creep onto Usenet to let us all know how dumb they are.

Well, do be too exercised. "Karen Radcliffe" is a forged userid for
some idiot in Virginia with an idsonline.com account. So is the userid
of her colleague "Betsy Marsh" and so is their gallant defender,
"Michael Ives," another Virginian posting from nova.org:

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NSWPP

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In <340ad348...@news.v-wave.com>
check.the...@nospam.ualberta.edu (John Morris) writes:

>Well, do be too exercised. "Karen Radcliffe" is a forged userid for
>some idiot in Virginia with an idsonline.com account. So is the userid
>of her colleague "Betsy Marsh" and so is their gallant defender,
>"Michael Ives," another Virginian posting from nova.org:

Hello? Wake up in there! You are attacking your own people, John!
So Nizkor and pro-Nizkor liberal assholes use false names to post to
Usenet? So what else is new?

Michael Ives

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John Morris wrote:
>
> In <5ua07a$j...@fridge-nf0.shore.net>, on Sat, 30 Aug 1997 20:35:48
> GMT, allan_m...@bigfoot.com (Allan Matthews) wrote:
>
> >In article <34062b60...@nntp.idsonline.com>, radc...@gmu.edu wrote:
>
> >>If Jerry Abbott has made enemies like these losers he must be doing
> >>something very very right.
>
> >No, actually, he's a complete shit for brains. Just like you.
>
> >Ah, September, when college newbie racist morons crawl out from under the
> >woodwork and creep onto Usenet to let us all know how dumb they are.
>
> Well, do be too exercised.

That's what Morris wrote. But what Morris is _trying_ to say here is
that you, Allan Matthews, are once again letting everyone know how
"dumb" _you_ are. SURPRISE!

> "Karen Radcliffe" is a forged userid for
> some idiot in Virginia with an idsonline.com account. So is the userid
> of her colleague "Betsy Marsh" and so is their gallant defender,
> "Michael Ives," another Virginian

This is false. I am not a Virginian. But you, Morris, appear to be an
idiot and a liar.

> Final-Recipient: RFC822; mi...@concentric.net
> Action: failed
> Status: 5.1.1
> Remote-MTA: DNS; mailhost.concentric.net
> Diagnostic-Code: SMTP; 550 <mi...@concentric.net>... User unknown
> Last-Attempt-Date: Sat, 30 Aug 1997 20:12:39 -0600
> Return-Path: <John....@ualberta.ca>

Ah, too bad, Morris, your "ping o'death" failed again? Guess what, I
modified my return email address for just that reason. Aren't you guys
issued Crays? Didn't Bronfman or Geffen see to that? You can try all
random combinations in an hour or two, right? Why not just try pinging
everyone in the world? Must get lonely up there where you are. Don't
worry, winter's coming.

Allan Matthews

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In article <340948...@concentric.net>, mi...@concentric.net wrote:
>John Morris wrote:
>>
>> In <5ua07a$j...@fridge-nf0.shore.net>, on Sat, 30 Aug 1997 20:35:48
>> GMT, allan_m...@bigfoot.com (Allan Matthews) wrote:
>>
>> >In article <34062b60...@nntp.idsonline.com>, radc...@gmu.edu wrote:
>>
>> >>If Jerry Abbott has made enemies like these losers he must be doing
>> >>something very very right.
>>
>> >No, actually, he's a complete shit for brains. Just like you.
>>
>> >Ah, September, when college newbie racist morons crawl out from under the
>> >woodwork and creep onto Usenet to let us all know how dumb they are.
>>
>> Well, do be too exercised.
>
>That's what Morris wrote. But what Morris is _trying_ to say here is
>that you, Allan Matthews, are once again letting everyone know how
>"dumb" _you_ are. SURPRISE!

No, somehow I doubt that's what John's trying to say. Afterall, he's an
intelligent gentleman, unlike you. If anything I'm guilty of being naive -
actually believing that radc...@gmu.edu was a real e-mail address. Silly
me, what could I have been thinking? Afterall, you White Power Morons almost
always post from fake addresses like the sniveling cowards that you are.

John Morris

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In <340948...@concentric.net>, on Sun, 31 Aug 1997 03:35:08 -0700,
Michael Ives <mi...@concentric.net> wrote:

>John Morris wrote:

[snip]

>> "Karen Radcliffe" is a forged userid for
>> some idiot in Virginia with an idsonline.com account. So is the userid
>> of her colleague "Betsy Marsh" and so is their gallant defender,
>> "Michael Ives," another Virginian

>This is false. I am not a Virginian. But you, Morris, appear to be an
>idiot and a liar.

Calling me an idiot and mistaken might be fairer. Your posting host is
the Northern Virginia Internet Access Cooperative (nova.org). I
assumed that you might be in Virginia in order to access nova.org
without making a toll free call, but I suppose it would be toll free
to Merrifield from just about anywhere inside the Beltway.

Also, try to avoid using pronoun references that create vague
antecedents. Not everything in the quoted text is false. For instance,
it is true that "Karen Radcliffe," "Betsy Marsh," and "Michael Ives"
are forged names.

>> Final-Recipient: RFC822; mi...@concentric.net
>> Action: failed
>> Status: 5.1.1
>> Remote-MTA: DNS; mailhost.concentric.net
>> Diagnostic-Code: SMTP; 550 <mi...@concentric.net>... User unknown
>> Last-Attempt-Date: Sat, 30 Aug 1997 20:12:39 -0600
>> Return-Path: <John....@ualberta.ca>

>Ah, too bad, Morris, your "ping o'death" failed again?

"Ping o' death"? I was not aware that it was possible to ping an
individual account through an SMTP server. Just goes to show how
little I know.

> Guess what, I
>modified my return email address for just that reason.

Now who's the idiot and liar? To be fair, of course, I should say
"idiot and mistaken," since falsifying your e-mail address would not
protect your domain from pinging.

> Aren't you guys
>issued Crays? Didn't Bronfman or Geffen see to that? You can try all
>random combinations in an hour or two, right? Why not just try pinging
>everyone in the world? Must get lonely up there where you are. Don't
>worry, winter's coming.

But you know as well as I that the reason you falsified your address
was so that you could troll and Jew-bait without having to take
responsibility for it.

Steve Justus

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I clearly stated my source for this quote, which Covington ignores, just
as he ignores all evidence he doesn't like. It was in Resistance Records
Electronic Newslatter, Vol. 2, No. 28, dated Monday, Sept. 16th,1996. See
the RR website at www.resistance.com for subscription info.

--
THE ORDER'S DAVID LANE ON HAROLD COVINGTON'S COMBAT 18

"Those who cause dissension, whether consciously
or unconsciously, serve the enemy. They then become
the enemy and the enemy of our cause. The
leadership of C-18 are obviously Zionist agents or
they are so ignorant and dangerous that they might as
well be. It can no longer be tolerated. For
now, the bands will need to provide for their own
security. At the appropriate time, the enemy amongst
us will face a night of the long knives." - David Lane

Speaking only for myself,
Steve Justus

Steve Justus

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Harold Covington's claim that National Alliance member Will Williams is
really John Doe #2 of Oklahoma City infamy is one the craziest claims ever
made. Anyone believing that Covington is actually a source of news must
have brown matter rather than gray matter for brains. Nevertheless, let's
examine this libel to see why it's so nutty, and why it should discredit
Covington forever.

John Doe #2 was described in numerous news accounts as being 5'7" to 5'9"
tall, in his early 20's, stocky build, with dark hair and an olive
complexion. He is a known associate of McVeigh's and also has a tattoo on
his arm. The tattoo is a sunwheel, a symbol from pagan Europe.

I have met Will Williams once, and noted the following through personal
observation. Will Williams was in his late 40's in 1995 (the time of the
bombing), is 6 feet tall, medium to slender build, graying hair, light
complexion, and no sunwheel tattoo. The John Doe #2 picture which has a
full frontal view of him wearing a baseball cap bears some resemblance to
Williams, which is the entire basis for Covington's claim, but not nearly
as much as Covington would have you believe. There is nothing to connect
Williams, who lives in North Carolina, to McVeigh at all.

You may think that Williams doesn't sound much like JD #2, and you're
right, but Covington sure tries in his infamous libel "The Adventures of
Mr. X", where he first made this insane claim. Williams could have put
"Grecian formula" in his graying hair to darken it. The skin tone can be
explained by a nice, deep suntan. How do we get Williams in Oklahoma,
though? Well, someone allegedly saw him in Arizona, which is west of
Oklahoma. Williams lives in North Carolina, which is east of Oklahoma.
Therefore, he could have driven to Arizona and passed through Oklahoma on
the way, setting off the bomb. Or something like that.

This is exceptionally lame "evidence", even for Covington, and Covington
makes no attempt to explain away the 4 inch height difference or the 25
year age difference that make the whole fable obviously false. Even an
accomplished liar such as Covington has to work with the material he has
on hand, and no one could make this whopper plausible. The fact that
Williams COULD darken his hair and skin and travel to Oklahoma City
doesn't show he ever DID, and Covington makes no effort to demonstrate he
did do this. After all, if you shaved off Covington's rabbinical beard,
put him on a strict program of diet and exercise, and had an expert team
of doctors skilled in liposuction and plastic surgery work on him, you
might be able to make Covington look as good as Rush Limbaugh does. The
fact that you might be able to make Covington look like Limbaugh with
enough work and money certainly doesn't show that Harold has been
transformed in this fashion.

There is no way this is an honest error that a cautious, well-intentioned
researcher might make. Covington knows Will Williams better than I do, and
I'm sure he knows perfectly well that a 6 foot man in his late 40's is not
going to be mistaken for a 5'8" man in his early 20's. No, this whole
sorry story is simply one the most unbelievable and outrageous lies
Covington has ever concocted. It's so stupid, and so easily refuted, that
a rational man would wonder why Covington ever said it in the first place.
However, I doubt Covington is a rational man, and I leave it to one of his
handful of brown-nosers to explain why he would tell such an idiotic lie -
a lie even the National Enquirer wouldn't touch.

Most interestingly, there is a real suspect who fits the bill for John Doe
#2 that Covington studiously avoids talking about. Covington knows who he
is, since he ran an article from the Daily Telegraph of London, England in
his slander sheet "Resistance" that contained several paragraphs on the
man. With his fine sense of honesty, Covington censored those paragraphs
from the Resistance article. He is Michael Brescia, now 24, a Philadelphia
college student indicted in the "Aryan Republican Army" bank robberies.
Brescia is about 5'8" tall, with dark hair and an olive complexion (he is
of italian descent), with a sunwheel tattoo on his arm. Sounds pretty
good, doesn't it? It gets better.

The following is taken from a Rocky Mountain News article of March 3,
1997, entitled "John Doe 2 remain a mystery".
"Brescia, through his attorney, told the News that he had no involvement
with the bombing. He resembles the sketch of John Doe 2, but the
government points out that's meaningless now that Kessinger [a witness,
not used at trial - SJ] has repudiated the sketch.
The Aryan bank robberies were probed for a possible connection to the
Oklahoma bombing, with some FBI agents thinking the money - never
recovered - might have financed it. The government says no connections
were found."
[other stuff skipped]
"Brescia lived for a time at Elohim City in Oklahoma with a German citizen
named Andreas Strassmeir. Various witnesses, including a stripper in a
Tulsa topless bar, say they saw Brescia and Strassmeir with McVeigh."

Of course, it's possible that the whole John Doe 2 thing is a false lead,
and the government has shown no interest in pursuing it. Still, it's clear
that Brescia is the leading candidate. He is the right age, he fits the
physical description, and he is a known associate of McVeigh's who was
living in Oklahoma at the time the bomb plot was hatched. He even has a
wrongful death suit filed against him by some survivors of the bombing who
believe he is involved, along with his roommate Andreas Strassmeir, the
ex-military intelligence officer and son of the former Secretary of State
(!) of Germany, who apparently had nothing else to do with himself other
than hang out in a trailer park in eastern Oklahoma.

I'm not relying on any "secret sources" for any of this information - most
of it was published in the local newspaper. Ask yourself why Covington
would print this insane "Will Williams is John Doe 2" theory, and ignore
all the evidence that shows it isn't so. Than ask yourself if anything
Covington says can be believed.

Steve Justus

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The excerpts in this article were taken from an article which appeared in
the Sunday Los Angeles Times magazine on December 12, 1993. The article
was called "Marketing Hate", by Sarah Henry, and its main topic was the
short-lived attempt by one Rick McCarty,a highly questionable character,
to take Ben Klassen's "Church of the Creator" and aggressively market it.
It did contain some very interesting background information on Klassen
which completely contradicts Covington's insane portrayal of the man. I
had read every issue of Covington's slander sheet "Resistance" up to the
time this article was published, so I am very familiar with Covington's
claims. Although I mever believed all, or even many, of his charges - who
could? - I thought Klassen must be guilty of something. This article
convinced me Covington is a completely unreliable liar who knows nothing
about the people he defames.

For example, the source of Klassen's money is revealed, something
Covington never knew. Covington always claimed that Klassen stole his
money, or was set up by Jewry as a front. In this fable, Klassen was given
millions of dollars by Jewry to make a phony "racist" organization they
controlled. The insanity of that claim is clearly revealed here.

Covington also never said that Klassen was married and had a family. I
don't know if Covington even knew that or not, but it's a lot easier to
slander someone as a "homosexual" if you never mention to people that the
"homosexual" is married and has a child. While I'm not naive enough to
believe that proves Klassen never did what Covington accuses him of, it
certainly makes it far less likely. Would a man really start drugging and
raping teen age boys at the age of 70, after 40 years of marriage? I doubt
it, especially when there has been no critical examination of these
claims, only their endless repetition by the proven liar Covington.
Besides, Harold himself was the number two man to the proven Jew and
homosexual, Frank Collin. Did Harold really know nothing about his
fuhrer's sexual tastes, as he claims? How do we know that Covington wasn't
participating in his fuhrer's activities himself?

Read the relevant pieces of the article below and judge for yourself if
Covington's fables are true. The complete text of the article can be found
at the Times website at http://www.latimes.com. Search the archives for
1993 in the magazine section for the phrase "Church of the Creator" and
you'll find the article. It will cost you $1.50 to get the article, but
you can read the whole thing for yourself from a publicly available
source. Covington's charges are always attributed to anonymous others
whose existence can't even be shown, let alone that they actually know
what they are supposedly talking about.

Compare what Klassen did with his life to what the creep Covington has
accomplished in his. Although I never liked Klassen's "church", or was a
follower of his, I must say that Klassen is 1000 times more deserving of
respect than Covington ever will be. Much of Covington's hate towards
Klassen is motivated by his venomous envy, especially for Klassen's
wealth. The same spite motivates Covington's hate for Dr. William Pierce
and the National Alliance. Covington hates anyone who has been more
successful than he is - and it's pretty easy to be more successful than
Covington.

[Begin Times article excerpt]

"TO LEARN ABOUT THE ROOTS OF THE CHURCH OF THE CREATOR, ONE HAS to
travel to western North Carolina, to the tiny rural town of Otto, just
shy of the Georgia border. It's a pretty place, dotted with wildflowers
and surrounded by rolling hills. The community, too small to be
incorporated as a city, consists of a couple of gas stations, a few craft
shops, a home-style restaurant, post office, flea market and country
music hall.
For more than a decade, it was also the home of Ben Klassen, founder
and driving force behind the Church of the Creator. Klassen, who first
registered the COTC in 1973 in Lighthouse Point, Fla., moved to Otto
permanently in 1982. There, on his 22-acre property, he built a house of
worship, an oddly shaped three-story church, complete with the COTC's
white-power insignia. He also built a small warehouse, for stockpiling
the group's extensive array of publications, and a little-used school for
gifted (white) boys.
According to townsfolk, Klassen was intelligent, philosophical and
quiet, a polite man who kept to himself. He lived with his wife and
daughter in a large but simple A-frame home overlooking his church, in a
secluded sub-development whose entrance bears the sign: PRIVATE ROAD,
PROPERTY OWNERS ONLY, NO TRESPASSING.
But if Klassen wasn't active in Otto, his ideas were well known around
town. "I got along with Ben just fine. Now, I sure didn't get along with
his beliefs, but I figured he had a right to them," says J. J. Ayers, a
Klassen neighbor just back from Sunday service at the local Baptist
church. "He'd get all stirred up about the n- - - -rs and the Jews--he
hated them. And he made that pretty clear," adds the 79-year-old farmer.
The community left him to his own devices. As one longtime resident of
this dry Bible Belt county explained: "Our pastor told us just to sit
still and not do anything and let God take care of it."
Ben Klassen was born in Ukraine to German-speaking Mennonite parents.
His family, described in his books as "early victims of Jewish
Communism," lived briefly in Mexico and then moved to Canada, where he
earned a degree in electrical engineering and a bachelor of arts. In
1945, Klassen settled in the United States and became a citizen three
years later. He had a varied career: He was a farmer, a schoolteacher, a
nickel miner, an engineer, a realtor and a Republican state assemblyman
in Florida for a short time. Klassen was also the inventor of one of the
first electric can openers and, in later life, an accomplished oil
painter. (Speculation over where Klassen's money was made--he admitted
pouring a small fortune into the COTC--is divided between the can opener
and real estate.) But Klassen's greatest achievement, he believed, was
creating a religion for the white race, a group he dubbed "Nature's
Finest."
Disillusioned by the ultraconservative John Birch Society, to which he
belonged during the 1960s, and fed up with party politics after working
on the 1968 presidential campaign of George Wallace's American
Independent Party, Klassen developed his own ideology. In 1938, when he
was 20, he had borrowed "Mein Kampf" from the library. "The book . . .
was to influence my life more than any other," he wrote later. It took
another 30 years, but it was at this young age that "the vague outlines"
for his "full-fledged racial religion for the White Volk" began to take
shape. That religion would become Creativity: a creed that maintains that
one's race is one's religion.
"It is hard to tell at this point in history whether the n- - - -rs,
or the Mexicans, or the Cubans, or the Haitians are the biggest threat to
the White Race in America," wrote Klassen in a July, 1990, issue of
Racial Loyalty. "The point is they all are, as are the . . . other mud
races who are starving in their own countries and want to get on the
backs of the White Man's generous subsidy."
Klassen was not, by most accounts, a charismatic leader. In public
appearances, he favored a bolo tie with the COTC's emblem and a
painted-on Hitler-style mustache. But he was a prolific writer: During
his 20 years as head of the COTC, he pumped out racist propaganda at a
prodigious rate--more than 15 books, including the organization's three
sacred texts: "The White Man's Bible," "Nature's Eternal Religion" and
"Salubrious Living," a guide to healthy habits for white warriors that he
co-authored. Klassen also wrote many of the diatribes in Racial Loyalty,
signing off with "For a Whiter and Brighter World, Creatively Yours."
Though Klassen didn't know it at the time, his writings would later
position the COTC as a front-runner in the new world order of racism.
Some of his books are considered classics in today's white-power
movement, and Racial Loyalty is regarded as "good" hate literature both
in the United States and abroad, where such publications are hard to come
by; in Germany and Canada, for example, it is illegal. The paper has
features like "Cupid's Corner," a matchmaking service for finding the
right--white--mate: "White Men and Women, be fruitful and multiply! This
planet is all ours!"
Although Klassen claimed that his creation was a religion, he had
mixed success convincing government officials of that notion. In 1982,
when he built his church in Otto, the organization was granted tax
exemption "as a bona fide nonprofit religious organization" from the
North Carolina Department of Revenue--a "fact" Klassen cited repeatedly.
What Klassen failed to make public, however, was that the state's
approval was contingent on a federal government ruling, and the IRS has
no record of an exemption."

[stuff about Klassen's tax exemption fight deleted]

"Along with the COTC's problems, Klassen faced personal difficulties in
1992. His wife of many decades died after a long battle with cancer. In
July, he sold most of his compound, including the church and school, to a
former leader of the American Nazi Party. Although the Otto headquarters
had never been a hive of activity, he firmly believed he had "succeeded
in spreading . . . our creed and program to most of the racially
conscious groups all over the world and our creed is now well rooted," as
he wrote upon his retirement.
During this past summer, the 75-year-old Klassen began work on his
final project. He had registered a part of his remaining land for a
burial plot and was seen clearing it. He went into town to arrange for
his gravestone, and on his property he burned shredded documents and took
other files to a landfill. On Aug. 7, Klassen quietly committed suicide.
His daughter, who had been visiting her father, discovered that he had
taken an overdose of sleeping pills. A suicide note--not made
public--referred to a chapter in "The White Man's Bible." In the book,
Klassen wrote: "Suicide (is) not dishonorable. Like the ancient Romans we
believe that under certain circumstances suicide is an honorable way to
die, rather than live on in shame, humiliation or captivity."
Speculation surrounding his suicide has swelled in recent months. Some
say Klassen feared a lawsuit because of the wave of violent crimes by
COTC members. Others say he was despondent over his wife's death. Still
others contend that it was a simple matter of his life's work being done.
Klassen would no doubt be pleased that his meticulous planning has
resulted in an impressive memorial. On a fall day in Otto, his former
property--a little shabby from neglect--is ringed by the reds, burnt
oranges and golden hues that mark the changing of the seasons. Tucked
between the church and Klassen's home is a thin strip of grass--freshly
mowed--that leads to his grave. A large, gray tombstone bears the Church
of the Creator's insignia, and beneath two carved roses bracketing
Klassen's name, and the years 1918-1993, is the inscription: HE GAVE THE
WHITE PEOPLE OF THE WORLD A POWERFUL RACIAL RELIGION OF THEIR OWN."

[end Times article excerpt]

NSWPP

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My written comments about Klassen's "Sexuality", if you want to
call it that, have always been based on personal contact with young men
who were propositioned or were sexually "involved" with Klassen,
usually for money. This included Dennis Witherspoon, who was (in my
view) murdered because he refused to keep quiet about Klassen's
homosexual rape of him.

I have repeatedly published several first-hand accounts of young
men who had homosexual "encounters" or propositions from Klassen. They
have all been simply ignored. Movement people, more so than others,
believe what they want to believe.

Any news articles, from the L.A. Times or otherwise, are
irrelevant. Benny Klassen was a faggot.

Winston Smith
www.nswpp.org


NSWPP

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I repeat: David Lane has never mentioned any of these criticisms in
his correspondence with me, although it's true that correspondence has
lapsed since Big Katie came on the scene. (A common complaint, I
understand---a LOT of people have experienced strange lapses in their
correspondence with David since Big K. came on the scene.)

Winston Smith
www.nswpp.org


NSWPP

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[from RESISTANCE #27, April 1993]


DOES BENNY TAKE US ALL FOR FOOLS?
Then Again, Why Not? It Worked For Twenty Years..

Jewish pederast Benny Klassen is trying on the most blatant,
profoundly cynical ploy ever witnessed in the racial nationalist
Movement. Judging from our past track record in dealing with him, he'll
probably get away with it. Again.

For those of you who came in late, Benny Klassen is a Simon
Wiesenthal look-alike who, for a period of twenty years, ran a bizarre
cult called the "Church of the Creator", first out of Palm Beach,
Florida and then out of an ashram in Otto, North Carolina. Klassen has
been compromised since day one by questions on the source of his
millions of dollars of personal wealth, by allegations of homosexuality
which have gained him the nickname of "Old Benny Buttfuck", accusations
of Jewish birth, and unanswered questions about a number of extremely
suspicious deaths associated with his cult.


The rest of this post is a tirade by a weird droid in Colorado
named Steve Justus who has decided that William L. Pierce is God.

Justus's posts indicate more clearly than ever that the National
Alliance problem is a psychiatric one, not a political or racial one.

NSWPP

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Since Steve Justus apparently finds the subject of Benny Klassen's
perversions so fascinating, we will give him more Benny Buttfuck than
he can stand.

I am going to have to very severely edit the statement of Chip
Myers in order to comply with a court injunction received here on June
30th, 1997, but even a bowdlerized version should prove of interest.
We'll start with that, later on today, then I'll see what choice bits
of buggery I can come up with out of my Klassen file.


Winston Smith
www.nswpp.org


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Switzerland Says No More Money For Holocaust Fund

BASEL, Switzerland (August 29, 1997 10:52 p.m. EDT) -- The Swiss
government says it will provide no additional money to a fund for needy
Holocaust survivors, despite international pressure for more
restitution to the victims.

"Government funding to boost the Holocaust fund is out of the
question," Foreign Minister Flavio Cotti was quoted by Friday's
independent Bund newspaper as saying.

The Holocaust fund was set up earlier this year after international
criticism that Swiss banks are sitting on millions -- if not billions
--in Jewish assets.

It contains $113 million donated by private banks and companies. The
Swiss National Bank has pledged an additional $67 million. The
government so far has refused to give taxpayers' money pending the
outcome of an independent inquiry into the extent of Swiss
collaboration with the Nazis in World War II.

U.S. Undersecretary of State Stuart Eizenstat recently proposed that
the financing be increased, although he did not specify the amount.

Although the Swiss are anxious to make amends for World War II wrongs,
they are standing increasingly firm against what they perceive to be
unfair foreign demands. Cotti said in the newspaper interview that the
government would react in a "determined manner against exaggerated
accusations."

The Holocaust fund has been dogged by bureaucratic delays and wrangling
over Jewish membership of the seven-member executive board.

Arguing among Jewish groups over who should distribute the money is to
blame for some of the delays, said Thomas Borer, who coordinates a
Swiss task force on the World War II era.

"We were always told that there were Holocaust survivors dying daily
and we Swiss banks and the government were dragging our feet," Borer
said at a news conference.

"But to my shock I find there's a lot of quarreling going on (about)
which organization should have the money and which should give it."

At its first meeting last month, the fund's board agreed to pay $12
million on an urgent basis to destitute Holocaust survivors in Eastern
Europe. But no money has yet been dispensed.

Avraham Burg, chairman of Israel's Jewish Agency, raised a further
complication Thursday by demanding that the World Jewish Restitution
Organization -- and not a Swiss-funded secretariat -- should administer
the money. He also demanded that the next meeting of the fund's council
be held in Jerusalem and not Switzerland.

Borer said he planned to discuss the situation with Burg. Both are in
Basel attending the centennial ceremonies of the First World Zionist
Congress.

Borer ruled out Burg's demands to overhaul the fund management, saying
that it had been fixed in conjunction with the restitution organization
-- a New York-based body that tries to ensure that lost or looted
property and money is returned to Jews.

By CLARE NULLIS, The Associated Press

John Morris

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In <5ubb94$t...@fridge-nf0.shore.net>, on Sun, 31 Aug 1997 08:50:37 GMT,
allan_m...@bigfoot.com (Allan Matthews) wrote:

>In article <340948...@concentric.net>, mi...@concentric.net wrote:
>>John Morris wrote:

>>> In <5ua07a$j...@fridge-nf0.shore.net>, on Sat, 30 Aug 1997 20:35:48
>>> GMT, allan_m...@bigfoot.com (Allan Matthews) wrote:

>>> >In article <34062b60...@nntp.idsonline.com>, radc...@gmu.edu wrote:

>>> >>If Jerry Abbott has made enemies like these losers he must be doing
>>> >>something very very right.

>>> >No, actually, he's a complete shit for brains. Just like you.

>>> >Ah, September, when college newbie racist morons crawl out from under the
>>> >woodwork and creep onto Usenet to let us all know how dumb they are.

>>> Well, do be too exercised.

>>That's what Morris wrote. But what Morris is _trying_ to say here is
>>that you, Allan Matthews, are once again letting everyone know how
>>"dumb" _you_ are. SURPRISE!
>
>No, somehow I doubt that's what John's trying to say. Afterall, he's an
>intelligent gentleman, unlike you. If anything I'm guilty of being naive -
>actually believing that radc...@gmu.edu was a real e-mail address. Silly
>me, what could I have been thinking? Afterall, you White Power Morons almost
>always post from fake addresses like the sniveling cowards that you are.

What I meant to type was "*don't* be too exercised" about "Radcliffe"
being a racist college student, since she is not likely a college
student at all.

And I wasn't thinking that you were naive, much less dumb. No one can
check the authenticity of even a significant portion of e-mail
headers. We usually take it on faith that we are talking to at least a
consistent persona until we have reason to believe otherwise (we have
to be ontological realists, or we wouldn't be able to get out of bed
in the morning).

But I do have a thing about college racists. First, I encounter them
so very rarely that I am suspicious when I do, and, second, I am
curious about what kind of university fails so badly at teaching
critical thinking skills to its students. Fortunately, GMU has not
failed with anyone named Betsy Marsh or Karen Radcliffe.

NSWPP

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In <5uffjs$b...@camel2.mindspring.com> whit...@mindspring.com (Will
Williams) writes:

David and Katya will be glad to hear your opinions, I'm sure. You have
>no relationship with David Lane or the Fourteen Word Press, through
>"correspondence" or otherwise. You are a liar and plagiarist of the
>highest order, exploiting the words of David Lane and others for your
>own advantage.
>

Isn't it odd, Will, that for the past eight years, not one single
time have you ever found within yourself the necessary courage to say
words like this to my face? That even now, you must hire someone else
to do your confronting for you?

And you know something, Will? Everybody else in the Movement has
noticed this little fact.

NSWPP

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In <5uf0ba$l...@camel12.mindspring.com> whit...@mindspring.com (Will
Williams) writes:

May the bird of paradise fly up your nose!
May an elephant caress you with his toes!
May your wife be blessed with runners in her hose!
May the bird of paradise fly up your nose!

Steve Justus

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>[from RESISTANCE #27, April 1993]
>
>
> DOES BENNY TAKE US ALL FOR FOOLS?
> Then Again, Why Not? It Worked For Twenty Years..
>
>
> Jewish pederast Benny Klassen is trying on the most blatant,
>profoundly cynical ploy ever witnessed in the racial nationalist
>Movement. Judging from our past track record in dealing with him, he'll
>probably get away with it. Again.
>
> For those of you who came in late, Benny Klassen is a Simon
>Wiesenthal look-alike who, for a period of twenty years, ran a bizarre
>cult called the "Church of the Creator", first out of Palm Beach,
>Florida and then out of an ashram in Otto, North Carolina. Klassen has
>been compromised since day one by questions on the source of his
>millions of dollars of personal wealth, by allegations of homosexuality
>which have gained him the nickname of "Old Benny Buttfuck", accusations
>of Jewish birth, and unanswered questions about a number of extremely
>suspicious deaths associated with his cult.
[other rubbish deleted]

This is classic Covington drivel - the "questions", "allegations", and
"accusations" all come from Covington himself, and are fabricated from
whole cloth. I may deal with some of his other garbage later, such as the
"murder" of one Harry Kelly in 1989, but let's examine the question of his
wealth. Covington claimed Klassen was set up with his money by the
Anti-Defamation League of B'nai Brith or some other Jewish outfit so they
could run their own opposition outfit. Of course, he just "suspected"
these things - he couldn't really (surprise!) provide any evidence that
this was true.

Well, the Los Angeles Times ran an article in their Sunday magazine
section on December 12, 1993 entitled "Marketing Hate" by Sarah Henry.
Although the article was mostly about the short-lived attempt by Klassen
successor Rick McCarty to market the COTC, it did contain some excellent
background material on Klassen. Here's what the Times article said about
his wealth and ancestry, among other things:

"Ben Klassen was born in Ukraine to German-speaking Mennonite parents.
His family, described in his books as "early victims of Jewish
Communism," lived briefly in Mexico and then moved to Canada, where he
earned a degree in electrical engineering and a bachelor of arts. In
1945, Klassen settled in the United States and became a citizen three
years later. He had a varied career: He was a farmer, a schoolteacher, a
nickel miner, an engineer, a realtor and a Republican state assemblyman
in Florida for a short time. Klassen was also the inventor of one of the
first electric can openers and, in later life, an accomplished oil
painter. (Speculation over where Klassen's money was made--he admitted
pouring a small fortune into the COTC--is divided between the can opener
and real estate.) But Klassen's greatest achievement, he believed, was
creating a religion for the white race, a group he dubbed "Nature's
Finest.""

Well, there you have it. Klassen made his money on the electric can opener
and real estate. Since Klassen was selling Florida real estate at a time
when south Florida had a large population increase from immigration and
retirees seeking warmer climes, it's no surprise he made a lot of money
doing it. Compare Klassen's career to that of the contemptible Covington
and ask yourself who did more - or whom you would regard as more
trustworthy.

Covington's claims of Klassen's Jewish ancestry are equally idiotic. He
claimed in his slander sheet "Resistance" that the proof resided in
certain unspecified papers printed in south Florida. Naturally, he didn't
have those papers, nor could he tell you where to find them, or even what
they were. This lie is really laughable in view of his claim that he
didn't know his Fuhrer in the National Socialist Party of America, Frank
Collin, was a Jew and a homosexual until Covington engineered his
expulsion and arrest on child molestation charges in 1979.

Collin's parents were alive and living in the Chicago area, where the NSPA
was headquartered. They heard of their son Frankie's activities and had an
interesting story to tell the news media - several years before Collin was
expelled. Syndicated columnist Mike Royko wrote a article on their story,
which ran nationwide, and it was in all the major Chicago media. Collin's
parents said that they were Jews, and they couldn't understand why their
Frankie was running around in 1933 stormtrooper garb, leading a so-called
"Nazi" party. I remember seeing a picture of Collin's father in one story
showing off his concentration camp tattoos and spinning Dachau yarns for
the media. Yes, they were not just Jews, but "Holocaust survivors" as
well! In fact, Frankie the Fuhrer was born in the internment camp at
Dachau! Not the sort of place one would expect future Nazi leaders to be
born, is it?

Collin's response? "I don't know why they would say that." I do, Frankie -
because it's true. Yet Covington still denies that he knew anything about
his Fuhrer's Jewish background, even though the story was all over the
press several years before Collin's expulsion. Don't you read the papers,
Harold?

That's Covington for you. His Fuhrer's parents tell the news media that
they are Jews, and he knows nothing about it - at least until it was time
for Covington to launch a palace coup and make himself Fuhrer. Then, of
course, he immediately became "the Jew Frank Collin". But Klassen is a
Jew. Sure, Covington can't provide you with one iota of evidence, but take
his word for it. It's true because he says so, and he never lies. Do we
see a pattern here?

One last point - his comments that Klassen is a "Simon Wiesenthal
look-alike" are really a case of the pot calling the kettle black. Most of
Klassen's books have his picture on them, and he does not look like a
stereotypical Jew. There are few pictures of Covington in existence, and
once you see them, you'll know why. you'll also see why Covington doesn't
do public appearances. He looks like a grossly obese and ugly Orthodox
rabbi. Put him in the right clothes and you'd swear you were looking at
Rabbi Hymie Cohen, not Harold Covington. Only someone who projects every
personal failing of his own onto his targets of character assassination
would do something like this, but that's Covington.

Kevin Alfred Strom

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Steve Justus wrote:
> ...
> ...

>
> Speaking only for myself,
> Steve Justus


Thanks for the extremely enlightening post -- I hope it has a wide
circulation, as Convict-on in Charleston makes up for his total lack of
meaningful response by posting megs upon megs of irrelevancies and
insults, and appending newly-titled and unrelated messages to threads
that contain the truth about him in an effort to distract and confuse the
casual reader.

With all good wishes,

--


Kevin Alfred Strom.

*please note my new e-mail address*

mailto:kevin...@innocent.com

Resources on the Internet (Not all are affiliated with me; I speak only
for myself.):

Patriotic Education --
http://www.natall.com http://www.natvan.com
Exalted European Art --
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An Incomplete Archive of My Usenet Posts, courtesy of the opposition --
http://search.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?people/s/strom.kevin.alfred/1996
Free Speech in Canada --
http://alpha.ftcnet.com/~freedom/
Politically Incorrect --
http://www.idir.net/~fenix/
Amateur Radio Operations on 3950 kHz --
http://www.usaor.net/users/ipm
Library of Yggdrasil --
http://www.88net.net/ygg/
Institute for Historical Review --
http://www.kaiwan.com/~ihrgreg/
Nationalist Resource Page --
http://www.stormfront.org/
The Zundelsite --
http://www.webcom.com/ezundel/english/
Tyndall Looks at Covington --
http://www.webcom.com/bnp/c18.html
The Incomparable Revilo Oliver --
http://www.natvan.com/FREESP/FREE9511C.HTML

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Will Williams wrote:

> Harold Covington wrote:


> >Will Williams writes:
>
> >>Beware the night of the long knives, Joker.
> >>

> > [Sigh....] Will, there is going to be no "Night of the Long
> >Knives", and you know it as well as I do. These constant threats of
> >yours are getting VERY silly indeed.
>
> I was referring to David Lane's words, Mr. word-twister:


>
> >--
> >THE ORDER'S DAVID LANE ON HAROLD COVINGTON'S COMBAT 18
>
> >"Those who cause dissension, whether consciously
> >or unconsciously, serve the enemy. They then become
> >the enemy and the enemy of our cause. The
> >leadership of C-18 are obviously Zionist agents or
> >they are so ignorant and dangerous that they might as
> >well be. It can no longer be tolerated. For
> >now, the bands will need to provide for their own
> >security. At the appropriate time, the enemy amongst
> >us will face a night of the long knives." - David Lane

As I opined in another newsgroup, based on the events of last Dec.
1st, the only thing Mr. Covington has to fear from the National
Alliance is the "night of the long feces" on his doorstep.

Wes Hightower
"Victory in Vidor"
THE NATIONALIST MOVEMENT


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<P>Will Williams wrote:
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE>Harold Covington wrote:
<BR>>Will Williams writes:

<P>>>Beware the night of the long knives, Joker.
<BR>>>
<BR>>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; [Sigh....] Will, there is going to be no "Night
of the Long
<BR>>Knives", and you know it as well as I do. These constant threats of
<BR>>yours are getting VERY silly indeed.

<P>I was referring to David Lane's words, Mr. word-twister:

<P>>--
<BR>>THE ORDER'S DAVID LANE ON HAROLD COVINGTON'S COMBAT 18

<P>>"Those who cause dissension, whether consciously
<BR>>or unconsciously, serve the enemy.&nbsp; They then become
<BR>>the enemy and the enemy of our cause.&nbsp; The
<BR>>leadership of C-18 are obviously Zionist agents or
<BR>>they are so ignorant and dangerous that they might as
<BR>>well be.&nbsp; It can no longer be tolerated.&nbsp; For
<BR>>now, the bands will need to provide for their own
<BR>>security.&nbsp; At the appropriate time, the enemy amongst
<BR>>us will face a night of the long knives." -&nbsp; David Lane</BLOCKQUOTE>
As I opi<TT>ned in another newsgroup, based on the events of last Dec.</TT>
<BR><TT>1st, the only thing Mr. Covington has to fear from the National</TT>
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NSWPP

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Hey, DUMMY!

Have you ever heard the term "bisexual"?

I sent you written copies of Chip Myers' statement and a mass of
other documentation on Klassen many years ago, Steve, as I did everyone
else on my list at the time. You have simply air-brushed it out of the
picture. You are perfectly aware of the fact that there is a large
body of anecdotal evidence (as in accounts from young men and also from
the Macon County sheriff, etc.) that pretty much put the nail in
Klassen's coffin as regards his perverse sexual tastes.

You KNOW this, Steve. And you are deliberately making posts to
Usenet which you KNOW PERFECTLY WELL TO BE FALSE.

This bird-brained National Alliance cult has corrupted your mind
and destroyed your personal integrity. It is like an acid of the soul;
it destroys everything it touches, and I am getting sick of it. I am
getting sick of National Alliance droids like who who know perfectly
well that they can make no logical argument excusing the behavior of
your precious guru Pierce or That Certain Someone---and so you fall
back on deliberate, malicious lying.

You are a disgrace, Steve.

Winston Smith
www.nswpp.org

NSWPP

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Readers are reminded that under the terms of a court injunction
received here on June 30th, 1997, I am legally prohibited from
responding to this post and the abusive and defamatory statements it
contains. Steve Justus is perfectly well aware of this fact. Like most
National Alliance members, he has decided that the court injunction is
an ideal opportunity for him to post lies to Usenet in the belief that
I cannot reply. The word for this is "cowardice".

Winston Smith
www.nswpp.org

Will Williams

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Dexter Pointfinger

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if this is true how come I never see it on TV?

Will Williams

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Harold Covington wrote:

>www.smear.org

David and Katya will be glad to hear your opinions, I'm sure. You have
no relationship with David Lane or the Fourteen Word Press, through
"correspondence" or otherwise. You are a liar and plagiarist of the
highest order, exploiting the words of David Lane and others for your
own advantage.

>>THE ORDER'S DAVID LANE ON HAROLD COVINGTON'S COMBAT 18:

Will Williams

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An apparently drunk Harold Covington wrote:

> My written comments about Klassen's "Sexuality", if you want to
>call it that, have always been based on personal contact with young men
>who were propositioned or were sexually "involved" with Klassen,
>usually for money. This included Dennis Witherspoon, who was (in my
>view) murdered because he refused to keep quiet about Klassen's
>homosexual rape of him.

Your lies are of the very worst type. There never has been anybody by
the name "Dennis Witherspoon" - any more than there is a "Winston
Smith" who runs a "nswpp."

> I have repeatedly published several first-hand accounts of young
>men who had homosexual "encounters" or propositions from Klassen. They
>have all been simply ignored. Movement people, more so than others,
>believe what they want to believe.

Your repeated malicious smears of a dead man who cannot defend himself
are ignored because you have been totally neutralized here on Usenet
as well as in the so-called "Movement." You are hereby relieved of
your duties as self-appointed editor of the "foremost insider 'poop
sheet' of the White resistance movement."

> Any news articles, from the L.A. Times or otherwise, are
>irrelevant. Benny Klassen was a faggot.

Bernhardt "Ben" Klassen was a dedicated "White Racial Comrade" and
"racial loyalist" (both terms he coined) of the highest order, and a
happily married husband of nearly 45 years and a loving father and
doting grandfather who loathed queers and had no use for hypocrites
and liars like Harold Covington either -- and he said so openly when
others dared not. Doing so draws the wrath of Covington's poison pen
or, now, his ubiquitous computer. After a while everyone is on to the
fact that "Winston Smith" is just "Wierd Harold" at it again and just
ignores him.

His storming of Usenet, starting at 'triangle.politics' has created a
big mess, but things will soon seek the proper new level on Usenet
with its users most likely having successfully policed itself by
turning on Covington with a vengeance after getting a bellyful.

>Winston "I love Big Brother" Smith
>www.gagged.org


Steve Justus

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Your "replies" are nothing more than booga-booga-booga trash anyway. You
had evry opportunity to reply in court, and you declined. Surely you know
that truth is an absolute defense against libel. So why didn't you use it?
Because you could get 12 people to believe O.J. is innocent, but you could
never get 12 people to get to believe that story.

Steve Justus

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In article <5uev0q$7...@dfw-ixnews12.ix.netcom.com>,
ns...@ix.netcom.com(NSWPP) wrote:

You're right, I've read your trash. I don't believe you have one iota of
intellectual homesty or integrity. There is no good evidence to show that
any of these people even exist, let alone that their stories are true. You
regularly hide any evidence which contradicts your stories, such as never
printing the fact that Klassen was married for over 40 years. I haven't
airbrushed anything out of my mind. What has happened is that after
reading your accounts, and other accounts that are publicly available -
NOT based on secret sources that no one can verify - I believe the other
people, and not you. That's galling to you, but tough. Only an idiot would
concoct that story about Klassen's money, which you studiously ignore. If
you lie about things like that, why should I believe your other trash?

I regard you as a true disgrace to evrything you claim to stand for. i've
told you privately on several occasions that I don't believe your stories,
and given you the reasons why. Now, with the Times article, you can see
for yourself. Enjoy!

Will Williams

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sju...@earthlink.net (Steve Justus) wrote:

>Harold Covington's claim that National Alliance member Will Williams is
>really John Doe #2 of Oklahoma City infamy is one the craziest claims ever
>made. Anyone believing that Covington is actually a source of news must
>have brown matter rather than gray matter for brains. Nevertheless, let's
>examine this libel to see why it's so nutty, and why it should discredit
>Covington forever.

>John Doe #2 was described in numerous news accounts as being 5'7" to 5'9"
>tall, in his early 20's, stocky build, with dark hair and an olive
>complexion. He is a known associate of McVeigh's and also has a tattoo on
>his arm. The tattoo is a sunwheel, a symbol from pagan Europe.

>I have met Will Williams once, and noted the following through personal
>observation. Will Williams was in his late 40's in 1995 (the time of the
>bombing), is 6 feet tall, medium to slender build, graying hair, light
>complexion, and no sunwheel tattoo. The John Doe #2 picture which has a
>full frontal view of him wearing a baseball cap bears some resemblance to
>Williams, which is the entire basis for Covington's claim, but not nearly
>as much as Covington would have you believe. There is nothing to connect
>Williams, who lives in North Carolina, to McVeigh at all.

Actually, I have very little gray hair, though I deserve a lot.

>You may think that Williams doesn't sound much like JD #2, and you're
>right, but Covington sure tries in his infamous libel "The Adventures of
>Mr. X", where he first made this insane claim. Williams could have put
>"Grecian formula" in his graying hair to darken it. The skin tone can be
>explained by a nice, deep suntan. How do we get Williams in Oklahoma,
>though? Well, someone allegedly saw him in Arizona, which is west of
>Oklahoma. Williams lives in North Carolina, which is east of Oklahoma.
>Therefore, he could have driven to Arizona and passed through Oklahoma on
>the way, setting off the bomb. Or something like that.

Yeah, Steve, I blew up the Alfred P. Murrah building on the way to the
gun shows Covington claims I set up at in Arizona and Nevada. This is
one of his best dream sequences.

>This is exceptionally lame "evidence", even for Covington, and Covington
>makes no attempt to explain away the 4 inch height difference or the 25
>year age difference that make the whole fable obviously false. Even an
>accomplished liar such as Covington has to work with the material he has
>on hand, and no one could make this whopper plausible. The fact that
>Williams COULD darken his hair and skin and travel to Oklahoma City
>doesn't show he ever DID, and Covington makes no effort to demonstrate he
>did do this. After all, if you shaved off Covington's rabbinical beard,
>put him on a strict program of diet and exercise, and had an expert team
>of doctors skilled in liposuction and plastic surgery work on him, you
>might be able to make Covington look as good as Rush Limbaugh does. The
>fact that you might be able to make Covington look like Limbaugh with
>enough work and money certainly doesn't show that Harold has been
>transformed in this fashion.

>There is no way this is an honest error that a cautious, well-intentioned
>researcher might make. Covington knows Will Williams better than I do, and
>I'm sure he knows perfectly well that a 6 foot man in his late 40's is not
>going to be mistaken for a 5'8" man in his early 20's. No, this whole
>sorry story is simply one the most unbelievable and outrageous lies
>Covington has ever concocted. It's so stupid, and so easily refuted, that
>a rational man would wonder why Covington ever said it in the first place.
>However, I doubt Covington is a rational man, and I leave it to one of his
>handful of brown-nosers to explain why he would tell such an idiotic lie -
>a lie even the National Enquirer wouldn't touch.

No, but Wake County District Court has listened to a few Covington
whoppers and Judge Gessner is not amused. The Court now has certified
Defendant Covington a liar.



>Most interestingly, there is a real suspect who fits the bill for John Doe
>#2 that Covington studiously avoids talking about. Covington knows who he
>is, since he ran an article from the Daily Telegraph of London, England in
>his slander sheet "Resistance" that contained several paragraphs on the
>man. With his fine sense of honesty, Covington censored those paragraphs

>from the Resistance article...

That sure is crooked of him.

"If it doesn't fit - you must omit!"
-Harold Covington
(stolen from Johnny Cochran)

>...He is Michael Brescia, now 24, a Philadelphia

I was told on good info that Strassmeir's dad is still a highly-placed
German official with loads of diplomatic immunity with which to shield
his son, Andy.

>I'm not relying on any "secret sources" for any of this information - most
>of it was published in the local newspaper. Ask yourself why Covington
>would print this insane "Will Williams is John Doe 2" theory, and ignore
>all the evidence that shows it isn't so. Than ask yourself if anything
>Covington says can be believed.

The answer appears to be an emphatic *NO*! We cannt believe *anything*
coming from Covington.

Omri Schwarz

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Steve Justus wrote:
> [sniporama]
This begs the question:

Why are members of the NA, an organization spouting supposedly
"warm and fuzzy" racism, who mean no violence, and just want a space
of their own (and "room to grow"), be rushing to the defense of a man
who openly advocated the murder of every Jew and other nonwhite
on the planet?
--
Omri "Jackal" "Onmy" "Hey You" Schwarz
From a brochure of a car rental firm in Tokyo:
When passenger of foot heave in sight, tootle the horn.
Trumpet him melodiously at first, but if he still obstacles
your passage then tootle him with vigor.

Will Williams

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Harold Covington wrote:
>Will Williams) writes:

>David and Katya will be glad to hear your opinions, I'm sure. You have
>>no relationship with David Lane or the Fourteen Word Press, through
>>"correspondence" or otherwise. You are a liar and plagiarist of the
>>highest order, exploiting the words of David Lane and others for your
>>own advantage.
>>

> Isn't it odd, Will, that for the past eight years, not one single


>time have you ever found within yourself the necessary courage to say
>words like this to my face? That even now, you must hire someone else
>to do your confronting for you?

I've hired no one. My goal is to neutralize you without having to look
at your ugly face. I'm almost there...

Nobody likes a liar!


NSWPP

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In <sjustus-0209...@1cust72.tnt14.dfw5.da.uu.net>
sju...@earthlink.net (Steve Justus) writes:

>Your "replies" are nothing more than booga-booga-booga trash anyway.
You
>had evry opportunity to reply in court, and you declined.


I prefer to reply in public, where everyone can hear what I have to
say---and I don't have to pay thousands of dollars to a shyster for the
privilege of saying it.

>Surely you knowthat truth is an absolute defense against libel. So why


>didn't you use it?
>

Truth is an absolute defense for those who can afford thousands of
dollars to play the game. I choose not to play this particular game.

And by the by, Steve, you are still a liar and a coward with a
yellow streak down your back for posting smears and lies about me you
know I am legally prohibited from responding to.

NSWPP

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In <340C6D...@antispam.mapsitna.MIT.EDU> Omri Schwarz


<ocsc...@antispam.mapsitna.MIT.EDU> writes:
>
>
>Steve Justus wrote:
>> [sniporama]
>This begs the question:
>
>Why are members of the NA, an organization spouting supposedly
>"warm and fuzzy" racism, who mean no violence, and just want a space
>of their own (and "room to grow"), be rushing to the defense of a man
>who openly advocated the murder of every Jew and other nonwhite
>on the planet?
>--
>

They are NOT defending me! - WS


NSWPP

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In <5ufjkp$5...@camel3.mindspring.com> whit...@mindspring.com (Will
Williams) writes:

>Your lies are of the very worst type. There never has been anybody by
>the name "Dennis Witherspoon" - any more than there is a "Winston
>Smith" who runs a "nswpp."
>

Then why did YOU tell me about the Witherspoon incident yourself in
1988, Will?


NSWPP

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Hell, why not for once do what these assholes accuse me of doing?

NSWPP

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In <5ufusd$u...@camel3.mindspring.com> whit...@mindspring.com (Will
Williams) writes:
\

>I've hired no one. My goal is to neutralize you without having to look
>at your ugly face. I'm almost there...
>
[Sigh...]

Will, you have done nothing of the kind.

Will, you WILL do nothing of the kind. I don't know what that
jackleg lawyer has been telling you, but you will not stop me from
posting to the Internet. You will not "seize the NSWPP". You will
not in any way, shape, or form hinder the growth of the Party.
You have not done so, and you WILL not do so. It is impossible
for you to do so. Neither you nor your lawyer have what it takes.

You say these things because you are living in a delusional
world of your own that has no relation of any kind to anything in
the real world.


Will Williams

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Convicted liar and professional smear artist, Harold Covington, wrote:
>Will Williams, bane to frauds, answering Defendant Covington's latest smear:

>>I've hired no one. My goal is to neutralize you without having to look
>>at your ugly face. I'm almost there...

> Will, you WILL do nothing of the kind. I don't know what that


>jackleg lawyer has been telling you, but you will not stop me from

>posting to the Internet...blah! blah!...

Maybe so, Tubby. But who in the world will listen to a convicted smear
artist and professional liar -- much less FOLLOW one? Your type will
have your day in a different court some day, Mr. Internet.

Please list for the Skinheads and revisionists and "White Power" folks
and people here in the "Triangle" who you've tried so diligently to
influence with your so-called "insider poop sheet" just who are the
approved White Leaders in your movement. Seems to me you've trashed
just about everybody -- and much moreso than any Jew I can think of.
Just list 'em right here:

1.) Harold Covington
2.)
3.)
4.)
5.)
6.)
7.)
8.)
9.)
10.)


Oh, I see, there are none. Well then, just name the ones who at least
endorse your 'nswpp'. Surely you can name nine of those brave souls
for us.


Jerry Abbott

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John Morris wrote:
>
> In <34062b60...@nntp.idsonline.com>, on Fri, 29 Aug 1997 01:53:10


> GMT, radc...@gmu.edu (Karen Radcliffe) wrote:
>
> >
> >If Jerry Abbott has made enemies like these losers he must be doing
> >something very very right.
>

> Whatever the ontological status of Jerry Abbott, Karen Radcliffe is
> definitely not real:

And a possible book idea for you, John, "On the Epistemology of
Ontological Authenticity." Or you could spruce up the title a bit more.

Jerry Abbott

Jerry Alden

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John Morris wrote:

> In <340948...@concentric.net>, on Sun, 31 Aug 1997 03:35:08 -0700,


> Michael Ives <mi...@concentric.net> wrote:
>
> >John Morris wrote:
>

> [snip]
>
> >> "Karen Radcliffe" is a forged userid for
> >> some idiot in Virginia with an idsonline.com account. So is the userid
> >> of her colleague "Betsy Marsh" and so is their gallant defender,
> >> "Michael Ives," another Virginian
>
> >This is false. I am not a Virginian. But you, Morris, appear to be an
> >idiot and a liar.
>
> Calling me an idiot and mistaken might be fairer. Your posting host is
> the Northern Virginia Internet Access Cooperative (nova.org). I
> assumed that you might be in Virginia in order to access nova.org
> without making a toll free call, but I suppose it would be toll free
> to Merrifield from just about anywhere inside the Beltway.
>
> Also, try to avoid using pronoun references that create vague
> antecedents. Not everything in the quoted text is false. For instance,
> it is true that "Karen Radcliffe," "Betsy Marsh," and "Michael Ives"
> are forged names.
>
> >> Final-Recipient: RFC822; mi...@concentric.net
> >> Action: failed
> >> Status: 5.1.1
> >> Remote-MTA: DNS; mailhost.concentric.net
> >> Diagnostic-Code: SMTP; 550 <mi...@concentric.net>... User unknown
> >> Last-Attempt-Date: Sat, 30 Aug 1997 20:12:39 -0600
> >> Return-Path: <John....@ualberta.ca>
>
> >Ah, too bad, Morris, your "ping o'death" failed again?
>
> "Ping o' death"? I was not aware that it was possible to ping an
> individual account through an SMTP server. Just goes to show how
> little I know.
>
> > Guess what, I
> >modified my return email address for just that reason.
>
> Now who's the idiot and liar? To be fair, of course, I should say
> "idiot and mistaken," since falsifying your e-mail address would not
> protect your domain from pinging.
>
> > Aren't you guys
> >issued Crays? Didn't Bronfman or Geffen see to that? You can try all
> >random combinations in an hour or two, right? Why not just try pinging
> >everyone in the world? Must get lonely up there where you are. Don't
> >worry, winter's coming.
>
> But you know as well as I that the reason you falsified your address
> was so that you could troll and Jew-bait without having to take
> responsibility for it.


>
> --
> John Morris <John....@UAlberta.CA>
> at University of Alberta <Scripture veteris capiunt exempla futuri>
> --
> The Nizkor Project is at http://www.nizkor.org/

How nice of you to come here and hide behind your fake ID John Morris and
bait others for your Niz Whorian terror organization. You make it so easy to
pinpoint the problem that Germany and Russia had with Jews like you. Always
trying to hide, to probe, to destroy people, to defuse movements, so that you
can get free Jew money for Israel from America, England, Germany, and all
other places where goyim whom you consider to be stuipd goats are willing to
feel guilty for your holohoax bull crap which is untrue and anti-German
defamation. When we prove that you lied, we will take you to the world court
and demand our money back dollar for dollar and interest on top of interest.
We will Jew the Jew the way they are Jewing all of us with their media
control, money control, bank control, market control, and one world order
control.

Why aren't you in Israel killing arabs, Jew? Why do you want to control all
of us this way, Jew?


Jerry Abbott

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Allan Matthews wrote:


>
> In article <34062b60...@nntp.idsonline.com>, radc...@gmu.edu wrote:
> >
> >If Jerry Abbott has made enemies like these losers he must be doing
> >something very very right.
>

> No, actually, he's a complete shit for brains. Just like you.
>
> Ah, September, when college newbie racist morons crawl out from under the
> woodwork and creep onto Usenet to let us all know how dumb they are.
>

> allan

Ah, Allan Matthews, gracious as ever I see. Allan is a smear artist
with Jewish sympathies who thinks he knows some physics. And I
graduated a long time ago.

Jerry Abbott

Jerry Abbott

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John Morris wrote:
>
> In <5ua07a$j...@fridge-nf0.shore.net>, on Sat, 30 Aug 1997 20:35:48


> GMT, allan_m...@bigfoot.com (Allan Matthews) wrote:
>
> >In article <34062b60...@nntp.idsonline.com>, radc...@gmu.edu wrote:
>
> >>If Jerry Abbott has made enemies like these losers he must be doing
> >>something very very right.
>
> >No, actually, he's a complete shit for brains. Just like you.
>
> >Ah, September, when college newbie racist morons crawl out from under the
> >woodwork and creep onto Usenet to let us all know how dumb they are.
>

> Well, do be too exercised. "Karen Radcliffe" is a forged userid for


> some idiot in Virginia with an idsonline.com account. So is the userid
> of her colleague "Betsy Marsh" and so is their gallant defender,

> "Michael Ives," another Virginian posting from nova.org:


>
> Final-Recipient: RFC822; mi...@concentric.net
> Action: failed
> Status: 5.1.1
> Remote-MTA: DNS; mailhost.concentric.net
> Diagnostic-Code: SMTP; 550 <mi...@concentric.net>... User unknown
> Last-Attempt-Date: Sat, 30 Aug 1997 20:12:39 -0600
> Return-Path: <John....@ualberta.ca>

So, basically, your academic position is a cover for your real job at
Nizkor. What do you teach, John?

Jerry Abbott

Jerry Abbott

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Allan Matthews wrote:

>
> In article <340948...@concentric.net>, mi...@concentric.net wrote:
> >John Morris wrote:
> >>
> >> In <5ua07a$j...@fridge-nf0.shore.net>, on Sat, 30 Aug 1997 20:35:48
> >> GMT, allan_m...@bigfoot.com (Allan Matthews) wrote:
> >>
> >> >In article <34062b60...@nntp.idsonline.com>, radc...@gmu.edu wrote:
> >>
> >> >>If Jerry Abbott has made enemies like these losers he must be doing
> >> >>something very very right.
> >>
> >> >No, actually, he's a complete shit for brains. Just like you.
> >>
> >> >Ah, September, when college newbie racist morons crawl out from under the
> >> >woodwork and creep onto Usenet to let us all know how dumb they are.
> >>
> >> Well, do be too exercised.
> >
> >That's what Morris wrote. But what Morris is _trying_ to say here is
> >that you, Allan Matthews, are once again letting everyone know how
> >"dumb" _you_ are. SURPRISE!
>
> No, somehow I doubt that's what John's trying to say. Afterall, he's an
> intelligent gentleman, unlike you. If anything I'm guilty of being naive -
> actually believing that radc...@gmu.edu was a real e-mail address. Silly
> me, what could I have been thinking? Afterall, you White Power Morons almost
> always post from fake addresses like the sniveling cowards that you are.
>
> allan

Aside from risking viruses and e-mail bombs, what courage does it take
to post a genuine e-mail address? Mine's real--send me a post and I'll
mail a reply. Mind, just send one.

Jerry Abbott

Jerry Abbott

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John Morris wrote:
>
> In <5ubb94$t...@fridge-nf0.shore.net>, on Sun, 31 Aug 1997 08:50:37 GMT,

> allan_m...@bigfoot.com (Allan Matthews) wrote:
>
> >In article <340948...@concentric.net>, mi...@concentric.net wrote:
> >>John Morris wrote:
>
> >>> In <5ua07a$j...@fridge-nf0.shore.net>, on Sat, 30 Aug 1997 20:35:48
> >>> GMT, allan_m...@bigfoot.com (Allan Matthews) wrote:
>
> >>> >In article <34062b60...@nntp.idsonline.com>, radc...@gmu.edu wrote:
>
> >>> >>If Jerry Abbott has made enemies like these losers he must be doing
> >>> >>something very very right.
>
> >>> >No, actually, he's a complete shit for brains. Just like you.
>
> >>> >Ah, September, when college newbie racist morons crawl out from under the
> >>> >woodwork and creep onto Usenet to let us all know how dumb they are.
>
> >>> Well, do be too exercised.
>
> >>That's what Morris wrote. But what Morris is _trying_ to say here is
> >>that you, Allan Matthews, are once again letting everyone know how
> >>"dumb" _you_ are. SURPRISE!
> >
> >No, somehow I doubt that's what John's trying to say. Afterall, he's an
> >intelligent gentleman, unlike you. If anything I'm guilty of being naive -
> >actually believing that radc...@gmu.edu was a real e-mail address. Silly
> >me, what could I have been thinking? Afterall, you White Power Morons almost
> >always post from fake addresses like the sniveling cowards that you are.
>
> What I meant to type was "*don't* be too exercised" about "Radcliffe"
> being a racist college student, since she is not likely a college
> student at all.
>
> And I wasn't thinking that you were naive, much less dumb. No one can
> check the authenticity of even a significant portion of e-mail
> headers. We usually take it on faith that we are talking to at least a
> consistent persona until we have reason to believe otherwise (we have
> to be ontological realists, or we wouldn't be able to get out of bed
> in the morning).
>
> But I do have a thing about college racists. First, I encounter them
> so very rarely that I am suspicious when I do, and, second, I am
> curious about what kind of university fails so badly at teaching
> critical thinking skills to its students. Fortunately, GMU has not
> failed with anyone named Betsy Marsh or Karen Radcliffe.

>
> --
> John Morris <John....@UAlberta.CA>
> at University of Alberta <Scripture veteris capiunt exempla futuri>
> --
> The Nizkor Project is at http://www.nizkor.org/

John, you might not realize that you have said much more about your own
information network than you have about Karen Radcliffe.

Jerry Abbott

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Jerry Abbott wrote:

>
> Karen Radcliffe wrote:
> >
> > If Jerry Abbott has made enemies like these losers he must be doing
> > something very very right.
>
> Thank you. I weave in and out of here because of my schedule, but I'm
> glad I didn't miss your note.
>
> Jerry Abbott

Aha! This must have been the note which sent John Morris off on his
vendetta against Karen. Fortunately, she had the sense to modify her
return address so his ping o'death/mailbomb couldn't get to her. Or did
it? We haven't heard from her in awhile.

Morris (who says he has not received his check from Nizkor) gets
infuriated when someone like Karen tries to exercise her right to free
speech.

Jerry Abbott

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John Morris wrote:
>
> In <340948...@concentric.net>, on Sun, 31 Aug 1997 03:35:08 -0700,

> Michael Ives <mi...@concentric.net> wrote:
>
> >John Morris wrote:
>

> [snip]


>
> >> "Karen Radcliffe" is a forged userid for
> >> some idiot in Virginia with an idsonline.com account. So is the userid
> >> of her colleague "Betsy Marsh" and so is their gallant defender,
> >> "Michael Ives," another Virginian
>

> >This is false. I am not a Virginian. But you, Morris, appear to be an
> >idiot and a liar.
>
> Calling me an idiot and mistaken might be fairer. Your posting host is
> the Northern Virginia Internet Access Cooperative (nova.org). I
> assumed that you might be in Virginia in order to access nova.org
> without making a toll free call, but I suppose it would be toll free
> to Merrifield from just about anywhere inside the Beltway.
>
> Also, try to avoid using pronoun references that create vague
> antecedents. Not everything in the quoted text is false. For instance,
> it is true that "Karen Radcliffe," "Betsy Marsh," and "Michael Ives"
> are forged names.
>

> >> Final-Recipient: RFC822; mi...@concentric.net
> >> Action: failed
> >> Status: 5.1.1
> >> Remote-MTA: DNS; mailhost.concentric.net
> >> Diagnostic-Code: SMTP; 550 <mi...@concentric.net>... User unknown
> >> Last-Attempt-Date: Sat, 30 Aug 1997 20:12:39 -0600
> >> Return-Path: <John....@ualberta.ca>
>

> >Ah, too bad, Morris, your "ping o'death" failed again?
>
> "Ping o' death"? I was not aware that it was possible to ping an
> individual account through an SMTP server. Just goes to show how
> little I know.
>
> > Guess what, I
> >modified my return email address for just that reason.
>
> Now who's the idiot and liar? To be fair, of course, I should say
> "idiot and mistaken," since falsifying your e-mail address would not
> protect your domain from pinging.
>
> > Aren't you guys
> >issued Crays? Didn't Bronfman or Geffen see to that? You can try all
> >random combinations in an hour or two, right? Why not just try pinging
> >everyone in the world? Must get lonely up there where you are. Don't
> >worry, winter's coming.
>
> But you know as well as I that the reason you falsified your address
> was so that you could troll and Jew-bait without having to take
> responsibility for it.

"Responsibility," John? Let's be more specific. In what way do you
think that someone can be held "responsible" for not liking Jews, apart
from being verbally criticized for it? (Which, by itself, is not
something that many people would worry about.)

Jerry Abbott

Jerry Alden

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John Morris wrote:

> In <5ubb94$t...@fridge-nf0.shore.net>, on Sun, 31 Aug 1997 08:50:37 GMT,
> allan_m...@bigfoot.com (Allan Matthews) wrote:
>

> >In article <340948...@concentric.net>, mi...@concentric.net wrote:
> >>John Morris wrote:
>

> >>> In <5ua07a$j...@fridge-nf0.shore.net>, on Sat, 30 Aug 1997 20:35:48
> >>> GMT, allan_m...@bigfoot.com (Allan Matthews) wrote:
>

> >>> >In article <34062b60...@nntp.idsonline.com>, radc...@gmu.edu wrote:
>
> >>> >>If Jerry Abbott has made enemies like these losers he must be doing
> >>> >>something very very right.
>

It's really none of your business, you Niz Whorian. You Jewish Niz-Nazis are
certainly followers of Hitler's terror, innuendo, and persecution. You want to know
everyone's business so that you can put it down into your little Jew book and
hassle people. Someone needs to circumsize you fingers so you can't even use the
keyboard, Niz-Nazi Whore. Where's your swastiki, Mr. Jewish Niz-Nazi?

What's your real name, address, phone number, email address? You who want others to
tell theirs. You whore. Hitler could have used you. He could have easily have
gotten you to turn in all of the Jews for whatever use he had. Your favorite game
is trying to find out who thinks this and who thinks that. Niz Whorian Jew Niz-Nazi
Prick secret JDL agent. Go to Massada and off yourself you little idiot. Your time
will come.

When the night of the long knives arrives, their necks will break like sticks.

Impudence and hatred of whites and European patriots like that of the Niz-Nazis
toward common Americans is like none other in the world. They have answered our
tolerance with insolence and hatred against us. Such injustice cries out for
revenge.


Michael Ives

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> John Morris wrote:
(and I missed)

>
> > In <340948...@concentric.net>, on Sun, 31 Aug 1997 03:35:08 -0700,
> > Michael Ives <mi...@concentric.net> wrote:
> >...

> > >Ah, too bad, Morris, your "ping o'death" failed again?
> >
> > "Ping o' death"? I was not aware that it was possible to ping an
> > individual account through an SMTP server. Just goes to show how
> > little I know.

The opportunity to learn presents itself every day.

> >
> > >Guess what, I
> > >modified my return email address for just that reason.
> >
> > Now who's the idiot and liar? To be fair, of course, I should say
> > "idiot and mistaken," since falsifying your e-mail address would not
> > protect your domain from pinging.

Nor would that be my intention in doing so. However, I would certainly
endeavor to preotect everything I could from the likes of you. My
country even.

> >
> > > Aren't you guys
> > >issued Crays? Didn't Bronfman or Geffen see to that? You can try all
> > >random combinations in an hour or two, right? Why not just try pinging
> > >everyone in the world? Must get lonely up there where you are. Don't
> > >worry, winter's coming.
> >
> > But you know as well as I that the reason you falsified your address
> > was so that you could troll and Jew-bait without having to take
> > responsibility for it.

Another John Morris lie(tm). What might "responsibility" entail,
anyway? A jail sentence? Summary execution? Or just a big, fat
_judgment,_ the kind you guys live for?
Wouldn't you really be happier torturing Palestinian children? The
return is more immediate, isn't it? The fact is, you can't send _any_
destructive packets my way, and it's driving you _mad._ Which seems to
have been a short trip.

John Morris

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In <340F2340...@ix.netcom.com>, on Thu, 04 Sep 1997 16:08:16
-0500, Jerry Abbott <j...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:

[snip]

>"Responsibility," John? Let's be more specific. In what way do you
>think that someone can be held "responsible" for not liking Jews, apart
>from being verbally criticized for it? (Which, by itself, is not
>something that many people would worry about.)

Apart from being verbally criticised? Why, nothing at all.

And when "Michael Ives" toddles back into the discussion (to which he
has yet to make a serious contribution) in a new persona, it will all
start again as if he were a completely new person. It's a tawdry
proaganda game, but I think it is worthwhile pointing it out.

Wouldn't you point it out if the shoe were on the other foot?

John Morris

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In <340F2BB4...@bigfoot.com>, on Thu, 04 Sep 1997 16:44:24
-0500, Jerry Alden <jerry...@bigfoot.com> wrote:

[snip]

>It's really none of your business, you Niz Whorian. You Jewish Niz-Nazis are
>certainly followers of Hitler's terror, innuendo, and persecution. You want to know
>everyone's business so that you can put it down into your little Jew book and
>hassle people. Someone needs to circumsize you fingers so you can't even use the
>keyboard, Niz-Nazi Whore. Where's your swastiki, Mr. Jewish Niz-Nazi?

Mr. Alden, compose yourself!

(Which will go first? A blood vessel in his head or his keyboard?)

John Morris

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In <340F2222...@ix.netcom.com>, on Thu, 04 Sep 1997 16:03:30

-0500, Jerry Abbott <j...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:

[re: the fictional character, Karen Radcliffe]

>John, you might not realize that you have said much more about your own
>information network than you have about Karen Radcliffe.

You are such caution, little Jerry. My information network indeed.

My information network, as you so laughably call it, consists of
nslookup and whois from my unix shell account, the Excite E-mail
Lookup service at http://www.excite.com/Reference/email.html and, in
this case, the George Mason University Whois service at
http://www.gmu.edu/tools/whois.html

Find out some of the more common information tools available on the
Internet before you start imagining vast conspiracies, Newbie.

John Morris

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In <340F2D12...@bigfoot.com>, on Thu, 04 Sep 1997 16:50:13

-0500, Jerry Alden <jerry...@bigfoot.com> wrote:

[snip]

>How nice of you to come here and hide behind your fake ID John Morris and


>bait others for your Niz Whorian terror organization.

If you manage to stay conscious after so much hyperventilating, send
me an e-mail.

> You make it so easy to
>pinpoint the problem that Germany and Russia had with Jews like you.

I can just imagine the problems they had with Jews like me. ;-)

> Always
>trying to hide, to probe, to destroy people, to defuse movements, so that you
>can get free Jew money for Israel from America, England, Germany, and all
>other places where goyim whom you consider to be stuipd goats are willing to
>feel guilty for your holohoax bull crap which is untrue and anti-German
>defamation.

Now, now. I don't think all goyim are stupid goats. I might almost
think that *you* were a stupid goat, but I would probably have to
apologize for defaming stupid goats.

>When we prove that you lied, we will take you to the world court
>and demand our money back dollar for dollar and interest on top of interest.

When you prove I lied? Heh. You don't mind if I live a long life, grow
old, and die while I am waiting, do you?

In the previous post, you threatened to snap my neck like a pencil.
Which is it? Do you want me dead, or do you want your money back?

>We will Jew the Jew the way they are Jewing all of us with their media
>control, money control, bank control, market control, and one world order
>control.

>Why aren't you in Israel killing arabs, Jew? Why do you want to control all
>of us this way, Jew?

Blood vessel or keyboard? Blood vessel or keyboard? Hmm.

John Morris

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In <340F1D6F...@ix.netcom.com>, on Thu, 04 Sep 1997 15:43:27

-0500, Jerry Abbott <j...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:

[snip]

>So, basically, your academic position is a cover for your real job at
>Nizkor.

So basically, you are delusional or lying.

> What do you teach, John?

Which is it, Jerry?

This year I am not teaching so that I can finish my dissertation. Last
year I taught English 101 for the very first time. I put a lot of
emphasis on critical thinking skills such as logic, the nature of
evidence, support of claims, and the reliability of knowledge. The
conclusion I hoped to lead my students to was *not* that reality is
all just an illusion constructed out of language, but that
contingently reliable knowledge is available. "Quaecumque vera"
(whatsoever be true) is, after all, our school motto. Most of them
were scientists, so I wanted them to understand something of the
philosophical basis of their enterprise. I emphasized literature as a
mode of rhetoric and taught them how to distinguish rhetoric from
claims of fact. It was my hope that they would develop a skeptical,
questioning attitude towards the many pieties of modern society.
Whether they did was up to them.

Well, you did ask.

ELVIS

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>>> I like that. You think the nizkook can take a hint.

Jerry Alden <jerry...@bigfoot.com> wrote in article
<340F2BB4...@bigfoot.com>...

> > --
> > John Morris <John....@UAlberta.CA>
> > at University of Alberta <Scripture veteris capiunt exempla futuri>
> > --
> > The Nizkor Project is at http://www.nizkor.org/
>

> It's really none of your business, you Niz Whorian. You Jewish Niz-Nazis
are
> certainly followers of Hitler's terror, innuendo, and persecution. You
want to know
> everyone's business so that you can put it down into your little Jew book
and
> hassle people. Someone needs to circumsize you fingers so you can't even
use the
> keyboard, Niz-Nazi Whore. Where's your swastiki, Mr. Jewish Niz-Nazi?
>

NSWPP

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MORE ON PRINCESS DIE

Death scene photos taken by "paparazzi" won't be printed,
supposedly because National Enquirer et al. are taking some
kind of moral stand -- but isthat the real reason?
Or is that just *part* of the real reason?

And note the indignation concerning certain of the photographers
who have disappeared and gone into hiding. "What kind of
'journalists' are they?" snorts the mainstream press. "Why are
they hiding? Why won't they come to us with their crash-scene
photos?"

Some of the so-called "paparazzi" are actually
mainstream journalists. One, for instance, has covered Tiananmen
Square, Bosnia, and has worked as an AP photographer. Wouldn't
it be nice if these dreaded "paparazzi" (a demonizing term) were
interviewed during the current "Diana's dead" media frenzy? Dan
"Formaldehyde" Rather *did* interview one of them; but *that*
interviewee wasn't even there when it happened! He tells Rather
he arrived at the scene 15 minutes later. Too bad the rest of
the available "paparazzi" crew -- *eyewitnesses* -- are locked up
indefinitely in the judicial process (a la Tim McVeigh who
two-plus years after OKC hasn't been able to let loose with so
much as an Oswaldian "I didn't do it") and "can't" tell what they
know.

+ + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + +

For related stories, visit:
ttp://www.shout.net/~bigred/cn.html
http://feustel.mixi.net



John Davis

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Jerry Alden wrote:

> Allen Matthews, you are using a fake email address designed to hide your own
> true identity, and then you are calling out a patriot saying that she and other
> like her don't reveal themselves.

> Allen Matthews, I call upon you to hereby REVEALYOURSELF NOW! Give me your real
> name, address, city, zip code, area code, telephone number, ISP email address so
> that I can know who you are!

> The reason that persons don't use their identities here, as you well know, is that
> Niz Whore and their Pimps spend their time trying to "out" posters who are not PC.
> You corrupting Jew baiting white-hating monsters are known for your horrors. You,
> Allen Matthews, Jeffrey G. Brown, and your many other synonyms are the same sick
> son of a bitch.

> You have been mentioned on many kook areas and https across the internet. Your
> illicit baby, Niz Whore, is a terrorist anti-free speech artifact that archives
> and publishes articles by posters in the same manner that the Nazis kept long
> files on their enemies.

> You are low life trash.

> Jerry @ldren, and I'll be damned if you will have MY email address, you kook.

> None of you will. My university will remain ignorant of my posts and of your
> horror mouth, you JDL jerk. Go back to Russia and burn some more Christians that
> you hate so much, you big Jew provacateur.


Jerry, you will eventually see for yourself about how correct you are in
you observations. The very things they accuse others of doing, they
themselves are doing. They use e-mail routers and filters such as
BIGFOOT.COM and think nothing of it. I use JUNO.COM as a filter and they
get all bent out of shape. They say the Phoenix.net still shows. I don't
care if it does. I just want my e-mail to go where I have better control
if they resort to their e-mail bombs again. As for anyone's real name-
who really cares? They are the only ones that care but then again so
what? As far as I know Jeffrey G. Brown could be Morris Jerome
Finklestein and works as an ADL operative but then again who cares? I
surely don't but notice how absorbed they are in wanting to know who we
are! It makes you wonder what their motives truly are doesn't it!?

John Davis

--
Remove "spamfree." to send any e-mail to this account.

John Morris

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In <340FD2DC...@ix.netcom.com>, on Fri, 05 Sep 1997 04:37:32

-0500, Jerry Abbott <j...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:

[snip]

>Oh yes. I forgot while I was writing the reply to Morris that in Canada
>you can be thrown into jail for disagreeing with the Jews about subjects
>dear to their hearts. Thanks for reminding me.

Example?

John Morris

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In <340FD20E...@ix.netcom.com>, on Fri, 05 Sep 1997 04:34:06

-0500, Jerry Abbott <j...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:

>
>John Morris wrote:
>>
>> In <340F1D6F...@ix.netcom.com>, on Thu, 04 Sep 1997 15:43:27

>> -0500, Jerry Abbott <j...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:

>> [snip]

>> >So, basically, your academic position is a cover for your real job at
>> >Nizkor.

>> So basically, you are delusional or lying.

>I was guessing. I am still guessing, since I don't know how you divide
>your time between Nizkor and teaching.

Then don't state your guesses as if they were supportable claims of
fact.

But there is not much time to divide. I have contributed to all of
three documents on the Nizkor site: the HTML for the Reinhard FAQ,
some of the answers in the 66 QAR, and the Ball Challenge page (which
I only did because I volunteered to approach Ball as part of a larger
research project into his claims).

>> > What do you teach, John?

>> Which is it, Jerry?

>Was that question misplaced?

The question was irrelevant. The statement that my academic work is a
cover for my Nizkor involvement seems to me to arise from a mind
devoted both to paranoid conspiracy theories and casual slander.



>> This year I am not teaching so that I can finish my dissertation. Last
>> year I taught English 101 for the very first time. I put a lot of
>> emphasis on critical thinking skills such as logic, the nature of
>> evidence, support of claims, and the reliability of knowledge. The
>> conclusion I hoped to lead my students to was *not* that reality is
>> all just an illusion constructed out of language, but that
>> contingently reliable knowledge is available. "Quaecumque vera"
>> (whatsoever be true) is, after all, our school motto. Most of them
>> were scientists, so I wanted them to understand something of the
>> philosophical basis of their enterprise. I emphasized literature as a
>> mode of rhetoric and taught them how to distinguish rhetoric from
>> claims of fact. It was my hope that they would develop a skeptical,
>> questioning attitude towards the many pieties of modern society.
>> Whether they did was up to them.

>> Well, you did ask.

>Your answer went into some detail, but it was narrowly focused. I
>wanted to know what you have taught most often? More English 101?
>English literature? Logic? Philosophy?

I have taught but one time. Hence, the narrow focus. Mostly, I am
writing a dissertation on the sociology of medieval textual
transmission and working on a major scholarly editing project (nothing
to do with the Holocaust, I am afraid).

I would like to think that the way I taught my one course has had an
even broader impact than on 35 young minds. I was very excited by the
experience, and I talked to anyone who would listen about what I was
doing. I was very surprised--given the myths about political
correctness in academia--that my colleagues, including senior faculty,
expressed an interest in teaching the same kinds of critical thinking
skills to their freshmen.

If you want to know the true truth--this is revealed for the first
time ever--my concern about epistemology, the nature of evidence,
claims, and the lot over the past eighteen months has been part of my
effort to work these things out for my students. It has been an effort
to work these things out in the simplest terms possible with an
audience which had absolutely no respect for my authority or any
expectations regarding my honesty or integrity. Throughout I have been
alternately hopeful and fearful that I would "build a better denier."
Sadly, I have not built a better denier; I have not convinced even one
neo-Nazi to examine his own presuppositions with a skeptical eye.

Oh well. The upside is that, at the end of the year, I turned to Lady
Catherine de Burgh's complaint to Elizabeth Bennet in Austen's _Pride
and Prejudice_ and asked, "What is happening here?" and a bunch of
eighteen year-olds put up their hands and named a dozen logical
fallacies. By name, with proofs.

John Morris

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In <340F93...@concentric.net>, on Thu, 04 Sep 1997 22:07:46 -0700,
Michael Ives <mi...@concentric.net> wrote:

>> John Morris wrote:
>(and I missed)

>> > In <340948...@concentric.net>, on Sun, 31 Aug 1997 03:35:08 -0700,
>> > Michael Ives <mi...@concentric.net> wrote:
>> >...
>> > >Ah, too bad, Morris, your "ping o'death" failed again?

>> > "Ping o' death"? I was not aware that it was possible to ping an
>> > individual account through an SMTP server. Just goes to show how
>> > little I know.

>The opportunity to learn presents itself every day.

>> > >Guess what, I
>> > >modified my return email address for just that reason.
>> >
>> > Now who's the idiot and liar? To be fair, of course, I should say
>> > "idiot and mistaken," since falsifying your e-mail address would not
>> > protect your domain from pinging.

>Nor would that be my intention in doing so. However, I would certainly
>endeavor to preotect everything I could from the likes of you. My
>country even.

I'll let you know when I am ready to overthrow the US government.

>> > > Aren't you guys
>> > >issued Crays? Didn't Bronfman or Geffen see to that? You can try all
>> > >random combinations in an hour or two, right? Why not just try pinging
>> > >everyone in the world? Must get lonely up there where you are. Don't
>> > >worry, winter's coming.

>> > But you know as well as I that the reason you falsified your address
>> > was so that you could troll and Jew-bait without having to take
>> > responsibility for it.

>Another John Morris lie(tm).

No, another John Morris speculation on the motive for your multiplying
(yet curiously unsubstantiated) lies.

> What might "responsibility" entail,
>anyway? A jail sentence? Summary execution? Or just a big, fat
>_judgment,_ the kind you guys live for?

No, actually. Rather that you would stand by your own words and
opinions. Courage of your convictions and all that.

>Wouldn't you really be happier torturing Palestinian children? The
>return is more immediate, isn't it?

There is really no depth of slander to which you will not sink, is
there? All from the safety of a fake userid. What a brave fellow you
are!

But by way of yet another weary answer to your weary lies: Why would I
want to torture Palestinian children when I am a lifelong supporter of
Palestinian self-determination and autonomy? Come to think of it, as
an erstwhile supporter of the Amnesty International campaign against
torture, why would I want to torture anyone?

> The fact is, you can't send _any_
>destructive packets my way, and it's driving you _mad._ Which seems to
>have been a short trip.

Blah blah blah.

I don't suppose it would be too much to ask for your evidence that I
have ever pinged a private user account <snarf>, mailbombed anyone, or
ever wanted to.

I was about to suggest that perhaps you would want to stop making a
fool of yourself. But what would be in it for you? After all, you are
telling lies about me and you never have to stand by your own words.
Such are the joys of posting from a forged userid.

Coward. Bullies always are.

John Morris

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In <340F24D4...@ix.netcom.com>, on Thu, 04 Sep 1997 16:15:00

-0500, Jerry Abbott <j...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:

>John Morris wrote:

>> In <34062b60...@nntp.idsonline.com>, on Fri, 29 Aug 1997 01:53:10

>> GMT, radc...@gmu.edu (Karen Radcliffe) wrote:

>> >If Jerry Abbott has made enemies like these losers he must be doing
>> >something very very right.

>> Whatever the ontological status of Jerry Abbott, Karen Radcliffe is
>> definitely not real:

>And a possible book idea for you, John, "On the Epistemology of
>Ontological Authenticity." Or you could spruce up the title a bit more.

Maybe if I was an eighteenth-century Anglican cleric. I don't think an
iron lung could save that title.

John Morris

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>Another John Morris lie(tm).

Blah blah blah.

Coward. Bullies always are.

--

John Morris

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In <340FD20E...@ix.netcom.com>, on Fri, 05 Sep 1997 04:34:06
-0500, Jerry Abbott <j...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:

>
>John Morris wrote:
>>
>> In <340F1D6F...@ix.netcom.com>, on Thu, 04 Sep 1997 15:43:27


>> -0500, Jerry Abbott <j...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:

>Was that question misplaced?

--

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John Morris wrote:
>
> In <340FD20E...@ix.netcom.com>, on Fri, 05 Sep 1997 04:34:06
> -0500, Jerry Abbott <j...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>
> >
> >John Morris wrote:
> >>
> >> In <340F1D6F...@ix.netcom.com>, on Thu, 04 Sep 1997 15:43:27
> >> -0500, Jerry Abbott <j...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>
> >> [snip]
>
> >> >So, basically, your academic position is a cover for your real job at
> >> >Nizkor.
>
> >> So basically, you are delusional or lying.
>
> >I was guessing. I am still guessing, since I don't know how you divide
> >your time between Nizkor and teaching.
>
> Then don't state your guesses as if they were supportable claims of
> fact.


Did I do that? Didn't you do the same thing in this little exchange:

----- TOP of excerpt -----

>> > But you know as well as I that the reason you falsified your address
>> > was so that you could troll and Jew-bait without having to take

>> > responsibility for it. [John Morris]

>Another John Morris lie(tm). [Michael Ives]

No, another John Morris speculation on the motive for your multiplying
(yet curiously unsubstantiated) lies.

----- END of excerpt -----

Pay particular attention to the words "you know as well as I." Know,
John? You were guessing, and you presented your guess as though it were
a supportable fact. Then you PICKED on me for doing the same thing
later. What a hypocrite you are.


> But there is not much time to divide. I have contributed to all of
> three documents on the Nizkor site: the HTML for the Reinhard FAQ,
> some of the answers in the 66 QAR, and the Ball Challenge page (which
> I only did because I volunteered to approach Ball as part of a larger
> research project into his claims).
>
> >> > What do you teach, John?
>
> >> Which is it, Jerry?
>
> >Was that question misplaced?
>
> The question was irrelevant. The statement that my academic work is a
> cover for my Nizkor involvement seems to me to arise from a mind
> devoted both to paranoid conspiracy theories and casual slander.

And your mind seems devoted to dismissing conspiracy theories without
regard for the possibility that they may be, at least in part or in some
sense, near to the truth. What "casual slander" are you referring to,
in particular?



> >> This year I am not teaching so that I can finish my dissertation. Last
> >> year I taught English 101 for the very first time. I put a lot of
> >> emphasis on critical thinking skills such as logic, the nature of
> >> evidence, support of claims, and the reliability of knowledge. The
> >> conclusion I hoped to lead my students to was *not* that reality is
> >> all just an illusion constructed out of language, but that
> >> contingently reliable knowledge is available. "Quaecumque vera"
> >> (whatsoever be true) is, after all, our school motto. Most of them
> >> were scientists, so I wanted them to understand something of the
> >> philosophical basis of their enterprise. I emphasized literature as a
> >> mode of rhetoric and taught them how to distinguish rhetoric from
> >> claims of fact. It was my hope that they would develop a skeptical,
> >> questioning attitude towards the many pieties of modern society.
> >> Whether they did was up to them.
>
> >> Well, you did ask.
>
> >Your answer went into some detail, but it was narrowly focused. I
> >wanted to know what you have taught most often? More English 101?
> >English literature? Logic? Philosophy?
>
> I have taught but one time. Hence, the narrow focus. Mostly, I am
> writing a dissertation on the sociology of medieval textual
> transmission and working on a major scholarly editing project (nothing
> to do with the Holocaust, I am afraid).

Since you do not teach, or anyway don't teach often, why are you
affiliated with a university by being a member of its nominal teaching
staff? I heard that there was a Greek king who left a deposit of gold
with the Alexandrian Library and then defaulted because he wanted to
keep the scrolls he took. Is that the kind of thing you write about?

> I would like to think that the way I taught my one course has had an
> even broader impact than on 35 young minds. I was very excited by the
> experience, and I talked to anyone who would listen about what I was
> doing. I was very surprised--given the myths about political
> correctness in academia--that my colleagues, including senior faculty,
> expressed an interest in teaching the same kinds of critical thinking
> skills to their freshmen.

Myths about political correctness? Which ones? You mean, like this:
http://www.flinet.com/~politics/aipac/92-10-15.htm
(A link to "Why we few criticize Israel," by JOSEPH SOBRAN.)

> If you want to know the true truth--this is revealed for the first
> time ever--my concern about epistemology, the nature of evidence,
> claims, and the lot over the past eighteen months has been part of my
> effort to work these things out for my students. It has been an effort
> to work these things out in the simplest terms possible with an
> audience which had absolutely no respect for my authority or any
> expectations regarding my honesty or integrity. Throughout I have been
> alternately hopeful and fearful that I would "build a better denier."
> Sadly, I have not built a better denier; I have not convinced even one
> neo-Nazi to examine his own presuppositions with a skeptical eye.

Do you mind if I make a reference to a movie, one of the few I've seen
in recent years? It was Terminator 2. (I liked Arnold Schwarzenegger in
Conan and though I'd see him act again.) In one part of the movie, it
is revealed that the robot "Terminator" has an extensive file of medical
knowledge on human anatomy. One of the other characters, the heroine,
says something like, "Let me guess, that's because it makes you a more
efficient killer, right?" And the Terminator says, "Correct."

Your concern for epistemology and the nature of evidence may, or may
not, be related to your determination to have the truth prevail over
lies, or to let understanding win over error. You could use your
knowledge in that way, but you don't have to. And one of the slickest
tricks in any deceiver's arsenal, as George Orwell pointed out many
years ago, is to usurp the meaning of words, so that the "haters" are
the people you hate, so that the "liars" are the people who say things
(true or not) that are contrary to official doctrine, so that the
"conspiracy nuts" are the people who have detected the schemes of the
leaders of the group that you identify with.

> Oh well. The upside is that, at the end of the year, I turned to Lady
> Catherine de Burgh's complaint to Elizabeth Bennet in Austen's _Pride
> and Prejudice_ and asked, "What is happening here?" and a bunch of
> eighteen year-olds put up their hands and named a dozen logical
> fallacies. By name, with proofs.

That's good. My own logic professor did that with some verses in the
Bible. One of them is in John 15:19.

"If ye were of the world, the world would love his own: but because ye
are not of the world, but I have chosen you out of the world, therefore
the world hateth you."

Denying the antecedent. Invalid form: [(P then Q) and (-P)] thus (-Q).

Jerry Abbott

John Morris

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In <01bcb992$ebd37980$90e6fccc@default>, on 5 Sep 1997 05:24:51 GMT,
"ELVIS" <wh...@man.can> wrote:

> I like that. You think the nizkook can take a hint.

Spell it out for me, coward. What hint should I have taken from a post
larded with threats of violence?

C'mon, Free Speech Boy, spell it out.

Jerry Abbott

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> >> > But you know as well as I that the reason you falsified your address
> >> > was so that you could troll and Jew-bait without having to take
> >> > responsibility for it.
>
> >Another John Morris lie(tm).

>
> No, another John Morris speculation on the motive for your multiplying
> (yet curiously unsubstantiated) lies.
>
> --
> John Morris <John....@UAlberta.CA>
> at University of Alberta <Scripture veteris capiunt exempla futuri>
> --
> The Nizkor Project is at http://www.nizkor.org/

My account on the Microsoft Network was mailbombed twice, after I argued
with a number of pro-Zionist posters on whether Israel deserved to get
foreign aid from the United States. I have not, so far, been mailbombed
anywhere else. I do not use a forged userid, though a mailbombing might
motivate me to do begin that practice.

Jerry Abbott

NSWPP

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NATIONAL SOCIALIST FORUM 9/5/97

Subject: American Renaissance Flap

Dear Winston,

I got "in trouble" for saying that I would never buy Prof Levin's book
"Why Race Matters" which sells for $65.00 on amazon.com (which usually
discounts books). Why? 1st, he's a Jew (however, he on purposely never
admits it) and for that reason alone I refuse to give him royalty fees.

2nd, he likes to engage in bashing niggers (American Renaisance doesn't

like it when you say that word), but when the topic of Jews is brought
up, lo and behold, that's wrongful prejudice. 3rd, he is a staunch
defender of the Holohoax.

I like some of the articles, but they are kosher-types and they are a
kidding themselves if they think they are the ones to bring about a
renaissance. Any dimwit can recognize the Jewish problem. I think they
are definately a front. Incidentally, a lot of insightful people are
unsubscribing due to the ARmail's censorship of topics like the Jews
and the Holohoax. I still get it, but strictly for information
purposes. Besides, in that regard your forum is the best for sure.

Sincerely,

Mike

P.S. I didn't realize Jared Taylor banned revisionists from ARmail.
Thanks, that's good to know. I'll make sure I let others know that too.

[Apparently it was Bruce Hagen's "The Holocaust Summarized"
that did it. - WS]

************************************************

Subject: American Renaissance Flap

From: Levin <meg...@webspan.net>
To: ARm...@amren.com
Subject: Re: No "Nazi" nonsense, please!-rebuffed
References: <970902122523_75...@CompuServe.COM>
X-Loop: list-r...@amren.com
-Mailing-List: ARm...@amren.com
Reply-To: ARm...@amren.com

Uh-oh; a Holocaust denier (D. Palladino). Ultimate effect on of such a
view: zero credibility. It is perfectly possible to dislike Jewish
influence without denying obvious facts.


[This is from "conservative rabbi" Mark Levin. - WS]

************************************************************

Subject: American Renaissance Flap


From: "Louis R. Andrews" <lr...@groupz.net>
Organization: Stalking the Wild Taboo - http://lrainc.com/swtaboo
To: ARm...@amren.com
Subject: Re: No "Nazi" nonsense, please!-rebuffed

Michael Levin wrote:
>
> Uh-oh; a Holocaust denier (D. Palladino). Ultimate effect on of such
> a view: zero credibility. It is perfectly possible to dislike Jewish
> influence without denying obvious facts.

Agreed. Race differences and their consequences is more taboo than
most can handle; adding excess baggage makes our almost impossible job
even harder. Truth about issues from WWII (whatever they are) are
irrelevant to our current dilemma. Why *voluntarily* build more walls
between those we need to influence and ourselves? Even if Hitler had
been god (as some seem to believe), he would be a dead and dishonored
god - as dead and dishonored as baal. Such albatrosses should be left
at sea.

The Brand issue is similar. I have been a long time supporter of Brand
(and appreciated Professor Hart's defense) and (unlike some here) think
most of Brand's comments on the pedophilia issue were correct, even if
unwise - given his other difficulties. Nevertheless one taboo at a
time is enough. Brand should have seen that and avoided taking the
bait after the attack on his urging of lienency for the Nobel prize
winner.

Let's not make the difficult impossible.

Louis Andrews

*************************************************************


From: Premise Checker <che...@clark.net>
To: ARm...@amren.com

On Tue, 2 Sep 1997, Levin wrote:

> Uh-oh; a Holocaust denier (D. Palladino). Ultimate effect on of such
a
> view: zero credibility. It is perfectly possible to dislike Jewish
> influence without denying obvious facts.

I would appreciate Mr. Levin's laying out for us the facts that support
the conclusion that operational homocidal gas chambers were used in
National Socialist Germany during World War II. I've look at several
standard Holocaust histories in the public library, but when it comes
to the gas chambers themsevles, the authors all rely on about six
pieces of evidence, pieces which are roundly disputed by Holocaust
Revisionists, from Rassinier to Butz and Sta"glich. That said, the
Nizkor web site has gathered together much more evidence than the
standard historians have relied upon. And, esp. since the Revisionists
have not responded to this new (rather, previously uncollected)
evidence, I am now of the opinion that there were indeed these
operative gas chambers. Nevertheless, I would
like to see this evidence presented systematically.

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Subject: American Renaissance Flap

To the best of my recollection, it was not an article of yours which
started the hoopla. It was something forwarded from Australia,
entitled "The Dirty War", or something to that effect. At any rate
it dealt with the war upon White people being effected by the
niggers. If I am not mistaken it appeared on ARmail and the NSWPP
postings at about the same time, and then some good soul forwarded it
to ARmail, from NSWPP, replete with Swastika. (Whoever made that
Swastika deserves a pat on the back.) Just FYI.

88!
DEJ

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Subject: American Renaissance Flap

Mr. Justus,

Be very careful with your insults. What was so "nonsensical" about the
said "bizarre Nazi political grouplet" or in effect, any of the other
pro-white organizations who affiliate themselves with German National
Socialist ideas? Also, explain fully or to the best of your
understanding, why you "think" that what these fellow
European-Americans promote would necessarily be at odds with what the
American Reniassance promotes? But then perhaps "Nazi" just covers all
white nationalists for you; perhaps you even still believe in the
"Holocaust."

David G. Palladino

[Steve Justus is a National Alliance "Usenet Warrior" who has
recently posted some especially egregious lies about me---the usual NA
line, I weight 300 pounds, I am a Jewish rabbi, etc. He apparently
posted something to American Renaissance after our Swastika logo
appeared calling the NSWPP a "bizarre little political grouplet." Boy,
if THAT ain't the pot calling the kettle black! - WS]

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Subject: American Renaissance Flap


From: "Michael Gortney" <mgor...@peop.tds.net>
To: <ARm...@amren.com>

I am just a simple guy from Alabama and to my knowledge I have never
even met a Jew ( how would I know? Do these people glow in the dark or
something?) When I got my computer and started visiting politically
incorrect sites ( which is how I found AR ) I saw right away that they
were on many peoples mind. I couldn't understand this, and I still
don't understand exactly what is going on; but I know fear when I see
it, and you sir, are scared. To forbid a topic (the Holocaust) to even
be discussed regardless of how civilly and intelligently, proves to me
that what all those so called "nuts" have been saying about the Jew's
power must be true. After all I could call Martin Luther King a
desendent of a gorilla and hardly raise an eyebrow on this forum!! I
don't know exactly what you are afraid of- but If you are scared then
so am I! PLEASE UNSUBSCRIBE ME! BTW to those who may be monitoring this
forum- I BELIEVE!

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From: American Renaissance <am_...@hotmail.com>
To: arm...@amren.com
Subject: Interesting Discussion? No
Date: Thursday, September 04, 1997 9:13 AM

George here, from hotmail this time.

Interesting or not, for reasons I have already explained at length,
and with all due respect, I must insist that the matter be pursued
elsewhere.

George,
The MailMeister

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On Wed, 3 Sep 1997, ARmail Moderator wrote:
> Any posting on this topic that is time-stamped after the posting of
> this warning will result in the subscriber being removed from ARmail,
> regardless of which side of the issue he or she is on. This judgment
> will be entirely at the discretion of the moderator. If you are at >
>all uncertain whether a given posting is in violation of this warning
>then send it first to mode...@amren.com.

This is a big mistake. I guess you are going to learn this
the hard way as most new list administrators must do. I wouldn't
listen to the warnings, either, when I ran mailing lists. I chose
the route you have now embarked upon. It killed conversation and
drove off the quality people who contributed the most substance
to the discussions. Those who stayed were those used to "going
along to get along" and avoiding taboo subjects; the very traits
that have lost us battle after battle and will lose us the war.

> If you feel obliged to comment in any way on this warning, favorably
> or unfavorably, reply to mode...@amren.com, NOT to
arm...@amren.com.

This is your second mistake. This will not happen, because those
who do not wish to entertain your dictator fantasy will post to the
list anyway because they will instinctively rebel against this
obviously wrong exercise in censorship of taboo subjects out of
fear of offending the weak willed. It is better to be "put down"
by would be dictators than to stay silent in the face of even the
pettiest of tyranny.

Rick Savage

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Subject: American Renaissance Flap


From: Franklin Wayne Poley <f...@vcn.bc.ca>
Subject: Re: enough already
To: ARm...@amren.com
cc: "'American Renaissance'" <ARm...@amren.com>
X-Loop: list-r...@amren.com
X-Mailing-List: ARm...@amren.com
Reply-To: ARm...@amren.com

On Wed, 3 Sep 1997, Ralph Raico wrote:

> My understanding is that the purpose of the AR list is to discuss the
sorts of opics, by and large, that appear in a publication called
American Renaissance. hus, it would be out of place for someone to
post his views on, for instance, he validity of The Protocols of the
Elders of Zion. I asumme that the Moderator would notpermit such a
posting to go out to the list. I look forward to his putting a end to
the discussion on the massacre of the European Jews.


No doubt it would also be off topic to discuss the 100% J-wish nature
of the Federal Reserve Board; which is part of what some call "ZOG"
and see as the quintessential obstacle to an American Renaissance.
FWP.

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George, AR Moderator,

Thank you for your hospitality. I'm sorry that I have to go, but I
too, must soon step up to your cutting block. Please un-subscribe me
from the AR discussion list. I hope that you attain the exact people
you are looking for to complete your group. We have seen many quality
people leave this list because of the way you have handled this
"thread." This voluntary exodus alone, makes a profound statement as
to the importance of the "Holocaust" issue. I suspect that you might
lose a few more. You have my congratulations in marginalizing the
marginalized.

Soon to be ex-fellow Listers, be aware: America will achieve her
"Renaissance" on the day that our own collectively descended European
peoples will attain rule ourselves again; without outside or alien
influence. The problem of forced co-habitation with the blacks is
merely a symptom. It is merely a symptom.

If you at AR consider yourselves, even in some small way, to be members
of the "Vanguard of the West," or even amongst the "best and most
intellectual 'social elite' that the White race has to offer," it is
your DUTY to expose the lies that are leading to the racial tensions;
AND, to not only continually search for, but to proclaim just who the
enemies of the truth are. Do this and you will gain the respect of
millions. Look to Ingrid Rimland at the Zundelsite for inspiration as
she is one who fights for truth. You will no doubt increase, and even
gain a more loyal readership. Heck, you'll even make some bucks off of
it. Take the lead!

Didn't you stop to think that even if we do get our "separate
homeland(s)" in America, the enemy will still be among us? In other
words, for you Wagner fans, the 'G'old will always be in the Rhine! -
(yes it will, even after 20+hours of music!). It is as dear to the
nature of the enemy as honor, loyalty, chivalry, heroism and justice is
to the greater part of the white race. The sad thing here is that the
"Levines" will still be the ones who remain on the "fashionable" or
"in" lists, cleverly re-directing discussion of items of the utmost
importance and bashing the "incredulous holocaust deniers." And "we"
allows this. Perhaps it is because the sense of loyalty is different,
OR WAIT, perhaps it's even, in a way, the same! Loyalty and honor to
race should be prevalent among our thoughts; it is quite disgusting to
see white fighting white in any fashion. The Jews are loyal to their
religion, you can be sure of that - hell bent on destroying
the Old anti-Jewish Traditional Christianity of the West. Have we read
our Talmud recently? Read it. Memorize it. We are being divided and
we are being conquered, friends, and it ain't the blacks. So, now
where does that leave you George, . . . as keeper of the list? Ughhh,
. . Blasphemer! Yes, and he's even in your own house too. Perhaps
though, you will permit this "religious" discussion to the rump state
that remains on the post-purged AR list.

Even if you do however, continue to debate the finer points of the
Holohoax at other sites, it is also a symptom. The path will always
lead back to the greater and actually, most CENTRAL issue to the demise
of the West. The breakdown of Western morality. Take this and run with
it for a minute; ictor Craig perhaps alluded to it in the most recent
issue of AR. (will his "thread" be allowed pursual here?) The
systematic dismantling of the ld Church, the anti-jewish church,
culminating with Vatican II, has lead o the spiritual mis-guidance of
the West - whether you believe the octrine or not, as Craig points out.
It was the great equalizer after the all of Rome. Despite the bitter
fighting amongst European brothers after he Defenestration of Prague
(Protestant Reformation Wars), the Old Church didn't hurt the White
race, it helped it. Even Martin Luther (the original), recognized the
Jews to be the primary enemy of Christianity. (The modern Lutheran
Church disassociate themselves with him - poor Martin, what WOULD he
think) But how do we get back to it?; that's the question for you all
to slander over. Why does the Talmud, the most holy book of the jews,
call for the destruction of Christianity? Is this traditional
Christianity strong enough to fight their traditional enemies, rally
the support of Whites and still keep the divisions of race within the
social heirarchy? Discuss.

One more point, seeing as how what started this "thread" was that the
use of the Swastika on some e-mail piece was seen as "offensive" or
even "harmful to the cause" by a couple of AR listers. Need I remind
you that it was Germany under Hitler, supported by Mussolini AND the
Vatican, who lead the EUROPEAN WIDE fight against Jewish Communism
(hundreds of thousands of Spaniards in Madrid volunteered to fight
against Bolshevism upon the announcement of Barbarossa) Yes, those two
words, "Jewish" and "Communism" do go together quite well, because they
are inseperable. Even the amateur history buff knows that they were
the leading figures and driving force behind communism. We, America,
were later literally dragged into the conflagration that was not yet,
but was to become World War II. Were were dragged in by Roosevelt,
just as Britain and her now ex-dominions were by Churchill. (Look for
Irving's coming update on Churchill). Hitler wanted peace with his
racial brothers of the West and even offered to help Britain maintain
her once glorious worldwide empire. Whether Hitler would have
supported the Church after the conflict had been won, can be left to
speculation. More food for though. Discuss again.

Millions understood all of this in the past, and millions understand it
still today, don't fool yourselves, we're just "kept in the wings."
The wings are starting to overflow however. National Socialist
ideology was fairly sound and even correct for many in the West. Why
and by whom was Hitler destroyed and eternally vilified, along with,
after Germany's defeat, the Traditional Church??

Friends, stop treating the symptoms. AR, re-direct your focus a bit
and start addressing some bigger issues.

Adieu,

David Palladino

PS - Jared Taylor, and even George, sorry to have offended you.
However, freedom for not only Germany, but all of Europe and even for
us, is more important than a few bruised egos. Jared, I've read all of
your stuff, and you seem to have a lot together! You may in the future,
even be able to provide some sort of leadership that our people
desperately need, if, you really have that courage for and dedication
to "the truth." -There is not a truth existing which I fear, or would
wish unkown to the whole world.- TJ That cover all truths, you know.



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> And what will you do when Strange Winds of No
> Resistance come roaring through your shaved,
> sunburnt head, forcing you to relive every moment
> of your entire existence which you must endure in
> your truest self, absolutely and permanently ALONE?

Steve Justus

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Harold Covington has gone into an apoplectic fit of gibbering hatred
because I dared to post an article containing several excerpts from a Los
Angeles Times story that revealed Ben Klassen was married and had a child,
among other pertinent facts. Because I read Covington's "Klassen is a
homosexual" charges when he first published them, Covington imagines that
I am somehow obligated to believe his allegations, and that I am
deliberately lying if I say I don't believe them.

Rubbish. An allegation is not proof. Radical feminists like to use this
tactic on men accused of rape, sexual harassment, or similar things. The
accusation is taken as proof, and questioning the accuser is forbidden.
Covington objects to this tactic when used by radical feminists, but uses
it continually himself. I am not willing to believe an accusation of
homosexual rape without the accusers having their stories publicly
examined - which has never happened.

Yes, I have read all of Covington's charges against Klassen. The
"homosexual" allegation is the strongest of all, but that's not saying
much. His charges about Klassen's money, alleged murders, and supposed
Jewish ancestry are so lame they discredit Covington far more than
Klassen. In addition, Covington is so filled with insane hate for Klassen
that it make me more skeptical of everything he says. Covington, all class
as usual, has even boasted of defecating on Klassen's grave. He is not an
objective source by any means.

None of Covington's charges - not a single one - can be verified by
independent sources. Sure, he claims to quote certain people such as
"Dennis Witherspoon" or "Chip Myers" as sources, but you can only learn of
them through Covington. Nothing has ever been published in a newspaper,
court document, or other source not liable to editing by Covington. You
have to believe that "Chip Myers" was a real person, that he was telling
the complete truth, and that Covington is also fairly representing his
views and not holding anything back. There is no critical examination of
any of the stories attributed to Myers, as would occur in a court of law.
As it turns out, Covington was omitting at least one relevant fact - the
fact that Klassen was married for 40 years and had a daughter.

When I read the L.A. Times article - four years ago, when it was
originally published - I knew I was dealing with a fraud. Wouldn't an
intellectually honest man reveal up front that the "homosexual' was
married? Wouldn't he actually know some facts about Klassen's ancestry, or
the source of his money?

An intellectually honest man would, but Harold Covington is not an
intellectually honest man. He sweeps any evidence which doesn't fit the
picture he wants to paint under the rug and hopes no one will find it.

Now that the truth has been revealed, Covington is screeching that Klassen
was really a bisexual, not a homosexual. Nice of you to finally admit to
Klassen's marriage and family after 8 years of covering up the evidence,
but aren't your allegations tainted by the coverup, Harold? Doesn't it
appear as if you have something to hide?

Regardless of who Covington claims as a source for his stories, without
some sort of independent means of verification, we are reduced to taking
his word for it. Unfortunately, his word is worthless.

Let's examine, briefly and in no particular order, a few other charges
Covington swears are true but are easily discredited.

- Ben Klassen was not only a Jew, but probably the son of a rabbi as well.
Not one iota of evidence was ever advanced to show this or to discredit
Klassen's claim to German Mennonite ancestry.

- Jewish groups gave Ben Klassen his money to create a phony racist front.
Rubbish. The Times article stated the source of his money was the electric
can opener and real estate.

- Will Williams recruited former 82nd Airborne soldiers James Burmeister
and Malcolm Wright into the "movement" and put them up to killing a black
couple at random, which they did.
Burmeister and Wright were tried, convicted, and sent to jail. Not a word
of this came out at their trials or afterwards.

_ Will Williams is really John Doe 2 and a key player in the Oklahoma City
bombing.
How a 6 foot tall man in his late 40's passes for a 5'7"-5'9" man is his
early 20's is beyond me. This story is so full of holes, Swiss cheese is
airtight in comparison. This is Covington's own private fantasy; no one
else has ever mentioned anything of the sort.

- His British affiliates, Combat 18, were a wonderful group of National
Socialist idealists unfairly maligned.
The portrayal of Combat 18 in John Tyndall's "Doing The Enemy's Work" and
George Hawthorne's "Blood and Dishonor - A Eulogy for C18" (with support
from over 20 other parties) paint the opposite picture. Combat 18 was a
criminal gang, not a political action group. Covington's response to the
revelations about Combat 18 is his usual "booga booga booga" garbage.

-The National Alliance - Resistance Records - WAR triumvirate attacked his
beloved Combat 18 and tried to murder its co-founder, Charlie Sargent.
News reports clearly show that the attacks on Charlie Sargent and his
friends were carried out by another faction of Combat 18 led by one
William ("Wilf") Browning. Browning not only deposed Sargent as Fuhrer of
Combat 18 and stole all the money from Blood and Honour England, he sent
his former boss a letter bomb as well and had him attacked on several
other occasions for good measure. Browning also had letter bombs sent to
Aryan activists who opposed Combat 18's criminal activities and to
race-mixing celebrities.

I could go on at much greater length, but you get the point. Covington
makes so many false claims that he cannot be accepted as an authority on
anything except how to get fat. How can we trust that his stories about
Klassen's homosexual rapes are true, even if he attributes them to other
people, when he is so clearly an unbelievable source himself?

Could the stories he attributes to "Chip Myers" be true? Possibly. Even a
stopped clock is correct twice a day, at least if it's an analog clock.
However, the fact that there is no independent verification means that we
must accept Covington's account of what "Myers" supposedly said, and that
is a bad idea. The L. A. Times story doesn't prove that Klassen never
engaged in homosexual activity, but it does show that Harold Covington
withheld important evidence about this and lied about other things. I say
"lied", which assumes he knew better, but it is quite possible he had no
clue of what the truth was and simply made up whatever story appealed to
him. The probability that a 70 year man, married for 40 years, suddenly
gets the desire to rape teenaged boys seems pretty low to me in any event.
You would need to examine these stories closely and see if they hold up.
Since both Klassen and his wife are dead, it's not going to happen. I
regard this as an unproven, and unprovable, story.

No doubt Covington will shriek and gibber that his evidence is being
ignored, but that's tough. There's a good reason his sort of evidence is
inadmissable in court. There is no way to examine it, and thereby judge
its true value.

Covington has proven, time and again, that he cannot be trusted to tell
the whole truth or to critically investigate anything. He can repeat his
stories as often as he likes, but that won't make them credible.

--
"Progress is achieved by men who are able to be revolutionary without being revolting."

(John Bryant)

Speaking only for myself,
Steve Justus

Steve Justus

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A group of creeps from Harold Covington's "British affiliate" Combat 18
was sentenced to jail in Denmark on Wednesday, Sept. 2, for their part in
a bomb plot directed at Aryan activists, some race-mixers and leftists,
and a faction of their own organization. Utterly dishonest to the end,
Harold Covington has tried to paint this as the work of all the people he
hates attacking his beloved Combat 18. Of course, Mr. "I'm Moral and No
One Else Is" has had nothing to say about the actions of Combat 18 except
lies and "booga booga booga". The truth is shown in the articles below.

This was the original message announcing the arrests of Covington's Combat
18 creeps in the bombing campaign they are now in jail for. This
originally appeared in a message from the Aryan News Agency, sent in
January of this year. News reports gave most attention to a bomb intended
for an interracial couple, but most of C18's venom was directed against
other racial organizations, as George Hawthorne shows here.

--- begin ANA article ---
Subject: ANA -- Bombing Campaign
Sent: 1/20/97 11:48 AM
Received: 1/21/97 3:15 AM
From: Anton, ant...@concentric.net
To: ant...@concentric.net


The text below is an article roughly translated from a large Danish paper.
After this story is George Hawthorne's RREN piece on the issue.

>POLICE AVOID BOMBLETTER ACTION RIGHT WING TERRORIST.
>
> Co operation between European police forces,avoid a international
>extreme right bombletter action.Three of these bomb letters were
>intercept by Swedisch Post.On Saturday the Danisch Police raid
>a rightwing group,with mainly young members.During the raid one
>police officer was wounded by a gun shot.Under the arrested people
>(6 males,one female)was also Marcel Schilf,owner of the neo nazi
>mail order NS 88,based in Danmark and Sweden and Thomas Nakaba
>leader of the group nazi's.
>
>According Danisch minister Frank Jensen the letters were ready to mail out to
>rival rightwing activist in London,Scotland,Holland and France.Three
>letters were ready to mailed out.Under those was Brad Hollinby,member
> of the Neo Nazi band 'Squadron'. Hollinby count for the group
>as traitor,and police informer.Scotland Yard as the Danisch Police
>believes that the action was in order of the notoire group Combat 18,
>from London ,England.That group is also responbale for the fights
>during the football match Ireland-England.Combat 18 is in a heavy
>rivalry with other rightwing groups.By different raids by members
>of Combat 18 were found already 'deathlists',weapons,and explosives.
>
>Scotland Yard expect there will be different arrests in Combat 18 groups.


LETTER BOMB CAMPAIGN LAUNCHED AGAINST
WHITE RACIALISTS

by George Eric Hawthorne


A series of bombs hidden in video tapes, set to
go off when inserted into a VCR, have turned up in
several locations in Europe. The bombs contained
enough explosives to destroy an entire room, most
likely killing the person inserting the tape. For all of
the tapes discovered to date, the targets were all outspoken
Racialists who opposed the slander campaigns of England's
notorious C18. The envelopes were marked with Nordland's
return address, and were posted from Denmark with Danish
stamps. To date, nearly ten packages have been intercepted,
and none have yet to do any damage.

One package, addressed to "The Highlander" in Scotland,
one of that country's leading White Racialist publications,
was intercepted through a Glasgow post office. Three other
UK addresses were found on similar packages that contained
bombs, but the destinations have not yet been disclosed, although
the BNP and the British Movement have been put on red alert
by authorities to watch for suspicious packages.

Late Saturday, 7 "neo-Nazis" were arrested in Denmark,
during which a police officer was shot. In Malmoe, Sweden
on the same day, 3 more packages were seized at the post
office by police, marked with U.K. destinations.

The leader of the group is one Thomas Derry Nakaba,
26 years old, who has been a skinhead since 1986.
According to the news his father was Japanese and
his mother Danish. Once you know this, you can
see the Asian in him right away.

According to Dutch papers, Marcel Schilf, a C18 supporter from
Denmark who runs NS88, was also arrested in the group.
Rumor is that he bragged to a female Racialist that a video tape
would soon be arriving at Nordland's offices that would finish
them off once and for all.

A Reuters press release says that leftists and race-mixing
sports celebrities in Britain were main targets on a hit list, but
to date no names have been released to confirm this. The only
destinations given were White Racialists, and it is to be assumed
at this point that this is part of a C18 campaign against those
that have spoken out against their lies. It is my suspicion that
Reuters merely filled in the blanks of what seemed to fit a
Hollywood plot the most, when in reality this is fratricidal
warfare against White Racialists.

How the enemies of our Racial survival must snicker with
glee at this outrageous period in our troubled movement's
history. Poised to make the biggest impact on White
youth in our history, a collection of misfits and malcontents,
too meek-minded to rejoice at our success at endeavors
that seemed like a dream 5 years ago, have to strike out
at the very people that they unsuccessfully tried to emulate.
As brain power fizzles, the petty little people want to lash
out wildly at those they cannot be.

Anyone that still maintains contact with C18 or is still willing
to give the matter any further consideration does not belong in
the movement.

Are we imploding? Or merely getting rid of the dead-weight?

Stay tuned ... details WILL follow.
--- end ANA article ----

Next, an article from the Associated Press printed August 26 about C18's
arraignment.

----begin AP article:----
By JAN M. OLSEN
Associated Press Writer
COPENHAGEN, Denmark (AP) - A Danish neo-Nazi admitted in court
Monday that he mailed explosive detonators to targets in Britain,
including a white TV personality who is married to a black man.
The defendant, whose name cannot be publicized under a court
order, and two other men were arrested in January on terrorism
charges after authorities intercepted the parcels in Sweden. Their
trial opened Monday.
All three men have pleaded innocent, and apparently intend to
claim the parcels were sent only to frighten, not to harm.
The parcels contained detonators attached to a non-explosive
plasticine substance. Officials, however, say the detonators
themselves could have exploded and caused injuries.
The packages mailed from Sweden were addressed to British TV
figure Sharron Davies, to the British office of the Anti-Fascist
Action organization and to a member of Combat 18, a neo-Nazi group
reportedly split by a bitter feud.
The 27-year-old man who admitted sending the packages was the
leading member of the Danish chapter of Combat 18. The other
defendants are a heavily tattooed 21-year-old neo-Nazi and a
boyish-looking 22-year-old chemist who is not known to have had
prior neo-Nazi ties.
The 27-year-old said Monday that Combat 18 leader William
Browning had brought the dummy explosive into Denmark and had given
him a list of five addresses.
The purpose was ``to scare them. That's what Browning said,''
the defendant told the 12-man jury.
``The English (neo-Nazis) kept calling to remind me what I
needed to do,'' he said.
He did not say why he chose not to send parcels to two other
addresses: the Searchlight neo-Nazi monitoring organization and the
rival neo-Nazi group, British Hammer Skinheads.
Davies, a former Olympic gold medal swimmer who now appears on
a morning television show, is married to former Olympic runner Derek
Redmond, who is black.
The 27-year-old defendant also is charged with attempted
manslaughter for shooting a policeman when officers stormed his
northern Copenhagen apartment in January. The officer's injuries
were not life-threatening.
------end-------

With his usual sense of honesty, Covington blamed everything on the
National Alliance, Resistance Records, Tom Metzger, and everyone else he
hates. I include the e-mail message I received, exactly as it was minus
his signature, below. I was sent this through Covington's BSNet, before I
was purged as an undesirable dissident:

>Subject: British Affiliate
>Sent: 2/7/97 1:36 PM
>Received: 2/8/97 4:24 AM
>From: NSWPP-CSU, ns...@earthlink.net
>To: ns...@earthlink.net
>
>Dear Racial Comrades:
>
> I suppose in a way I shouldn't complain about being harassed with
>bogus lawsuits and droppings on my doorstep. Our comrades in Britain are
>experiencing the same kind of harassment, but of a much deadlier nature.
>
> Several weeks ago police in Denmark and Britain intercepted seven
>letter bombs sent to various people and addresses associated with the Combat
>18 group and the British affiliate of the International Union of National
>Socialists, the National Socialist Alliance. In addition, Comrade Charles
>Sargent was the victim of an arson attack; unknown assailants poured
>gasoline through the letter box of his home in Essex and set it on fire. The
>fact that Charlie's wife and young children were inside made no difference
>to them whatsoever.
>
> I wish I could tell you that the people doing this were Communists
>or Jews or niggers or some kind of legitimate racial enemy, but it wouldn't
>be true. The culprits who are responsible for these acts are the European
>associates and allies of our own beloved Usual Suspects. One of these fine
>"Aryan warriors" (the only one, I might add, who at least put up a fight and
>opened fire on the Danish police when they came for him) is a half Japanese
>individual named Nakaba.
>
> And you know something? The fact that the opponents of National
>Socialism within our own Movement engage in this kind of behavior will
>disappear from sight over there just like it does over here. Already a
>"spin" is being put on these events in the Movement grapevine that makes out
>C18 and the NSA to be somehow the "heavies", the bad boys---why, they're
>just HORRIBLE lads altogether and of course they hobknob with Wicked
>Winston, who as we all know is the Devil himself, so those poor persecuted
>"true Aryan patriots" just HAD to try and murder them, can't you see? Wicked
>Winston and Churlish Charlie just FORCED them to send those bombs and light
>that fire! THE DEVIL MADE THEM DO IT! THE DEVIL MADE THEM DO IT!
>
> Does anyone other than myself realize that this situation is
>becoming INSANE? Letter bombs. Arson. Vandalism. Forgeries on the Internet.
>Bird-brained frivolous nuisance lawsuits. Accusations of "plagiarism" and
>other ridiculous smears that are simply lies, and not very good lies at
>that. Human feces on doorsteps. Threatening phone calls that sound like they
>come from some kind of degenerate psychopath, as in some cases they do?
>ALWAYS directed against me or someone whose only crime is to be associated
>with me, and all of it coming from people "on our side", with the exception
>of Nizkor's Internet stunts (which are equalled by those pulled by the
>National Alliance in an attempt to drive us off the Internet).
>
> And every one of these attacks shares one common factor: they have
>all failed. They will always fail. Has it ever occurred to ANY of these
>people that all you're doing is making us angry? Sheeeeeeesh---get a LIFE,
>people!
>
> The National Socialist Alliance may be contacted at BCM Box 3335,
>London WC1N 3XX, ENGLAND. Please enclose a couple of bucks for overseas
>mailings.

There isn't one iota of truth to this rant, as the above articles show.
The bombs were sent by one Combat 18 faction to Aryan organizations which
opposed Combat 18's campaigns of lies and thuggery, a few leftist and
race-mixing types, and to ANOTHER faction of Combat 18, led by the
twice-convicted drug dealer Charlie Sargent who founded Combat 18 along
with Covington. Covington's Combat 18 was already in a rapid decline after
their exposure by John Tyndall, George Hawthorne, and others. The Combat
18 rats turned on one another in an battle over power and money from the
Blood and Honour recording organization they stole. The Browning faction,
which was not Covington's side, won. The attacks on Covington's buddies
the Sargents were carried out by the William ("Wilf") Browning faction of
Combat 18 and his half-Japanese "National Socialist", Thomas Derry Nakaba,
who is the 27 year-old whose name was omitted in the AP article. NONE of
Covington's enemies had anything to do with it, although Covington lied
shamelessly about this.

Once again, Covington is exposed as a liar. His own Frankenstein creation,
the criminal organization known variously as "Combat 18", the "National
Socialist Alliance", and probably some other names, destroyed itself in a
nasty battle over money and power after they were decisively rejected by
British racialists. Covington figured he could lie about this, and make
these creeps into martyrs. No doubt he will fool many of the marks on his
BSNet sucker list, whom he shields from any information that might make
him look bad - and that's a lot of stuff. There is no reason for anyone
else to be fooled.

All's well that ends well, however. The Reuters article below shows that
the Combat 18 creeps were convicted and sent to jail. Note the plot leader
- Nakaba, o Combat 18 creep, acting under the orders of the English C-18
leader Browning. They're all your folks, Covington. Be proud and take
credit for them!

-begin article-

Wednesday September 3, 1:36 AM GMT
Danish court jails neo-Nazis for U.K. bomb plot

By Steve Weizman
COPENHAGEN, Sept 2 (Reuter) - A Danish court jailed three
local neo-Nazis on Tuesday for attempting to send letter bombs
to targets in Britain.
The Danish news agency Ritzau said that the court sentenced
plot leader Thomas Derry Nakaba to eight years in prison, a
stiff sentence in liberal Denmark. Accomplices Michael Volder
and Nicky Steensgaard were each jailed for three years.
Court officials earlier told Reuters that the jury had
convicted the three of preparing three letter bombs, one
addressed to British television presenter Sharon Davies, who is
married to black athlete, Derek Redmond.
Another was aimed at the Anti-Fascist Action organisation
and the third at a wing of the far-right Combat 18 group as part
of an internecine struggle between neo-Nazi factions.
Danish Police said the devices, disguised as video
cassettes, contained dummy explosive but real detonators which
could have blown a recipient's hand off.
The court endorsed prosecution arguments that the bombers
could not know they were using a harmless charge.
The three were convicted under anti-terrorism laws which
carried a maximum sentence of life imprisonment.
Danish detectives, tipped off by Britain's Scotland Yard,
intercepted the bombs after Nakaba posted them on January 17 in
the Swedish port of Malmo, a short ferry-trip from Copenhagen.
Police raided the suspects' house north of Copenhagen the
next day in a dramatic swoop during which Nakaba shot a
detective in the thigh.
He said that he had believed himself under attack by leftist
opponents and fired in self-defence through a closed door
without seeing his target.
During the trial Nakaba said that he was acting under orders
from a faction of Combat 18, named for the first and eighth
letters of the alphabet, A and H -- Adolf Hitler's initials.
He said that an Englishman, linked to the group, gave him
what was said to be explosives, a pistol and the addresses to
which the finished bombs were to be sent.
Nakaba was a member of the Danish National Socialist
Movement (DNSB), a local neo-Nazi group, from 1987 to 1990 and
again from 1993 to 1995 but the DNSB has said it has not seen
him since and has no connection with the bomb plot.
Denmark's liberal freedom of speech laws have made it
something of a neo-Nazi haven, to the irritation of neighbouring
Germany, where Nazi tracts and paraphernalia are banned and to
the discomfort of Danes who remember wartime Nazi occupation.
On August 16 about 150 Nazis from Denmark, other Nordic
countries, Germany and the Netherlands marched to commemorate 10
years since the death of Hitler's deputy Rudolf Hess.
-end article-

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