Beyond 28 Days of tourist Visa

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Win Zaw

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Dear Ko Nyi Nyi,

Thanks for your kind reply. In the real world, it is illegal :-). The immigration has the right to hold passenger for any question and it could lead to wrong direction and clients will have problem. If there is nothing happen,YES,  there is no problem.

Any official tour operators should not take this kind of risk, because if you take a risk and if something goes wrong, the first blame is on T/O. then, tour operators will blame to authorities for not being flexible.

So it is better to raise the question at any of the MOT/UMTA meeting for better/faster facility of Visa Extension.  These bodies are the only hope that they can talk to authorities and make thing happen for tourism industry, isn't it? No harm to ask for better value.

Getting information in Myanmar is quite different. We had checked with the embassy in Cambodia where they said, cannot be extended, but Clients had also checked in Geneva Myanmar embassy, they were informed that visa extension is available. When we had checked locally in Myanmar, there is no evidences of saying NO for extension visa. But no one said possible to extend from their 28 days visa. They said, If clients say longer than 28 days without permission, this is illegal. Thats all we were told. It is really quite hard to understand for both Travelers and oversea Tour Operators.

Hope soon or later, this kind of facility will conduct to our industry. 

Cheers,
Win Zaw

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    "Nyi Nyi ®" <nyi...@gmail.com> Dec 10 01:26PM +0630 ^
     
    Anyone knows if this is really working or not? A hotelier can do a trick,
    yes we accept in FEC but 10% surcharge to the quoted US$. Right?
     
     
    On Thu, Dec 9, 2010 at 12:38 PM, Travel Myanmar Group <
     
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    Nyi Nyi

     

    "Nyi Nyi ?" <nyi...@gmail.com> Dec 09 10:41PM -0800 ^
     
    Ko Win Zaw,
     
    Simply a tourist shall pay 3 US$ per day as a FINE. Within a week,
    immigration at airport used to charge only 3 US$. Visa extension in
    Yangon is most laborious than paying FINE upon departure. I don't think
    they will be blacklisted only for this late departure. HTH.

     

    "Nyi Nyi ?" <nyi...@gmail.com> Dec 09 08:21AM -0800 ^
     
    Air Bagan ticket price will change starting from December 10, 2010.
     
    Source: industrial

     

    Frankie Nyi Nyi <nyi...@gmail.com> Dec 09 02:47PM ^
     
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    လုပ္ငန္းရွင္မ်ားအသင္း အတြင္းေရးမွဴး ဦးတင္ထြန္းေအာင္က ေျပာၾကားသည္။ ACMEC
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    အသံုးျပဳေနၿပီျဖစ္သည္။ အဆိုပါ ဗီဇာအရ ထုိင္းသုိ႔ လည္ပတ္ခြင့္ရရွိသူသည္
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    Single Visa
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    Frankie Nyi Nyi <nyi...@gmail.com> Dec 09 02:42PM ^
     
    Thanks, KO YIN THOMAS!!
     
    Sent to you by Frankie Nyi Nyi via Google Reader: Home Stay in Myanmar
    via An Asian Tour Operator by An Asian Tour Operator on 12/9/10
     
    First of all, I do apologize as the theme of this post would not
    probably match with the title. Perhaps you may expect available
    homestay arrangements or all about homestay in Myanmar actually it is
    NOT for the moment. I have just chatted with a Myanmar offshore tour
    operator about said matter especially the possibilities, advantages and
    disadvantages of doing homestay in Myanmar. In fact, I used to
    discussed with many people from various destinations and various
    destinations of Myanmar Tourism Industry.
     
    We expected that would be developed sooner in the future but it was a
    few years ago and now I am wondering why it is still not in our list of
    products.
     
    The Definition
     
    “Homestay is a form of tourism and/or study abroad program that allows
    visitors to rent a room from a local family to better learn the local
    lifestyle as well as improve their language ability.[1] While homestays
    can occur in any destination worldwide, some countries do more to
    encourage homestay than others as a means of developing their tourism
    industry.”
     
    Wikipedia (the free online encyclopedia)
     
    However, it can go a bit further and wider in an aspect of tourism
    industry in a particular nation. There are many reasons to develop
    homestay and why it should be. Some of our neighboring countries have
    opened up their home doors to foreign guest to have a genuine taste of
    their tradition and lifestyle. And of course, experiencing a homestay
    in a traditional village is logically one of the fastest and easiest
    ways to get studied what “real life” like the country is. It can be a
    village in typical Myanmar village in the central part of Myanmar or a
    village in Mt. Vitoria area; perhaps it can be in a village around Mon
    or Karan State. In fact, it can be anywhere in Myanmar even in a suburb
    area of Yangon; somewhere like Mingalardon or North Okkalapa.
     
    There is no doubt “Myanmar is the richest country in terms of many
    factors”. Myanmar is rich in natural resources; Myanmar is rich in
    cultural heritages, Myanmar is rich in …. We can always proud on that.
    The hundred over ethnic groups have their own tradition, belief and
    customaries. There are always thousands of things to study and learn
    from them. The visitor can study and experience the broad spectrum of a
    village life.
     
    The possible chances to learn from a host village:
     
    - The geographic study of a host village
    - General daily lifestyle
    - Traditional costumes & artifacts
    - Occupational works (method, articles, traditional ideas etc)
    - Farming (method, articles, traditional ideas etc)
    - Home-cooking lessons (main foods and delicacies)
    - Traditional Games (indoor and outdoor games and related toys
    - Traditional Arts (cultural dance, songs and instruments)
    - Language (Dialects)
    - Festive activities
    - Ceremonies (Religious ceremonies, weddings, funerals etc)
    - Ways of thinking, philosophy and ideology
    - Dos and Don’ts/taboos
    - Others
    There are also a number of benefits of Homestay which comes under
    Tourism. On very large scale it offers an alternative to some
    destructive industries for generating income both nationally and
    individually. It can surely create jobs in many different areas.
     
    Possible Advantages of Homestay:
     
    - Develop job opportunities
    - Opportunity for economic and educational growth
    - Opportunity to experience other cultures (which broadens
    understanding)
    - Improving infrastructure (road, bridge, hospital, etc)
    If the Homestay is properly developed, the generated income can be
    tremendously beneficial to the nation and her local communities. The
    income can be used on the region to improve infrastructures, better
    education, better health care, for conservational projects, and to
    promote responsible tourism.
     
    *Note: I am not an academic and merely a tour operator. Therefore if
    there are mistakes and weakness in this post, please kindly point it
    out.
     
    Ref:
     
    - Wikipedia (The free encyclopedia)
     
    - Tourism Malaysia
     
    - Notes from Auburn University
     
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    Aye <ayem...@gmail.com> Dec 09 01:35PM +0630 ^
     
    Yes. Partly correct. I have seen Chinese words at google and when I search
    for some information, they are written in Chinese.
    But it happens only sometimes.
    Aye
     
    2010/12/9 Naung Naung Han <naungna...@gmail.com>
     

     

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Nyi Nyi ®

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Thanks for your input, Ko Win Zaw. Literally, there is an existing immigration law and as its nature they are as flexible as a rubber band. Myanmar Immigration Law states “stay permit” as;-


“ျပည္ဝင္ဗီဇာျဖင့္ဝင္ေရာက္လာသူတစ္ဦးသည္ယင္းျပည္ဝင္ဗီဇာအရသတ္မွတ္ထားသည့္ကာလအထိသာ
ျမန္မာႏိုင္ငံ၌ေနထိုင္ခြင့္ရွိပါသည္။ သတ္မွတ္ကာလထက္ေက်ာ္လြန္ေနထိုင္လိုပါကေနခြင့္တိုးျမွင့္ေပးရန္သက္ဆိုင္ရာဝန္ႀကီးဌာန၏ေထာက္ခံ
ခ်က္ႏွင့္ေလ်ာက္ထားႏိုင္သည္။ စည္းကမ္းသတ္မွတ္ခ်က္ႏွင့္အညီခြင့္ျပဳခ်က္ရလ်င္ဆက္လက္ေနထိုင္ခြင့္ရွိသည္။
ေနခြင့္ေလ်ာက္ထားခ်က္ႏွင့္ပက္သက္၍(၃)လထက္မေက်ာ္ေသာ္ေနခြင့္ေလ်ာက္ထားမွူအတြက္အခေငြအေမရိကန္
ေဒၚလာ (၃၆) ေပးေဆာင္ရမည္။ ၃ လႏွင့္ ၁၂ လ (၁ႏွစ္) အထိေနခြင့္ေလ်ာက္ထားမွုအတြက္အေမရိကန္ေဒၚလာ (၉၀) ေပးေဆာင္ရမည္။

Overstay ေနသူမ်ားႏွင့္ပက္သက္၍တစ္ရက္မွရက္ေပါင္း (၉၀) အထိ တစ္ရက္ အေမရိကန္ေဒၚလာ (၃) ေဒၚလာေပးေဆာင္ရမည္။ ရက္ေပါင္း (၉၀) ထက္ေက်ာ္ပါက တစ္ရက္ အေမရိကန္ေဒၚလာ (၅) ေဒၚလာေပးေဆာင္ရမည္။”


See! The first sentence is total negative. But second and third sentences stated that the immigration law has room for Ministry of Hotel and Tourism to allow tourists extend visas. As you see, they already define “payment” for such terms. Perhaps, the only constraint is;-
(1)  the respective officers just don’t want to work or
(2)  the tour operators do not try at full strength or
(3)  the ministry itself has no “power” to decide as decision making department is to be considered known as “Ka Ka Kyee” from Ministry of Defense.

If we think Myanmar is at dawn breaking of Democracy formation, the Parliament is due by February 2011. Shall we see what it takes then? Only then, the real question is “who’s gonna break the ice?” As they say MYOB!! But I do believe WE can do such a change when time and situation favors. Cheers, bro!

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