Vegas bets on Elon's Boring Company for convention center project

[Dave Brough]

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4 stops, 1 mile long, and ready in 2021.

Main reason they were chosen: it's free.

I'll bet Robbert's as pissed as I am.

Dave Brough

[Jerry Roane]

Dave Brough

The rich get richer and the poor get poorer is the saying.  The Bible says in Proverbs 22:16 

He that oppresseth the poor to increase himself, and giveth unto the rich, shall surely come to poverty.  

It has been true for thousands of years and is still true.  Gifting to the ultra rich does not work out in the end.  

What they need are fast trips from the airport to the convention center (3.4 miles) that are assured to be scam free.  

Jerry Roane 

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[Dave Brough]

Jerry, you say "they need fast trips from the airport to the convention center"

 

Most people (I assume) do not truck from the airport to the convention center. They truck to their hotel, unload, thence to the CV. Regardless, the average trip from airport to hotel is only 12 minutes.

The county's CV is but one of over a dozen. My thinking is that the need is to link them all - which Elon is proposing as his phase two.

 

 

 

[Jerry Roane]

Dave Brough

I agree Las Vegas has a nicely placed airport for such a large city.  Dallas has managed to hang onto their close airport too.  Love Field.  

12 minutes is not the problem it is the price per mile that they are required to pay for those 12 minutes.  If you were to propose a dual mode transportation idea that has a complete network not just a couple loops,  then you would have something.  If your dual mode pod had a locking trunk you wouldn't need to go check in to the hotel to attend the first day of your convention.  You could leave your luggage in the pod all weekend if you didn't feel like lugging all your suitcases through the hotel lobby.  You could just bring the stuff you need for the next day from the trunk.  Just an option.  As a presenter I have luggage for clothes and a bunch of junk that I am forced to carry on so it doesn't get smashed, in addition to clothes.  I could leave that stuff safely in the locked trunk of the dual mode car with camera surveillance. 

Jerry Roane 

[Dave Brough]

Jerry, 

Here's how Elon proposes it

They also say they'll move 15,000 pax/hr. No explanation on that. What I see is an elevator that will take at least a minute per vehicle, if not more.

The best thing the CV can do is to lock Elon in on a performance contract, wait out the time, sue, then take you to do the job, which includes your HS link to San Diego. 

Dave

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[Jerry Roane]

Dave Brough

Moving 15,000 real passengers with bags and buckets of dollars from casino winning is going to require offline loading of the seating.  I could devise a way to shove 15,000 people into the doors but I doubt the tunneling guys can do that.  Too many stops.  On my trip to China on the High Speed Train I was warned by our cute little guide that we need to move fast when the doors open.  No time for sauntering along down the isles and placing your bags in the overhead bins.  It was pile them here by the door and move on to the seats.  I was not quite seated when the train left the station in Nanjing.  My 3D printed model took a hard hit from another passenger's luggage about mid trip even though I was trying to protect it with my life.  Luckily my 3D printer did a good job of printing that PLA plastic scale model.    

I am betting Elon has more expensive lawyers than the government.  He may step into a performance contract out of ego though.  

That single line cannot compete for reliability with a network. If there is a single line failure the whole things shuts down.  Chicago had a problem last month where a dude fell on a circuit board and took the entire transit system down in the city.  

https://www.chicagotribune.com/business/ct-biz-amtrak-metra-union-station-switching-problem-20190301-story.html

I wouldn't want to be THAT guy! 

Jerry Roane 

[Dave Brough]

Jerry, you say "Las Vegas has a nicely placed airport for such a large city.  Dallas has managed to hang onto their close airport too.  Love Field."

There's a saying: "Flying is a safe way to travel, provided you don’t take off or have to land".

Pun intended, but I think you are dead wrong on that one. 

Airports should not be nicely placed: they should be safely placed. Airports are growth magnets. What was nicely and safely placed 5 or so decades ago (meaning outta sight outta mind) is now nicely located within the community at large. Case in point, your Love Field, which thanks to its own success is now also surrounded by city. It's even got a 1,200-foot high skyscraper within a mile. Airports are designated places to crash and burn and the day after Dallas has its Big One, people will be asking one question: Why didn't we close the damn place years ago? 

Not to get into that canaworms again, if Hero Sully didn't have built-up Manhattan but just pucker factor to worry about - meaning it was a clean and clear shot in the middle of nowhere like, say, Denver's relocated Stapleton - chances are that he would have successfully returned and dead-sticked, had his 15 seconds of fame, and that would have been that.

[Jerry Roane]

Dave Brough

Point taken about the risk to the public.  Speaking of risk small airplanes tend to crash a bit too.  My house here is under the landing flight path of Georgetown Municipal Airport.  It caters to smaller planes.  They fly over my house at about 400 feet on approach.  It is most annoying when a newer prop pusher plane lands.  The other noise factor is occasionally military helicopters fly in and they can make some noise.   I hope they do stay in the air.  

Jerry Roane 

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[Dave Brough]

For those interested noise, here's a link to a national noise chart that you can zoom in on and find what it's like in your area. Here's Austin. 

I assume that your Georgetown is the blip to the north. 

Having once been located on a glide path of an airport, I don't envy your location one bit. 

Piston engines are a lot more aggravating than turbine, especially when they're in high pitch, which is usually the case for taking of and landing. Ultralights are the worst. Can't wait for the pax-carrying drones that 'they' claim are on the horizon. 

Fortunately, when HS dual mode comes a long, commercial air traffic will be cut in half. Can't wait.

Dave 

[Jerry Roane]

Dave Brough

My house is under the "X" in red north of Round Rock.  We are almost in the military noise from the military base.  When I was growing up the scout meeting hall was up the hill from Carswell Air Force Base.  B52 s used to do touch and go training.   They would fly over and it felt like you could touch the landing gear.  All conversations had to stop for about a minute while they went over.

Everyone pays for noise pollution.  Also no one is ever compensated for air pollution.  Class action as it stands is not justice.  If courts were fair we would get paid for impositions.

Jerry Roane