Installing Adobe Creative Cloud on BYOD devices

[je...@apps.eggs.school.nz]

Hi Everyone

We are about to begin offering to install Adobe Creative Cloud on our students own devices using our pool of device licenses.

We have tested that we can install this on both Mac and Windows using the packages we've created and it works well.

Is anyone doing this already and if so, have you found a way to streamline this process in terms of installation, as we are currently looking at a hands-on process for every device.

We have considerable interest (85 and counting) already from our students and any way we can make this easier for us would be welcomed.

Kind regards,

Joanne Eden

Epsom Girls Grammar School

[Nick Steenson]

Is that allowed within your Adobe licence?

I've been keeping device licences to school owned (or leased) machines, but I'll admit I've not dug into the possibilities. I'm sure you could just create a distribution package (deployment instructions) and a bat/bash script to run on their devices?

Nick

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[Alistair Baird]

It is allowed, but you cannot put it back on the device once you've revoked the licence. The trouble is it takes forever to load the programme, and I tried installing it off a USB drive and our iMac's didn't like it, so I just copied the file from the USB drive to the local HDD, then it installed from there. It's about a 21GB file to copy. 

On 14 March 2018 at 11:35, Nick Steenson <stee...@mtaspiring.school.nz> wrote:

Is that allowed within your Adobe licence?

I've been keeping device licences to school owned (or leased) machines, but I'll admit I've not dug into the possibilities. I'm sure you could just create a distribution package (deployment instructions) and a bat/bash script to run on their devices?

Nick

On 14 March 2018 at 11:30, <je...@apps.eggs.school.nz> wrote:

Hi Everyone

We are about to begin offering to install Adobe Creative Cloud on our students own devices using our pool of device licenses.

We have tested that we can install this on both Mac and Windows using the packages we've created and it works well.

Is anyone doing this already and if so, have you found a way to streamline this process in terms of installation, as we are currently looking at a hands-on process for every device.

We have considerable interest (85 and counting) already from our students and any way we can make this easier for us would be welcomed.

Kind regards,

Joanne Eden

Epsom Girls Grammar School

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Alistair Baird

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[Kevin Whelan]

hands on here

the easist way we found was to get them to download the trial from adobe then you just run your license file over it and its done in seconds

[Julian Davison]

That's what I did at home for my daughter - she was very vague on what she was meant to do (which I mostly pin on her rather than the school).

She was given a licensing package (only) which was on a share at school so she put it on a flash drive.

The plain old trial seemed to work, even after the licensing was applied - though I didn't spend ages looking - there wasn't any clear sign that it was no longer a trial..

[Blake Richardson]

We looked into this and it was a mine field. You can install the school version on BYOD device BUT you cannot charge them for it as it breaches your Adobe agreement. We found it was easier to direct the students to purchasing the student version, if its only needed short term they can use a monthly subscription. Adobe has killed off the days of schools being able to purchase speical licensing to onsell to students, the only option unless the school wants to bear the cost is for the end user to purchase it themselves. 

[Alistair Baird]

We were encouraged just last month to "sell" our unused licences.

On 14 March 2018 at 13:38, Blake Richardson <bla...@stmargarets.school.nz> wrote:

We looked into this and it was a mine field. You can install the school version on BYOD device BUT you cannot charge them for it as it breaches your Adobe agreement. We found it was easier to direct the students to purchasing the student version, if its only needed short term they can use a monthly subscription. Adobe has killed off the days of schools being able to purchase speical licensing to onsell to students, the only option unless the school wants to bear the cost is for the end user to purchase it themselves. 

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[Blake Richardson]

Alistair CC or CS licenses? If they are Creative Cloud you have been put wrong. I went through the whole onsell process with multiple resellers and had one check with the Adobe Distributor for NZ and they came back to say we couldn't onsell school licenses to students you can only gift them at no cost.

[Alistair Baird]

Definitely CC, as that's what we have. I guess you could gift them, and the course material fees cover it.

On 14 March 2018 at 13:57, Blake Richardson <bla...@stmargarets.school.nz> wrote:

Alistair CC or CS licenses? If they are Creative Cloud you have been put wrong. I went through the whole onsell process with multiple resellers and had one check with the Adobe Distributor for NZ and they came back to say we couldn't onsell school licenses to students you can only gift them at no cost.

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[Julian Davison]

I'm assuming my daughters school hasn't got things mixed up (and that I've been told the same things as the school believes!) but it was presented to us as Creative Cloud at a cost of less than the standard student package available direct from Adobe per month. Is this likely to be an on-sell of standard education licencing, then?

On Wed, Mar 14, 2018 at 2:04 PM, Alistair Baird <bai...@stpeterspn.school.nz> wrote:

Definitely CC, as that's what we have. I guess you could gift them, and the course material fees cover it.

On 14 March 2018 at 13:57, Blake Richardson <bla...@stmargarets.school.nz> wrote:

Alistair CC or CS licenses? If they are Creative Cloud you have been put wrong. I went through the whole onsell process with multiple resellers and had one check with the Adobe Distributor for NZ and they came back to say we couldn't onsell school licenses to students you can only gift them at no cost.

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Alistair Baird

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[Blake Richardson]

That could work, I have just confirmed with Adobe that schools cannot onsell their licensing. I know there was an advertisement from a major reseller which advertised CC for less than $30 per student for a year. What they didn't mention is about not being able to charge the student for this license.

[Alistair Baird]

My daughter bought it last year for Uni, then this year the cost was DOUBLE. So she flagged it and is just going to use the Uni computers to do her work on. I think Adobe have a very good product when I see what my son is doing with it, but they aren't winning favours with the constantly changing licensing models and cost, hence the confusion that abounds.

[Julian Davison]

Is that specific to NZ schools?

On Wed, Mar 14, 2018 at 2:10 PM, Blake Richardson <bla...@stmargarets.school.nz> wrote:

That could work, I have just confirmed with Adobe that schools cannot onsell their licensing. I know there was an advertisement from a major reseller which advertised CC for less than $30 per student for a year. What they didn't mention is about not being able to charge the student for this license.

[Alistair Baird]

I was enquiring through Cyclone.

On 14 March 2018 at 14:27, Julian Davison <jul...@davison.org.nz> wrote:

Is that specific to NZ schools?

On Wed, Mar 14, 2018 at 2:10 PM, Blake Richardson <bla...@stmargarets.school.nz> wrote:

That could work, I have just confirmed with Adobe that schools cannot onsell their licensing. I know there was an advertisement from a major reseller which advertised CC for less than $30 per student for a year. What they didn't mention is about not being able to charge the student for this license.

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[Blake Richardson]

Julian yes that is specific to NZ schools. There is NO license options available that allow schools to onsell. I spent months asking this question multiple way with lots of different people.

[Julian Davison]

Cool, thanks. I wasn't sure if the screenshot was Adobe Central (whereever that is) or they were NZ aware - the install on BYOD concept seems unique to NZ, according to the Adobe PDF.

On Fri, Mar 16, 2018 at 1:50 PM, Blake Richardson <bla...@stmargarets.school.nz> wrote:

Julian yes that is specific to NZ schools. There is NO license options available that allow schools to onsell. I spent months asking this question multiple way with lots of different people.

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[Kevin Whelan]

Its only in the last 18 months the license actually had any visible way of representing your install base.
the trap is trying to tie the students workstations with their weird usually obscene computer names in your license database so when they leave etc you know which ones to decommission. Giving the student the license file is crazy, they could share it on facebook and you'd have half the country licensed under your school account.

[Blake Richardson]

I agree with you Kevin, our license file doesn't my departments hands. Even staff don't have access to it because its to easy for someone to install it on their computer at home not knowing we actually have a limited number of licenses and have to pay for it....

[je...@apps.eggs.school.nz]

Thank you for all the responses.

The fastest way will be to have the student install a trial version of at least one product and bring their device to our Helpdesk to run the device license file. 

In response to the discussion around recovering the cost from students we have double checked with our supplier and one other who both in turn have re-checked with Adobe. 

The answer from Adobe through both suppliers is that in regards to student-owned devices:

• It is a breach of  the Adobe Licensing Agreement to sell or on-sell Adobe licenses to students
  
• It is not a breach of the Adobe Licensing Agreement to charge students an Administration Fee for provisioning of the license, installation of software or updates etc.
  

Kind regards,

Joanne Eden

[Nick Steenson]

And if the Admin fee happens to match the license cost + a coffee exactly....

Nick

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[Alistair Baird]

Anyone see Fair-Go ast night ? If you buy a personal copy, they have a 14-day no questions asked return, but good luck on getting a refund!

On 20 March 2018 at 09:03, Nick Steenson <stee...@mtaspiring.school.nz> wrote:

And if the Admin fee happens to match the license cost + a coffee exactly....

Nick

On 20 March 2018 at 09:02, <je...@apps.eggs.school.nz> wrote:

Thank you for all the responses.

The fastest way will be to have the student install a trial version of at least one product and bring their device to our Helpdesk to run the device license file. 

In response to the discussion around recovering the cost from students we have double checked with our supplier and one other who both in turn have re-checked with Adobe. 

The answer from Adobe through both suppliers is that in regards to student-owned devices:

• It is a breach of  the Adobe Licensing Agreement to sell or on-sell Adobe licenses to students
  
• It is not a breach of the Adobe Licensing Agreement to charge students an Administration Fee for provisioning of the license, installation of software or updates etc.
  

Kind regards,

Joanne Eden

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[Julian Davison]

I had wondered if it fell into that category - you can't sell the license itself (as I recall, you never have been allowed to resell education licences), but charging a fee for providing it is fine as it doesn't imply any transfer of ownership or rights...