Real NOOB - help with making a "standalone app"

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shykitten55

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Aug 23, 2016, 5:26:33 AM8/23/16
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I seem to remember there is now a function where you can write a "thingy" in  Tasker and then make it a stand alone block which runs by itself.

I can't seem to remember how to do that, but there is (typically) another problem.

There are a few apps out there which SUPPOSEDLY do Morse Code for incoming calls - caller name.

From what I have seen it plays a sound and pulses.  Good.
There is a problem if the incoming call is NOT from someone in the phone book.
Not insurmountable, but beyond me at this stage.

There are other tasker "projects" in the works, but they can wait and not for this thread.

Thanks in advance.



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Aug 24, 2016, 4:02:17 AM8/24/16
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I seem to remember there is now a function where you can write a "thingy" in  Tasker and then make it a stand alone block which runs by itself.

Install the app Tasker App Factory. Long-click whatever task or project you want to make standalone, select Export, then As App. 

>There is a problem if the incoming call is NOT from someone in the phone book.

How would any app be able to signal the caller name if it's unknown to the device ?

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Cat

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Aug 26, 2016, 1:54:15 AM8/26/16
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Small problem.

I "long click" on the task, export, as app.

It says "please select an icon for the task."

I know some tasks allow icon selection, but just now it beats me where to do that.

I also think the documentation is not up to date, as export as app is not mentioned in my quick search for adding an icon when saving as an app.

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shykitten55

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Aug 26, 2016, 2:22:19 AM8/26/16
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Over that.  now problem with the name.


For simpliity, lets say:


App name:  morse code ring tone

I enter
com.blah.<myname>.morseringtone

Not accepted.  the line goes blank with nohting said.

Stuck.

Pent

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Aug 26, 2016, 4:12:16 AM8/26/16
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I enter
com.blah.<myname>.morseringtone

In the Package Name field I presume.

Not accepted.  the line goes blank with nohting said.

Perhaps you have disabled Notifications for Tasker in Android
settings ?

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shykitten55

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Aug 26, 2016, 10:35:56 PM8/26/16
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Here's the weirdest thing:

Last night (it is now "tomorrow" reletivly) I got it to save the .APK file.

Don't ask me how or why.

It worked.   Though the name is/was nothing like what I entered.

I have since learned:
There can only be ONE TASK in the all.
There can only be ONE PROFILE in the app.
(that was kind of skipped over in previous readings)

So, I have to make a whole new PROFILE and add the one task.

Ok, not profile, the name escapes me......
But there is only ONE profile and ONE task.

Go to the task window, long click on the task name, export as app and get to the name page.

I am going bald getting it to work - again.

As it worked last night, it proves "it can be done", but repeating it is .........   beyond me.

Please, a very clear and simple explanation is needed.

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Aug 27, 2016, 4:59:28 AM8/27/16
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There can only be ONE TASK in the all.
There can only be ONE PROFILE in the app.
(that was kind of skipped over in previous readings)

That's not correct, you can have as many as you want.

I recommend reading the userguide section about app creation.

http://tasker.dinglisch.net/userguide/en/appcreation.html

The FAQ about app creation can also be useful (linked from above).

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Cat

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Aug 27, 2016, 5:09:02 AM8/27/16
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Thanks.

I only posted what I believe I read.

Shall read the link.

Oh, I think I found the <ENTER> button when entering the name, which is not really explained anywhere I can find.


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Aug 27, 2016, 8:51:18 PM8/27/16
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Becoming more "complicated" now....   (Is that a good thing or a bad thing?)

The "App" works stand alone.   Or I think it does.   What ever....

The "complication" is that it may be a good idea to have an "on/off" for the App.
Also, a couple of settings for things like:  Speed, volume and frequency.

I can get the On/Off as that is a simple "widget" with an ON/OFF thingy.
I guess I just "poll" the widget and get the status.

But for things like getting a value, that's a whole other can of worms.

Ok, in the examples there are "basic" sliders show - I seem to remember - and basic On/Off buttons.
I was wanting to take that little extra effort and make it just that much better.

I'm guessing there are widgets for the on/off, but how about the "volume" one?
I shall have to take a crash course on making a "scene" with the widgets on it.   But how to make the initial "widget" (or menu icon)?

How easy is this going to be for this village idiot?

Jay M

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Aug 27, 2016, 9:37:31 PM8/27/16
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#The "complication" is that it may be a good idea to have an "on/off" for the App.#

Use a scene to build an interactive UI for the app.

#Also, a couple of settings for things like:  Speed, volume and frequency.#

You can make custom variables use them in your scene.

#Ok, in the examples there are "basic" sliders show - I seem to remember - and basic On/Off buttons.#

Yeah there is but I have no idea what examples these are :/

#I was wanting to take that little extra effort and make it just that much better.#

And what's stopping you?

#I'm guessing there are widgets for the on/off, but how about the "volume" one?#

I don't know what you mean I can think of about 4 ways you can present a way to adjust volume: numberpicker,editext,seekbar,buttons have you even played with the scene editor yet? it has a lot of useful widgets

#I shall have to take a crash course on making a "scene" with the widgets on it.#  

Yeah that would be a good idea but i'd just get stuck in and mess about, you will figure some things out on your own and when it comes to video tutorials and that you will be familiar with scenes and should get things done easier/quicker.

#But how to make the initial "widget" (or menu icon)?#

There already made you just need to configure them.

#How easy is this going to be for this village idiot?#

Very easy to very hard its not difficult but people struggle with different things I think the Material design plugin might make things easier though it has things like Toolbars and Navigation drawers (I think) i seen it used but never actually used it myself.

https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.nick.mowen.materialdesignplugin


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Aug 27, 2016, 10:32:12 PM8/27/16
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Well, I guess I deserved some of your replies.

The thing is I know very little about tasker.  Though I do appreciate its power/usefulness.

I am needing help with finding the "structure" for these functions.

At this point, I am trying things via "abstraction" and so everything is its own little "thing" and they are connected via other thins.

I'm not sure how that is all supposed to work, but I am giving the thought process a go/try.

So, writing an "app" so it puts a "widget" on the screen and that widget allows me to turn the app on and off while another widget allows adjustment to variables within the app sounds nice, applying it is a whole other story, to which I have no knowledge on how to even start doing it.

Though I shall try my best.


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Jay M

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Aug 27, 2016, 11:58:20 PM8/27/16
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#Well, I guess I deserved some of your replies#

Not sure what you mean by that I was tryna help ya, i answer the full post i'm not about to walk you through it if that's what your looking for there's plenty of youtube tutorials that can help you. Your post also lacked a lot of info and wasn't very clear to me.

#The thing is I know very little about tasker.  Though I do appreciate its power/usefulness#

Ah don't worry about that none of us did at the beginning and it is kinda intimidating but if ya stick with it it gets a lot easier once you have the basics down and you know your way around the UI :)

#So, writing an "app" so it puts a "widget" on the screen and that widget allows me to turn the app on and off#

Turning the app on/off from inside the app might be a hard thing to do programmactically, to disable an app you need to disable the apps package I think, but if you do that how can it be turned back on? Unless you mean starting/stopping one of your apps tasks from an on/off button and not the actual app itself. Like I said your last post lacked info its not clear what you mean.

start here https://youtu.be/EzY9te12UI0


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Aug 28, 2016, 12:15:26 AM8/28/16
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Sorry.  I was only being silly.   I am just now going through some of thr online examples TRYING to understand them.

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Aug 28, 2016, 12:44:20 AM8/28/16
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Yes, those are the videos I am watching.


I have made a "scene" and am putting things on it.

I need 1 x Toggle.
3 x scrolling number selectors.
and some text.

The toggle was a toss up between the TOGGLE and the TICK BOX.   Anyway.

I put the TOGGLE on the screen/scene but the text isn't visible.  I had to make a text box beside it to see what I wanted to be shown.   Annoying.

Same with the (for now) 2 number scroll things.  Sorry, number PICKERs.

I set a Max/Min value, and a "starting value.  On one it is at that value, on the other it isn't.

The "names" of these things and their TEXT are different and confusing to me - partly.
However, again:  the text I enter is NOT shown.

I think I have worked out how to get the value from the number picker to the rest of the program, but not sure.

For now, this is a problem for me as none f the tutorials explain "if it doesn't work, this is what you do."
So the "extra" text blocks are needed as the text I enter for the number picker/s isn't shown, nor for the toggle button.


In the mean time, I shall continue to bash my head against the wall and hope something happens.

What I may do is break it down to smaller things and try to just see if the scene is returning the values from each and displaying the results in a "box" somewhere.   But I fear that in itself is whole new adventure on top of the one of me writing a program for someone.

Hope to hear back.



Cat

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Aug 28, 2016, 1:42:15 AM8/28/16
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Out oc sheer frustration this is my effo rt.

Yes it is a mess and there is an extra tick box on the config screen/scene.

I left it there to shoe I havr tried.

Somehow the variablr names are not working or being set.   Eg  %SMSRINGENABLE

Help would be appreciated.



<TaskerData sr="" dvi="1" tv="4.8u5m">
<Task sr="task34">
<cdate>1472360139510</cdate>
<edate>1472361978491</edate>
<id>34</id>
<nme>Config SMS ring</nme>
<Kid sr="Kid">
<launchID>34</launchID>
<pkg>a.c.e.d.e.morsering</pkg>
<vnme>1.0</vnme>
<vnum>7</vnum>
</Kid>
<Action sr="act0" ve="7">
<code>47</code>
<Str sr="arg0" ve="3">Edit</Str>
<Int sr="arg1" val="6"/>
<Int sr="arg2" val="100"/>
<Int sr="arg3" val="100"/>
<Int sr="arg4" val="0"/>
<Int sr="arg5" val="1"/>
<Int sr="arg6" val="1"/>
</Action>
<Img sr="icn" ve="2">
<cls>kristian.jagd.Morse.MorseActivity</cls>
<pkg>kristian.jagd.Morse</pkg>
</Img>
</Task>
</TaskerData>

Cat

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Aug 28, 2016, 2:18:21 AM8/28/16
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Sorry m8sser this part.

<TaskerData sr="" dvi="1" tv="4.8u5m">

<Profile sr="prof27" ve="2">
<cdate>1472277004948</cdate>
<clp>true</clp>
<edate>1472362512340</edate>
<id>27</id>
<mid0>24</mid0>
<mid1>28</mid1>
<nme>Incoming Call</nme>
<State sr="con0" ve="2">
<code>40</code>
<Int sr="arg0" val="0"/>
<Str sr="arg1" ve="3"/>
</State>
</Profile>
<Task sr="task24">
<cdate>1472264043550</cdate>
<edate>1472362600116</edate>
<id>24</id>
<nme>MorseCodeName</nme>
<pri>100</pri>
<Kid sr="Kid">
<launchID>24</launchID>
<pkg>aa.bb.cc.dd.ee.morsecodename</pkg>
<vnme>1.0</vnme>
<vnum>3</vnum>


</Kid>
<Action sr="act0" ve="7">

<code>37</code>
<ConditionList sr="if">
<Condition sr="c0" ve="3">
<lhs>%SMSRINGENABLE</lhs>
<op>1</op>
<rhs>1</rhs>
</Condition>
</ConditionList>
</Action>
<Action sr="act1" ve="7">
<code>172</code>
<Str sr="arg0" ve="3">%CNAME</Str>
<Int sr="arg1" val="4000"/>
<Int sr="arg2" val="80"/>
<Int sr="arg3" val="50"/>
<Int sr="arg4" val="3"/>
<ConditionList sr="if">
<Condition sr="c0" ve="3">
<lhs>%ANS</lhs>
<op>0</op>
<rhs>0</rhs>
</Condition>
</ConditionList>
</Action>
<Action sr="act2" ve="7">
<code>38</code>


</Action>
<Img sr="icn" ve="2">

<cls>com.keuwl.functiongenerator.MainActivity</cls>
<pkg>com.keuwl.functiongenerator</pkg>
</Img>
</Task>
<Task sr="task28">
<cdate>1472277233534</cdate>
<edate>1472277251975</edate>
<id>28</id>


<Action sr="act0" ve="7">

<code>547</code>
<Str sr="arg0" ve="3">%ANS</Str>
<Str sr="arg1" ve="3">0</Str>
<Int sr="arg2" val="0"/>
<Int sr="arg3" val="0"/>
</Action>
</Task>
</TaskerData>

shykitten55

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Aug 28, 2016, 3:07:06 AM8/28/16
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Well, as you can see from the two previous posts, I know JACK of the code, or how to export it.

The first one was about an hour ago, then I realised part was "missing" and I posed the second piece.

You can see that from the phone it is near impossible to send the files with text explaining them.

I feel there is still a WHOLE LOT MISSING from it.


So, another hour down the time line here ins the best ENGLISH explination I can do:

PROFILE:
Incoming call  -->  MorseCodeName

TASKS:
MorseCodeName  --  Text %CNAME  Frequency 4000   Speed 80%  Amplitude 50%    Stream - Media.

Ideally, the "config" SCENE would open a window (discussed) with 4 funtions:
Enable
Speed
Volume
Frequency

Enable - enables the app to run or not.   It may be needed to be "turned off" at certain times.
Including this makes it easier than going into APPMANAGER and stopping the app.
Speed - well that is how fast the MorseCode is played.
Volume - (take a guess)
Frequency - the frequency of the  tone.
Who knows, some people may want a different frequency.

Their names are:   (and don't ask why I called it SMS......   SMS, MORSE....  Both a signalling system to me.)
%SMSRINGENABLE
%SMSRINGSPEED
%SMSRINGTONEFREQUENCY
%SMSRINGVOLUME
These "were" set by the CONFIG PROFILE, which opened a SCENE to set them.

Last night when I "got it working" I thought I had it, but it would seem I am wrong.  So today's efforts at adding a SCENE (as after watching a few TASKER 101 clips) have been in vein.   No, I am not angry at anyone.   Just perplexed how one person says one thing, another says something else, both say their way works, and yet I can't get EITHER to work.

That after 1.6 hours trying to work out how to EXPORT AS APP to work.

So, last night:

I had the settings in TASKER and when I rang the phone, Morse Code was heard.
I exported it as an APP and installed it.    STUPIDLY I forgot to disable it in TASKER.   Silly me.
I rang the phone again and it "worked".   Hurray!

So, onwards and upwards, today I watched all these things about SCENES and thought:   "I could put a settings screen on the app."

So I spent a couple of hours watching the rest of the videos and then setting the SCENE up, putting the "buttons" on it.   FUN FUN FUN - NOT!
Getting their text visible, working out how to assign variable names to them and read them and then pass it over/on/up to the rest of the program was fun.

Great, tried it and it failed horribly.   Names were not set for the speed, volume or frequency.  So I had to go back and put them to fixed values.

Then I had to try and make a thing which would show me if a variable was set or not from the SCENE.   Another 50, or so, minutes.

Now, I realise the whole thing doesn't work.   It was the programs in TASKER which made me think they were exported and working.   I'll cop that.

But then, trying to export them to show/share/ask for help, well, that was painful enough in itself.   Especially from a Phone.

Then I reaslied that I didn't send it all, and am now still sure I haven't sent it all, so what chance do I have of getting help?    Probably less than zero, as people will say:  Well, if we can't see the code, how are we supposed to help?


Honestly:   is it THAT difficult?   I have the "code" working in TASKER - as wobbly as it probably is - it works.
Yet, although it exports and "installs" it just won't work.

Believe me, I do have better things to do.   But just now, I want to learn about TASKER as it does have such promise, and I can think of a lot of things it can do that apps just don't/won't/can't or don't any more.


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After a bit of effort I worked out how to export the whole thing so here is the BASIC version - basic, as in the smallest, leanest featureless version.

If you load this (I hope) it will make a PROFILE and TASK.
Assign an icon to the task before exporting it.

But, as an indulgence:  Activate it and ring your phone.
It will ring but also play morsecode.

Ok, "I don't know morsecode" I hear you say.
That's ok.  Simply listen, and if it is beeping, chances are:  It is working.

If you really want to be sure, rename your other phone to SMS (or SOS - but I have reservations about using SOS for non trivial things)
SMS is nearly the same as SOS.
SMS is dot dot dot dash dash dot dot dot.
Or,  DI DI DI DA DA DI DI DI

It should be easy to hear that.

Great!

It works - or it does on  phone.

EXPORT AT APP and then install it.   Don't forget to disable it in TASKER as well!

Repeat.

Does it work?   Not on mine.


Oh, though "off topic":
OK, I export a TASK to XML on SD card.....   Nice, it tells me where it is.
But when I export the PROFILE, it doesn't, and it isn't the same place as the TASK - or not on my phone.
Anyone know where it saves it?
I had to "cheat" and export to XML clipboard and then paste it.



<TaskerData sr="" dvi="1" tv="4.8u5m">
<Profile sr="prof30" ve="2">
<cdate>1472417836057</cdate>
<clp>true</clp>
<edate>1472417921790</edate>
<id>30</id>
<mid0>29</mid0>
<nme>IncomingCall</nme>

<State sr="con0" ve="2">
<code>40</code>
<Int sr="arg0" val="0"/>
<Str sr="arg1" ve="3"/>
</State>
</Profile>
<Task sr="task29">
<cdate>1472417504744</cdate>
<edate>1472417713142</edate>
<id>29</id>
<nme>MorseCodeName</nme>

<Action sr="act0" ve="7">
<code>172</code>
<Str sr="arg0" ve="3">%CNAME</Str>
<Int sr="arg1" val="4000"/>
<Int sr="arg2" val="80"/>
<Int sr="arg3" val="50"/>
<Int sr="arg4" val="3"/>
</Action>
<Img sr="icn" ve="2">
<cls>mobileSSH.feng.gao.

MainActivity</cls>
<pkg>mobileSSH.feng.gao</pkg>
</Img>
</Task>
</TaskerData>


Jay M

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Aug 28, 2016, 9:17:05 PM8/28/16
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daaaaayum bro your posts are all over the place I don't know were to begin lol, anyways ima start from the last one because you probably figured a lot of it out already.

#But when I export the PROFILE, it doesn't, and it isn't the same place as the TASK - or not on my phone.
Anyone know where it saves it?#

Profiles need to be named by you manually long press the profile and press the A icon on the toolbar long press the profile name again and press the 3 dots (overflow) or your phones menu button and choose export xml to sd. Open a file manager and go to the tasker folder inside it there's a folder called profiles inside that is the file its a lot easier to export the project though long press the project on the bottom toolbar and choose export to sd you will Ⓕind this file in the same place as that 1^ but obviously in the project folder if you share this file it should IIRC allow you to share everything in one shot scenes/profiles/tasks.


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Aug 28, 2016, 9:39:52 PM8/28/16
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"Welcome to my world."

The posts are because I am not just sitting here expecting a reply with "the answer".  I want to learn!  I keep trying.

Yes, there are times when I "spit the dummy", but hey, there are limits.

Reading what I read, to "export as APP" I had to be in the TASK window, long click on the TASK which I wanted to export and say EXPORT TO APP
(if only it was that easy)

Even that seems wrong to me now.

There was the discussion about "only 1 task and only 1 profile allowed", then there was "it has to be in its own (Whats the name of those things at the BOTTOM of the window?)"

After reading/watching "frodo's" clips - more of them - when he got to exporting:  It was COMPLETELY DIFFERENT!
(with a few "givens" you do NOT export the TASK you want to make into an APP.

You make a NEW TASK and add in it:
TASKER / PROFILE STATUS / Then you give the name of the task you want to make into an app.

Now, I don't know if "This is the right way to do it" or not.   But doing it that way works.......

I went through all the hoo-ha, and exported the .apk.
Disabled it in TASKER - not going to fall for that trap twice!
Installed it and voila!  It works!

To be sure, I sent it to another phone and installed it there.....   It works there too!

Go figure....

What I may do on the last page of tasker when "exporting" is there is an option about "HOW" to load the app, or something.
There is:  START, STOP or TOGGLE.
This way, when you run the app, it starts, stops or toggles the running status.

Though if I am wanting to add a SCENE to edit values, I will put the option there.


See attached and try it.

I would like to know if I really have "cracked it" and got it working.
Alas FALSE POSITIVES are common here.    :(







On Monday, August 29, 2016 at 11:17:05 AM UTC+10, Jay M wrote:

daaaaayum bro your posts are all over the place I don't know were to begin lol, anyways ima start from the last one because you probably figured a lot of it out already.

#But when I export the PROFILE, it doesn't, and it isn't the same place as the TASK - or not on my phone.
Anyone know where it saves it?#

Profiles need to be named by you manually long press the profile and press the A icon on the toolbar long press the profile name again and press the 3 dots (overflow) or your phones menu button and choose export xml to sd. Open a file manager and go to the tasker folder inside it there's a folder called profiles inside that is the file its a lot easier to export the project though long press the project on the bottom toolbar and choose export to sd you will Ⓕind this file in the same place as that 1^ but obviously in the project folder if you share this file it should IIRC allow you to share everything in one shot scenes/profiles/tasks.

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MorseCodeRingTone.3.apk

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#Reading what I read, to "export as APP" I had to be in the TASK window, long click on the TASK which I wanted to export and say EXPORT TO APP
(if only it was that easy)#

It is that easy if you want a simple kid app with one task. What you want though is more advanced though.

#There was the discussion about "only 1 task and only 1 profile allowed", then there was "it has to be in its own (Whats the name of those things at the BOTTOM of the window?)"#

There called projects, aye like Pent said you can have more than one task and that you just need to group your tasks/scenes/profiles into a new project. You do this by long pressing on the bottom toolbar then typing in a name for the project then just drag and drop your tasks and stuff onto this project (onto the project name) this places them inside of the project. To export the project I explained it somewhere up there^ during the kid apps creation you need to set a launch task this will be the first thing the user sees when they run your app this should be a task that does things like set up your scene and then shows it to the user obviously your scene will have buttons and all that good stuff on it that you can use to run other tasks you setup.

#What I may do on the last page of tasker when "exporting" is there is an option about "HOW" to load the app, or something.


There is:  START, STOP or TOGGLE.

This way, when you run the app, it starts, stops or toggles the running status.#

I don't remember that but it's been a long time since I made a kid app.

#See attached and try it#

Tried it but there's no UI


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There is no UI in this version.  It just plays morsecode when the phone rings.

Mind checking that please?

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ah I see, aye it works for me.


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Great.

So given that, I can now "build on it" to include all the extra stuff.

Thanks.


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npz I dunno if ya use it but there's a couple Tasker google+ communitys azwell got some pretty clever lads and lasses over there, might be worth a look. Happy coding 👍


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Update - and don't you just hate them.....

It does work, but only for a wile.

So if you do indulge me, be sure to check your phone after a while, as further testing shows it stops ringing after a few invocations.

Oh, and it uses the MEDIA channel to play the morse code.  So what you could do is keep your original ring, and crank up the MEDIA volume while "testing" it.

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Things the work for a period are often stopping due to Android power saving:

http://tasker.dinglisch.net/userguide/en/androidpowermanagement.html

Note that the Tasker preferences mention can be set for the kid app via
the Set Tasker Pref command (i.e. running that action in the kid).

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Pent,

Thanks.

Am trying it now.  Out of interest have you looked at the XML code I posted and/or the .apk?

I really would like someone "in the know" who could see my blaring mistakes causing the problems.
The code I posted was a very basic version of what I am ultimately wanting to do, add settings (etc).

Thanks again.

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Am trying it now.  Out of interest have you looked at the XML code I posted and/or the .apk?

No, I don't have the time, sorry.

Pent 

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> Note that the Tasker preferences mention can be set for the kid app via
> the Set Tasker Pref command (i.e. running that action in the kid).

That's a interesting note..  I had always assumed all preferences were automatically hard coded into the app,  at the current Tasker values.
Does this mean the app will be set to all default preferences?
I am most likely misinterpreting something. Could you elaborate a little on this please.

Thanks,  Rich..


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Does this mean the app will be set to all default preferences?


Yes.

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