Juan Cole promoting the illegal "more blood for oil" war in Libya.
edma...@yahoo.com
war on Libya, this "blood for oil war"! I am speechless to say the
least.
As of today, the Rebels and many of them are Al Quada, Al CIA Da, are
already working in oil deals with Qatar to begin processing eastern
benghazi oil and selling it cheaper for the West and the losers of
course will be the Libyan people.
Shame on Juan Cole! This guy needs to be exposed! He may write well
pretending to work for justice but he has truly become a useful tool
for the elite since he left the Bahai Faith.
An Open Letter to the Left on Libya
http://www.juancole.com/2011/03/an-open-letter-to-the-left-on-libya.html#comment-57129
edma...@yahoo.com
links below and ask yoiurself why Juan Cole is promoting Right Winger/
Zionist International Bankers to take over Libya oil. One would think
he should know better as he is an historian and is currently writting
political events going on in the world.
Qatar ready to market east Libyan oil: rebel official
Gulf Times
A senior Libyan rebel official said yesterday Qatar had agreed to
market crude oil produced from east Libyan fields which are no longer
in the control of Muammar Gaddafi.
http://www.gulf-times.com/site/topics/article.asp?cu_no=2&item_no=424700&version=1&template_id=37&parent_id=17
Libyan rebel commander admits his fighters have al-Qaeda links
Abdel-Hakim al-Hasidi, the Libyan rebel leader, has said jihadists
who fought against allied troops in Iraq are on the front lines of the
battle against Muammar Gaddafi's regime.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/africaandindianocean/libya/8407047/Libyan-rebel-commander-admits-his-fighters-have-al-Qaeda-links.html”
> http://www.juancole.com/2011/03/an-open-letter-to-the-left-on-libya.h...
NUR
> He may write well
> pretending to work for justice but he has truly become a useful tool
> for the elite since he left the Bahai Faith.
Juan Cole has always been a useful tool of the elite, including when
he was a Baha'i, since Bahaism itself is a tool of the elite. That
said, this whole situation is rather fishy from start to finish.
Granted Ghadaffi is a brutal third-world dictator. Yet he is secular
and during a time when Islamism has been a thorn in the side of
everyone, why America and its EU allies wish to topple his regime
makes no sense other than that they wish unfettered access to the
Libyan oil fields and also for the reasons you spelled out above. That
the disturbances have now also spread to Syria and to Bashar al-
Assad's Alawite Baathist regime says that the hands of the likes of
George Soros, Neo-Liberal Foundations like the National Endowment for
Democracy and similar is all over this one whether in Tunisia, in
Egypt, Bahrain, Yemen, Libya and now Syria. Although the regime in
Iran must be toppled, Iranians also need to be vigilant and on their
guard regarding the cabal of forces arraying now to begin the ouster
of that accursed regime - which, according to George Soros, will occur
this year. In 1978-79 Iranians became unwitting pawns of a dirty
agenda and strategy by the global elite that in the end after 32 years
of theocratic totalitarianism has destroyed Iran and robbed an entire
generation of Iranians everywhere - whether inside or outside.
Just as in 1977-79 when the Anglo-American establishment unleashed a
campaign of smear, defamation and destabilization against Mohammad-
Reza Shah Pahlavi, which thrust Iran into the embrace of the
obscurantist cleric Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini and his Islamist
thugs, so too here. Neo-Liberals very similar to Juan Cole in Western
Europe and North America campaigned very hard on behalf of the
Devolutionaries of that era. Declassified documents later showed that
the American intelligence establishment was even aiding the Khomeini
camp. Then you had a whole panoply of North American and Western
European public intellectual beating their chests for Iran against
Shah. French structuralist intellectual Michel Foucault is even on
record calling Khomeini Iran's Ghandi -- a statement echoed by Jimmy
Carter. We all know how the Iranian Devolution of 1979 turned out and
the rivers of blood and trails of destruction he has left, no thanks
to the Anglo-American establishment. We also know how the Karza'i
regime in Afghanistan and the so-called post-Saddam democracy in Iraq
has turned out.
Anyway, Juan Cole is a careerist and a tool. He always was and always
will be. This is how individuals such as he survive and advance their
careers in the establishments they are a part of. Let's see Juan Cole
say a few words about the situation in Wisconsin state or the fact
that the corporatization of American politics has transformed the US
into a full blown plutocratic dictatorship before he has any
credibility to talk about the woes of developing nations in the Arab-
Muslim world.
Bob
Libya,
it is laughable to imagine that Obama wants cheaper oil for America.
He has explicitly stated that he wants to make oil so expensive that
we will have to reduce our
industrial consumption. He has forbidden oil production in the US
while funding it in Brazil.
(Does he intend to invade Brazil? I don't think so.)
And to think that Obama is in any way sympatheitic to Zionists is a
ridiculous thought.
He hates Israel.
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NUR
politics equation - or much of anything else besides photo ops. It is
the petroleum companies or the plutocratic corporatocracy that rules
North America that matters. US presidents are merely rubber-stamp
patsies to the behind the scenes maneuverings of America's government
of corporations by corporations and for corporations. And, no, Obama
does not hate Zionists either. His presidency was anointed by AIPAC
before he was even elected. That is how America really works. As a
politician in the US if you are not beholden to the shadowy forces of
the behind the scenes elites running the show, you end up like the
Kennedy brothers JFK and RFK, or more recently JFK jnr.
Bob
Fillmore.
But his behind-the-scenes handlers are not the industrial moguls and
oil barons.
They are (among others) the labor unions, leftist radicals, and
wealthy magnates such as
George Soros, who envision a socialist world under their thumbs.
As to whether Obama hates Zionists, one must understand that hatred of
Israel is one
of the most widespread, yet most disguised prejudices on the national
scene.
Even most American JEWS profess sympathy for Palestinian terrorists on
some level.
Even in Israel there is a strong so-called peace movement that
protects terrorists.
It is easy to concoct conspiracy theories that satisfy one's
preconceived prejudices.
But it is much more difficult to piece together the less dramatic,
but more realistic conspiracies of money and power that operate in the
shadows.
For so-called anti-Zionists, I suspect that there is absolutely
nothing in the world that
could make such a person stop hating Jews. Nothing. The hatred is
the basis of all
the theories that follow. Facts change nothing for such people. The
hatred dominates everything.
It matters little whether the objects of hatred are Jewish or Muslim,
Hindu or Sikh,
Christian or Baha'i, Clinton or Bush. Once the hatred has been
established, all subsequent
facts are warped into the shape of the hate mold.
Real life does not fit that mold.
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On Mar 28, 8:42 pm, NUR <wahidaza...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Bob, you are asleep at the wheel. Obama does not count in the oil
> politics equation - or much of anything else besides photo ops. It is
> the petroleum companies or the plutocratic corporatocracy that rules
> North America that matters. US presidents are merely rubber-stamp
> patsies to the behind the scenes maneuverings of America's government
> of corporations by corporations and for corporations. And, no, Obama
> does not hate Zionists either. His presidency was anointed by AIPAC
> before he was even elected. That is how America really works. As a
> politician in the US if you are not beholden to the shadowy forces of
> the behind the scenes elites running the show, you end up like the
> Kennedy brothers JFK and RFK, or more recently JFK jnr.
>
> On Mar 29, 6:54 am, Bob <RobertAr...@msn.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > While I completely disagree with Obama's incoherent policy regarding
> > Libya,
> > it is laughable to imagine that Obama wants cheaper oil for America.
> > He has explicitly stated that he wants to make oil so expensive that
> > we will have to reduce our
> > industrial consumption. He has forbidden oil production in the US
> > while funding it in Brazil.
> > (Does he intend to invade Brazil? I don't think so.)
> > And to think that Obama is in any way sympatheitic to Zionists is a
> > ridiculous thought.
> > He hates Israel.
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NUR
awhile and get some perspective from outside of the Tea Party
propaganda. Obama is not a left-wing radical, a socialist, nor
beholden to trade unions or feminists. Nor does Obama hate Israel. He
would not be in office if he did. Neither is George Soros a left-wing
radical, a socialist or beholden to any belated Communist agendas or
out to destroy Israel. This rhetoric by the American Tea Party right
is so ridiculously delusional and off the deep end it is downright
laughable.
Nor are trade unions in America remotely independent. Beginning with
the AFL-CIO all the way to most other TUs, the entire North American
trade union scene is a facade controlled by the corporate
establishment itself -- and, other than a brief resurgence in the
1960s, it is has been this way since the 1930s. You show me when was
the last time trade unions in the US managed to convince federal
lawmakers to increase the minimum wage by 20%-50% or even engaged in
successful nationwide wage bargaining, and I'll grant you the point.
Now Obamacare and universal health care is not socialism. It is the
minimum governments in post-industrial societies should do to
safeguard the general health of their population. If they tax us,
where the heck else should the tax money go? Corporate welfare? Bail-
outs to derelict CEOs who use such bail-out money to give themselves
hefty salary raises? Because the HMO lobby in the US stands to get
slimmer, and not make the mega-profits they have been used to for so
long, the Tea Party loons brand it socialism, get people elected to
Congress and start whipping ya'll into a frenzy to repeal it. We in
the rest of the industrialized world enjoy some level of universal
health care benefits which you Americans don't. If you wish to call
Europe and Australiasia socialist, go right ahead. You make yourself
sound dumb.
That said, the American political establishment, on all its various
levels, is a government of corporations, by corporations and for
corporations. Eisenhower outright warned about the threat of the
military-industrial complex to the body politic in his 1961 farewell
speech. Since 1961 corporate plutocracy in America has gotten fatter
and encompasses far more than just the military-industrial complex
Eisenhower warned about. The international petroleum consortiums are a
key part of this estate, and the pull they have makes and breaks
public figures, creates and mis-creates policies, ad nauseum. Since
America is an energy glutton, and since the corporate energy
establishment in North America is not interested in alternatives, it
is axiomatic that the key politics that drives much of America is the
politics of energy qua oil.
Now the whole "Jew" thing that Tea Party Christian fundamentalists
like you harp on about is ultimately a non-issue. It is, rather, a
deflection from other things. That stated, there is irrefutable
evidence that JFK attempted to nationalize the Federal Reserve system
and bring it under the thumb of the US Federal government. He got
whacked. RFK was going to pursue the same thing had he had been
elected president in 1968 - which he would have had Sirhan Sirhan not
been brainwashed to assassinate him. What you call conspiracy
theories, is what the rest of those in the know call the "real world."
Bob
discuss matters seriously with leftists.
To begin with, I NEVER watch or listen to Glenn Beck.
If you could STOP filling in the blanks in your knowledge with pre-
judgments, we would have a chance for a productive discussion.
And while I do indeed watch Fox News, it is because I, like countless
other people,
found that it is often the ONLY source of any news even mildly curious
about Obama's policy discrepancies.
The other major networks are shameless propaganda rags praising him
for every miserable failure he has
presided over, including stifling US oil production while giving away
our tax dollars to help Brazil develop ITS.
But I, at least, use MULTIPLE news sources, right and left, which is
something that Fox-Haters are terrified to do.
You say that Obama is not a left wing radical.
Yet even in his campaign speeches of 2008, he spoke of redistribution
of wealth,
de-industrialization through deliberately making energy expensive,
and his apology tour was a fawning embrace of Islamic dictatorships.
Indeed, he continues (until it became too embarrassing) to
characterize
the murderous regime in Syria as reformist. Holy Cow. He did that!
But why bother explaining the obvious?
I was an ardent opponent of GW Bush's massive spending in his last
term,
I criticized his overreach on the Patriot Act,
and I agree with Obama that Afghanistan, not Iraq, was the necessary
war.
Today, Obama is promoting exactly the same unConstitutional war powers
that HE,
yes, Obama himself, criticized when Obama was a US senator.
Yet the propaganda machine praises Obama for doing what they screamed
about
when Bush was doing it.
Conservatives and Libertarians have the honesty to take non-partisan,
non-personality-cult
positions on issues. Liberals stick blindly to the party mantra.
The rest of your post just gets more ridiculous.
Trade unions have bankrupted more than one corporation, including
Eastern Airlines, GM and Chrysler, which were saved only by the tax
dollars of
Americans whose jobs are being squandered by Obama;s socialist
policies.
Those automakers were taken over at the expense of people to whom GM
and Chrysler owed money,
and for the benefit of the labor unions, which received massive
transfers of wealth.
Then you top it off with
> Now Obamacare and universal health care is not socialism.
Holy Cow, Nur. That's all I can say. Holy Cow.
If you cannot find socialism in socialized health care,
then you are either unable, or unwilling, to face obvious facts.
BTW, JFK and RFK were killed by the most blatantly socialist
institution in America, the central bank, which the Founders
warned against, and which we now call the FED.
But, of course, you think massive centralized power
is not socialism, so why bother trying to explain the obvious to you?
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describe myself as an Anarcho-Monarchist, Radical Tradititionalist and
Green Theophanocrat. I also excoriate the modern world and believe a
system of hierarchy and caste as found in Traditional civilizations,
including the ancient Iranian and Israelite civilizations, the optimum
form of rule. Democracy is rule of the mob and common rabble, or the
lowest caste (the sudra); and as both Plato and Aristotle pointed out,
democracy always leads to demagoguery and tyranny. The New Testament
theory of government is also one where a just King is to rule. The
Second Coming is about Christ setting up a Kingdom of God on earth
where he personally rules as Sovereign. Take out the sectarian
literalism, that is what I am about as well: rule by the just King
anointed by Heaven. This is also the Bayani theory of government, rule
by the just Bayani king, etc. Camelot, Avalon and the Arthurian round
table can also inform this.
Faux/Fox News is crap as is the neo-liberal nonsense that emerges from
the opposite end of the spectrum whether with CNN, CNBC, VOA, ABC,
CBS, NBC, et al. The elite of the Anglo-American corporate plutocracy
- who are nothing more than what Rene Guenon once dubbed the Satanic
Counter-Aristocracy - is a self-serving entity that has no politics or
conviction other than pure greed and its perpetual staying power and
control. They use both sides of the political fence to bemuse
themselves and basically to keep the mass of sheeple in America down
and their attentions deflected from the fact that the sheeple are
being political, economically and spiritually used (nay, raped). This
is a system of pure evil, and for all the good intentions of the
Founding American Fathers (which were genuine and many), the system
was subverted long, long ago.
This is where I stand on all this. So, that said, take back your
Marxian Leftist accusation, please. My views have more in common with
this man linked below than Karl Marx or his assorted spawns:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Julius_Evola
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My Dear Nima,
Check this out how Juan cole is being crashed by Vijay!
A Debate on U.S. Military Intervention in Libya: Juan Cole v. Vijay
Prashad
http://www.democracynow.org/2011/3/29/a_debate_on_us_military_intervention
Bob
groups--- individualists, and statists.
While I agree with you that Democracy is too volatile to serve as a
stable government, this volatility is remedied by the republic form of
government.
But the real problem is with statism, which the republic form of
government also remedies. A healthy republic will restrict the state
to its few and enumerated duties, and LEND it only enough power to
fulfill those duties.
As long as government is founded upon the sovereignty of the
individual, tyranny is prevented.
When government is founded upon the sovereignty of the king, tyranny
is both inevitable and ultimately, brutal.
The exception of course is rule by the wise and just king. But the
one and only such king is God Himself. All humans are corruptible,
and all power corrupts those humans who wield it.
Sadly, the United States has ceased to be a republic, and is swiftly
devolving toward tyranny. The voters have traded their freedom for
free things, and soon they will discover that they made a disastrous
mistake. The free things are not free.
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