#Economy losing steam as Republicans do all they can to sabotage recovery
5548 Dead, 681 since 1/20/09
The Recovery Is Losing Steam
By DAVID LEONHARDT
Forget about the drop in the unemployment rate last month. The economic
recovery has lost significant steam in the last few months.
Today’s employment report is clear on that score. Job growth in the
private sector has slowed — to 83,000 last month and a three-month
average of 119,000. From February to April, the private sector added
154,000 jobs a month. (With the Census winding down, the federal
government cut jobs last month, which explains the drop in overall
employment.)
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And unlike in May, when private-sector job growth slowed but the workweek
got longer, employers cut hours last month, too. Total hours worked last
month fell in June for the first time since February.
Average hourly pay dropped, too, to $22.53 in June, from $22.55 in May.
It’s still higher than it was a few months ago — and higher than it was
when the recession began in December 2007, surprisingly enough — but it’s
no longer moving in the right direction.
All these numbers come from the Labor Department’s survey of businesses,
which is larger and more reliable than the survey of households. But the
household survey gave essentially the same picture. It showed a big jump
(more than 800,000) in the number of people outside the labor force —
neither working nor looking for work. That’s the only reason that the
unemployment rate fell, to 9.5 percent from 9.7 percent.
I want to reiterate this point: the unemployment rate fell last month
even though actual unemployment did not fall. Only official unemployment
— the share of people actively looking for work — fell.
To the extent that the report offered any silver linings, they included a
drop in the number of people working part-time because they could not
find full-time work (to 8.6 million, from 8.8 million). The report also
suggested that private-sector job growth isn’t quite as bad as last
month’s report indicated. History suggests that true job growth may also
be a bit better the Labor Department is estimating; that’s the usual
pattern in the early stages of a recovery.
The overall picture isn’t so much of a double-dip recession as it is of a
badly wounded economy recovering at a slow pace.
But that’s not much to get excited about it. If the Senate and the
Federal Reserve were waiting for more information to decide whether the
economy needed more help, they just got it.
Billary
<dea...@deadduz.com> wrote:
Darn those evil republicans. If they hadn't held up healthcare we
would have passed it. Oh wait we did.
Something else might be the matter here. But Zippy won't tell you
about it.
Kevin Cunningham
Gee, coward, why did you repugs run up the biggest deficit in history?
Got a clue?
n...@epix.net
Its actually now the second,your guy doubled it. when Bush signed the
stimulus, nothin but hatred from the left. But when Obama signed it,
not a word out of any of you.To my credit I disagreed with both of
them doing it.
5548 Dead, 681 since 1/20/09
<sms...@mindspring.com> wrote:
>On Jul 2, 2:15�pm, Billary <billaryclinton2...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Jul 2, 10:57�am, "5548 Dead, 681 since 1/20/09"
>>
>> <dea...@deadduz.com> wrote:
>>
>> Darn those evil republicans. If they hadn't held up healthcare we
>> would have passed it. Oh wait we did.
With a unanimous vote from each party and both independents.
Couldn't happen that way now, of course.
Shut down the country and whine loudly because nothing is being done
to fix the problems the Republicans created.
That's the Republican way.
>>
>> Something else might be the matter here. But Zippy won't tell you
>> about it.
Yeah, you're a pack of goosesteppers who put party ahead of country.
>
>Gee, coward, why did you repugs run up the biggest deficit in history?
>
>Got a clue?
He won't answer that. He'll run away to whine some more.
sillapond
Gee partisan insult-meister, why are you Dems doubling down on it?
Got a clue?
First Post.
wrote:
Ironically, the first "bailout" was pushed through congress by Clinton
and Obama. They were cheered by the left the day the bill passed but
when Bush signed it he was booed by the same.
One of the more obvious and blatent displays of public liberal
hypocrisy in recent years.
Prior to that the left cheered Ted Kennedy when he spoke of writing a
bill to help with educating our kids. But when Bush signed Kennedy's
"No Child Left Behind Bill" the same people said it was Bush's worst
fuck up ever at the time.
BTW I do agree. Bush should have vetoed the first bailout bill.
NoBody
<dea...@deadduz.com> wrote:
>http://economix.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/07/02/the-recovery-is-losing-steam/
>
>The Recovery Is Losing Steam
>By DAVID LEONHARDT
Of course Zippo can't explain how Republicans are "sabotaging" the
recovery...
BillyBobMarley
> On Fri, 02 Jul 2010 09:57:25 -0500, "5548 Dead, 681 since 1/20/09"
>
> <dea...@deadduz.com> wrote:
>
> >The Recovery Is Losing Steam
> >By DAVID LEONHARDT
>
> Of course Zippo can't explain how Republicans are "sabotaging" the
> recovery...
Story of his life.Shall we proceed?
Matt
> On Fri, 02 Jul 2010 09:57:25 -0500, "5548 Dead, 681 since 1/20/09"
>
> <dea...@deadduz.com> wrote:
>
> >The Recovery Is Losing Steam
> >By DAVID LEONHARDT
>
> Of course Zippo can't explain how Republicans are "sabotaging" the
> recovery...
Post your name and address. If Republicans are elected in 2010,
and the economy has not rebounded 1000% by March 2010, you will
be submit to absolute extermination along with all other registered
Republicans.
Post or admit you are a Terrorist Coward.
Do it now.
Matt
5548 Dead, 681 since 1/20/09
Count the filibusters, bubbles. Count the filibusters.
Phlip
To stimulate jobs, we are gonna need to loan a tranch to _somebody_.
Would you like to loan it to the government you can vote for?
Or would you like to loan it to the CEOs who just fired 18 million of
you? To make a buck?
NoBody
<dea...@deadduz.com> wrote:
>On Fri, 02 Jul 2010 18:12:09 -0700, BillyBobMarley wrote:
>
>> On Jul 2, 9:02 pm, NoBody <nob...@nowhere.com> wrote:
>>> On Fri, 02 Jul 2010 09:57:25 -0500, "5548 Dead, 681 since 1/20/09"
>>>
>>> <dea...@deadduz.com> wrote:
>>> >http://economix.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/07/02/the-recovery-is-losing-
>s...
>>>
>>> >The Recovery Is Losing Steam
>>> >By DAVID LEONHARDT
>>>
>>> Of course Zippo can't explain how Republicans are "sabotaging" the
>>> recovery...
>>
>> Story of his life.Shall we proceed?
>
>Count the filibusters, bubbles. Count the filibusters.
In Zippo-land stopping a spending orgy is "sabotaging the economy".
NoBody
wrote:
Guess you miss the absolute irony in your post.
>
>Do it now.
>
Must have missed your name and address.
5548 Dead, 681 since 1/20/09
Gee, what a pity you didn't think of that during the Bush years...
Being an obsessive moron like you are, this won't do any good, but
governments should tax during good times and save against the inevitable
bad times, so they can spend freely then.
Phlip
> governments should tax during good times and save against the inevitable
> bad times, so they can spend freely then.
That happens to be in the Bible (which everyone knows is based on the
US Constitution!).
6 years of harvest and 1 year of Jubilee.
That follows the natural business cycle of boom & bust, which you can
find in the historical records of any agrarian society.
5548 Dead, 681 since 1/20/09
And in fact, it's that very biblical reference that contains the phrase,
"And proclaim liberty throughout the land". They didn't mention that the
"liberty" in question was letting the fields go fallow, and spending the
year foraging for food.
It's all very free market and libertarian, you know.
Phlip
wrote:
> > That happens to be in the Bible (which everyone knows is based on the US
> > Constitution!).
>
> > 6 years of harvest and 1 year of Jubilee.
>
> > That follows the natural business cycle of boom & bust, which you can
> > find in the historical records of any agrarian society.
>
> And in fact, it's that very biblical reference that contains the phrase,
> "And proclaim liberty throughout the land". They didn't mention that the
> "liberty" in question was letting the fields go fallow, and spending the
> year foraging for food.
>
> It's all very free market and libertarian, you know.
It also implied living on palace largess, which was the factual system
for those cultures.
BillyBobMarley
You are Zepp's puppy.Yipp Yipp.
5548 Dead, 681 since 1/20/09
He isn't, but I'm glad to see you have work as anybody's puppy.
Phlip
Duurr he'z da only one around heer I can has da intelektual corn-
versation wid!
You get back to us when you figure out how Mancala works, okay?
NoBody
<dea...@deadduz.com> wrote:
>On Sat, 03 Jul 2010 14:24:39 -0400, NoBody wrote:
>
>> On Fri, 02 Jul 2010 20:54:02 -0500, "5548 Dead, 681 since 1/20/09"
>> <dea...@deadduz.com> wrote:
>>
>>>On Fri, 02 Jul 2010 18:12:09 -0700, BillyBobMarley wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Jul 2, 9:02 pm, NoBody <nob...@nowhere.com> wrote:
>>>>> On Fri, 02 Jul 2010 09:57:25 -0500, "5548 Dead, 681 since 1/20/09"
>>>>>
>>>>> <dea...@deadduz.com> wrote:
>>>>> >http://economix.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/07/02/the-recovery-is-losing-
>>>s...
>>>>>
>>>>> >The Recovery Is Losing Steam
>>>>> >By DAVID LEONHARDT
>>>>>
>>>>> Of course Zippo can't explain how Republicans are "sabotaging" the
>>>>> recovery...
>>>>
>>>> Story of his life.Shall we proceed?
>>>
>>>Count the filibusters, bubbles. Count the filibusters.
>>
>> In Zippo-land stopping a spending orgy is "sabotaging the economy".
>
>Gee, what a pity you didn't think of that during the Bush years...
Please show where I've indicated I was happy with Bush as President.
The lefty loons however railed about him and his spending yet think
it's a great idea when Obama does even worse.
>
>Being an obsessive moron like you are, this won't do any good, but
>governments should tax during good times and save against the inevitable
>bad times, so they can spend freely then.
Government knows nothing about "saving". They simply tax and when
they run out, they tax some more.
5548 Dead, 681 since 1/20/09
> On Sat, 03 Jul 2010 13:29:09 -0500, "5548 Dead, 681 since 1/20/09"
> <dea...@deadduz.com> wrote:
>
>>On Sat, 03 Jul 2010 14:24:39 -0400, NoBody wrote:
>>
>>> On Fri, 02 Jul 2010 20:54:02 -0500, "5548 Dead, 681 since 1/20/09"
>>> <dea...@deadduz.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Fri, 02 Jul 2010 18:12:09 -0700, BillyBobMarley wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Jul 2, 9:02 pm, NoBody <nob...@nowhere.com> wrote:
>>>>>> On Fri, 02 Jul 2010 09:57:25 -0500, "5548 Dead, 681 since 1/20/09"
>>>>>>
>>>>>> <dea...@deadduz.com> wrote:
>>>>>> >http://economix.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/07/02/the-recovery-is-
losing-
>>>>s...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> >The Recovery Is Losing Steam
>>>>>> >By DAVID LEONHARDT
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Of course Zippo can't explain how Republicans are "sabotaging" the
>>>>>> recovery...
>>>>>
>>>>> Story of his life.Shall we proceed?
>>>>
>>>>Count the filibusters, bubbles. Count the filibusters.
>>>
>>> In Zippo-land stopping a spending orgy is "sabotaging the economy".
>>
>>Gee, what a pity you didn't think of that during the Bush years...
>
> Please show where I've indicated I was happy with Bush as President. The
> lefty loons however railed about him and his spending yet think it's a
> great idea when Obama does even worse.
That's because I understand the basic economic principle that you run
surpluses when times are good so you can run the deficits that are needed
to cope with when times are bad.
A pity none of you self-styled economic experts can ever figure that out.
Steve
<dea...@deadduz.com> wrote:
That's from Jamieson who has never run a surplus and who depends on
the government (food stamps) nowdays for his daily bread.
Matt
> On Fri, 2 Jul 2010 18:17:51 -0700 (PDT), Matt <matttel...@sprynet.com>
> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> >On Jul 2, 7:02 pm, NoBody <nob...@nowhere.com> wrote:
> >> On Fri, 02 Jul 2010 09:57:25 -0500, "5548 Dead, 681 since 1/20/09"
>
> >> <dea...@deadduz.com> wrote:
> >> >http://economix.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/07/02/the-recovery-is-losing-s...
>
> >> >The Recovery Is Losing Steam
> >> >By DAVID LEONHARDT
>
> >> Of course Zippo can't explain how Republicans are "sabotaging" the
> >> recovery...
>
> >Post your name and address. If Republicans are elected in 2010,
> >and the economy has not rebounded 1000% by March 2010, you will
> >be submit to absolute extermination along with all other registered
> >Republicans.
>
> >Post or admit you are a Terrorist Coward.
>
> Guess you miss the absolute irony in your post.
>
Yep, you would be a Republican.
>
>
> >Do it now.
>
> Must have missed your name and address.
Must have, its been posted numerous times.
Why? Care to come by and see me?
Matt
Ray Fischer
You rightards can do nothing more intelligent than spew hate and lies.
--
Ray Fischer
rfis...@sonic.net
Steve
Stop whining, Loser.
--
...watching Obamma supporters wimp and whine about the ecomnomy... PRICELESS
NoBody
<dea...@deadduz.com> wrote:
Since we never saved when times were "good", then Obama spending us
into oblivion now is an even bigger disaster.
>A pity none of you self-styled economic experts can ever figure that out.
>>
>>
>>>Being an obsessive moron like you are, this won't do any good, but
>>>governments should tax during good times and save against the inevitable
>>>bad times, so they can spend freely then.
>>
>> Government knows nothing about "saving". They simply tax and when they
>> run out, they tax some more.
<Zippy-crickets.wav>
NoBody
Ray Fischer
> "5548 Dead, 681 since 1/20/09"
>>That's because I understand the basic economic principle that you run
>>surpluses when times are good so you can run the deficits that are needed
>>to cope with when times are bad.
>
>Since we never saved when times were "good",
And we all know why.
> then Obama spending us
>into oblivion now is an even bigger disaster.
They're still Bush's expenses, rightard.
Do you want to cut and run from two wars, rightard?
Do you want to raise taxes, rightard?
Do you have a solution for the GOP recession, rightard?
No?
Then YOU are part of the problem.
--
Ray Fischer
rfis...@sonic.net
NoBody
>NoBody <nob...@nowhere.com> wrote:
>> "5548 Dead, 681 since 1/20/09"
>
>>>That's because I understand the basic economic principle that you run
>>>surpluses when times are good so you can run the deficits that are needed
>>>to cope with when times are bad.
>>
>>Since we never saved when times were "good",
>
>And we all know why.
Tell me any time in recent history when the government "saved".
>
>> then Obama spending us
>>into oblivion now is an even bigger disaster.
>
>They're still Bush's expenses, rightard.
Obama's been in charge for over a year and a half. It is *his* budget
and *his* spending.
>
>Do you want to cut and run from two wars, rightard?
Thought Obama promised to remove the troops from Iraq. Are they gone
yet?
>Do you want to raise taxes, rightard?
Already done and more to come -- on virtually every level.
>Do you have a solution for the GOP recession, rightard?
The Dems have controlled all legislation for over three years now.
Try to own up to your party's mistakes.
>
>No?
Stop spending...
>
>Then YOU are part of the problem.
Libs who think they can make money by paying one credit card with
another are the real problem.
liberal
>
> - Show quoted text -
Prove you have the courage of your convictions...Move to a place where
there's no government to tax your income away. Prove the validity of
your philosophy. Somalia springs to mind.
If you refuse to demonstrate you have complete confidence in your
philosphy, you're just another looneytunarian wacko.
NoBody
Your premise is faulty (as is that of most libs). I never advocated
anything that you attributed to me.
NoBody
<crickets.wav>
Ray Fischer
> rfis...@sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote:
>>NoBody <nob...@nowhere.com> wrote:
>>> "5548 Dead, 681 since 1/20/09"
>>
>>>>That's because I understand the basic economic principle that you run
>>>>surpluses when times are good so you can run the deficits that are needed
>>>>to cope with when times are bad.
>>>
>>>Since we never saved when times were "good",
>>
>>And we all know why.
>
>Tell me any time in recent history when the government "saved".
Clinton's last year in office.
>>> then Obama spending us
>>>into oblivion now is an even bigger disaster.
>>
>>They're still Bush's expenses, rightard.
>
>Obama's been in charge for over a year and a half.
So you insist that Obama should have "cut and run" from two wars,
immediately revoked Bush's tax cuts, retroactively revoked TARP, and
magically made the recession disappear.
This country still is not a dictatorship, rightard.
> It is *his* budget
>and *his* spending.
Rightard rule #1: lie, lie again, lie more, lie about lying.
>>Do you want to cut and run from two wars, rightard?
>
>Thought Obama promised to remove the troops from Iraq.
Is that a "yes"?
>>Do you want to raise taxes, rightard?
>
>Already done
Liar.
>>Do you have a solution for the GOP recession, rightard?
>
>The Dems have controlled all legislation for over three years now.
Liar.
>>No?
>
>Stop spending...
What are you going to cut, rightard? Do you have ANY clue?
>>Then YOU are part of the problem.
>
>Libs
Partisan bigot.
--
Ray Fischer
rfis...@sonic.net
NoBody
>NoBody <nob...@nowhere.com> wrote:
>> rfis...@sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote:
>>>NoBody <nob...@nowhere.com> wrote:
>>>> "5548 Dead, 681 since 1/20/09"
>>>
>>>>>That's because I understand the basic economic principle that you run
>>>>>surpluses when times are good so you can run the deficits that are needed
>>>>>to cope with when times are bad.
>>>>
>>>>Since we never saved when times were "good",
>>>
>>>And we all know why.
>>
>>Tell me any time in recent history when the government "saved".
>
>Clinton's last year in office.
Show us where this "saved" money was placed.
>
>>>> then Obama spending us
>>>>into oblivion now is an even bigger disaster.
>>>
>>>They're still Bush's expenses, rightard.
>>
>>Obama's been in charge for over a year and a half.
>
>So you insist that Obama should have "cut and run" from two wars,
>immediately revoked Bush's tax cuts, retroactively revoked TARP, and
>magically made the recession disappear.
Oh but Obama's decision to continue the wars and policies is Bush's
fault? You can't make this stuff up...
>
>This country still is not a dictatorship, rightard.
Well on its way.
>
>> It is *his* budget
>>and *his* spending.
>
>Rightard rule #1: lie, lie again, lie more, lie about lying.
Leftard rule #1: accuse someone who is speaking the truth that he's
lying. Of course, no proof is required...
>
>>>Do you want to cut and run from two wars, rightard?
>>
>>Thought Obama promised to remove the troops from Iraq.
>
>Is that a "yes"?
I'm speaking of Obama's decison.
>
>>>Do you want to raise taxes, rightard?
>>
>>Already done
>
>Liar.
See leftard rule #1. I guess the healthcare bill with all its new
taxes and fees doesn't exist after all.
>
>>>Do you have a solution for the GOP recession, rightard?
>>
>>The Dems have controlled all legislation for over three years now.
>
>Liar.
See leftard rule #1.
>
>>>No?
>>
>>Stop spending...
>
>What are you going to cut, rightard? Do you have ANY clue?
Cut everything by a fixed percentage.
>
>>>Then YOU are part of the problem.
>>
>>Libs
>
>Partisan bigot.
Irony anyone?
NoBody
<crickets.wav>
Ray Fischer
>On 08 Jul 2010 17:21:55 GMT, rfis...@sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote:
>
>>NoBody <nob...@nowhere.com> wrote:
>>> rfis...@sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote:
>>>>NoBody <nob...@nowhere.com> wrote:
>>>>> "5548 Dead, 681 since 1/20/09"
>>>>
>>>>>>That's because I understand the basic economic principle that you run
>>>>>>surpluses when times are good so you can run the deficits that are needed
>>>>>>to cope with when times are bad.
>>>>>
>>>>>Since we never saved when times were "good",
>>>>
>>>>And we all know why.
>>>
>>>Tell me any time in recent history when the government "saved".
>>
>>Clinton's last year in office.
>
>Show us where this "saved" money was placed.
Why?
>>>>> then Obama spending us
>>>>>into oblivion now is an even bigger disaster.
>>>>
>>>>They're still Bush's expenses, rightard.
>>>
>>>Obama's been in charge for over a year and a half.
>>
>>So you insist that Obama should have "cut and run" from two wars,
>>immediately revoked Bush's tax cuts, retroactively revoked TARP, and
>>magically made the recession disappear.
>
>Oh but Obama
... is doing what you want him to be doing?
>>This country still is not a dictatorship, rightard.
>
>Well on its way.
Thanks to you rightard fascists.
--
Ray Fischer
rfis...@sonic.net
Ray Fischer
> rfis...@sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote:
>>NoBody <nob...@nowhere.com> wrote:
>>> It is *his* budget
>>>and *his* spending.
>>
>>Rightard rule #1: lie, lie again, lie more, lie about lying.
>
>Leftard rule #1: accuse someone who is speaking the truth that he's
You lied. It is NOT Obama's budget because Obama is not a dictator
who can just overrule Congress and just discard Bush's commitments.
>>>>Do you want to cut and run from two wars, rightard?
>>>
>>>Thought Obama promised to remove the troops from Iraq.
>>
>>Is that a "yes"?
>
>I'm speaking of
You're running away, coward.
>>>>Do you want to raise taxes, rightard?
>>>
>>>Already done
>>
>>Liar.
>
>See leftard rule #1.
You lied.
> I guess the healthcare bill with all its new
>taxes and fees doesn't exist after all.
That's right, dumbass rightard. It has not yet taken effect and won't
for a couple of years.
>>>>Do you have a solution for the GOP recession, rightard?
>>>
>>>The Dems have controlled all legislation for over three years now.
>>
>>Liar.
>
>See
You lied, asshole. The proof is the fact the the GOP just killed the
extension to unemployment benefits.
>>>>No?
>>>
>>>Stop spending...
>>
>>What are you going to cut, rightard? Do you have ANY clue?
>
>Cut everything by a fixed percentage.
LOL! What an idiot! Sure, cut 1/4 of the US military (we don't NEED
a navy). Cut SS benefots by 25%. Default on debts and destroy the
US economy.
You rightards are nothing if not _stupid_ assholes.
--
Ray Fischer
rfis...@sonic.net
Ray Fischer
>NoBody <nob...@nowhere.com> wrote:
>>On 08 Jul 2010 17:21:55 GMT, rfis...@sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote:
>>
>>>NoBody <nob...@nowhere.com> wrote:
>>>> rfis...@sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote:
>>>>>NoBody <nob...@nowhere.com> wrote:
>>>>>> "5548 Dead, 681 since 1/20/09"
>>>>>
>>>>>>>That's because I understand the basic economic principle that you run
>>>>>>>surpluses when times are good so you can run the deficits that are needed
>>>>>>>to cope with when times are bad.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Since we never saved when times were "good",
>>>>>
>>>>>And we all know why.
>>>>
>>>>Tell me any time in recent history when the government "saved".
>>>
>>>Clinton's last year in office.
>>
>>Show us where this "saved" money was placed.
>
>Why?
Crickets chirping.
--
Ray Fischer
rfis...@sonic.net
NoBody
>NoBody <nob...@nowhere.com> wrote:
>>On 08 Jul 2010 17:21:55 GMT, rfis...@sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote:
>>
>>>NoBody <nob...@nowhere.com> wrote:
>>>> rfis...@sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote:
>>>>>NoBody <nob...@nowhere.com> wrote:
>>>>>> "5548 Dead, 681 since 1/20/09"
>>>>>
>>>>>>>That's because I understand the basic economic principle that you run
>>>>>>>surpluses when times are good so you can run the deficits that are needed
>>>>>>>to cope with when times are bad.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Since we never saved when times were "good",
>>>>>
>>>>>And we all know why.
>>>>
>>>>Tell me any time in recent history when the government "saved".
>>>
>>>Clinton's last year in office.
>>
>>Show us where this "saved" money was placed.
>
>Why?
If your position is that the government "saved" money for when times
weren't good, then you should be able to show where it was placed so
it could be used later.
>
>>>>>> then Obama spending us
>>>>>>into oblivion now is an even bigger disaster.
>>>>>
>>>>>They're still Bush's expenses, rightard.
>>>>
>>>>Obama's been in charge for over a year and a half.
>>>
>>>So you insist that Obama should have "cut and run" from two wars,
>>>immediately revoked Bush's tax cuts, retroactively revoked TARP, and
>>>magically made the recession disappear.
>>
>>Oh but Obama
>
>... is doing what you want him to be doing?
Weren't you leftards all over Bush for having two wars but now give
Obama a free pass for continuing the policies. Hypocrisy much?
>
>>>This country still is not a dictatorship, rightard.
>>
>>Well on its way.
>
>Thanks to you rightard fascists.
The leftards have been in charge for over three years, genius.
NoBody
If you can find a post from me made after your response but before
this post, the "crickets" could be apt. If I've not posted here, it's
because I'm not here.
NoBody
>NoBody <nob...@nowhere.com> wrote:
>> rfis...@sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote:
>>>NoBody <nob...@nowhere.com> wrote:
>
>>>> It is *his* budget
>>>>and *his* spending.
>>>
>>>Rightard rule #1: lie, lie again, lie more, lie about lying.
>>
>>Leftard rule #1: accuse someone who is speaking the truth that he's
>
>You lied. It is NOT Obama's budget because Obama is not a dictator
>who can just overrule Congress and just discard Bush's commitments.
Are you dizzy from spinning yet? Did Obama veto the budget? If not,
it is *his* budget. Sheesh...
>
>>>>>Do you want to cut and run from two wars, rightard?
>>>>
>>>>Thought Obama promised to remove the troops from Iraq.
>>>
>>>Is that a "yes"?
>>
>>I'm speaking of
>
>You're running away, coward.
Not at all. That's your specialty.
>
>>>>>Do you want to raise taxes, rightard?
>>>>
>>>>Already done
>>>
>>>Liar.
>>
>>See leftard rule #1.
>
>You lied.
>
Nope.
>> I guess the healthcare bill with all its new
>>taxes and fees doesn't exist after all.
>
>That's right, dumbass rightard. It has not yet taken effect and won't
>for a couple of years.
I didn't say when they would take effect, but rather that taxes and
fees have been raised. Your inability to own your own dishonesty is
so noted.
>
>>>>>Do you have a solution for the GOP recession, rightard?
>>>>
>>>>The Dems have controlled all legislation for over three years now.
>>>
>>>Liar.
>>
>>See
>
>You lied, asshole. The proof is the fact the the GOP just killed the
>extension to unemployment benefits.
What was the vote and how many Dems are there?
>
>>>>>No?
>>>>
>>>>Stop spending...
>>>
>>>What are you going to cut, rightard? Do you have ANY clue?
>>
>>Cut everything by a fixed percentage.
>
>LOL! What an idiot! Sure, cut 1/4 of the US military (we don't NEED
>a navy). Cut SS benefots by 25%. Default on debts and destroy the
>US economy.
>
>You rightards are nothing if not _stupid_ assholes.
Says the guy who just pulled numbers from his butt and attributes them
to me...
Ray Fischer
The hypocritial asshole now whines when his own shit gets thrown back
at him. Typical rightard whiner.
--
Ray Fischer
rfis...@sonic.net
Ray Fischer
>On 10 Jul 2010 07:40:34 GMT, rfis...@sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote:
>
>>NoBody <nob...@nowhere.com> wrote:
>>>On 08 Jul 2010 17:21:55 GMT, rfis...@sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote:
>>>
>>>>NoBody <nob...@nowhere.com> wrote:
>>>>> rfis...@sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote:
>>>>>>NoBody <nob...@nowhere.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> "5548 Dead, 681 since 1/20/09"
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>That's because I understand the basic economic principle that you run
>>>>>>>>surpluses when times are good so you can run the deficits that are needed
>>>>>>>>to cope with when times are bad.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Since we never saved when times were "good",
>>>>>>
>>>>>>And we all know why.
>>>>>
>>>>>Tell me any time in recent history when the government "saved".
>>>>
>>>>Clinton's last year in office.
>>>
>>>Show us where this "saved" money was placed.
>>
>>Why?
>
>If your position is that the government "saved" money for when times
>weren't good, then you should be able to show where it was placed so
>it could be used later.
It reduced the national debt, rightard.
>>>>>>> then Obama spending us
>>>>>>>into oblivion now is an even bigger disaster.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>They're still Bush's expenses, rightard.
>>>>>
>>>>>Obama's been in charge for over a year and a half.
>>>>
>>>>So you insist that Obama should have "cut and run" from two wars,
>>>>immediately revoked Bush's tax cuts, retroactively revoked TARP, and
>>>>magically made the recession disappear.
>>>
>>>Oh but Obama
>>
>>... is doing what you want him to be doing?
>
>Weren't you leftards all over Bush for having two wars but now give
The rightard changes the subject as quickly as he can.
>>>>This country still is not a dictatorship, rightard.
>>>
>>>Well on its way.
>>
>>Thanks to you rightard fascists.
>
>The leftards have been in charge for over three years,
You're lying again, asshole.
--
Ray Fischer
rfis...@sonic.net
Ray Fischer
> rfis...@sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote:
>>NoBody <nob...@nowhere.com> wrote:
>>> rfis...@sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote:
>>>>NoBody <nob...@nowhere.com> wrote:
>>
>>>>> It is *his* budget
>>>>>and *his* spending.
>>>>
>>>>Rightard rule #1: lie, lie again, lie more, lie about lying.
>>>
>>>Leftard rule #1: accuse someone who is speaking the truth that he's
>>
>>You lied. It is NOT Obama's budget because Obama is not a dictator
>>who can just overrule Congress and just discard Bush's commitments.
>
>Are you dizzy from spinning yet? Did Obama veto the budget?
So you're cut-and-run rightard who thinks that Bush was wrong for
invading Iraq amd Afghanistan and for cutting taxes for the rich.
Your worst criticism of Obama is that he's too much like the GOP.
--
Ray Fischer
rfis...@sonic.net
Phlip
> >Libs who think they can make money by paying one credit card with
> >another are the real problem.
>
> <crickets.wav>
Uh, Reagan & Bush gutted the usury laws there. Look it up...
Walter Harding
> On Jul 2, 2:15 pm, Billary <billaryclinton2...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On Jul 2, 10:57 am, "5548 Dead, 681 since 1/20/09"
>
> > <dea...@deadduz.com> wrote:
>
> > Darn those evil republicans. If they hadn't held up healthcare we
> > would have passed it. Oh wait we did.
>
> > Something else might be the matter here. But Zippy won't tell you
> > about it.
>
> Gee, coward, why did you repugs run up the biggest deficit in history?
Obama will have run a greater deficit in his first two years in office
than Bush did in eight years.
Since taking over both Houses, the Democrats have increased the
deficit a ten fold.
Walter Harding
<ze...@finestplanet.com> wrote:
> On Fri, 2 Jul 2010 12:05:26 -0700 (PDT), Kevin Cunningham
>
> <sms...@mindspring.com> wrote:
> >On Jul 2, 2:15 pm, Billary <billaryclinton2...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> On Jul 2, 10:57 am, "5548 Dead, 681 since 1/20/09"
>
> >> <dea...@deadduz.com> wrote:
>
> >> Darn those evil republicans. If they hadn't held up healthcare we
> >> would have passed it. Oh wait we did.
>
That, of course, is a lie.
It's an outragious lie.
It's a stupid, easily disproved, lie.
"The House voted 219 to 212 to approve the measure, with every
Republican voting no. The measure now awaits President Obama's
signature. "
Washington Post, March 22, 2010
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/03/21/AR2010032100943.html
So, after the fact, you're trying to hang Obama's disasterous
"healthcare" bill on the Republicans.
> Couldn't happen that way now, of course.
Didn't happen that way then.
> Shut down the country and whine loudly because nothing is being done
> to fix the problems the Republicans created.
Excuse me, Obama's gotten everything he wants. No shutting down
necessary. This is the economy the Democrats and Obama wanted. Why
aren't you guys running on your record?
> >> Something else might be the matter here. But Zippy won't tell you
> >> about it.
>
> Yeah, you're a pack of goosesteppers who put party ahead of country.
Let's take a look at the above sentence, shall you?
A "goosestepper" is someone who does what he's told without question.
That's exactly what the Republicans aren't doing. You're pissed off
that the Republicans aren't obeying.
> >Gee, coward, why did you repugs run up the biggest deficit in history?
>
> >Got a clue?
>
> He won't answer that. He'll run away to whine some more.
Obama deficit is about the same in his first two years in office than
Bush's was during his entire administration.
Walter Harding
> On Fri, 02 Jul 2010 09:57:25 -0500, "5548 Dead, 681 since 1/20/09"
>
> <dea...@deadduz.com> wrote:
> >http://economix.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/07/02/the-recovery-is-losing-s...
>
> >The Recovery Is Losing Steam
> >By DAVID LEONHARDT
>
> Of course Zippo can't explain how Republicans are "sabotaging" the
> recovery...
Something to do with not blindly doing as they're ordered. Suddenly,
"question authority" becomes "do as you're fucking told".
Walter Harding
wrote:
> On Fri, 02 Jul 2010 18:12:09 -0700, BillyBobMarley wrote:
> >> On Fri, 02 Jul 2010 09:57:25 -0500, "5548 Dead, 681 since 1/20/09"
>
> >> <dea...@deadduz.com> wrote:
> >> >http://economix.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/07/02/the-recovery-is-losing-
> s...
>
> >> >The Recovery Is Losing Steam
> >> >By DAVID LEONHARDT
>
> >> Of course Zippo can't explain how Republicans are "sabotaging" the
> >> recovery...
>
>
> Count the filibusters, bubbles. Count the filibusters.
"They were all disloyal. I tried to run the ship properly by the book,
but they fought me at every turn. If the crew wanted to walk around
with their shirttails hanging out, that's all right, let them! Take
the towline - defective equipment, no more, no less. But they
encouraged the crew to go around, scoffing at me and spreading wild
rumors about steaming in circles and then 'Old Yellowstain.' I was to
blame for Lieutenant Maryk's incompetence and poor seamanship.
Lieutenant Maryk was the perfect officer, but not Captain Queeg. Ah,
but the strawberries! That's, that's where I had them. They laughed at
me and made jokes, but I proved beyond the shadow of a doubt, and
with, with geometric logic, that, that a duplicate key to the wardroom
icebox did exist. And I would have produced that key if they hadn't
pulled the Caine out of action. I, I know now they were only trying to
protect some fellow officer. (He pauses - looks at all the questioning
faces that stare back at him, and realizes that he has been ranting
and raving.) Naturally, I can only cover these things from memory...:
Captain
Queeg.
The Cane
Mutiny
Walter Harding
> On Fri, 02 Jul 2010 20:54:02 -0500, "5548 Dead, 681 since 1/20/09"
>
>
>
> <dea...@deadduz.com> wrote:
> >On Fri, 02 Jul 2010 18:12:09 -0700, BillyBobMarley wrote:
>
> >> On Jul 2, 9:02 pm, NoBody <nob...@nowhere.com> wrote:
> >>> On Fri, 02 Jul 2010 09:57:25 -0500, "5548 Dead, 681 since 1/20/09"
>
> >>> <dea...@deadduz.com> wrote:
> >>> >http://economix.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/07/02/the-recovery-is-losing-
> >s...
>
> >>> >The Recovery Is Losing Steam
> >>> >By DAVID LEONHARDT
>
> >>> Of course Zippo can't explain how Republicans are "sabotaging" the
> >>> recovery...
>
> >> Story of his life.Shall we proceed?
>
> >Count the filibusters, bubbles. Count the filibusters.
>
In mine too - but I suspect we took very different routes to get to
that location.
Walter Harding
<dea...@deadduz.com> wrote:
> On Sat, 03 Jul 2010 14:24:39 -0400, NoBody wrote:
> > On Fri, 02 Jul 2010 20:54:02 -0500, "5548 Dead, 681 since 1/20/09"
> > <dea...@deadduz.com> wrote:
>
> >>On Fri, 02 Jul 2010 18:12:09 -0700, BillyBobMarley wrote:
>
> >>> On Jul 2, 9:02 pm, NoBody <nob...@nowhere.com> wrote:
> >>>> On Fri, 02 Jul 2010 09:57:25 -0500, "5548 Dead, 681 since 1/20/09"
>
> >>>> <dea...@deadduz.com> wrote:
> >>>> >http://economix.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/07/02/the-recovery-is-losing-
> >>s...
>
> >>>> >The Recovery Is Losing Steam
> >>>> >By DAVID LEONHARDT
>
> >>>> Of course Zippo can't explain how Republicans are "sabotaging" the
> >>>> recovery...
>
> >>> Story of his life.Shall we proceed?
>
> >>Count the filibusters, bubbles. Count the filibusters.
>
> > In Zippo-land stopping a spending orgy is "sabotaging the economy".
>
Conservatives did - that's why we sat on our hands in 2006 and 2008.
As Bill Clinton said at the time, "we weren't give a mandate, but an
opportunity."
An opportunity that you've blow.
> Being an obsessive moron like you are, this won't do any good, but
> governments should tax during good times and save against the inevitable
> bad times, so they can spend freely then.
No, the federal government should protect the borders, keep the states
from bumping into each other, and mostly leave the American people
alone.
But, we've had almost four years to try it your way. When are you
going to produce something except excuses?
Phlip
> Obama deficit is about the same in his first two years in office than
> Bush's was during his entire administration.
That's because Bush hid the war cost off budget. So the only
RESPONSIBLE thing for Obama to do was put it on-budget.
You know, that RESPONSIBILITY thing? that comes so hard to neo-cons?
Russell Ronco
> On Jul 11, 2:33 pm,WalterHarding<gopartyani...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Obama deficit is about the same in his first two years in office than
> > Bush's was during his entire administration.
>
> That's because Bush hid the war cost off budget. So the only
> RESPONSIBLE thing for Obama to do was put it on-budget.
Obama spent more in his first month in office on the Stimulus Bill
that has been spent on the entire Iraq War.
Ray Fischer
> "5548 Dead, 681 since 1/20/09"
>> Shut down the country and whine loudly because nothing is being done
>> to fix the problems the Republicans created.
>
>Excuse me, Obama's gotten everything he wants. No shutting down
>necessary. This is the economy the Democrats and Obama wanted.
You rightard assholes just cannot stop with the lies. This is Bush's
and the GOP's economy, asshole.
> Why
>aren't you guys running on your record?
This recession that started when Bush was in office, asshole?
>> Yeah, you're a pack of goosesteppers who put party ahead of country.
>
>Let's take a look at the above sentence, shall you?
>
>A "goosestepper" is someone who does what he's told without question.
That's you alright.
>That's exactly what the Republicans aren't doing.
You get your commands from the rich. That's why everything the GOP
does is for the rich and screws the working American.
--
Ray Fischer
rfis...@sonic.net
Ray Fischer
>On Jul 2, 12:05 pm, Kevin Cunningham <sms...@mindspring.com> wrote:
>> On Jul 2, 2:15 pm, Billary <billaryclinton2...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> > On Jul 2, 10:57 am, "5548 Dead, 681 since 1/20/09"
>>
>> > <dea...@deadduz.com> wrote:
>>
>> > Darn those evil republicans. If they hadn't held up healthcare we
>> > would have passed it. Oh wait we did.
>>
>> > Something else might be the matter here. But Zippy won't tell you
>> > about it.
>>
>> Gee, coward, why did you repugs run up the biggest deficit in history?
>
>Obama will have run a greater deficit in his first two years in office
>than Bush did in eight years.
You're just a nasty, lying asshole. Bush CAUSED the current deficit.
--
Ray Fischer
rfis...@sonic.net
Ray Fischer
>On Jul 2, 6:54 pm, "5548 Dead, 681 since 1/20/09" <dea...@deadduz.com>
>wrote:
>> On Fri, 02 Jul 2010 18:12:09 -0700, BillyBobMarley wrote:
>> > On Jul 2, 9:02 pm, NoBody <nob...@nowhere.com> wrote:
>> >> On Fri, 02 Jul 2010 09:57:25 -0500, "5548 Dead, 681 since 1/20/09"
>>
>> >> <dea...@deadduz.com> wrote:
>> >> >http://economix.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/07/02/the-recovery-is-losing-
>> s...
>>
>> >> >The Recovery Is Losing Steam
>> >> >By DAVID LEONHARDT
>>
>> >> Of course Zippo can't explain how Republicans are "sabotaging" the
>> >> recovery...
>>
>> > Story of his life.Shall we proceed?
>>
>> Count the filibusters, bubbles. Count the filibusters.
>
>"They were all disloyal. I tried to run the ship properly by the book,
>but they fought me at every turn. If the crew wanted to walk around
>with their shirttails hanging out, that's all right, let them! Take
"Norman coordinate"
--
Ray Fischer
rfis...@sonic.net
5584 Dead, 717 since 1/20/09
Utter horseshit.
Ray Fischer
NoBody
>NoBody <nob...@nowhere.com> wrote:
>>On 10 Jul 2010 22:11:55 GMT, rfis...@sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote:
>>
>>>Ray Fischer <rfis...@sonic.net> wrote:
>>>>NoBody <nob...@nowhere.com> wrote:
>>>>>On 08 Jul 2010 17:21:55 GMT, rfis...@sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>NoBody <nob...@nowhere.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> rfis...@sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote:
>>>>>>>>NoBody <nob...@nowhere.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> "5548 Dead, 681 since 1/20/09"
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>That's because I understand the basic economic principle that you run
>>>>>>>>>>surpluses when times are good so you can run the deficits that are needed
>>>>>>>>>>to cope with when times are bad.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Since we never saved when times were "good",
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>And we all know why.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Tell me any time in recent history when the government "saved".
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Clinton's last year in office.
>>>>>
>>>>>Show us where this "saved" money was placed.
>>>>
>>>>Why?
>>>
>>>Crickets chirping.
>>
>>If you can find a post from me made after your response but before
>
>The hypocritial asshole now whines when his own shit gets thrown back
>at him. Typical rightard whiner.
Your inability to comprehend what I said is so noted. "Crickets.wav"
is a valid response when one responds to other posts in a time frame
while magically being unable to respond to another. It *does not*
apply when no responses to anyone can be found.
NoBody
>NoBody <nob...@nowhere.com> wrote:
>> rfis...@sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote:
>>>NoBody <nob...@nowhere.com> wrote:
>>>> rfis...@sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote:
>>>>>NoBody <nob...@nowhere.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>>> It is *his* budget
>>>>>>and *his* spending.
>>>>>
>>>>>Rightard rule #1: lie, lie again, lie more, lie about lying.
>>>>
>>>>Leftard rule #1: accuse someone who is speaking the truth that he's
>>>
>>>You lied. It is NOT Obama's budget because Obama is not a dictator
>>>who can just overrule Congress and just discard Bush's commitments.
>>
>>Are you dizzy from spinning yet? Did Obama veto the budget?
>
>So you're cut-and-run rightard who thinks that Bush was wrong for
>invading Iraq amd Afghanistan and for cutting taxes for the rich.
Oh look, Ray-ray's lying and ignoring the point (again...).
NoBody
>NoBody <nob...@nowhere.com> wrote:
>>On 10 Jul 2010 07:40:34 GMT, rfis...@sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote:
>>
>>>NoBody <nob...@nowhere.com> wrote:
>>>>On 08 Jul 2010 17:21:55 GMT, rfis...@sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>NoBody <nob...@nowhere.com> wrote:
>>>>>> rfis...@sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote:
>>>>>>>NoBody <nob...@nowhere.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> "5548 Dead, 681 since 1/20/09"
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>That's because I understand the basic economic principle that you run
>>>>>>>>>surpluses when times are good so you can run the deficits that are needed
>>>>>>>>>to cope with when times are bad.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Since we never saved when times were "good",
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>And we all know why.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Tell me any time in recent history when the government "saved".
>>>>>
>>>>>Clinton's last year in office.
>>>>
>>>>Show us where this "saved" money was placed.
>>>
>>>Why?
>>
>>If your position is that the government "saved" money for when times
>>weren't good, then you should be able to show where it was placed so
>>it could be used later.
>
>It reduced the national debt, rightard.
That's not "savings", leftard. That's paying down debt. I'll bet you
think when you pay $100 on your $10,000 credit card that means you
have $100 more you can spend because you have a $100 "saved up".
>
>>>>>>>> then Obama spending us
>>>>>>>>into oblivion now is an even bigger disaster.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>They're still Bush's expenses, rightard.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Obama's been in charge for over a year and a half.
>>>>>
>>>>>So you insist that Obama should have "cut and run" from two wars,
>>>>>immediately revoked Bush's tax cuts, retroactively revoked TARP, and
>>>>>magically made the recession disappear.
>>>>
>>>>Oh but Obama
>>>
>>>... is doing what you want him to be doing?
>>
>>Weren't you leftards all over Bush for having two wars but now give
>
>The rightard changes the subject as quickly as he can.
It's simply a hypocrisy check. Congrats, you're a hypocrite!
>
>>>>>This country still is not a dictatorship, rightard.
>>>>
>>>>Well on its way.
>>>
>>>Thanks to you rightard fascists.
>>
>>The leftards have been in charge for over three years,
>You're lying again, asshole.
The Dems have controlled all legislation for over three years and the
Presidency for 1.5 years. Your dishonesty knows no bounds.
NoBody
wrote:
Which has nothing to do with what I said...
Phlip
> > Of course Zippo can't explain how Republicans are "sabotaging" the
> > recovery...
>
> Something to do with not blindly doing as they're ordered. Suddenly,
> "question authority" becomes "do as you're fucking told".
Then why do all of them vote exactly the same?
Then why do they expunge party members for failing ideological purity
tests?
Then why, when Obama handed them a health care reform bill with only
line-items they asked for, they still voted against it?
5584 Dead, 717 since 1/20/09
> On Jul 11, 2:34 pm, Walter Harding <gopartyani...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> > Of course Zippo can't explain how Republicans are "sabotaging" the
>> > recovery...
>>
>> Something to do with not blindly doing as they're ordered. Suddenly,
>> "question authority" becomes "do as you're fucking told".
>
> Then why do all of them vote exactly the same?
>
> Then why do they expunge party members for failing ideological purity
> tests?
>
Fake Bill will run from that and repeat the same meme in a different
thread. It's his MO.
It IS hilarious watching a Republican complain about authoritarianism,
though. You know he never would unless he was ordered to.
r_c_...@hushmail.com
>
> >>NoBody <nob...@nowhere.com> wrote:
>
> >>>>NoBody <nob...@nowhere.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>NoBody <nob...@nowhere.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>> "5548 Dead, 681 since 1/20/09"
>
> >>>>>>>>That's because I understand the basic economic principle that you run
> >>>>>>>>surpluses when times are good so you can run the deficits that are needed
> >>>>>>>>to cope with when times are bad.
>
> >>>>>>>Since we never saved when times were "good",
>
> >>>>>>And we all know why.
>
> >>>>>Tell me any time in recent history when the government "saved".
>
> >>>>Clinton's last year in office.
>
> >>>Show us where this "saved" money was placed.
>
> >>Why?
>
> >If your position is that the government "saved" money for when times
> >weren't good, then you should be able to show where it was placed so
> >it could be used later.
>
> It reduced the national debt, rightard.
>
>
That depends on how you define the "national debt". Most people
consider it to be the Total Debt Outstanding, which consists of the
Debt Held by the Public and Intra-governmental Holdings.
If you look at the Total Debt Outstanding, it has gone up every year
on an annual basis for decades, including the years when Mr. Clinton
was President.
How are you defining "national debt"?
>
>
>
> >>>>>>> then Obama spending us
> >>>>>>>into oblivion now is an even bigger disaster.
>
> >>>>>>They're still Bush's expenses, rightard.
>
> >>>>>Obama's been in charge for over a year and a half.
>
> >>>>So you insist that Obama should have "cut and run" from two wars,
> >>>>immediately revoked Bush's tax cuts, retroactively revoked TARP, and
> >>>>magically made the recession disappear.
>
> >>>Oh but Obama
>
> >>... is doing what you want him to be doing?
>
> >Weren't you leftards all over Bush for having two wars but now give
>
> The rightard changes the subject as quickly as he can.
>
> >>>>This country still is not a dictatorship, rightard.
>
> >>>Well on its way.
>
> >>Thanks to you rightard fascists.
>
> >The leftards have been in charge for over three years,
>
> You're lying again, asshole.
>
> --
> Ray Fischer
Ray Fischer
Spare us the self-serving bullshit, rightard. You play childish
games, you lie, and you whine.
--
Ray Fischer
rfis...@sonic.net
Ray Fischer
> rfis...@sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote:
>>NoBody <nob...@nowhere.com> wrote:
>>>On 10 Jul 2010 07:40:34 GMT, rfis...@sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote:
>>>
>>>>NoBody <nob...@nowhere.com> wrote:
>>>>>On 08 Jul 2010 17:21:55 GMT, rfis...@sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>NoBody <nob...@nowhere.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> rfis...@sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote:
>>>>>>>>NoBody <nob...@nowhere.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> "5548 Dead, 681 since 1/20/09"
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>That's because I understand the basic economic principle that you run
>>>>>>>>>>surpluses when times are good so you can run the deficits that are needed
>>>>>>>>>>to cope with when times are bad.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Since we never saved when times were "good",
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>And we all know why.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Tell me any time in recent history when the government "saved".
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Clinton's last year in office.
>>>>>
>>>>>Show us where this "saved" money was placed.
>>>>
>>>>Why?
>>>
>>>If your position is that the government "saved" money for when times
>>>weren't good, then you should be able to show where it was placed so
>>>it could be used later.
>>
>>It reduced the national debt, rightard.
>
>That's not "savings",
The dumbass has to lie in order to rationalize his cult.
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Ray Fischer
rfis...@sonic.net
Ray Fischer
> rfis...@sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote:
>>NoBody <nob...@nowhere.com> wrote:
>>> rfis...@sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote:
>>>>You lied. It is NOT Obama's budget because Obama is not a dictator
>>>>who can just overrule Congress and just discard Bush's commitments.
>>>
>>>Are you dizzy from spinning yet? Did Obama veto the budget?
>>
>>So you're cut-and-run rightard who thinks that Bush was wrong for
>>invading Iraq and Afghanistan and for cutting taxes for the rich.
>
>Oh look, Ray-ray's lying and ignoring the point (again...).
The hypocritcal asshole just hates anything Obama does, even when he
does the same thing Bush did. After a w while that sort of irrational
hate just looks like racism.
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rfis...@sonic.net
Ray Fischer
NoBody
Oh look, Ray-ray is lying about what I said (again...).
NoBody
If I "lied" then show us where the supposed savings were placed.
NoBody
I-R-O-N-Y anyone????
5584 Dead, 717 since 1/20/09
It's also why they have "holds" on dozens of Obama appointments, and why
they've had more filibusters this term than over the past 200 years.
If they can't rule America, then nobody can govern it.
Ray Fischer
NoBody
Your inablility to show that the government has saved anything is so
noted.
r_c_...@hushmail.com
> On 13 Jul 2010 17:57:52 GMT, rfisc...@sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> >NoBody <nob...@nowhere.com> wrote:
>
> >>>NoBody <nob...@nowhere.com> wrote:
>
> >>>>>>>NoBody <nob...@nowhere.com> wrote:
>
> >>>>>>>>>NoBody <nob...@nowhere.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>NoBody <nob...@nowhere.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>> "5548 Dead, 681 since 1/20/09"
>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>That's because I understand the basic economic principle that you run
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>surpluses when times are good so you can run the deficits that are needed
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>to cope with when times are bad.
>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>Since we never saved when times were "good",
>
> >>>>>>>>>>>And we all know why.
>
> >>>>>>>>>>Tell me any time in recent history when the government "saved".
>
> >>>>>>>>>Clinton's last year in office.
>
> >>>>>>>>Show us where this "saved" money was placed.
>
> >>>>>>>Why?
>
> >>>>>>If your position is that the government "saved" money for when times
> >>>>>>weren't good, then you should be able to show where it was placed so
> >>>>>>it could be used later.
>
> >>>>>It reduced the national debt, rightard.
That depends on how you define the "national debt". Most people
consider it to be the Total Debt Outstanding, which consists of the
Debt Held by the Public and Intra-governmental Holdings.
If you look at the Total Debt Outstanding, it has gone up every year
on an annual basis for decades, including the years when Mr. Clinton
was President.
How are you defining "national debt"?
>
Ray Fischer
NoBody
Don't confuse ray-ray with actual facts. He'll just call you names
and blather.
NoBody
Yawn...irony anyone?
Ray Fischer
"You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you
think it means."
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Ray Fischer
rfis...@sonic.net
NoBody
If anyone has any doubt of the meaning of the word, one only needs to
read any post of yours.