Israel Zionist Conservatives Wag US Dog

[ColdWarDinosaur]

Actually that should be "A few extraordinarily wealthy, far-right and
powerful Jews use the power of the purse to force Obama to comply with
their demands". Lets be clear, AIPAC represents a minority of Jews,
J-Street represents the majority.

http://www.aipac.org/

http://jstreet.org/

Only 30% or less of Jews are attempting to block Palestinian statehood
even in Israel. A powerful, wealthy minority of extremists.


--
~~
HW

[John Simms]

http://www.jewishpolicycenter.org/blog/2009/08/following-j-streets-money-trail

J Street, the self-proclaimed "political arm of the pro-Israel, pro-peace
movement" that seeks to dethrone AIPAC, receives tens of thousands of
dollars from individuals connected to Iranian and Palestinian-issue
advocacy, the Jerusalem Post reports.

[ColdWarDinosaur]

Let me re-correct you.

John Simms wrote:
> http://www.jewishpolicycenter.org/blog/2009/08/following-j-streets-money-trail
>
> J Street, the self-proclaimed "political arm of the pro-Israel, pro-peace
> movement" that seeks to dethrone AIPAC, receives tens of thousands of
> dollars from individuals connected to Iranian and Palestinian-issue
> advocacy, the Jerusalem Post reports.

Thats because they are not the demented lunatics that claim to be the
only voice of Israel...

>
>
>
>> Actually that should be "A few extraordinarily wealthy, far-right and
>> powerful Jews use the power of the purse to force Obama to comply with
>> their demands". Lets be clear, AIPAC represents a minority of Jews,
>> J-Street represents the majority.
>>
>> http://www.aipac.org/
>>
>> http://jstreet.org/
>>
>> Only 30% or less of Jews are attempting to block Palestinian statehood
>> even in Israel. A powerful, wealthy minority of extremists.

--
~~
HW

[last_per...@yahoo.com]

Not a few Jews are not of the ZioNazi variety; you're right. J-
Street pretends
to be a less malignant ZioNazi organization, but it is all smoke &
mirrors. You
might want to dig deeper and examine them more closely.

[HHW]

I haven't followed J Street much, but this comment seems a bit odd.
Should't J Street be judged by its attitude toward settlement
negotiations? "J's" position is that negotiations should be based in
principle on the "Green Line" with equalized and reciprocal trades to
reach final boundaries.

I think that's right on track.

[HHW]

This is roughly correct although the 30% is probably an overstatement.
What's needed for the U.S. is to put it in context. The Jewish
community is @ 1.8% of the American population. Less than 30% of THAT
tiny minority takes the Likudish, rejectionist, hard-core, neo-
colonial, expansionist, Zionist position. That position has cost the
U.S. grievously in blood, treasure and financial collapse. It is this
miniscule group which oppress our Congress and distorts our electoral
system on behalf of the above-described Israeli right-wing. The rest
it would appear will welcome a fair-minded two-state solution re
Palestine. Accordingly J Street appears to represent most American
Jews on the central issue. The attitude among Israeli Jews is of far
less relevance. Far ahead of that in importance is American policy.
Once that changes so that it represents what's best for the American
people, the Israelis will fall in line and settle the matter. They
must wonder at our unprecedented gutlessness. Like Sharon they have
nothing but contempt for our weakness and are simply extracting from
us what they can prior to our liberation.

This minute splinter of an already tiny minority wields enough raw
political power to paralyze the American Congress and the Presidency
on a single-issue foreign policy matter. But it's not based just on
money though that's the core of it. It's also based on a brutal
political style which anyone in his right mind would reject for the
United States.

[Yitzhak Isaac Goldstein]

HHW <coaste...@yahoo.com> wrote:

> I haven't followed J Street much, but this comment seems a bit odd.
> Should't J Street be judged by its attitude toward settlement
> negotiations?

There is no such thing as a 'settlement' in Israel. Judea & Samaria is no
more a 'settlement' than Manchester is an 'English settlement'.

Y.
--
Yitzhak Isaac Goldstein
'Time is a great teacher, but unfortunately it kills all its pupils'
(Louis Hector Berlioz (1803 - 1869))
<http://elderofziyon.blogspot.com/>

[My two cents]

Presumably "equalized and reciprocal trades" means that some
Israeli Arabs would become Palestinians. Have they been consulted?
According to some surveys the majority would prefer to
remain Israeli.

[Ariadne]

On Sep 23, 7:56 pm, Yitzhak Isaac Goldstein <yitz...@yahoo.fr> wrote:

> HHW <coaster132...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > I haven't followed J Street much, but this comment seems a bit odd.
> > Should't J Street be judged by its attitude toward settlement
> > negotiations?
>
> There is no such thing as a 'settlement' in Israel.  Judea & Samaria is no
> more a 'settlement' than Manchester is an 'English settlement'.
>
> Y.
> --

HHW is an antisemitic pest infesting SCI and SCJ.
He doesn't know anything.

[dsharavi]

lol
Good point.

Deborah

[Ariadne]

On Sep 22, 2:38 pm, John Simms <Tr...@honest.com> wrote:
> http://www.jewishpolicycenter.org/blog/2009/08/following-j-streets-mo...

>
> J Street, the self-proclaimed "political arm of the pro-Israel, pro-peace
> movement" that seeks to dethrone AIPAC, receives tens of thousands of
> dollars from individuals connected to Iranian and Palestinian-issue
> advocacy, the Jerusalem Post reports.

Not news to anyone who actually deals in facts!

[dsharavi]

Nice to see you back, A. Where have you been? Are you on FB?

Deborah

[dsharavi]

On Sep 23, 11:47 am, HHW <coaster132...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Sep 22, 6:59 am, ColdWarDinosaur <wynnehen...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> > Actually that should be "A few extraordinarily wealthy, far-right and
> > powerful Jews use the power of the purse to force Obama to comply with
> > their demands". Lets be clear, AIPAC represents a minority of Jews,
> > J-Street represents the majority.
> >http://www.aipac.org/
> >http://jstreet.org/
> > Only 30% or less of Jews are attempting to block Palestinian statehood
> > even in Israel. A powerful, wealthy minority of extremists.

> This is roughly correct although the 30% is probably an overstatement.

Actually, it's an understatement. "A recent poll conducted by the
Hebrew University found that 70% of Israelis believe that if the UN
votes in favour of a Palestinian state, Israel should accept the
decision."
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/sep/23/israelis-largely-support-palestinian-state

> What's needed for the U.S. is to put it in context. The Jewish
> community is @ 1.8% of the American population. Less than 30% of THAT
> tiny minority takes the Likudish, rejectionist, hard-core, neo-
> colonial, expansionist, Zionist position.

Which flavour of Zionism would encompass that "Likudish, rejectionist,
hard-core, neo-
colonial, expansionist, Zionist position"? Would it be the American
Zionist Movement? Or would it be General Zionism? Chibbat Zion or
Chovevei Zion? Po’alei Zion? Labor Zionism? Political Zionism?
Pragmatic Zionism? Synthetic Zionism? Territorial Zionism? Spiritual
Zionism? Religious Zionism? Christian Zionism? Radical Messianic
Zionism? Revisionist Zionism? Socialist Zionism? Marxist Socialist
Zionism? Jewish National Marxist Zionism? Gordinian ZIonism? Women’s
International Zionist Organization? World Labour ZIonism? Eco-Friendly
Zionism? Zombie Zionism? Tree-Hugging Zionsm?

Enlighten us - which of the above forms of Zionism encompasses your
"Likudish, rejectionist, hard-core, neo-colonial, expansionist,
Zionist position"?

> This minute splinter of an already tiny minority wields enough raw
> political power to paralyze the American Congress and the Presidency
> on a single-issue foreign policy matter.

Well! if that doesn't that make you feel stupid, what would?.

Deborah

[dsharavi]

On Sep 23, 11:56 am, Yitzhak Isaac Goldstein <yitz...@yahoo.fr> wrote:

If Israel cities, towns, and villages are "settlements", then so are
all PalArab cities, towns, and villages.

Deborah

[dsharavi]

On Sep 23, 11:47 am, HHW <coaster132...@yahoo.com> wrote:

> > Only 30% or less of Jews are attempting to block Palestinian statehood
> > even in Israel. A powerful, wealthy minority of extremists.

> This is roughly correct although the 30% is probably an overstatement.

A recent poll conducted by the Hebrew University found that 70% of

Israelis believe that if the UN votes in favour of a Palestinian
state, Israel should accept the decision.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/sep/23/israelis-largely-support-palestinian-state

> What's needed for the U.S. is to put it in context. The Jewish

> community is @ 1.8% of the American population. Less than 30% of THAT
> tiny minority takes the Likudish, rejectionist, hard-core, neo-
> colonial, expansionist, Zionist position. That position has cost the
> U.S. grievously in blood, treasure and financial collapse.

>It is this
> miniscule group which oppress our Congress and distorts our electoral
> system on behalf of the above-described Israeli right-wing. The rest
> it would appear will welcome a fair-minded two-state solution re
> Palestine. Accordingly J Street

Which H has admitted he doesn't follow.

>They
> must wonder at our unprecedented gutlessness.

Why? The rest of the world don't wonder we're a paper tiger. For
decades, terrorists have known that Americans are the easiest to kill,
because our government will never retaliate.

> This minute splinter of an already tiny minority wields enough raw
> political power to paralyze the American Congress and the Presidency
> on a single-issue foreign policy matter.

Well, if that doesn't make you feel stupid, what will?

Deborah

[dsharavi]

On Sep 23, 10:56 am, HHW <coaster132...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> I haven't followed J Street much, but this comment seems a bit odd.
> Should't J Street be judged by its attitude toward settlement
> negotiations? "J's" position is that negotiations should be based in
> principle on the "Green Line" with equalized and reciprocal trades to
> reach final boundaries.
>
> I think that's right on track.

"J Street supports statehood for the Palestinians. An independent
Palestine is overdue and just—more so now than ever, as the winds of
change in the Arab world continue to accelerate. As supporters of
Israel, we at J Street view the creation of a Palestinian state as an
existential necessity for Israel. Israel can be the democratic
national homeland for the Jewish people for the long-term only if it
is living side-by-side with a state of Palestine in peace and
security.

"To reach that goal, J Street supports a two-state solution to the
Israeli-Palestinian conflict. We believe an effective and long-lasting
solution has to be agreed upon by both sides and must ultimately
resolve all outstanding issues. We support starting the process of
ending the conflict by reaching a deal on borders and security
arrangements first."
http://www.thenation.com/article/163480/j-street-supports-palestinian-statehood

"Jerusalem's ultimate status and borders should be negotiated and
resolved as part of an agreement between official Israeli and
Palestinian authorities and endorsed by both peoples."
"J Street would support...a two-state solution under which the Jewish
neighborhoods of Jerusalem would fall under Israeli sovereignty and
the Arab neighborhoods would be under Palestinian sovereignty."
"J Street does believe that Israel's capital is in Jerusalem and will
be internationally recognized as such in the context of an agreed two-
state solution."
http://jstreet.org/jerusalem/

"Israel's settlements in the occupied territories have, for over forty
years, been an obstacle to peace. They have drained Israel's economy,
military, and democracy and eroded the country's ability to uphold the
rule of law."
\http://jstreet.org/settlements/

Shgatzim, shgatzim <heavy sigh>

Deborah

[Ariadne]

Hello. D! Nowhere, just busy. I'm on Twitter but
not FB. How are you?

Shabbat shalom!

[dsharavi]

Flying on vicodin and other assorted goodies, and otherwise recovering
from surgery.

> Shabbat shalom!

Shabbat shalom to you and yours. And please do get on FB. It's fun!

Deborah

[last_per...@yahoo.com]

The J Street Scam
by Philip Giraldi, March 10, 2011

J Street is seductive. Americans have been bombarded with propaganda
about Israel ever since the foundation of the country over sixty years
ago. More recently, the United States has been designated by the
media and the chattering classes as the protector of the Jewish state
with little regard for those actions undertaken by Tel Aviv that
impact negatively on US interests. This is because the Israel Lobby
is the most powerful foreign lobby in the United States by far. The
American Israel Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC), which has become the
ugly side of the Lobby, has rightly drawn criticism for its bullying
tactics and its alignment with extreme right-wing parties in Israel.
Progressives and some conservatives in the United States who support
Israel as a homeland for the world’s Jews have been eager to find a
more respectable alternative lobby. That alternative is J Street.

J Street, which recently completed its third annual conference in
Washington, is a self-proclaimed kinder and gentler advocate of
Israeli interests. It favors peace on equitable terms with the
Palestinians and also with Israel’s Arab neighbors. It opposes
expansion of the Israeli settlements on the West Bank because they are
an obstacle to peace. It calls itself "pro-Israel, pro-American, and
pro-peace." If one judges by the enemies it has attracted, including
nearly all leading neoconservatives, J Street has to be considered a
breath of fresh air and the best option for sustainable peace in the
Middle East.

Sounds good, doesn’t it? But somehow the parts don’t quite add up. J
Street really only differs from AIPAC in tone, not in substance. It
advocates continued and unlimited United States support for Israel,
militarily, economically, and politically. J Street wants Israel to
have an overwhelming military advantage over its Arab neighbors and it
wants that margin to be provided by Washington. It wants Republicans
and Democrats together to provide political cover for Israel when it
attacks Lebanon or bombs the Gazans. It does not object when Israel
exercises a military option against its neighbors. In spite of the
fact that the United States is in deep trouble economically while
Israel is one of the richest countries in the world and is enjoying an
economic boom, J Street was one of the first organizations to complain
when Senator Rand Paul called for an end to all foreign aid.

J Street also believes that Israel is and should be a Jewish state
with unlimited right of "return" for Jews from anywhere in the world
and no such rights for Christians or Muslims who lived in the country
before 1948. A Jewish state, by definition, would have limited rights
for the 20% and growing segment of the current Israeli population that
is Christian or Muslim. J Street quixotically supports a two-state
solution to the Israel-Palestine conflict, even though it knows that
the half million Israeli Jews living in settlements in East Jerusalem
and the West Bank cannot be moved and will make two states
impossible. It does not accept a one-state solution, the only one
likely to work, that would make the followers of all religions equal
citizens in a unified state embracing both Arabs and Jews. J Street’s
Executive Director Jeremy Ben-Ami has called a one-state solution a
"nightmare."

J Street seems a lot better than AIPAC, but much of what it advocates
sounds familiar. Ben-Ami has criticized the highly acclaimed John
Mearsheimer-Stephen Walt book on the Israel Lobby for its scholarship
and refers to the authors as anti-Semites. J Street opposed Israel’s
bloody incursion into Gaza, but only because it was disproportionate,
and then rejected the UN’s Goldstone report that detailed the war
crimes that were committed. When Israeli commandoes killed nine
Turkish citizens on the Mavi Marmara ship trying to break the blockade
of Gaza, J Street mourned the loss of life but blamed the victims for
deliberately "using the media coverage to further damage Israel’s
standing in world opinion." J Street supports military action against
Iran as a "last resort" to incapacitate the country’s nuclear program
and denies to Tehran the right to enrich uranium for any purpose.

Supporters of J Street claim that its positions will become more
nuanced as its influence grows, but one of the panels at the just-
concluded convention debated "Is the Settlement Enterprise Destroying
Israel’s Democracy?" One might well ask why there was a question mark
at the end since it is well documented that the settlements bring with
them every imaginable evil. Fifteen months ago, J Street sponsored a
speaking tour by an Israeli general Danny Rothschild who was
advocating a two-state solution with the Palestinians. He made the
rounds in Washington arguing that demographics and common sense
dictate that Israel must come to some kind of settlement. But then,
he added, there is "Islamofascism" and also Iran, genuine threats that
must be dealt with by force. So what was the real message, peace with
the Palestinians (on Israel’s terms, it might be added), or expand the
war against extremism while bombing Iran?

But the real problem with J Street is that it exists at all. Why
should there be a new and powerful lobby in Washington composed of
American citizens arguing for a special relationship with any
country? Why should the United States be providing unlimited support
to a nation that claims to be a democracy but which limits rights
based on religion? If J Street truly wants to fix Israel it should be
working in Israel, not in the United States, because the settlers and
hardline right-wing parties are Israeli problems. J Street knows
perfectly well that Congress, the White House, and the media will not
challenge the Israel status quo so, at best, it is a bit of scam
designed to support Israel while making progressives feel more
comfortable in lining up behind the effort.

The United States already has too many special interest lobbies
promoting policies that do absolutely nothing good for the American
people. If Israel has become a rogue state, which it has, the problem
must be resolved by the Israelis themselves and the diaspora Jews who
believe that they have a stake in the outcome. If the latter really
want to have an impact, they should turn in their US passports and
move to Israel. From the American perspective, which should be the
only one that matters to US citizens, the best policy for the United
States is to disengage from the Arab-Israel conflict, not to become
even more deeply involved from another, slightly more palatable
perspective offered by J Street.

http://original.antiwar.com/giraldi/2011/03/09/the-j-street-scam/

[Sally Estes]

Hey, it is our favorite little net kook. Cuss like a sand nigger soldier for
us. You know you want to. It
is in your blood.

"dsharavi" <dsha...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:f2ff3d25-a7e4-4b58...@j19g2000yqc.googlegroups.com...

[Sally Estes]

You should stay on facebook or the gated newsgroup. This isn't your
newsgroup to piss all over anymore.

"dsharavi" <dsha...@hotmail.com> wrote in message

news:c3000ad8-c31e-43ce...@k6g2000yql.googlegroups.com...

[ColdWarDinosaur]

Sally Estes wrote:
> Hey, it is our favorite little net kook. Cuss like a sand nigger soldier
> for us. You know you want to. It
> is in your blood.

Ah the N word from a true racist. No wonder you are considered to be
like old Apartheid South Africa...

>
> "dsharavi" <dsha...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:f2ff3d25-a7e4-4b58...@j19g2000yqc.googlegroups.com...
>> On Sep 23, 1:37 pm, Ariadne <ariadne....@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> On Sep 23, 7:56 pm, Yitzhak Isaac Goldstein <yitz...@yahoo.fr> wrote:
>>>
>>> > HHW <coaster132...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>> > > I haven't followed J Street much, but this comment seems a bit odd.
>>> > > Should't J Street be judged by its attitude toward settlement
>>> > > negotiations?
>>>
>>> > There is no such thing as a 'settlement' in Israel. Judea &
>>> Samaria is > no
>>> > more a 'settlement' than Manchester is an 'English settlement'.
>>>
>>> > Y.
>>> > --
>>>
>>> HHW is an antisemitic pest infesting SCI and SCJ.
>>> He doesn't know anything.
>>
>> Nice to see you back, A. Where have you been? Are you on FB?
>>
>> Deborah
>

--
~~
HW

[ColdWarDinosaur]

Yitzhak Isaac Goldstein wrote:
> HHW <coaste...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> I haven't followed J Street much, but this comment seems a bit odd.
>> Should't J Street be judged by its attitude toward settlement
>> negotiations?
>
> There is no such thing as a 'settlement' in Israel. Judea & Samaria is no
> more a 'settlement' than Manchester is an 'English settlement'.

Haven't you been deported back to county Cork yet?

--
~~
HW

[ColdWarDinosaur]

The only group that has a problem with that are those that don't want
them in Israel. Like old South Africa, the minority that is in control
in Israel, the racists.

--
~~
HW

[Ray Fischer]

John Simms <Tr...@honest.com> wrote:
>http://www.jewishpolicycenter.org/blog/2009/08/following-j-streets-money-trail
>
>J Street, the self-proclaimed "political arm of the pro-Israel, pro-peace
>movement" that seeks to dethrone AIPAC, receives tens of thousands of
>dollars from individuals connected to Iranian and Palestinian-issue
>advocacy, the Jerusalem Post reports.

Oooo! The JERUSALEM Post.

Smirk.

--
Ray Fischer | Mendocracy (n.) government by lying
rfis...@sonic.net | The new GOP ideal

[ColdWarDinosaur]

Lets let the ICC, the Hague and the UN decide that since you are
incapable of doing so. Here's the big lie: You claim to want peace but
the illegal settlements go on and on and on.

--
~~
HW

[Yitzhak Isaac Goldstein]

You fuckin' whackjob.

'WHAT'S YOUR DNA!!!!????'

*rofl*

Y.
--
Yitzhak Isaac Goldstein

'The nation is not an entity, it's divided into economic classes,
and the architects of policy are those who have the economic power'
(Noam Chomsky (1928 - ))
<http://elderofziyon.blogspot.com/>

[Yitzhak Isaac Goldstein]

ColdWarDinosaur <wynnehenry!@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> dsharavi wrote:
>> On Sep 23, 11:56 am, Yitzhak Isaac Goldstein <yitz...@yahoo.fr> wrote:
>>> HHW <coaster132...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>> I haven't followed J Street much, but this comment seems a bit odd.
>>>> Should't J Street be judged by its attitude toward settlement
>>>> negotiations?
>>> There is no such thing as a 'settlement' in Israel. Judea & Samaria is no
>>> more a 'settlement' than Manchester is an 'English settlement'.
>>>
>>> Y.
>>> --
>>> Yitzhak Isaac Goldstein
>>> 'Time is a great teacher, but unfortunately it kills all its pupils'
>>> (Louis Hector Berlioz (1803 - 1869))
>>> <http://elderofziyon.blogspot.com/>
>>
>> If Israel cities, towns, and villages are "settlements", then so are
>> all PalArab cities, towns, and villages.

> Lets let the ICC,

which has no jurisdiction over Israel.

Yeah, let's have the village elders of the TI Awá tribe also 'decide on
it'. Their opinion matters as much as the ICC's.

> the Hague

See above.

> and the UN decide

All of the UN's 'Resolutions' condemning Israel are Chapter VI Resolutions.
They are thus advisory.

> that since you are
> incapable of doing so. Here's the big lie: You claim to want peace but
> the illegal settlements go on and on and on.

Which 'illegal settlements' would that be, then..?

Y.
--
Yitzhak Isaac Goldstein

'I can calculate the motions of the heavenly bodies, but not the
madness of people'
(Sir Isaac Newton (1643 - 1727))
<http://elderofziyon.blogspot.com/>

[The Revd]

UN General Assembly Resolution 181 which created 'Israel' was just
advisory, Shitsack.

>> that since you are
>> incapable of doing so. Here's the big lie: You claim to want peace but
>> the illegal settlements go on and on and on.
>
>Which 'illegal settlements' would that be, then..?

The ones in Palestine, Shitsack.

[Ray Fischer]

Yitzhak Isaac Goldstein <yit...@yahoo.fr> wrote:
>ColdWarDinosaur <wynnehenry!@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>> Yitzhak Isaac Goldstein wrote:
>>> HHW <coaste...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I haven't followed J Street much, but this comment seems a bit odd.
>>>> Should't J Street be judged by its attitude toward settlement
>>>> negotiations?
>>>
>>> There is no such thing as a 'settlement' in Israel. Judea & Samaria is no
>>> more a 'settlement' than Manchester is an 'English settlement'.
>>
>> Haven't you been deported back to county Cork yet?
>
>You fuckin' whackjob.

No, still you.

>'WHAT'S YOUR DNA!!!!????'

That's the Nazi mentality.

[last_per...@yahoo.com]

ZioNazis are always claiming things, 99% of which are lies. ZioNazis
lie
as most people breathe.

>
> --
> ~~
> HW

[last_per...@yahoo.com]

On Sep 24, 9:17 am, Yitzhak Isaac Goldstein <yitz...@yahoo.fr> wrote:

ZioNazi Nutzhak, true to form, 2500 years in the making,
and 2500 years of ass kickings have learned you little, Nutzhak.

[Yitzhak Isaac Goldstein]

Translation: there aren't any.

Y.
--
Yitzhak Isaac Goldstein

'If I have seen further, it is because I am fucking awesome'
(Anon)
<http://elderofziyon.blogspot.com/>

[ColdWarDinosaur]

Yitzhak Isaac Goldstein wrote:
> ColdWarDinosaur <wynnehenry!@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>> Yitzhak Isaac Goldstein wrote:
>>> HHW <coaste...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I haven't followed J Street much, but this comment seems a bit odd.
>>>> Should't J Street be judged by its attitude toward settlement
>>>> negotiations?
>>> There is no such thing as a 'settlement' in Israel. Judea & Samaria is no
>>> more a 'settlement' than Manchester is an 'English settlement'.
>> Haven't you been deported back to county Cork yet?
>
> You fuckin' whackjob.
>
> 'WHAT'S YOUR DNA!!!!????'

Same as last time, Y-DNA, I, MtDNA H. Yours??

(I know, you're too scared to say and will put up a big song and dance
and rofl because you're demented)


--
~~
HW

[ColdWarDinosaur]

last_per...@yahoo.com wrote:
> On Sep 24, 9:17 am, Yitzhak Isaac Goldstein <yitz...@yahoo.fr> wrote:
>> ColdWarDinosaur <wynnehen...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>>> dsharavi wrote:
>>>> On Sep 23, 11:56 am, Yitzhak Isaac Goldstein <yitz...@yahoo.fr> wrote:
>>>>> HHW <coaster132...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>>> I haven't followed J Street much, but this comment seems a bit odd.
>>>>>> Should't J Street be judged by its attitude toward settlement
>>>>>> negotiations?
>>>>> There is no such thing as a 'settlement' in Israel. Judea & Samaria is no
>>>>> more a 'settlement' than Manchester is an 'English settlement'.
>>>>> Y.
>>>>> --
>>>>> Yitzhak Isaac Goldstein
>>>>> 'Time is a great teacher, but unfortunately it kills all its pupils'
>>>>> (Louis Hector Berlioz (1803 - 1869))
>>>>> <http://elderofziyon.blogspot.com/>
>>>> If Israel cities, towns, and villages are "settlements", then so are
>>>> all PalArab cities, towns, and villages.
>>> Lets let the ICC,
>> which has no jurisdiction over Israel.
>>

>> Yeah, let's have the village elders of the TI Aw� tribe also 'decide on

>> it'. Their opinion matters as much as the ICC's.
>>
>>> the Hague
>> See above.
>>
>>> and the UN decide
>> All of the UN's 'Resolutions' condemning Israel are Chapter VI Resolutions.
>> They are thus advisory.
>>
>>> that since you are
>>> incapable of doing so. Here's the big lie: You claim to want peace but
>>> the illegal settlements go on and on and on.
>> Which 'illegal settlements' would that be, then..?
>
> ZioNazi Nutzhak, true to form, 2500 years in the making,
> and 2500 years of ass kickings have learned you little, Nutzhak.
>
>

Yeah but he's Irish and a total kook!

--
~~
HW

[last_per...@yahoo.com]

On Sep 25, 1:27 pm, ColdWarDinosaur <wynnehen...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

"flav" a.k.a. Susan Cohen's hubby perhaps?


>
> --
> ~~
> HW

[Joe Bruno]

On Sep 22, 10:01 am, last_permutat...@yahoo.com wrote:
> On Sep 22, 7:59 am, ColdWarDinosaur <wynnehen...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>
> > Actually that should be "A few extraordinarily wealthy, far-right and
> > powerful Jews use the power of the purse to force Obama to comply with
> > their demands". Lets be clear, AIPAC represents a minority of Jews,
> > J-Street represents the majority.
>
> >http://www.aipac.org/
>
> >http://jstreet.org/
>
> > Only 30% or less of Jews are attempting to block Palestinian statehood
> > even in Israel. A powerful, wealthy minority of extremists.
>
> Not a few Jews are not of the ZioNazi variety; you're right.   J-
> Street pretends
> to be a less malignant ZioNazi organization, but it is all smoke &
> mirrors.  You
> might want to dig deeper and examine them more closely.

You're a fucking lying cowardly bigot with the IQ of a carrot. You
don't know shit about anything.
Shut the fuck up.

[Joe Bruno]

You're a fucking lying cowardly bigot with the IQ of a carrot. You
don't know shit about anything.
Shut the fuck up.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

> > --
> > ~~
> > HW

[Joe Bruno]

[Joe Bruno]

> You're a fucking lying cowardly bigot with the IQ of a carrot. You
don't know shit about anything.
Shut the fuck up.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

> > --
> > ~~
> > HW

[ColdWarDinosaur]

No idea.

--
~~
HW

[ColdWarDinosaur]

Do you expect these utterances of yours to gain you any respect at
all? Just asking...


--
~~
HW

[ColdWarDinosaur]

is that you Susan?


--
~~
HW

[last_per...@yahoo.com]

Bluto as least has a flair for self-description--miserable little
ZioNazi turdlet.

[last_per...@yahoo.com]

Bluto stop getting respect from people at age 4.
Kids still pee on Bluto.

[last_per...@yahoo.com]

On Sep 26, 6:37 am, ColdWarDinosaur <wynnehen...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

Bluto only dresses like a girl.

[last_per...@yahoo.com]

The Bluto echo chamber ON.
Even ZioNazis don't want you, Bluto.
(l.p. having fun)

[Yitzhak Isaac Goldstein]

dsharavi <dsha...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> On Sep 23, 11:56 am, Yitzhak Isaac Goldstein <yitz...@yahoo.fr> wrote:
>> HHW <coaster132...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> > I haven't followed J Street much, but this comment seems a bit odd.
>> > Should't J Street be judged by its attitude toward settlement
>> > negotiations?
>>
>> There is no such thing as a 'settlement' in Israel.  Judea & Samaria is no
>> more a 'settlement' than Manchester is an 'English settlement'.
>>
>> Y.
>> --
>> Yitzhak Isaac Goldstein
>>         'Time is a great teacher, but unfortunately it kills all its pupils'
>>         (Louis Hector Berlioz (1803 - 1869))
>> <http://elderofziyon.blogspot.com/>  
>
> If Israel cities, towns, and villages are "settlements", then so are
> all PalArab cities, towns, and villages.

Yes indeed. The difference is that those Arab towns _are_ illegal under
international law.

Y.
--
Yitzhak Isaac Goldstein

'I've never been a millionaire, but I just know I'd be darling at it'
(Dorothy Parker (1893 - 1967))
<http://elderofziyon.blogspot.com/>

[The Revd]

On Mon, 26 Sep 2011 15:52:19 +0100, Shitsack Nutsaac Goldstein
<yit...@yahoo.fr> wrote:

>dsharavi <dsha...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> On Sep 23, 11:56 am, Yitzhak Isaac Goldstein <yitz...@yahoo.fr> wrote:
>>> HHW <coaster132...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>> > I haven't followed J Street much, but this comment seems a bit odd.
>>> > Should't J Street be judged by its attitude toward settlement
>>> > negotiations?
>>>
>>> There is no such thing as a 'settlement' in Israel.  Judea & Samaria is no
>>> more a 'settlement' than Manchester is an 'English settlement'.
>>>
>>> Y.
>>> --
>>> Yitzhak Isaac Goldstein
>>>         'Time is a great teacher, but unfortunately it kills all its pupils'
>>>         (Louis Hector Berlioz (1803 - 1869))
>>> <http://elderofziyon.blogspot.com/>  
>>
>> If Israel cities, towns, and villages are "settlements", then so are
>> all PalArab cities, towns, and villages.
>
>Yes indeed. The difference is that those Arab towns _are_ illegal under
>international law.

No, they're not, Shitsack. They're in PALESTINE.

[Michael Ejercito]

On Sep 24, 6:55 am, The Revd <peel...@degenerate.Grik> wrote:
> On Sat, 24 Sep 2011 14:17:35 +0100, Shitsack Nutsaac Goldstein
>
>
>

> <yitz...@yahoo.fr> wrote:
> >ColdWarDinosaur <wynnehen...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> >> dsharavi wrote:

> >>> If Israel cities, towns, and villages are "settlements", then so are
> >>> all PalArab cities, towns, and villages.
>
> >> Lets let the ICC,
>
> >which has no jurisdiction over Israel.
>
> >Yeah, let's have the village elders of the TI Awá tribe also 'decide on
> >it'.  Their opinion matters as much as the ICC's.
>
> >> the Hague
>
> >See above.
>
> >> and the UN decide
>
> >All of the UN's 'Resolutions' condemning Israel are Chapter VI Resolutions.
> >They are thus advisory.
>
> UN General Assembly Resolution 181 which created 'Israel' was just
> advisory, Shitsack.
>
> >> that since you are
> >> incapable of doing so. Here's the big lie: You claim to want peace but
> >> the illegal settlements go on and on and on.
>
> >Which 'illegal settlements' would that be, then..?
>
> The ones in Palestine, Shitsack.

Under what law?


Michael

[Ray Fischer]

What do you care about law? You're a murderous neonazi who wants to
exterminate all Palestinians.

The International Court of Justice and the international community
say these settlements are illegal,[3][4] and no foreign government
supports Israel's settlements.[5] Israel disputes the position of
the international community.[6] The United Nations has repeatedly
upheld the view that Israel's construction of settlements
constitutes violation of the Fourth Geneva Convention.[7]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_settlement

[The Revd]

WE aks the questions, gook.

[The Peeler]

On Tue, 27 Sep 2011 06:15:41 -0400, The Rectum, the resident psychopath of
sci and scj and Usenet's famous sexual cripple, FAKING his time zone again,
farted again:

>>> The ones in Palestine, Shitsack.
>> Under what law?
>
> WE aks the questions, gook.

You don't! YOU only get your bleeding psychopathic ass clobbered here time
and again, as everyone can see! <BG>

--
tomcov about "The Rectum":
"Assholes come
Assholes go
But the revd asshole goes on forever.
(and he speaks through it)"
MID: <83356bf8-8666-4f4f...@n35g2000yqf.googlegroups.com

[Yitzhak Isaac Goldstein]

Michael Ejercito <meje...@hotmail.com> wrote:

{ snip Nazi whining }

> Under what law?

That asshole is in my killfile. Predictably, he's wrong again. Resolution
181 was passed in accordance with Article XXXIX (Chapter VII) of the United
Nations Charter..

'The Security Council shall determine the existence of any threat to
the peace, breach of the peace, or act of aggression and shall make
recommendations, or decide what measures shall be taken in accordance
with Articles 41 and 42, to maintain or restore international peace and
security...'
<http://www.un.org/en/documents/charter/chapter7.shtml>

.. and ..

'Four days later, the plan of partition was approved with the provision
that it be imposed by force'
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UN_General_Assembly_Resolution_181>

Game, set and match to Israel. Our presence here is legal. The
'settlements' (sic) are legal. Fakestinian violence is not legal. They
lost their rights when they attacked Israel. Now they can FOAD back in
their country of origin, whether it be Egypt, Jordan, Syria or the Lebanon.

Y.
--
Yitzhak Isaac Goldstein

'I hate mankind, for I think myself one of the best of them, and I know
how bad I am'
(Joseph Baretti (1719 - 1789))
<http://elderofziyon.blogspot.com/>

[The Revd]

On Tue, 27 Sep 2011 12:26:13 +0100, Shitsack Nutsaac Goldstein
<yit...@yahoo.fr> wrote:

>Michael Ejercito <meje...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>{ snip Nazi whining }
>
>> Under what law?

<snip jew asshole whining>

Next stop for you is the Mediterranean, Shitsack.

[Michael Ejercito]

On Sep 27, 3:15 am, The Revd <peel...@degenerate.Grik> wrote:
> On Mon, 26 Sep 2011 17:11:47 -0700 (PDT), Michael Ejercito
>
>
>
> <mejer...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >On Sep 24, 6:55 am, The Revd <peel...@degenerate.Grik> wrote:
> >> On Sat, 24 Sep 2011 14:17:35 +0100, Shitsack Nutsaac Goldstein
>
> >> <yitz...@yahoo.fr> wrote:
> >> >All of the UN's 'Resolutions' condemning Israel are Chapter VI Resolutions.
> >> >They are thus advisory.
>
> >> UN General Assembly Resolution 181 which created 'Israel' was just
> >> advisory, Shitsack.

> >> >Which 'illegal settlements' would that be, then..?
>
> >> The ones in Palestine, Shitsack.
> >   Under what law?
>
> WE aks the questions, gook.

You are a Nazi.

As a Nazi, you are, above all else, a craven coward.

You are afraid to compete with others as equals because you know
you can not measure up.

You are afraid of your own inadequacy, so you want to murder your
betters.

You are afraid of the truth, so you want to murder those who would
tell it.

You are afraid of history, so you want to murder the past, to wipe
out the knowledge of the degeneracy, cowardice and failure of
National
Socialism.

Finally, you are afraid of the power of educated, informed adults.
Freedom of choice terrifies you... which is why you choose minor
children as sexual partners. You can not interact with competent
adults in a consensually sexual
way. You need to be able to impose yourself on a helpless victim, be
it a prepubescent
boy, or a patient in a mental hospital.

That is what you are, a Nazi, and there is nothing polite or
honest about it.

Michael

[Michael Ejercito]

On Sep 27, 12:12 am, rfisc...@sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote:

When did I claim that all Palestinians should be exterminated.

>
>     The International Court of Justice and the international community
>     say these settlements are illegal,[3][4] and no foreign government
>     supports Israel's settlements.[5] Israel disputes the position of
>     the international community.[6] The United Nations has repeatedly
>     upheld the view that Israel's construction of settlements
>     constitutes violation of the Fourth Geneva Convention.[7]
>    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_settlement
>
> --
> Ray Fischer         |  Mendocracy (n.) government by lying

> rfisc...@sonic.net  |    The new GOP ideal
The International Court of Justice has no jurisdiction over Israel.


Michael

[HHW]

On Sep 23, 1:56 pm, Yitzhak Isaac Goldstein <yitz...@yahoo.fr> wrote:
> HHW <coaster132...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > I haven't followed J Street much, but this comment seems a bit odd.
> > Should't J Street be judged by its attitude toward settlement
> > negotiations?
>
> There is no such thing as a 'settlement' in Israel.  Judea & Samaria is no
> more a 'settlement' than Manchester is an 'English settlement'.
>

> Y.
> --
> Yitzhak Isaac Goldstein

>         'Time is a great teacher, but unfortunately it kills all its pupils'
>         (Louis Hector Berlioz (1803 - 1869))
> <http://elderofziyon.blogspot.com/>  

You might try explaining your position. Naked assertions don't sell.

[HHW]

On Sep 23, 2:30 pm, My two cents <mytwoce...@live.co.uk> wrote:
> On Sep 23, 6:56 pm, HHW <coaster132...@yahoo.com> wrote:

>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Sep 22, 12:01 pm, last_permutat...@yahoo.com wrote:
>
> > > On Sep 22, 7:59 am, ColdWarDinosaur <wynnehen...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>
> > > > Actually that should be "A few extraordinarily wealthy, far-right and
> > > > powerful Jews use the power of the purse to force Obama to comply with
> > > > their demands". Lets be clear, AIPAC represents a minority of Jews,
> > > > J-Street represents the majority.
>
> > > >http://www.aipac.org/
>
> > > >http://jstreet.org/
>
> > > > Only 30% or less of Jews are attempting to block Palestinian statehood
> > > > even in Israel. A powerful, wealthy minority of extremists.
>
> > > Not a few Jews are not of the ZioNazi variety; you're right.   J-
> > > Street pretends
> > > to be a less malignant ZioNazi organization, but it is all smoke &
> > > mirrors.  You
> > > might want to dig deeper and examine them more closely.
>

> > I haven't followed J Street much, but this comment seems a bit odd.
> > Should't J Street be judged by its attitude toward settlement

> > negotiations? "J's" position is that negotiations should be based in
> > principle on the "Green Line" with equalized and reciprocal trades to
> > reach final boundaries.
>
> > I think that's right on track.
>
> Presumably "equalized and reciprocal trades" means that some
> Israeli Arabs would become Palestinians. Have they been consulted?
> According to some surveys the majority would prefer to
> remain Israeli.

All Israeli citizens have a right to remain in their country. To drive
them out is ethnic cleansing. That said, if they don't want to become
Palestinian citizens and their neighborhood is to become part of
Palestine, one supposes that they will have to move to move to another
part of Israel. They will choose. Having a choice is good.

[HHW]

On Sep 23, 3:37 pm, Ariadne <ariadne....@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Sep 23, 7:56 pm, Yitzhak Isaac Goldstein <yitz...@yahoo.fr> wrote:
>
> > HHW <coaster132...@yahoo.com> wrote:

> > > I haven't followed J Street much, but this comment seems a bit odd.
> > > Should't J Street be judged by its attitude toward settlement
> > > negotiations?
>

> > There is no such thing as a 'settlement' in Israel.  Judea & Samaria is no
> > more a 'settlement' than Manchester is an 'English settlement'.
>
> > Y.
> > --
>

> HHW is an antisemitic pest infesting SCI and SCJ.
> He doesn't know anything.

Behave yourself, Ariadne. All North Americans and Europeans too have
stakes in the outcome in Palestine. In fact the stakes can be said to
be global. Jews are not the only interested parties. That idea's
absurd. You Zionists have created this mess. It's what happens when
you stir-up regional instability and wars by colonial aggression and
then corrupt the last "superpower's" government so as to gain
unqualified support for what is essentially fascist behavior. For
these people to have opinions on matters of American Foreign Policy
doesn't make them "anti-Semites". You don't have a right much less the
ability to shut us up.

[HHW]

On Sep 23, 3:38 pm, Ariadne <ariadne....@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Sep 22, 2:38 pm, John Simms <Tr...@honest.com> wrote:
>
> >http://www.jewishpolicycenter.org/blog/2009/08/following-j-streets-mo...
>
> > J Street, the self-proclaimed "political arm of the pro-Israel, pro-peace
> > movement" that seeks to dethrone AIPAC, receives tens of thousands of
> > dollars from individuals connected to Iranian and Palestinian-issue
> > advocacy, the Jerusalem Post reports.
>
> Not news to anyone who actually deals in facts!

So what? Are people of Iranian and Palestinian origin to be denied
opinions and political activity? If so, why?

[HHW]

On Sep 23, 3:32 pm, dsharavi <dshara...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> On Sep 23, 11:47 am, HHW <coaster132...@yahoo.com> wrote:

>
> > On Sep 22, 6:59 am, ColdWarDinosaur <wynnehen...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> > > Actually that should be "A few extraordinarily wealthy, far-right and
> > > powerful Jews use the power of the purse to force Obama to comply with
> > > their demands". Lets be clear, AIPAC represents a minority of Jews,
> > > J-Street represents the majority.
> > >http://www.aipac.org/
> > >http://jstreet.org/
> > > Only 30% or less of Jews are attempting to block Palestinian statehood
> > > even in Israel. A powerful, wealthy minority of extremists.

> > This is roughly correct although the 30% is probably an overstatement.
>
> Actually, it's an understatement. "A recent poll conducted by the
> Hebrew University found that 70% of Israelis believe that if the UN
> votes in favour of a Palestinian state, Israel should accept the
> decision."http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/sep/23/israelis-largely-support-...
>
> > What's needed for the U.S. is to put it in context. The Jewish
> > community is @ 1.8% of the American population. Less than 30% of THAT
> > tiny minority takes the Likudish, rejectionist, hard-core, neo-
> > colonial, expansionist, Zionist position.
>
> Which flavour of Zionism would encompass that "Likudish, rejectionist,
> hard-core, neo-
> colonial, expansionist, Zionist position"? Would it be the American
> Zionist Movement? Or would it be General Zionism? Chibbat Zion or
> Chovevei Zion? Po’alei Zion? Labor Zionism? Political Zionism?
> Pragmatic Zionism? Synthetic Zionism? Territorial Zionism? Spiritual
> Zionism? Religious Zionism? Christian Zionism? Radical Messianic
> Zionism? Revisionist Zionism? Socialist Zionism? Marxist Socialist
> Zionism? Jewish National Marxist Zionism? Gordinian ZIonism? Women’s
> International Zionist Organization? World Labour ZIonism? Eco-Friendly
> Zionism? Zombie Zionism? Tree-Hugging Zionsm?
>
> Enlighten us - which of the above forms of Zionism encompasses your
> "Likudish, rejectionist, hard-core, neo-colonial, expansionist,
> Zionist position"?
>
> > This minute splinter of an already tiny minority wields enough raw
> > political power to paralyze the American Congress and the Presidency
> > on a single-issue foreign policy matter.
>
> Well! if that doesn't that make you feel stupid, what would?.

Get real, sharavi. It's the thesis of the primary study on the
subject, Mearsheimer and Walt's "The Israel Lobby and American Foreign
Policy". EVERYONE SHOULD READ IT.


>
> Deborah

[HHW]

On Sep 23, 3:44 pm, dsharavi <dshara...@hotmail.com> wrote:

> On Sep 23, 11:56 am, Yitzhak Isaac Goldstein <yitz...@yahoo.fr> wrote:
>
> > HHW <coaster132...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > I haven't followed J Street much, but this comment seems a bit odd.
> > > Should't J Street be judged by its attitude toward settlement
> > > negotiations?
>
> > There is no such thing as a 'settlement' in Israel.  Judea & Samaria is no
> > more a 'settlement' than Manchester is an 'English settlement'.
>
> > Y.
> > --

> > Yitzhak Isaac Goldstein
> >         'Time is a great teacher, but unfortunately it kills all its pupils'
> >         (Louis Hector Berlioz (1803 - 1869))
> > <http://elderofziyon.blogspot.com/>  
>

> If Israel cities, towns, and villages are "settlements", then so are
> all PalArab cities, towns, and villages.
>

> Deborah

They might be if they were new as are the Israelis'

[Ray Fischer]

HHW <coaste...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>On Sep 23, 1:56 pm, Yitzhak Isaac Goldstein <yitz...@yahoo.fr> wrote:
>> HHW <coaster132...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> > I haven't followed J Street much, but this comment seems a bit odd.
>> > Should't J Street be judged by its attitude toward settlement
>> > negotiations?
>>
>> There is no such thing as a 'settlement' in Israel.  Judea & Samaria is no
>> more a 'settlement' than Manchester is an 'English settlement'.
>

>You might try explaining your position.

Good luck with that.

> Naked assertions don't sell.

He has nothing else. A crazy fanatic with no interest in anything but
hatred for the enemy.

--
Ray Fischer | Mendocracy (n.) government by lying

[dsharavi]

>>HHW <coaster132...@yahoo.com>wrote:
>>>I haven't followed J Street much,

Oh ? Hmmm..let's see....wow ... there's a lot ...

From: HHW <coaster132...@yahoo.com>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.israel,soc.culture.jewish,soc.culture.usa
Subject: Re: A new thread dedicated to Richard Ratner of Somerville,
Mass.
about the crisis America faces due to the Israel Lobby Options
Date: Sat, 9 Aug 2008 14:37:22 -0700 (PDT)
“J STREET, a Jewish lobbying group that aims to push for a more
moderate
stance on Middle East issues.”

From: HHW <coaster132...@yahoo.com>
Subject: A new Jewish anti-AIPAC lobby
Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2008 01:09:52 -0700 (PDT
“J STREET, aims to break the monopoly of opinion on US Middle
Eastern policy built up by established groups such as the American
Israel Public Affairs Committee (Aipac)”
“J STREET is the first to be devoted to lobbying members of
Congress and also to donate to their political campaigns.”
“J STREET has commissioned a survey of American Jewish opinion,
which found that 50 per cent of respondents agreed with the statement
"Israel can only achieve real security through peace agreements"
“With Senator Barack Obama in the White House, J STREET can make
a contribution towards breaking the deadlock in the Middle East
that...has been obstructed by Aipac and others.”

From: HHW <coaster132000 @yahoo.com>
Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2009 13:04:06 -0800 (PST)
Subject: From Slate's Glenn Greenwald: Increasing even-handedness in
the Middle East
“J STREET...is well on its way to ending the monopoly that
right-wing groups have long wielded in the U.S...”
“J STREET has launched a project praising the Simon/60 Minutes
report, and has organized a letter-writing campaign to CBS in support
of that segment.”
“You can read about J STREET's position here, and participate
in their letter-writing campaign to CBS...”
“Obama's "choice of an envoy to the Middle East, George
Mitchell, is absolutely superb...” J STREET's Executive Director,
Jeremy Ben-Ami, "enthusiastically" praised the selection of
Mitchell..”

From: HHW <coaster132...@yahoo.com>
Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2009 23:05:04 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Why Can't Miss Ratner Read?
“Jonathan Chait is in a lather about J STREET”

From: HHW <coaster132...@yahoo.com>
Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2009 21:40:19 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Re: Who's Afraid of Robert Malley?
“Robert Malley, a former Middle East policy consultant for Sen.
Barack Obama (D-Ill.), serves on J STREET's advisory council.”

From: HHW <coaster132...@yahoo.com>
Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2009 22:49:40 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Join J STREET; sign up today!
http://www.jstreet.org/campaigns/a-new-pro-peace-pro-israel-political...

From: HHW <coaster132...@yahoo.com>
Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 21:09:19 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Re: What HHW, and other "humanitarians" so very concerned
about the plight of the poor arab rocket-launchers and suicide bombers
don't give a damn about. The reason is very clear.
“Embrace J STREET, with which Dan Levy is involved; they are
doing good work”

From: HHW <coaster132...@yahoo.com>
Date: Sat, 4 Apr 2009 14:01:58 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: J STREET Video on Avigdor Lieberman---an AMERICAN VOICE

From: "iconoclastexpat1686 @yahoo.com" <coaste...@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Israel Cries Wolf (again, and again, and again...
Date: Sat, 18 Apr 2009 20:44:17 -0700 (PDT)
“It has not been promoting, for example, the J STREET
agenda.”

----------------------------------------------------
Aside
- This H post is simply funny:

From: "iconoclastexpat1686...@yahoo.com" <coaster132...@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Israel Cries Wolf (again, and again, and again, and
“Journalism is a profession with a Code of Ethics. You can find
the
rules on the web.”
“I'm pro-Israel. The policies I represent just aren't
recognized as such in conventional wisdom. That's because the
discourse has been so stupidly distorted. It doesn't reflect reality.”

WHAT doesn't reflect reality? lol
---------------------------------------------------------
Back to H's “not following J STREET”

From: "iconoclast @yahoo.com" <coaster132000 @yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Ignorant posting by Cramer again (was: Har Homa's land)
Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2009 09:02:53 -0700 (PDT)
“The ultimate crisis of AIPAC is being acted-out as we speak.
See the J STREET post I put up a little earlier about what's going on
in Congress.”

From: "iconocl...@yahoo.com" <coaster132...@yahoo.com>
Subject: J Steet Congratulates Israel on its 61st Anniversary
Date: Mon, 4 May 2009 09:46:59 -0700 (PDT)
“J STREET Marks Israeli Independence Day”

From: "iconocl...@yahoo.com" <coaster132...@yahoo.com>
Date: Sun, 25 Oct 2009 13:41:16 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Re: Whatever Bibi Wants, Bibi Gets.
“So far as I can see, only J STREET, has written about it.”

From: "iconoclast @yahoo.com" <coaster132000 @yahoo.com>
Subject: J STREET on the Obama Cairo Speech is an antidote to Israeli,
racist, right-wing drunks
Date: Sun, 7 Jun 2009 10:12:52 -0700 (PDT)

From: "iconoclast @yahoo.com" <coaster132000 @yahoo.com
Subject: James Traub on the Israel lobby, old and new
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2009 15:19:43 -0700 (PDT)
“... J STREET, a year-old lobbying group with progressive
views on Israel...
“...mainstream groups vehemently protested the White House
decision to invite J STREET...
“ J STREET shares the Obama administration’s agenda.”
“...he is aware of J STREET’s neophyte status — but
afterward he was quoted extensively in the press, which vexed the
mainstream groups all over again. J STREET does not accept the “public
harmony” rule any more than Obama does.”
“There appears to be an appetite for J STREET’s approach.
Over the last year, J STREET’s budget has doubled...J STREET is still
as much an Internet presence, launching volleys of e-mail
messages ...J STREET knows exactly where it stands...J STREET is wide
open to the public.”
“Cuban-American opinion is no longer in thrall to the older
generation — precisely J STREET’s goal in regard to the Middle East.”
“J STREET PAC sent out a questionnaire to Congressional
candidates...seeking their views on U.S. engagement with the Middle
East.”
“Ben-Ami fired off a fund-raising appeal to the J STREET
netroots.”
“Edwards...attracted $30,000 via J STREET PAC’s appeal in
three or four days.”
“J STREET occupies fairly traditional liberal
territory...well to the left of the mainstream groups.”
“J STREET takes the cautious view that while we should not
speak directly with officials, we should engage through
intermediaries...”
“J STREET maintains that most American Jews share its views
on the Middle East.”
“J STREET sought to answer this question by commissioning an
extensive poll of Jewish opinion on Middle East issues.”
“J STREET specializes in mounting campaigns that may appeal
to the 92 percent who care about other causes more than they do about
Israel.”
“J STREET says that more than 25,000 people signed it in 24
hours...J STREET generated a similar response when it sent out a
bulletin warning of legislation that could result in a blockade of
Iran”
“The most controversial and significant of J STREET’s
campaigns was the one most directly tied to Israel’s security. When
Israeli fighter planes first hit Gaza on Dec. 27, J STREET issued a
press release...calling for “immediate, strong diplomatic
intervention”
“J STREET’s campaigns director, Isaac Luria, wrote that
“while there is nothing ‘right’ in raining rockets on Israeli families
or dispatching suicide bombers, there is nothing ‘right’ in punishing
a million and a half already-suffering Gazans”
“J STREET’s stand cemented its position on the left side of
the spectrum;”
“J STREET missed the overwhelming support from the American
Jewish community for the war in Gaza.”
“...J STREET’s prospects....”
“J STREET’s most difficult challenge may be to raise the
profile of what Ben-Ami calls the “pro-Israel, pro-peace” position on
Capitol Hill. In late January, J STREET helped circulate a resolution
by Representative Bill Delahunt of Massachusetts, praising the
administration for the
appointment of George Mitchell”
“J STREET responded several days later with a letter calling
for active American engagement ...in helping to create effective
governance in the Palestinian territories.”
“Even J STREET’s staunch friends on the Hill acknowledge the
potential costs of their position.”
“...the J STREET letter calling for deeper American engagement
in the peace process.”
“J STREET, in short, will not lack for acreage to till.”
“J Street’s new corps of lobbyists will soon be fanning out
into the wilds of Congress”

From: "iconocl...@yahoo.com" <coaster132...@yahoo.com>
Subject: Shlomo Sand predicts the Jewish past and pastes the Zionists
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 2009 09:01:06 -0800 (PST)
“...the neoconservative Weekly Standard’s disgusting pursuit
of J STREET.”

From: "iconocl...@yahoo.com" <coaster132...@yahoo.com>
Date: Sat, 14 Nov 2009 19:22:33 -0800 (PST)
Subject: From perhaps the most intelligently written and managed blog
on the perpetual crisis in Palestine

“The first three are from the recent J STREET conference...”
“Video 5 from J STREET ...”
“Also at J STREET, ...”
“Jonathan Chait of the New Republic warned J STREET..”


From: "iconoclast @yahoo.com" <coaster132000 @yahoo.com>
Subject: Invite Skunks to the Garden Party?
Date: Fri, 4 Dec 2009 21:00:19 -0800 (PST)
“AIPAC faces a huge threat from J STREET. It would with one blow
deflect J STREET, if not coopt J STREET's very important message.
“...a progressive Jewish organization, J STREET, was established
several months ago...”

From: Cazador <coaster132...@yahoo.com>
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 17:52:52 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Re: PRESSIDENT??? Re: Pressident Carter Answers Dershowitz's
Libel before the Foreign Affairs Committee of the Knessett on June 15,
2009
“Maybe J STREET will start opening store-front Zionist
Detoxification Centers for such as you.”

From: "iconoclast @yahoo.com" <coaster132000 @yahoo.com>
Subject: J STREET's Open Letter: Interfering with the Right Wing
American
interference with Israeli democracy
Date: Fri, 5 Feb 2010 11:19:26 -0800 (PST)
“Ben-Ami, J STREET's Executive Director, will go to show them
that American Jews who love and care about Israel's vibrant democracy
stand with them as they
exercise their basic democratic rights and protest Palestinian home
evictions”

From: Hunter Watson <coaster132...@yahoo.com>
Subject: Dual loyalties and PC: Juan Cole in high dudgeon followed by
a Sniegowski corrective
Date: Fri, 26 Feb 2010 12:01:39 -0800 (PST)
“The establishment of a liberal Jewish lobby, J STREET, which
supports a
two-state solution (Israel and Palestine side by side), is a
manifestation of the increasing unease of progessive Jewish Americans
with the policies and aggressive wars of rightwing Israeli
governments.”
“...the Likud government has snubbed a delegation of US
Congress members to Israel who support J STREET.”


From: "iconocl...@yahoo.com" <coaster132...@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Why constructive critics of Israel may not permit
themselves to
be intimidated
Date: Fri, 5 Feb 2010 16:59:14 -0800 (PST)
“Until I came here I never had a bad experience with a Jew nor
was any Jew my enemy. But as Americans I expect them to help us
recapture our sovereign foreign policy. Some have now awakened. We
have the J STREET comrades and many individuals and a few other
groups”

[Yeah, right.]

From: "iconocl...@yahoo.com" <coaster132...@yahoo.com>
Subject: American Jews determine their political beliefs based on what
is best for Israel rather than the U.S. -- exactly the "dual loyalty"
assumption that, when made by others, this very same faction brands as
anti-Semitic.
Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2010 12:16:39 -0700 (PDT)
“J STREET called the administration's anger towards Israel both
"understandable and appropriate"

From: "iconocl...@yahoo.com" <coaster132...@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: And Finally Satloff of Winep is Demolished
Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2010 10:38:03 -0700 (PDT)
“WINEP is the voice of AIPAC. Satloff is a predictable neocon.
Just label these people correctly. Put Satloff on, but up opposite
Jeremy Ben Ami of J STREET (not the State Department).”

From: "iconocl...@yahoo.com" <coaster132...@yahoo.com>
Subject: A little knowledge of who we are would go a long way ...
Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2010 17:38:21 -0700 (PDT)
“Alan Dershowitz angrily called on J STREET to join AIPAC”
“I was glad to see J STREET issue support for Obama when he
confronted settlements;”
“I seem to remember J STREET being far more critical of
settlements...”

From: "pwdapain...@yahoo.com" <coaster132...@yahoo.com>
Subject: Pushing beyond the Caterpillar Decision
Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2010 18:05:42 -0700 (PDT)
“Note that J STREET didn't make the Forward's roster.”
“Oh and speaking of the throwdown between JVP and J STREET over
boycott”
“Peratis is a board member of J STREET. Kulick is affiliated
with J STREET”

From: "pwdapain...@yahoo.com" <coaster132000 @yahoo.com>
Subject: What do most of "the Jews" actually represent politically?
Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2010 09:08:26 -0700 (PDT)
“The political home for pro-Israel, pro-peace Americans Sign
up for J Street, get updates and make your voice heard”
“...effort to make J STREET's support for her a campaign
issue.”

From: "iconoclast @yahoo.com" <coaster132000 @yahoo.com>
Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2010 20:42:42 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Re: What do most of "the Jews" actually represent
politically?
“The Ceren spat with J STREET might make for an interesting
thread but it's got ut it's got nothing to do with J STREET's analysis
of the views of America's Jews as expressed to pollsters after they
voted in the recent election. The latter is what my thread is about.”

From: coaster132000 <coaster132...@yahoo.com>
Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2011 20:17:09 -0800 (PST)
Subject: New voice in the Senate
“Jewish lobby J STREET issued a statement in response to
Paul's comments saying it was “alarmed” by his suggestion.”

From: coaster132000 <coaster132...@yahoo.com>
Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2011 19:33:54 -0800 (PST)
Subject: They've figured it out: go right at Netanyahu
"My question to J STREET and to Israel, do you want to be ten
days too late, do you want to be like these dictators...”
“J STREET's answer would seem to be what my answer is, go
after the lobby and the American Jewish community because that's where
the power is. Though the agenda here is clearly a two-state solution.
I'll keep you posted.”

From: coaster132000 @yahoo.com>
Subject: Getting the Language Right at J STREET
Date: Wed, 9 Mar 2011 12:02:30 -0800 (PST)

From: coaster132000 @yahoo.com>
Subject: The J STREET Scam
Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2011 06:10:24 -0800 (PST)

From: HHW <coaster132000 @yahoo.com>
Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2011 09:10:48 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Israel's problem is the settlements, not J STREET

And so on. More?

>>>Should't J STREET be judged by its attitude toward settlement
>>>negotiations?

No.

>>There is no such thing as a 'settlement' in Israel. Judea & Samaria is no
>>more a 'settlement' than Manchester is an 'English settlement'.
>>Y.
>>--
>>Yitzhak Isaac Goldstein
>> 'Time is a great teacher, but unfortunately it kills all its pupils'
>> (Louis Hector Berlioz (1803 - 1869))
>><http://elderofziyon.blogspot.com/>

>You might try explaining your position. Naked assertions don't sell.

Yet H uses them quite often. And no, the statement “Judea & Samaria is
[sic]no more a 'settlement' than Manchester is an 'English
settlement'” is not a “naked assertion”, or a clothed one either. It's
a fact.

Deborah

[dsharavi]

>>>>On Sep 22, 7:59 am, ColdWarDinosaur <wynnehen...@yahoo.co.uk>wrote:
>>>>>Actually that should be "A few extraordinarily wealthy, far-right and
>>>>>powerful Jews use the power of the purse to force Obama to comply with
>>>>>their demands". Lets be clear, AIPAC represents a minority of Jews,
>>>>>J-Street represents the majority.
>>>>>http://www.aipac.org/
>>>>>http://jstreet.org/
>>>>>Only 30% or less of Jews are attempting to block Palestinian statehood
>>>>>even in Israel. A powerful, wealthy minority of extremists.

>>>On Sep 22, 12:01 pm, last_permutat...@yahoo.com wrote:
>>>>Not a few Jews are not of the ZioNazi variety; you're right. J-
>>>>Street pretends
>>>>to be a less malignant ZioNazi organization, but it is all smoke &
>>>>mirrors. You
>>>>might want to dig deeper and examine them more closely.

>>On Sep 23, 6:56 pm, HHW <coaster132...@yahoo.com>wrote:

>>>I haven't followed J STREET much,

lol

>>>but this comment seems a bit odd.

>>>Should't J STREET be judged by its attitude toward settlement
>>>negotiations?

No.

>>>"J's" position is that negotiations should be based in
>>>principle on the "Green Line" with equalized and reciprocal trades to
>>>reach final boundaries.

Final boundaries have been reached with regard to Egypt and Jordan.
The “Green Line” is merely the armistice line of 1949. Things have
changed a bit since 1949.

>>>I think that's right on track.

>On Sep 23, 2:30 pm, My two cents <mytwoce...@live.co.uk>wrote:

>>Presumably "equalized and reciprocal trades" means that some
>>Israeli Arabs would become Palestinians. Have they been consulted?

Of course not. And they won't be.

>>According to some surveys the majority would prefer to
>>remain Israeli.

All too true. Especially the gay one.

On Sep 30, 11:01 am, HHW <coaster132...@yahoo.com>wrote:

>All Israeli citizens have a right to remain in their country. To drive
>them out is ethnic cleansing. That said, if they don't want to become
>Palestinian citizens and their neighborhood is to become part of
>Palestine, one supposes that they will have to move to move to another
>part of Israel. They will choose. Having a choice is good.

H thinks a choice ies especially good when the choice, is between
being “ethnically cleansed” or being massacred. As far as concerns
Jews, of course. H has wholly different standards for non-Jews.

Deborah

[dsharavi]

>>>On Sep 22, 6:59 am, ColdWarDinosaur <wynnehen...@yahoo.co.uk>wrote:

>>>>Only 30% or less of Jews are attempting to block Palestinian statehood
>>>>even in Israel. A powerful, wealthy minority of extremists.

>>On Sep 23, 11:47 am, HHW <coaster132...@yahoo.com>wrote:

>>>This is roughly correct although the 30% is probably an overstatement.

>On Sep 23, 3:32 pm, dsharavi <dshara...@hotmail.com>wrote:

>>Actually, it's an understatement. "A recent poll conducted by the
>>Hebrew University found that 70% of Israelis believe that if the UN
>>votes in favour of a Palestinian state, Israel should accept the
>>decision."
>>http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/sep/23/israelis-largely-support-...
>
>>>What's needed for the U.S. is to put it in context. The Jewish
>>>community is @ 1.8% of the American population. Less than 30% of THAT
>>>tiny minority takes the Likudish, rejectionist, hard-core, neo-
>>>colonial, expansionist, Zionist position.
>
>>Which flavour of Zionism would encompass that "Likudish, rejectionist,
>>hard-core, neo->>colonial, expansionist, Zionist position"?
>>Would it be the American
>>Zionist Movement? Or would it be General Zionism? Chibbat Zion or
>>Chovevei Zion? Po’alei Zion? Labor Zionism? Political Zionism?
>>Pragmatic Zionism? Synthetic Zionism? Territorial Zionism? Spiritual
>>Zionism? Religious Zionism? Christian Zionism? Radical Messianic
>>Zionism? Revisionist Zionism? Socialist Zionism? Marxist Socialist
>>Zionism? Jewish National Marxist Zionism? Gordinian ZIonism? Women’s
>>International Zionist Organization? World Labour ZIonism? Eco-Friendly
>>Zionism? Zombie Zionism? Tree-Hugging Zionsm?

>>Enlighten us - which of the above forms of Zionism encompasses your
>>"Likudish, rejectionist, hard-core, neo-colonial, expansionist,
>>Zionist position"?

The ********sounds of crickets********* comes as no surprise.

>>>This minute splinter of an already tiny minority wields enough raw
>>>political power to paralyze the American Congress and the Presidency
>>>on a single-issue foreign policy matter.

>>Well! if that doesn't that make you feel stupid, what would?.

On Sep 30, 11:26 am, HHW <coaster132...@yahoo.com>wrote:
>Get real, sharavi.

H's notion of what reflects, and doesn't reflect, reality:

“I'm pro-Israel. The policies I represent just aren't
recognized as such in conventional wisdom. That's because the
discourse has been so stupidly distorted. It doesn't reflect reality.”

From the same post:

“Journalism is a profession with a Code of Ethics. You can find
the
rules on the web.”
From: "iconoclastexpat1686...@yahoo.com" <coaster132...@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Israel Cries Wolf (again, and again, and again, and

lol

>It's the thesis of the primary study on the
>subject, Mearsheimer and Walt's "The

Mearsheimer and Walt's "The Largest PoS Ever Grunted Out by Harvard.”

>Israel Lobby and American Foreign
>Policy". EVERYONE SHOULD READ IT.

I've already read the thing. How many times do you have to be told,
before it sinks into your thick skull? Unlike you, I don't claim to
have read books I haven't read.

Why should everybody read a “mendacious” book that was panned as such,
not only by Shlomo Ben Ami, Benny Morris, and other accredited
historians; by George Schultz, Madeline Albright, and Henry Kissinger;
and, surprisingly, by such as Israel Finkelstein and Noam Chomsky?
Answer: Nobody should read a PoS like Maltsheimer's “Lobby”, except as
comedy or a trank. So you can stop wanking off over it.

Deborah

[dsharavi]

>>On Sep 23, 11:56 am, Yitzhak Isaac Goldstein <yitz...@yahoo.fr>wrote:

>>>There is no such thing as a 'settlement' in Israel. Judea & Samaria is no
>>>more a 'settlement' than Manchester is an 'English settlement'.

>On Sep 23, 3:44 pm, dsharavi <dshara...@hotmail.com>wrote:

>>If Israel cities, towns, and villages are "settlements", then so are
>>all PalArab cities, towns, and villages.
>>Deborah

On Sep 30, 11:28 am, HHW <coaster132...@yahoo.com>wrote:

>They might be if they were new as are the Israelis'

Most PalArab settlements ARE newer; the ones which are not were
Christian and Jewish ruins subsequently occupied by Arabs. To
paraphrase the fake Dayan quote, “There is not a single Arab
settlement that was not established in the place of a former Christian
or Arab village.”

Deborah

[dsharavi]

>>>HHW <coaster132...@yahoo.com>wrote:
>>>>I haven't followed J STREET much, but this comment seems a bit odd.
>>>>Should't J STREET be judged by its attitude toward settlement
>>>>negotiations?

>>On Sep 23, 7:56 pm, Yitzhak Isaac Goldstein <yitz...@yahoo.fr>wrote:

>>>There is no such thing as a 'settlement' in Israel. Judea & Samaria is no
>>>more a 'settlement' than Manchester is an 'English settlement'.
>>>Y.

>On Sep 23, 3:37 pm, Ariadne <ariadne....@gmail.com>wrote:

>>HHW is an antisemitic pest infesting SCI and SCJ.
>>He doesn't know anything.

On Sep 30, 11:15 am, HHW <coaster132...@yahoo.com>wrote:

>Behave yourself, Ariadne. All North Americans and Europeans too have
>stakes in the outcome in Palestine. In fact the stakes can be said to
>be global. Jews are not the only interested parties. That idea's
>absurd. You Zionists have created this mess. It's what happens when
>you stir-up regional instability and wars by colonial aggression and
>then corrupt the last "superpower's" government so as to gain
>unqualified support for what is essentially fascist behavior. For
>these people to have opinions on matters of American Foreign Policy
>doesn't make them "anti-Semites". You don't have a right much less the
>ability to shut us up.

Wow, awesome. H has produced ... not a single factual sentence in his
entire yark of twaddle.

Deborah

[dsharavi]

>>On Sep 22, 2:38 pm, John Simms <Tr...@honest.com>wrote:

>>>J STREET, the self-proclaimed "political arm of the pro-Israel, pro-peace

>>>movement" that seeks to dethrone AIPAC, receives tens of thousands of
>>>dollars from individuals connected to Iranian and Palestinian-issue
>>>advocacy, the Jerusalem Post reports.

>On Sep 23, 3:38 pm, Ariadne <ariadne....@gmail.com>wrote:

>>Not news to anyone who actually deals in facts!

On Sep 30, 11:19 am, HHW <coaster132...@yahoo.com>wrote:

>So what? Are people of Iranian and Palestinian origin to be denied
>opinions and political activity? If so, why?

H brushes this off with a “so what”? For the reason that both Iranians
and PalArabs want the destruction of Israel, which is H's devout hope
– despite his claim that he's pro-Israel -

“Journalism is a profession with a Code of Ethics. You can find
the
rules on the web.”

“I'm pro-Israel. The policies I represent just aren't
recognized as such in conventional wisdom. That's because the
discourse has been so stupidly distorted. It doesn't reflect reality.”

From: "iconoclastexpat1686...@yahoo.com" <coaster132...@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Israel Cries Wolf (again, and again, and again, and

.

Deborah

[Tom Sawyer]

You claim you are pro-Is-rye-ale. So what is your point, dunce?

"dsharavi" <dsha...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:f656c894-621e-4107...@t11g2000yqa.googlegroups.com...

[Tom Sawyer]

And you have?

"dsharavi" <dsha...@hotmail.com> wrote in message

news:f4cc73f0-07f3-4021...@db5g2000vbb.googlegroups.com...

[HHW]

On Oct 1, 1:44 am, rfisc...@sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote:

> HHW  <coaster132...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >On Sep 23, 1:56 pm, Yitzhak Isaac Goldstein <yitz...@yahoo.fr> wrote:
> >> HHW <coaster132...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >> > I haven't followed J Street much, but this comment seems a bit odd.
> >> > Should't J Street be judged by its attitude toward settlement
> >> > negotiations?
>
> >> There is no such thing as a 'settlement' in Israel.  Judea & Samaria is no
> >> more a 'settlement' than Manchester is an 'English settlement'.
>
> >You might try explaining your position.
>
> Good luck with that.

Old Yitzhak doesn't make arguments.

> > Naked assertions don't sell.
>
> He has nothing else.  A crazy fanatic with no interest in anything but
> hatred for the enemy.

After a while one can only suppose it's some sort of learning
disability.

>
> --
> Ray Fischer         |  Mendocracy (n.) government by lying

[HHW]

On Oct 1, 9:53 pm, dsharavi <dshara...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >>HHW <coaster132...@yahoo.com>wrote:
> >>>I haven't followed J Street much,
>
> Oh ? Hmmm..let's see....wow ... there's a lot ...

Not in that comment.

>     “Jonathan Chait of the New Republic warned J STREET..”...
>
> read more »

As I say, not much.

[HHW]

On Oct 1, 9:53 pm, dsharavi <dshara...@hotmail.com> wrote:

> >>>>On Sep 22, 7:59 am, ColdWarDinosaur <wynnehen...@yahoo.co.uk>wrote:
> >>>>>Actually that should be "A few extraordinarily wealthy, far-right and
> >>>>>powerful Jews use the power of the purse to force Obama to comply with
> >>>>>their demands". Lets be clear, AIPAC represents a minority of Jews,
> >>>>>J-Street represents the majority.
> >>>>>http://www.aipac.org/
> >>>>>http://jstreet.org/
> >>>>>Only 30% or less of Jews are attempting to block Palestinian statehood
> >>>>>even in Israel. A powerful, wealthy minority of extremists.
> >>>On Sep 22, 12:01 pm, last_permutat...@yahoo.com wrote:
> >>>>Not a few Jews are not of the ZioNazi variety; you're right.   J-
> >>>>Street pretends
> >>>>to be a less malignant ZioNazi organization, but it is all smoke &
> >>>>mirrors.  You
> >>>>might want to dig deeper and examine them more closely.
> >>On Sep 23, 6:56 pm, HHW <coaster132...@yahoo.com>wrote:
> >>>I haven't followed J STREET much,
>
> lol
>
> >>>but this comment seems a bit odd.
> >>>Should't J STREET be judged by its attitude toward settlement
> >>>negotiations?
>
> No.

Sorry, but yes. It's the central issue.

> >>>"J's" position is that negotiations should be based in
> >>>principle on the "Green Line" with equalized and reciprocal trades to
> >>>reach final boundaries.
>
> Final boundaries have been reached with regard to Egypt and Jordan.

Neither Egypt nor Jordan is a contender for Palestinian lands. Jordan
has even disclaimed interest.

> The “Green Line” is merely the armistice line of 1949. Things have
> changed a bit since 1949.

What would one expect from a Zionist fanatic. There is no other line
which makes sense.

>
> >>>I think that's right on track.
> >On Sep 23, 2:30 pm, My two cents <mytwoce...@live.co.uk>wrote:
> >>Presumably "equalized and reciprocal trades" means that some
> >>Israeli Arabs would become Palestinians. Have they been consulted?
>
> Of course not. And they won't be.
>
> >>According to some surveys the majority would prefer to
> >>remain Israeli.
>
> All too true. Especially the gay one.

Missy Ratner?

>
> On Sep 30, 11:01 am, HHW <coaster132...@yahoo.com>wrote:
>
> >All Israeli citizens have a right to remain in their country. To drive
> >them out is ethnic cleansing. That said, if they don't want to become
> >Palestinian citizens and their neighborhood is to become part of
> >Palestine, one supposes that they will have to move to move to another
> >part of Israel. They will choose. Having a choice is good.
>
> H thinks a choice ies especially good when the choice, is between
> being “ethnically cleansed” or being massacred. As far as concerns
> Jews, of course. H has wholly different standards for non-Jews.

How strange. The Jews are the predominant "massacreors".

[HHW]

On Oct 1, 9:56 pm, dsharavi <dshara...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >>On Sep 23, 11:56 am, Yitzhak Isaac Goldstein <yitz...@yahoo.fr>wrote:
> >>>There is no such thing as a 'settlement' in Israel.  Judea & Samaria is no
> >>>more a 'settlement' than Manchester is an 'English settlement'.

The Israeli communities planted there by post-1967 Zionist governments
are colonial enterprises with no legitimate title to the land. They
have accomplished the colonialist expansion through crimes such as
armed aggression, ethnic cleansing, etc. You might be a tiny bit more
credible if you were at least admit to your suppressed premises such
as: We own them because we are Jews and God gave them to us. Not to
anyone else mind you but only to us. And it doesn't matter that no one
but us believes in our god.

[HHW]

So you do have the right to shut us, and our Congress, up?


>
> Deborah

[HHW]

On Oct 1, 9:56 pm, dsharavi <dshara...@hotmail.com> wrote:

Haven't I responded to that? Of course I have

BS. Let us know when you are ready to take issue with it in detail.

>
> Why should everybody read a “mendacious” book that was panned as such,
> not only by Shlomo Ben Ami, Benny Morris, and other accredited
> historians; by George Schultz, Madeline Albright, and Henry Kissinger;

All three Jewish?

> and, surprisingly, by such as Israel Finkelstein and Noam Chomsky?
> Answer: Nobody should read a PoS like Maltsheimer's “Lobby”, except as
> comedy or a trank. So you can stop wanking off over it.

See above.

[Zev]

On Oct 4, 9:15 pm, HHW <coaster132...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Oct 1, 9:53 pm, dsharavi <dshara...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > >>>>On Sep 22, 7:59 am, ColdWarDinosaur <wynnehen...@yahoo.co.uk>wrote:

> > The “Green Line” is merely the armistice line of 1949. Things have
> > changed a bit since 1949.
>
> What would one expect from a Zionist fanatic. There is no other line
> which makes sense.

That's what one of the sides says.
But there are two sides here.
That's what negotiations are for.

[drahcir]

On Tue, 4 Oct 2011 12:30:58 -0700 (PDT), HHW <coaste...@yahoo.com>
wrote:

>On Oct 1, 9:56 pm, dsharavi <dshara...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> >>On Sep 23, 11:56 am, Yitzhak Isaac Goldstein <yitz...@yahoo.fr>wrote:
>> >>>There is no such thing as a 'settlement' in Israel.  Judea & Samaria is no
>> >>>more a 'settlement' than Manchester is an 'English settlement'.
>
>The Israeli communities planted there by post-1967 Zionist governments
>are colonial enterprises with no legitimate title to the land. They
>have accomplished the colonialist expansion through crimes such as
>armed aggression, ethnic cleansing, etc. You might be a tiny bit more
>credible if you were at least admit to your suppressed premises such
>as:

And you might try reading a history book someitime. If it's a good
one, you'll learn that Egypt, by closing the straits of Tiran, began
the 6 day war. When the war was over and a ceasefire was signed,
Israel had tripled in size. Of course, much of the territory gained
was eventually given back to the aggressors. Now, can you explain to
the group why the ceasefire lines in 1949 are different qualitatively
from the ceasefire lines in 1967?

[drahcir]

On Tue, 4 Oct 2011 12:15:13 -0700 (PDT), HHW <coaste...@yahoo.com>
wrote:

What makes sense to an ignoramus like you is not relevant. Please
explain to the group how the ceasefire lines of 1949 differ
qualitatively from those of 1967.

[drahcir]

On Tue, 4 Oct 2011 12:21:33 -0700 (PDT), HHW <coaste...@yahoo.com>
wrote:

LOL! This cretin, who has been proven to lie about books he claims to
have read, disputes Deb when she says she has read the book, and has
disputed me when I say I haven't! You are as nutty as a fruitcake, H.

>> Why should everybody read a “mendacious” book that was panned as such,
>> not only by Shlomo Ben Ami, Benny Morris, and other accredited
>> historians; by George Schultz, Madeline Albright, and Henry Kissinger;
>
>
>All three Jewish?

You raving antisemitic lunatic, Shultz is Catholic.

[dsharavi]

On Oct 4, 5:55 pm, drahcir <s...@sgscc.com> wrote:
> On Tue, 4 Oct 2011 12:21:33 -0700 (PDT), HHW <coaster132...@yahoo.com>

Albright is Episcopalian. Kissinger is a secular Jew--not that the
raving antisemitic loon understands what that means.

Deborah

[dsharavi]

On Oct 4, 12:08 pm, HHW <coaster132...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Oct 1, 9:53 pm, dsharavi <dshara...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > >>HHW <coaster132...@yahoo.com>wrote:
> > >>>I haven't followed J Street much,
>
> > Oh ? Hmmm..let's see....wow ... there's a lot ...
>
> Not in that comment.

De Nile aint just a river in Egypt.

Deborah

[dsharavi]

On Oct 4, 12:15 pm, HHW <coaster132...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Oct 1, 9:53 pm, dsharavi <dshara...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > >>On Sep 23, 6:56 pm, HHW <coaster132...@yahoo.com>wrote:
> > >>>I haven't followed J STREET much,

> > lol

> > >>>but this comment seems a bit odd.
> > >>>Should't J STREET be judged by its attitude toward settlement
> > >>>negotiations?

> > No.
>
> Sorry, but yes. It's the central issue.

"Settlement negotiations" aren't a central issue to J Street, or to
anyone else.

> > >>>"J's" position is that negotiations should be based in
> > >>>principle on the "Green Line" with equalized and reciprocal trades to
> > >>>reach final boundaries.

> > Final boundaries have been reached with regard to Egypt and Jordan.
>
> Neither Egypt nor Jordan is a contender for Palestinian lands.

ROTFLMAOI! Try reading some history, for a change. Jordan IS comprised
of "Palestinian lands".

>Jordan has even disclaimed interest.

The decades-old Jordanian occupation of the so-called "West Bank"
ceased in 1967.

On 31st July 1988, King Hussein announced that Jordan had ceded claims
to its former West Bank to the Palestine Liberation Organization --
exception only guardianship over Muslim Holy Sites of Jerusalem.

On 26th October 1994, the Israel-Jordan Treaty of Peace was signed,
normalizing relations between the two, resolving territorial disputes,
and establishing borders between them.

That is how international borders are formed.

Read some history, for a change.

> > The “Green Line” is merely the armistice line of 1949. Things have
> > changed a bit since 1949.

> What would one expect from a Zionist fanatic. There is no other line
> which makes sense.

More stupidity from an fanatic antisemitic loon. Armistice lines are
not borders; they represent agreed-upon lines where the fighting
ended, not borders. There is no reason that the armistice lines of
1949 should be any more valid than the armistice lines of 1967.

> > >On Sep 23, 2:30 pm, My two cents <mytwoce...@live.co.uk>wrote:
> > >>Presumably "equalized and reciprocal trades" means that some
> > >>Israeli Arabs would become Palestinians. Have they been consulted?
>
> > Of course not. And they won't be.
>
> > >>According to some surveys the majority would prefer to
> > >>remain Israeli.
>
> > All too true. Especially the gay one.
>
> Missy Ratner?

How about you? And your son, too, of course.

> > On Sep 30, 11:01 am, HHW <coaster132...@yahoo.com>wrote:
> > >All Israeli citizens have a right to remain in their country. To drive
> > >them out is ethnic cleansing. That said, if they don't want to become
> > >Palestinian citizens and their neighborhood is to become part of
> > >Palestine, one supposes that they will have to move to move to another
> > >part of Israel. They will choose. Having a choice is good.

> > H thinks a choice ies especially good when the choice, is between
> > being “ethnically cleansed” or being massacred. As far as concerns
> > Jews, of course. H has wholly different standards for non-Jews.
>
> How strange. The Jews are the predominant "massacreors".

Fuck you and the horse you rode in on, Tonto.

Deborah

[dsharavi]

> > >On Sep 23, 3:37 pm, Ariadne <ariadne....@gmail.com>wrote:
> > >>HHW is an antisemitic pest infesting SCI and SCJ.
> > >>He doesn't know anything.

> > On Sep 30, 11:15 am, HHW <coaster132...@yahoo.com>wrote:
> > >Behave yourself, Ariadne. All North Americans and Europeans too have
> > >stakes in the outcome in Palestine. In fact the stakes can be said to
> > >be global. Jews are not the only interested parties. That idea's
> > >absurd. You Zionists have created this mess. It's what happens when
> > >you stir-up regional instability and wars by colonial aggression and
> > >then corrupt the last "superpower's" government so as to gain
> > >unqualified support for what is essentially fascist behavior. For
> > >these people to have opinions on matters of American Foreign Policy
> > >doesn't make them "anti-Semites". You don't have a right much less the
> > >ability to shut us up.

> > Wow, awesome. H has produced ... not a single factual sentence in his
> > entire yark of twaddle.
>

On Oct 4, 12:32 pm, HHW <coaster132...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> So you do have the right to shut us, and our Congress, up?

How much have you had to drink this time, old sot?

Deborah

[dsharavi]

I see you haven't taken the sage advice above, and that you will
continue to wank off over these "shoddy" and "mendacious" non-
historians. How typical.

Deborah

[dsharavi]

On Oct 4, 12:30 pm, HHW <coaster132...@yahoo.com> wrote:

> > >>On Sep 23, 11:56 am, Yitzhak Isaac Goldstein <yitz...@yahoo.fr>wrote:
> > >>>There is no such thing as a 'settlement' in Israel.  Judea & Samaria is no
> > >>>more a 'settlement' than Manchester is an 'English settlement'.
>
> The Israeli communities planted there by post-1967 Zionist governments
> are colonial enterprises with no legitimate title to the land.

Many of the "Israeli communities planted there" were actually rebuilt
villages from which Jews had been "ethnically cleansed", e.g. Gush
Etzion.

> They
> have accomplished the colonialist expansion through crimes such as
> armed aggression, ethnic cleansing, etc.

Bulloney.

>You might be a tiny bit more
> credible if you were at least admit to your suppressed premises such
> as: We own them because we are Jews and God gave them to us. Not to
> anyone else mind you but only to us. And it doesn't matter that no one
> but us believes in our god.

You might be a tiny bit credible if you stopped projecting your
personal belief:
"I, Hunter Twatson, am a lawyer (allegedly), and therefore everything
I say should be treated as if handed down from SInai, no matter how
full of crap it is."

Deborah

> > >On Sep 23, 3:44 pm, dsharavi <dshara...@hotmail.com>wrote:
> > >>If Israel cities, towns, and villages are "settlements", then so are
> > >>all PalArab cities, towns, and villages.
> > >>Deborah
>
> > On Sep 30, 11:28 am, HHW <coaster132...@yahoo.com>wrote:
> > >They might be if they were new as are the Israelis'
>

[HHW]

78% of Palestine is not enough for you Zionists. Why won't you justify
that position? Why won't you argue it with specifics?

[HHW]

Oh, I forgot that you guys get to be the uber massacreors by right?
>
> Deborah

[HHW]

On Oct 4, 7:35 pm, drahcir <s...@sgscc.com> wrote:
> On Tue, 4 Oct 2011 12:30:58 -0700 (PDT), HHW <coaster132...@yahoo.com>

> wrote:
>
> >On Oct 1, 9:56 pm, dsharavi <dshara...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >> >>On Sep 23, 11:56 am, Yitzhak Isaac Goldstein <yitz...@yahoo.fr>wrote:
> >> >>>There is no such thing as a 'settlement' in Israel.  Judea & Samaria is no
> >> >>>more a 'settlement' than Manchester is an 'English settlement'.
>
> >The Israeli communities planted there by post-1967 Zionist governments
> >are colonial enterprises with no legitimate title to the land. They
> >have accomplished the colonialist expansion through crimes such as
> >armed aggression, ethnic cleansing, etc. You might be a tiny bit more
> >credible if you were at least admit to your suppressed premises such
> >as:
>
> And you might try reading a history book someitime.

A "history book". They are histories, Ratner. You write like a middle-
schooler.

If it's a good
> one, you'll learn that Egypt, by closing the straits of Tiran, began
> the 6 day war. When the war was over and a ceasefire was signed,
> Israel had tripled in size. Of course, much of the territory gained
> was eventually given back to the aggressors. Now, can you explain to
> the group why the ceasefire lines in 1949 are different qualitatively
> from the ceasefire lines in 1967?

Ha ha. Sure. You haven't yet given it back.

> We own them because we are Jews and God gave them to us. Not to
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> >anyone else mind you but only to us. And it doesn't matter that no one
> >but us believes in our god.

Mute here, Ratner? Can you generate a better argument than I did for
you? Come on now, punishing Palestinians for the Crimes of
Christians!? Because you're superior people?

[HHW]

Answer the question. Lots of Americans are watching.

[HHW]

The book sharavi is referring to is "The Israel Lobby and American
Foreign Policy" by Professors Mearsheimer and Walt of the University
of Chicago and Harvard, respectively. Whoever hopes to pierce the veil
of disinformation pumped out every day in America by the Israel Lobby
needs badly to read their book.

[HHW]

List them.

[Ray Fischer]

drahcir <sg...@sgscc.com> wrote:
>On Tue, 4 Oct 2011 12:30:58 -0700 (PDT), HHW <coaste...@yahoo.com>
>wrote:
>
>>On Oct 1, 9:56 pm, dsharavi <dshara...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>> >>On Sep 23, 11:56 am, Yitzhak Isaac Goldstein <yitz...@yahoo.fr>wrote:
>>> >>>There is no such thing as a 'settlement' in Israel.  Judea & Samaria is no
>>> >>>more a 'settlement' than Manchester is an 'English settlement'.
>>
>>The Israeli communities planted there by post-1967 Zionist governments
>>are colonial enterprises with no legitimate title to the land. They
>>have accomplished the colonialist expansion through crimes such as
>>armed aggression, ethnic cleansing, etc. You might be a tiny bit more
>>credible if you were at least admit to your suppressed premises such
>>as:
>
>And you might try reading a history book someitime. If it's a good
>one, you'll learn that Egypt, by closing the straits of Tiran, began
>the 6 day war. When the war was over and a ceasefire was signed,

That's of not the slightest relevance. The West Bank remains occupied
territory and Iraels continues expansion of illegal settlements.

--
Ray Fischer | Mendocracy (n.) government by lying

rfis...@sonic.net | The new GOP ideal

[Ray Fischer]

dsharavi <dsh...@gmail.com> wrote:
>On Oct 4, 12:30 pm, HHW <coaster132...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> > >>On Sep 23, 11:56 am, Yitzhak Isaac Goldstein <yitz...@yahoo.fr>wrote:
>> > >>>There is no such thing as a 'settlement' in Israel.  Judea & Samaria is no
>> > >>>more a 'settlement' than Manchester is an 'English settlement'.
>>
>> The Israeli communities planted there by post-1967 Zionist governments
>> are colonial enterprises with no legitimate title to the land.
>
>Many of the "Israeli communities planted there" were actually rebuilt
>villages from which Jews had been "ethnically cleansed", e.g. Gush
>Etzion.

ROFL! The brutal oppresor fabricates absurd justifications for
playing the victim! It'd be funny if it weren't so malicious.

>> They
>> have accomplished the colonialist expansion through crimes such as
>> armed aggression, ethnic cleansing, etc.
>
>Bulloney.

Nope. Israel is a brutal police state.

http://whatreallyhappened.com/IMAGES/GazaHolo/index.html

[Dennes De Mennes]

In article <4e8fcbb6$0$1723$742e...@news.sonic.net>, rfis...@sonic.net
says...

>
> That's of not the slightest relevance. The West Bank remains occupied
> territory and Iraels continues expansion of illegal settlements.

if they give you an inch you'll take a mile.

[Ray Fischer]

The other side says that the border should be with Jordan.

[drahcir]

On Fri, 7 Oct 2011 13:35:24 -0700 (PDT), HHW <coaste...@yahoo.com>
wrote:

>On Oct 4, 7:35 pm, drahcir <s...@sgscc.com> wrote:
>> On Tue, 4 Oct 2011 12:30:58 -0700 (PDT), HHW <coaster132...@yahoo.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >On Oct 1, 9:56 pm, dsharavi <dshara...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> >> >>On Sep 23, 11:56 am, Yitzhak Isaac Goldstein <yitz...@yahoo.fr>wrote:
>> >> >>>There is no such thing as a 'settlement' in Israel.  Judea & Samaria is no
>> >> >>>more a 'settlement' than Manchester is an 'English settlement'.
>>
>> >The Israeli communities planted there by post-1967 Zionist governments
>> >are colonial enterprises with no legitimate title to the land. They
>> >have accomplished the colonialist expansion through crimes such as
>> >armed aggression, ethnic cleansing, etc. You might be a tiny bit more
>> >credible if you were at least admit to your suppressed premises such
>> >as:
>>
>> And you might try reading a history book someitime.
>
>A "history book". They are histories, Ratner. You write like a middle-
>schooler.

You're that desperate, eh? Eggggggggcelent.

>
>If it's a good
>> one, you'll learn that Egypt, by closing the straits of Tiran, began
>> the 6 day war. When the war was over and a ceasefire was signed,
>> Israel had tripled in size. Of course, much of the territory gained
>> was eventually given back to the aggressors. Now, can you explain to
>> the group why the ceasefire lines in 1949 are different qualitatively
>> from the ceasefire lines in 1967?
>
>Ha ha. Sure. You haven't yet given it back.

That's perfect. H, Run for your life, coward. I knew you couldn't
answer the question. Your reply doesn't even make sense. Ever heard of
"Sinai", ignoramus?

[drahcir]

On 08 Oct 2011 04:04:06 GMT, rfis...@sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote:

>drahcir <sg...@sgscc.com> wrote:
>>On Tue, 4 Oct 2011 12:30:58 -0700 (PDT), HHW <coaste...@yahoo.com>
>>wrote:
>>
>>>On Oct 1, 9:56�pm, dsharavi <dshara...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>> >>On Sep 23, 11:56 am, Yitzhak Isaac Goldstein <yitz...@yahoo.fr>wrote:
>>>> >>>There is no such thing as a 'settlement' in Israel. �Judea & Samaria is no
>>>> >>>more a 'settlement' than Manchester is an 'English settlement'.
>>>
>>>The Israeli communities planted there by post-1967 Zionist governments
>>>are colonial enterprises with no legitimate title to the land. They
>>>have accomplished the colonialist expansion through crimes such as
>>>armed aggression, ethnic cleansing, etc. You might be a tiny bit more
>>>credible if you were at least admit to your suppressed premises such
>>>as:
>>
>>And you might try reading a history book someitime. If it's a good
>>one, you'll learn that Egypt, by closing the straits of Tiran, began
>>the 6 day war. When the war was over and a ceasefire was signed,
>
>That's of not the slightest relevance.

LOL! Ray, a man needs to know his limitations. It's of utmost
relevance, it's just that you're too stupid to perceive it.

The West Bank remains occupied
>territory and Iraels continues expansion of illegal settlements.

Why is the West Bank "occupied", and land within the "green line" not
"occupied"? WHAT IS THE DIFFERENCE, YOU MORON?