It Doesn’t Matter Why He Did It, liberals now trying to evade blame.
Leroy N. Soetoro
is-internet-postings.html
Judging from his Internet postings, Jared Lee Loughner is a delusional
young man whose inner political landscape is a swamp of dystopian
novels, left- and right-wing tracts, conspiracy theories, and contempt
for his fellow human beings. He refers to the gold and silver standard;
that doesn't make Ron Paul responsible for the shootings. He is fond of
“Animal Farm”; George Orwell didn't guide the hand that pulled the
automatic pistol's trigger. Marx and Hitler produced a lot of corpses,
but not the ones in Tucson.
But the plate-glass window of Congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords’s office
was shattered last March after the final health-care vote. Judge John
Roll, who was among the dead, had received death threats and spent a
month with a protection detail. Roll was apparently a bystander to
Loughner’s intended target—and maybe the gunman had no idea why he was
aiming for Giffords either, maybe he didn't know how she voted on health
care or what her position on Arizona’s draconian immigration law was. It
would be a kind of relief if Loughner operated not out of any coherent
political context but just his own fevered brain.
But even so, the tragedy wouldn't change this basic fact: for the past
two years, many conservative leaders, activists, and media figures have
made a habit of trying to delegitimize their political opponents. Not
just arguing against their opponents, but doing everything possible to
turn them into enemies of the country and cast them out beyond the pale.
Instead of “soft on defense,” one routinely hears the words “treason”
and “traitor.” The President isn't a big-government liberal—he's a
socialist who wants to impose tyranny. He's also, according to a
minority of Republicans, including elected officials, an impostor. Even
the reading of the Constitution on the first day of the 112th Congress
was conceived as an assault on the legitimacy of the Democratic
Administration and Congress.
This relentlessly hostile rhetoric has become standard issue on the
right. (On the left it appears in anonymous comment threads, not
congressional speeches and national T.V. programs.) And it has gone
almost entirely uncriticized by Republican leaders. Partisan media
encourages it, while the mainstream media finds it titillating and airs
it, often without comment, so that the gradual effect is to desensitize
even people to whom the rhetoric is repellent. We’ve all grown so used
to it over the past couple of years that it took the shock of an
assassination attempt to show us the ugliness to which our politics has
sunk.
The massacre in Tucson is, in a sense, irrelevant to the important
point. Whatever drove Jared Lee Loughner, America's political
frequencies are full of violent static.
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Obama's black racist USAG appointee.
Eric Holder, racist black United States Attorney General drops voter
intimidation charges against the Black Panthers, "You are about to be
ruled by the black man, cracker!"
Eric Holder, prejudiced black United States Attorney General settles the
hate crime debate, "Whites Not Protected by Hate Crime Laws."
Nancy Pelosi, Democrat criminal, accessory before and after the fact, to
former House Ways and Means Committee Chairman Charles B. Rangel of New
York's million dollar tax evasion. On December 3, 2010, Congress voted to
censure Rangel for 11 ethics violations. House Speaker Nancy Pelosi
fought removal of Charles B. Rangel from the House Ways and Means
Committee.
Felony President. 18 USC, Sec. 600. Promise of employment or other
benefit for political activity
Obama violated the law by trying to buy Joe Sestak off with a political
appointment in exchange for not pursuing an election bid to replace Arlen
Specter. Obama violated the law by trying to buy former Colorado House
Speaker Andrew Romanoff off last fall to see if he'd be interested in an
administration job -- instead of running against Sen. Michael Bennet.
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Ray Fischer
>http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/georgepacker/2011/01/judging-from-h
>is-internet-postings.html
>
>Judging from his Internet postings, Jared Lee Loughner is a delusional
>young man whose inner political landscape is a swamp of dystopian
>novels, left- and right-wing tracts, conspiracy theories, and contempt
>for his fellow human beings. He refers to the gold and silver standard;
>that doesn't make Ron Paul responsible for the shootings. He is fond of
>�Animal Farm�; George Orwell didn't guide the hand that pulled the
>automatic pistol's trigger. Marx and Hitler produced a lot of corpses,
>but not the ones in Tucson.
If you put targets on your enemies then don't pretend righteous
innocence when somebody pulls the trigger.
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Too_Many_Tools
> Leroy N. Soetoro <leroysoet...@usurper.org> wrote:
>
> >http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/georgepacker/2011/01/judging-fr...
> >is-internet-postings.html
>
> >Judging from his Internet postings, Jared Lee Loughner is a delusional
> >young man whose inner political landscape is a swamp of dystopian
> >novels, left- and right-wing tracts, conspiracy theories, and contempt
> >for his fellow human beings. He refers to the gold and silver standard;
> >that doesn't make Ron Paul responsible for the shootings. He is fond of
> > Animal Farm ; George Orwell didn't guide the hand that pulled the
> >automatic pistol's trigger. Marx and Hitler produced a lot of corpses,
> >but not the ones in Tucson.
>
> If you put targets on your enemies then don't pretend righteous
> innocence when somebody pulls the trigger.
>
> --
> Ray Fischer | Mendacracy (n.) government by lying
Very well said.
TMT
rial landreth
It would appear that you also lack the ability to reason or think for
yourself.
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rial landreth
> Leroy N. Soetoro <leroys...@usurper.org> wrote:
>> http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/georgepacker/2011/01/judging-from-h
>> is-internet-postings.html
>>
>> Judging from his Internet postings, Jared Lee Loughner is a delusional
>> young man whose inner political landscape is a swamp of dystopian
>> novels, left- and right-wing tracts, conspiracy theories, and contempt
>> for his fellow human beings. He refers to the gold and silver standard;
>> that doesn't make Ron Paul responsible for the shootings. He is fond of
>> “Animal Farm”; George Orwell didn't guide the hand that pulled the
>> automatic pistol's trigger. Marx and Hitler produced a lot of corpses,
>> but not the ones in Tucson.
>
> If you put targets on your enemies then don't pretend righteous
> innocence when somebody pulls the trigger.
>
I suppose the bullseyes Democrats disseminated will be in play then also.
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az-willie
It doesn't take an Einstein to realize that people with mental problems
can be influenced by the hate talk they hear on radio and read in
newsgroups etc. etc.
Radio talk shows such as Limbaugh and others exist solely to influence
people and persuade them to act according to the desires of the radio
personality or his bosses who tell him what to say.
When these personalities engage in rhetoric using words of violence such
as " eliminate " " don't retreat - reload " and " we'll use bullets if
ballots fail " they can't be surprised if a mentally ill person acts out
the images the personalities have created.
The average IQ in the U.S. is only 100. That means that as you walk
through a shopping center half the people there have an IQ less than 100.
Possibly 15% have an IQ below 70.
Some of these people lack the mental ability differentiate between the
word pictures created by radio hosts and reality on occassion.
Free speech has limits. You can't shout " FIRE " in a crowded theater.
Using political rhetoric loaded with language of violence influences
people --- THAT'S WHY THEY DO IT.
They cannot claim innocence when a deranged follower acts on the
inspiration the talk show hosts have gone to great pains to create.
The families of the victims in Tucson should file a class action civil
suit against all the right wing talk host and politicians who have used
violent language in their campaigns such as the woman tea bagger
candidate who said they " would use bullets if ballots fail ".
They deliberately used inflammatory language and helped motivated the
deranged boy in Tucson to do as Palin said " don't retreat -- reload "
and that's exactly what he did. He reloaded and shot some more.
rial landreth
In like manner they can be influenced by television, thrash metal rock,
and movies.
> Radio talk shows such as Limbaugh and others exist solely to influence
> people and persuade them to act according to the desires of the radio
> personality or his bosses who tell him what to say.
What do Air America and MSNBC exist to do?
> When these personalities engage in rhetoric using words of violence such
> as " eliminate " " don't retreat - reload " and " we'll use bullets if
> ballots fail " they can't be surprised if a mentally ill person acts out
> the images the personalities have created.
I can't be surprised you point only to the actions of ONE side.
> The average IQ in the U.S. is only 100. That means that as you walk
> through a shopping center half the people there have an IQ less than 100.
>
> Possibly 15% have an IQ below 70.
Yes, at least you have company there.
> Some of these people lack the mental ability differentiate between the
> word pictures created by radio hosts and reality on occassion.
>
> Free speech has limits. You can't shout " FIRE " in a crowded theater.
> Using political rhetoric loaded with language of violence influences
> people --- THAT'S WHY THEY DO IT.
Then they would be prosecuted if it were actionable, however mere
political rhetoric is not a call of "fire", as the courts have always held.
> They cannot claim innocence when a deranged follower acts on the
> inspiration the talk show hosts have gone to great pains to create.
You can not point to any proof they wanted this to occur, but you may be
aware Air America talker Randy Rhodes called for Bush to be shot, playing
actual recorded gunshots as the background.
> The families of the victims in Tucson should file a class action civil
> suit against all the right wing talk host and politicians who have used
> violent language in their campaigns such as the woman tea bagger
> candidate who said they " would use bullets if ballots fail ".
Only if their IQs are as stunted as yours.
> They deliberately used inflammatory language and helped motivated the
> deranged boy in Tucson to do as Palin said " don't retreat -- reload "
> and that's exactly what he did. He reloaded and shot some more.
He never made a reload, fool, the second magazine jammed and he was taken
down.
Facts are simply not cooperative with your inflammatory partisan rhetoric.
Which is why most sensible folks here filter your odd rants out.
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"rial landreth" wrote in message news:op.vo7mn...@z-pc.ph.cox.net...
Lookout
wrote:
>Organization: X-Privat.Org NNTP Server - http://www.x-privat.org
Another troll filtered.
rial landreth
Another intellectual coward identified.
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Klaus Schadenfreude
Truer words were never written. Do a search on the words "Lookout"
and "filtered" and guaranteed you will produce a list of posts proving
Lookout wrong.
Curly Surmudgeon
I've lost count of the number of times that Palin and Beck have used
"target" against the political opposition.
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Curly Surmudgeon
Stop nym-shifting, cockroach.
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Iarnrod
> On Wed, 12 Jan 2011 13:22:40 -0700, Lookout <mrLooko...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > On Wed, 12 Jan 2011 11:15:33 -0700, "rial landreth" <r...@dev.null>
> > wrote:
>
> >> Organization: X-Privat.Org NNTP Server -http://www.x-privat.org
> > Another troll filtered.
>
> Another intellectual coward identified.
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Yes. You.
Pepe Le Jew
rfis...@sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote:
> Leroy N. Soetoro <leroys...@usurper.org> wrote:
> >http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/georgepacker/2011/01/judging-from-h
> >is-internet-postings.html
> >
> >Judging from his Internet postings, Jared Lee Loughner is a delusional
> >young man whose inner political landscape is a swamp of dystopian
> >novels, left- and right-wing tracts, conspiracy theories, and contempt
> >for his fellow human beings. He refers to the gold and silver standard;
> >that doesn't make Ron Paul responsible for the shootings. He is fond of
> >“Animal Farm”; George Orwell didn't guide the hand that pulled the
> >automatic pistol's trigger. Marx and Hitler produced a lot of corpses,
> >but not the ones in Tucson.
>
> If you put targets on your enemies then don't pretend righteous
> innocence when somebody pulls the trigger.
The target/bullseye graphics related to the victim predated Sarah
Palin's, they're not apologizing.
rial landreth
Metaphors must be irksome for you.
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rial landreth
<CurlySu...@live.com> wrote:
> On Wed, 12 Jan 2011 13:40:13 -0700, "rial landreth" <rl...@dev.null>
> wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 12 Jan 2011 13:22:40 -0700, Lookout <mrLoo...@yahoo.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On Wed, 12 Jan 2011 11:15:33 -0700, "rial landreth" <rl...@dev.null>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Organization: X-Privat.Org NNTP Server - http://www.x-privat.org
>>> Another troll filtered.
>>
>> Another intellectual coward identified.
>
> Stop nym-shifting, cockroach.
>
Now there is a literate and on point rejoinder, any others?
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rial landreth
Sorry? I'm not the one setting filters here, albeit you and he might both
be sensible candidates for such.
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wrote:
Asserts evidence not in record.
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Pepe Le Jew
Curly Surmudgeon <CurlySu...@live.com> wrote:
> On Thu, 13 Jan 2011 19:27:29 -0600, Pepe Le Jew <Pep...@zionet.com>
> wrote:
>
> > In article <4d2c0d00$0$44064$742e...@news.sonic.net>,
> > rfis...@sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote:
> >
> >> Leroy N. Soetoro <leroys...@usurper.org> wrote:
> >> >http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/georgepacker/2011/01/judging-
> from-h
> >> >is-internet-postings.html
> >> >
> >> >Judging from his Internet postings, Jared Lee Loughner is a delusional
> >> >young man whose inner political landscape is a swamp of dystopian
> >> >novels, left- and right-wing tracts, conspiracy theories, and contempt
> >> >for his fellow human beings. He refers to the gold and silver
> >> >standard; that doesn't make Ron Paul responsible for the shootings. He
> >> >is fond of ěAnimal Farmî; George Orwell didn't guide the hand that
> >> >pulled the automatic pistol's trigger. Marx and Hitler produced a lot
> >> >of corpses, but not the ones in Tucson.
> >>
> >> If you put targets on your enemies then don't pretend righteous
> >> innocence when somebody pulls the trigger.
> >
> > The target/bullseye graphics related to the victim predated Sarah
> > Palin's, they're not apologizing.
>
> Asserts evidence not in record.
http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/palin-target-graphic-in-perspective/
Curly Surmudgeon
wrote:
> In article <igt0ll$qr4$1...@news.eternal-september.org>,
> Curly Surmudgeon <CurlySu...@live.com> wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 13 Jan 2011 19:27:29 -0600, Pepe Le Jew <Pep...@zionet.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> > In article <4d2c0d00$0$44064$742e...@news.sonic.net>,
>> > rfis...@sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote:
>> >
>> >> Leroy N. Soetoro <leroys...@usurper.org> wrote:
>> >> >http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/georgepacker/2011/01/judging-
>> from-h
>> >> >is-internet-postings.html
>> >> >
>> >> >Judging from his Internet postings, Jared Lee Loughner is a
>> >> >delusional young man whose inner political landscape is a swamp of
>> >> >dystopian novels, left- and right-wing tracts, conspiracy theories,
>> >> >and contempt for his fellow human beings. He refers to the gold and
>> >> >silver standard; that doesn't make Ron Paul responsible for the
>> >> >shootings. He is fond of ìAnimal Farmî; George Orwell didn't guide
>> >> >the hand that pulled the automatic pistol's trigger. Marx and
>> >> >Hitler produced a lot of corpses, but not the ones in Tucson.
>> >>
>> >> If you put targets on your enemies then don't pretend righteous
>> >> innocence when somebody pulls the trigger.
>> >
>> > The target/bullseye graphics related to the victim predated Sarah
>> > Palin's, they're not apologizing.
>>
>> Asserts evidence not in record.
>
> http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/palin-target-graphic-in-perspective/
Even if a left-winger had advocated violence it does not balance the
organized pattern of violence advocated by the Radial Right. You do not
get to threaten your opponent with violence by quoting an atrocity by
their group. You do not get to organize, plan and carry out an advocacy
of violence just because someone else did.
Why do I get the sneaking suspicion this is another nym-shift of our
resident cockroach?
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Pepe Le Jew
Curly Surmudgeon <CurlySu...@live.com> wrote:
Well, no-one on the right wing, least of all those accused, advocated
violence, organized violence or carried out violence.
So, what exactly is your complaint?
> Why do I get the sneaking suspicion this is another nym-shift of our
> resident cockroach?
Not knowing to whom you are referring, I couldn't offer any reasons for
your suspicion, but from your tone it appears you need a targeted
strategy should your argument on the topic deteriorate further.
Curly Surmudgeon
wrote:
> Well, no-one on the right wing, least of all those accused, advocated
> violence, organized violence or carried out violence.
You are lying. Transparently.
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Curly Surmudgeon
> On Sat, 15 Jan 2011 23:04:41 +0000 (UTC), Curly Surmudgeon
> Would the fact that he has''jew" in this Nym what have you the clue?
No, it's his news server and pattern of stealth used by Basil Karlo,
Libby Loo, Pig Brick, etc.
JohnJohnsn
>
> Leroy N. Soetoro <leroysoet...@usurper.org> wrote:
>
>> <http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/georgepacker/2011/01/judging-from-his-internet-postings.html>
>>
>> Judging from his Internet postings, Jared Lee Loughner is a delusional
>> young man whose inner political landscape is a swamp of dystopian
>> novels, left- and right-wing tracts, conspiracy theories, and contempt
>> for his fellow human beings. He refers to the gold and silver standard;
>> that doesn't make Ron Paul responsible for the shootings. He is fond of
>> Animal Farm ; George Orwell didn't guide the hand that pulled the
>> automatic pistol's trigger. Marx and Hitler produced a lot of corpses,
>> but not the ones in Tucson.
>
> If you put targets on your enemies then don't pretend righteous
> innocence when somebody pulls the trigger.
You mean like the Democrat Leadership Committee "targeted"
Republicans, RayRay?
<http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/dlc-
targeting-strategy.gif>
Boris Kapusta
<CurlySu...@live.com> wrote:
It's not me, but that doesn't stop the Argentine shithole cucaracha
from having his delusions.
Pepe Le Jew
Curly Surmudgeon <CurlySu...@live.com> wrote:
> On Sat, 15 Jan 2011 17:15:51 -0600, Pepe Le Jew <Pep...@zionet.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Well, no-one on the right wing, least of all those accused, advocated
> > violence, organized violence or carried out violence.
>
> You are lying. Transparently.
Perhaps you hear voices?
Pepe Le Jew
Boris Kapusta <tha...@nothanks.notreal> wrote:
> On Sun, 16 Jan 2011 06:52:30 +0000 (UTC), Curly Surmudgeon
> <CurlySu...@live.com> wrote:
>
> >On Sun, 16 Jan 2011 00:05:41 -0500, Zombywoof <fish...@live.com> wrote:
> >
> >> On Sat, 15 Jan 2011 23:04:41 +0000 (UTC), Curly Surmudgeon
> >> <CurlySu...@live.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>>On Sat, 15 Jan 2011 15:22:07 -0600, Pepe Le Jew <Pep...@zionet.com>
> >>>wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> In article <igt0ll$qr4$1...@news.eternal-september.org>,
> >>>> Curly Surmudgeon <CurlySu...@live.com> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> On Thu, 13 Jan 2011 19:27:29 -0600, Pepe Le Jew <Pep...@zionet.com>
> >>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> > In article <4d2c0d00$0$44064$742e...@news.sonic.net>,
> >>>>> > rfis...@sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote:
> >>>>> >
> >>>>> >> Leroy N. Soetoro <leroys...@usurper.org> wrote:
> >>>>> >> >http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/georgepacker/2011/01/
> >judging-
> >>>>> from-h
> >>>>> >> >is-internet-postings.html
> >>>>> >> >
> >>>>> >> >Judging from his Internet postings, Jared Lee Loughner is a
> >>>>> >> >delusional young man whose inner political landscape is a swamp
> >>>>> >> >of dystopian novels, left- and right-wing tracts, conspiracy
> >>>>> >> >theories, and contempt for his fellow human beings. He refers to
> >>>>> >> >the gold and silver standard; that doesn't make Ron Paul
> >>>>> >> >responsible for the shootings. He is fond of ěAnimal Farmî;
> >>>>> >> >George Orwell didn't guide the hand that pulled the automatic
> >>>>> >> >pistol's trigger. Marx and Hitler produced a lot of corpses, but
> >>>>> >> >not the ones in Tucson.
> >>>>> >>
> >>>>> >> If you put targets on your enemies then don't pretend righteous
> >>>>> >> innocence when somebody pulls the trigger.
> >>>>> >
> >>>>> > The target/bullseye graphics related to the victim predated Sarah
> >>>>> > Palin's, they're not apologizing.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Asserts evidence not in record.
> >>>>
> >>>> http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/palin-target-graphic-in-perspective/
> >>>
> >>>Even if a left-winger had advocated violence it does not balance the
> >>>organized pattern of violence advocated by the Radial Right. You do not
> >>>get to threaten your opponent with violence by quoting an atrocity by
> >>>their group. You do not get to organize, plan and carry out an advocacy
> >>>of violence just because someone else did.
> >>>
> >>>Why do I get the sneaking suspicion this is another nym-shift of our
> >>>resident cockroach?
> >>>
> >> Would the fact that he has''jew" in this Nym what have you the clue?
> >
> >No, it's his news server and pattern of stealth used by Basil Karlo,
> >Libby Loo, Pig Brick, etc.
>
> It's not me, but that doesn't stop the Argentine shithole cucaracha
> from having his delusions.
I am me, no-one else.
The anarchist is exhibiting signs of paranoia and anger, not good things
for an anarchist to feel as we've seen recently.
Ray Fischer
Is that what you were told to believe, beckerhead?
Sucker.
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